Giants Re-Sign Freddy Sanchez
by Grant on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
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Two years. No word on the money yet. (edit: Word on the street is 2 years/$12M.)
The press release is after the jump.
The San Francisco Giants have re-signed infielder Freddy Sanchez to a two-year contract extension, club Senior Vice President and General Manager Brian Sabean announced today.Sanchez, a three-time National League All-Star (2006-07, 2009) and former NL batting champion in 2006 was acquired by San Francisco from Pittsburgh this past season on July 29 in exchange for minor league right-handed pitcher Tim Alderson. The 31-year-old combined to hit .293 (134-for-457) with seven home runs and 41 RBI in 111 games overall with the Pirates and Giants in 2009, including a .284 (29-for-102) mark with one home run and seven RBI in 25 games for San Francisco. He was selected to his second-straight NL All-Star team this past season, and for the third time in the last four campaigns.
"We are pleased to have Freddy in a Giants uniform for at least the next two years as we continue to improve our club", said Sabean. "We saw a glimpse of him this past season and will look forward to his All-Star caliber play at the top of our lineup and in the middle of our infield. He provides a steady veteran presence and professional approach."
Since becoming an everyday second baseman in 2005, Sanchez has fashioned a .989 fielding percentage over the last five seasons (2005-09), which is the highest fielding mark among all National League second basemen during that span. He has also committed the seventh-fewest amount of errors (23) and has helped turn the fourth-most double-plays (355).
The Hollywood, CA native owns a lifetime average of .299 (817-for-2,732) with 178 doubles, 38 home runs and 300 RBI in 733 major league games with Boston (2002-03), Pittsburgh (2004-09) and San Francisco (2009). He became the 11th player in Pirates franchise history and the first since Bill Madlock in 1983 to capture a batting crown when he finished five points ahead of Florida’s Miguel Cabrera (.339) with a .344 mark in 2006.
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Eh.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we can get some more mileage out of this
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs more of a limp.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Oct 30, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we need more than "...a glimpse..."
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 31, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Mole
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
300 hitter! Almost! Kinda!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Oct 30, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully 2010 will be a better season for him. He does have a little something to prove, at least to Giants fans.
by Merope on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez spains wrist picking up pen!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn those damnable wrist spains!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect as much from a dreaded Portuguese!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Oct 30, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
timkawakami
SF Chron says 2 years, $12M for FSanchez. Definitely on high side but next to Renteria/Rowand/Zito deals, it’s not an obvious Sabes fail.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh
That’s not too bad, all sabes considered.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 30, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
key word = obvious
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from 2010-2011, Sanchez will hit like .285/.325/.415
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Juan Uribe without the power!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, that would have made him like the third or fourth best hitter on this year’s team.
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/cry
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third for sure if you remove Fred Lewis for being THE PROBLEM.
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously… Fred Lewis stopped counting in May.
by zuma420 on Nov 1, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With this team, I was thinking, “SWEET!”
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$6 million everybody!
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We saw a glimpse of him this past season”
Although, if you blinked, you might not have seen him.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
by Kitspool on Oct 30, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what the contract was...
2 yr/ 126 million???
by ACgiant97 on Oct 30, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/ waits for other shoe to drop (terms).
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But what about the option year!!?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see this is unclear:
I’m not talking about the option that the Giants didn’t pick up on the last contract. I meant the option for the third year of the new deal that must exist in some fine print because proven hitting veteran gamers like Freddy Sahnchez don’t get only two years from Brian Sabean. Oh no. Certainly not.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't so bad
I was hoping for Chone Figgins, but Sanchez is a solid player.
Now to get Bay and LaRoche, and we’re in business…
by GrooveGiant on Oct 30, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout no. Bay’s gonna get $15 million per year. Not gonna happen here. If Rowand gets $14 million to play here, Bay gets $25 million.
by aBulldog on Oct 30, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now to get Bay and LaRoche, and we’re in business…
eeeeww
Thing A
by sam23 on Oct 30, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a couple of ex-Pirates did well in a Giants uniform this decade…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rennie Stennett!! Oh, wait, you said “this decade”……
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the non-sarcastic front, Rick Reuschel an Don Robinson.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another interesting tidbit from the Schulman post
“In other news, I’ve been told that Noah Lowry, who last pitched in 2007, will become a free agent today when he is removed from the 40-man roster, not surprising given his arm saga and hard feelings over his care.
Lowry’s agent, Damon Lapa, said he was informed of that by the Giants today and added in an e-mail, “Noah is completely healthy throwing three days a week on his normal offseason program without any restrictions.”
In theory, the Giants could re-sign him."
Noah could come back. Whoa.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 30, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Noah will not be coming back. Schulman was just saying there is nothing against the rules in him re-signing.
Also, LOL LOWRY’S AGENT TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HE WILL EVER PITCH AGAIN
Also, :-(
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said "could"
But I had an lol at the agent too.
COMPLETELY HEALTHY
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
by Kitspool on Oct 30, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that from the last scene in Happy Gilmore?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my exact thought.
Proud father of Dallas Mcpherson....anyone know a good Chiropractor?
by The Thrill on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Noah is pitching in the majors again, regardless if it’s with the Giants.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t we focus on hitters, and not pitchers at this point?
by aBulldog on Oct 30, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he's waaay down there.
This rope be not long.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we've got money locked in to 2B, SS(hopefully Uribe), CF
so the spots we can upgrade this offseason are one(or both, although I believe in NEAL!) of the corner outfield spots and one of the corner infield spots(with Pablo taking the other). Hopefully we don’t do any stupid trades to try to address these spots.
by superk1ng on Oct 30, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would not count on Uribe a lock. He will have a lot more interest than last winter. A lot will depend on what he wants which I’ve not seen anything about.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless
it’s probably going to be Uribe or Suckeria.
by superk1ng on Oct 30, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably?
Unless Renteria gets run over by a hot air balloon, he’s going to be in there.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should we call Balloon Boy?
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we have the tranq gun full of Ritalin ready
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a man can dream
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of Neal, anyone hear Bork on KNBR this morning chatting him up? I thought i was tripping. As far as I knew, Bork does not even recognize that we have a farm system.
by capn on Oct 30, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He thinks that Neal is a milkcow.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also thought his name was Neal Thomas.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 30, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Bochy is aware of the farm system, because at one point last year he said they were thinking of fast-tracking Angel Villalona to the majors.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Oct 30, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify: by “last year,” I actually mean this year. You know, the season that just ended.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting hypothetical, for obvious reasons.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
by cheno on Oct 31, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit where’d we put the time machine?
by Merope on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANOTHER SHITTY SABEAN SIGNING
When is enough going to be enough? Throwing millions at declining veterans is a strategy that is not working.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabes got an extension of 2 yrs for doing this very thing, why would he change his strategy now?
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
88 wins!
Don’t mess with success!
(And please don’t fall into that right there.)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 31, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one’s not that bad..
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
This could turn into another Renteria signing or Rowand signing or Alou signing or…………………….
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 30, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad you added the "....." or that could have ended up being a VERY long post =P
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Moises Alou was good
missed about 100 games in two years, but no way he belongs on a list of bad signings. He played very well when he was on the field.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 30, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWTC
there are plenty of other MUCH worse signings to use in that sentence.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of the same type of signing.
Great abilities but can’t stay healthy. I think that was the point, although I’m puzzled by Ed’s inclusion.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Because Edgar Rentarria doesn’t have great abilities even when he is healthy?
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 1, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could he throw out Molina?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Nov 1, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw him? With or without the bone spurs, I doubt Edgar could even lift Molina.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 1, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If 2/$12M is accurate, that’s much better than I had hoped for here. It’s a clear upgrade from “just exercising the option”, and it’s miles better than the 3/$25M I was fearing.
Now we just need to cross our fingers that the right answer wasn’t “just pay the buyout and walk away”:
by pantalones on Oct 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol 3/$25M
How many fanbases believe their GM would be stupid enough to decline an option specifically to pay more?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't misunderestimate Sabes
he’d find a way
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strategery!
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
But I never really believed for a second that Sabean would trade Alderson for Sanchez and then just decline his option and let him walk. (Of course, he did let Ponson and Hillebrand walk, so he does have at least some concept of sunk costs, but those were two special “I CAN’T LOOK AT THAT GUY ANYMORE!” cases.) If Sanchez wanted to take a one year deal and his agent didn’t budge, I’m almost positive that he would be playing under the 1/$8.1M deal for us this season. So, I didn’t expect a multi-year deal to come at any sort of discount.
I think Sabean did OK here… until it comes out that the 3/$25M offer was pulled when it was discovered that he’s having surgery and will be out until August at the earliest.
by pantalones on Oct 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could have been worse. Only 2 years is nice to hear. And knowing that he’ll be making less than the 8 mill option for this year is good too. Seeing as they were deadset on bringing him back, 2 years for 12 isn’t too bad.
Wish they would attempt to get Uggla though.
by Hobbes2d on Oct 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they still can since both play 2b and 3b
by wilriv21 on Oct 30, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
disappointed that we didn’t do better, relieved that we didn’t do worse.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
this pretty much sums it up
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling we’ll be saying it a lot this offseason
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that being the 2010 San Francisco Giants slogan:
“We didn’t do better, but we didn’t do worse! YOUR 2010 SF Giants!”
by deuce deuce on Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad but true =(
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Oct 30, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CLOSE TO BEING NEAR THE VICNITY OF THIS THING
by sfoakbay on Oct 30, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and season...
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Oct 30, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn’t a more true statement than this.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 30, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what my girlfriend’s parents say!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't true
I have no girlfriend.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if it’s been longer than three months, anyway.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was funnier in my mind.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s also what your girlfriend says after sex
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1. Still hated the trade, although I also am not as gloomy about Sanchez as many…AT&T is tailor made for gap line drive hitters. While I don’t think he’s gonna keep up a BABIP 50 bps over his .310 there, because of his hitting style I do think he’s going to make up for not walking enough with plenty of slap hits.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Oct 30, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the park helps a guy like Sanchez whose value comes from hitting the baseball. Like you said, you’ve got the big OF. In addition, the small foul area makes him a tougher out.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oldjacket is wise
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/nods
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’ve had too much candy corn but I’m more relieved than disappointed. I will concede 2B if it means one less distraction for the FO to fix the other six holes in our lineup.
Then again, that was before I read this:
The Giants are expected to make a run for Red Sox outfielder Jason Bay, but otherwise, Sabean said he sees a “later-development market. We don’t have a relative sense of urgency like last year, which will play in our favor.”
First of all, Jason Bay…not Matt Holliday. Second, WTF – no urgency about improving one of the consistently worst offenses in baseball? And finally, why would Sabes sitting on his hands until the last minute work in our favor? Because all the good FAs (and there aren’t many of them this year) will already have been taken? Or was that code for “We’re going to wait until people are desperate so we can pull off a blockbuster trade?”
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could it be a new approach in light of the way Sabean got burned last year by jumping into the free agent market and signing Renteria way too soon?
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yes, going after Bay is insane. So it’s probably not a good idea to extrapolate the best of intentions out of Sabean statements.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean didn’t say they’re going after Bay, the writer said they’re “expected” to. And I agree that Sabean should take his time this time around. He was smart to get Affeldt done right away last year, but jumped the gun on Renteria and Howry. Waiting for bargains at the end of the off season is the right way to go based on last year.
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by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
If Sabes actually WANTS Bay, I’d expect it to happen sooner rather than later. Bay is one of the very few decent players in the FA class, I don’t think people will be waiting him out.
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by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
why would anyone want Bay over Holliday? Is it because he might be cheaper?
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be my assumption, yes
I would be surprised if Holliday makes less than Bay. Very surprised.
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by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be because Holliday is a better player.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would MUCH rather have Holliday unless the salary difference is just ridiculous, like 30 mil or something.
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, someone posted WAR for Holliday and Bay and Holliday’s WAR last year was better than Bay’s total over the past three years. Yes, Coors Field and all that, but Bay is a butcher in the field. I would be willing to give Holliday quite a bit of money.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very this
If going top shelf free agent there is Holiday, Figgens, if your a SS a way Scutro and a lot of over flow from the bottom shelves.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree. I don’t want any part of Bay – I’d rather sign Mike Cameron to a cheap 1-2 year deal. If they’re going to go $10-15+ on an OF, make it Holliday.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron would be very intriguing as a #5 hitter.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun Fact
WAR the last three years
Cameron: 4.3. 4.0, 2.2
Bay: 3.4, 2.9, 0.1
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you confused me by going backwards there. I was going to say, no way was Bay a 0.1 WAR player this year.
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, wow, Bay was pretty fucking good in 2005.
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neat!
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
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by rotorueter on Oct 31, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Holliday is the agent. Boras has already stated that he’s looking for Texieira type money, and if that’s the case, Holliday won’t be signing till the very last minute before spring training. I would hate to see the Giants’ chase him the entire off season while other players who could help the team go elsewhere, and then they don’t land Holliday either.
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by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But with our current crop of outfielders there really are not any other clear multiple skill upgrades in the OF not named Holliday.
After Holliday there is 2-3 guys that people are trying to talk themselves into. I think Cameron is the most intriguing and has the strongest case of those guys but really waiting on that crop up for a low contract is the smart move.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see a little more late off-season poaching from Sabean and crew. All things equal. I want bargains!
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by kennv on Oct 31, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how you define bargain – is it relative to value or just referring to absolute cost? This FA market is not deep and will move quickly. I doubt the FAs worth having will be around in January. But the average, utility and/or over-the-hill guys that can be had for cheap…sure, they’ll be available. But those players won’t represent the massive upgrade this offense needs.
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by esseffgeez on Oct 31, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Last off-season had holes that needed filling far more urgently. Sabean was totally over the barrell needing a SS and probably panicked when he signed Renteria. The bullpen was also a cluster-muck beyond Wilson and Romo, so he desperately needed to sign guys like Affeldt and Howry.
While there are holes to be filled, they can theoretically be filled internally if the right deal doesn’t come along. (Garko, Bowker, Lewis, etc.)
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a fair point. The Giants are probably, position-by-position, in better shape now than a year ago. Certainly the bullpen is. But I still think the anemic hitting calls for more decisive action than “ok, we’ll see how the market shapes up”.
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by esseffgeez on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if by “better shape” you mean that mediocre-at-best replacements are already in-house, then yes.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much it. Yeah, if I were Sabes, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to fix my lineup, either…
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by esseffgeez on Oct 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just another example of Sabes’ inability to properly analyze offense in baseball.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a reason I follow you around.
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by scout6 on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hopefully Sanchez doesn’t completely fall off a cliff the next 2 seasons
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by baetown415 on Oct 31, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the part where we package Sanchez off to Florida for Uggla?
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Sounds like a plan
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by AXmrdrir on Oct 30, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Marlins do that?
They could pay Uggla $6M and……voila…..better signing.
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by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was joking...
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Oct 31, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fellz in it
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by SoFa King Mike on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read this as feliz in it
we are all pedro feliz, though, so it still makes sesne
by sfoakbay on Oct 31, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 million/ year
reeks of the dave roberts contract. I know it’s not as long, but I bet you anything Sanchez isn’t good enough to make it through the second year. Not sure why the fuck they keep doing this over and over and expecting different results.
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by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yeah
I know Roberts wasn’t even as good as Sanchez at any point in his career, but I still get the same feeling- over-the-hill player who’s getting more money than he’s worth and who will miss wayyyy too many games.
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by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're reaching
Comparing this to the Roberts deal? C’mon now:
- Roberts was a platoon LF who they thought could play CF and lead-off full-time. Sanchez is an established full-time 2B with “all-star credentials” and a solid defender.
- Sanchez is four years younger than Roberts was
- The contract is shorter
If you’re going to call Sanchez “over the hill” at 31, I guess you’re referring to his knee issue. Might as well have thrown Bonds in the dumpster the first time his knee gave him problems.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing players to Bonds isn’t good. Bonds is an outlier.
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by rotorueter on Oct 31, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You spelled “outfielder” wrong.
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-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 1, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL bonds
so you say I’m reaching with the Roberts comparison….
Anyways, Sanchez’ “all star” credentials are “being the best guy on a terrible team when the MLB has a rule that says every team must have 1 guy at the game”.
I know it’s not a 1/1 corrolary, and I didn’t mean to say I think it’s the same EXACT situation, but it still gives me pause. The guy can’t stay healthy, is on the wrong side of 30, and isn’t all that great when he IS healthy.
6 mil isn’t terrible, but it just feels like you should be able to get him for like 4 or 5. 6 seems like the absolute most he could possibly expect to get, and just one time I’d like our front office to sign a guy for LESS than the absolute max they could possibly spend on him.
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put “all star credentials” in quotes for a reason and I brought Bonds into the discussion to get under your skin and make the point that a player isn’t done just because he has a knee ’scoped.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's true
but the dude couldn’t stay on the field last year, and he’s not getting younger. Obviously I hope he does well and will root for him, and TBH I think he is one of the best options available, just wishing for once we could get a bargain on somebody. Maybe 6 mil will be a bargain, I just don’t feel like it is at this point.
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
He was a legit all-star in 2006. He was .344 / .378 / .473 and a plus defender
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rowand was good in 2007, too
but that’s not 2010…
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree.
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a legit all-star last year as well, he was the second best 2B in the NL (By WAR) before the all-star break.
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by GiantFan on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me know when Bond had a 292 wOBA in a full season will you?
I think the Roberts comparison is fair in there were health question about how much he could play, and would be playing in what is traditionally premium defensive position.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they hate us.
And they are afraid the K.C Front office will get a monopoly on all the Stupid.
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by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair, Sanchez is only 31. A two year deal to a 31 year old player by Sabean is surprisingly conservative. Sabean’s served up multi year deals to players old enough to be Sanchez’ dad.
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by rxmeister on Oct 30, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "he could have done worse" aurguemnt as some truth in it.
He also could have easily done a crap load better. By next spring there might be 2 second baseman the sign for more ( Uggla & Figgens) and a they bring more than 1 improvement to a 2010 squad. There are, and will be, a lot of available 2nd basemen this winter. If paying top dollar it is not too much to expect the incoming player be drastically better in 2 or more areas of the game; Unless your Sabean that is.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean has pretty much built his career on “he could have done worse” signings.
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uggla really isn't THAT much better than sanchez
of course, he is a better hitter, but a lot of that value gets taken away considering his defense. figgins would be a good addition, although he would be overpaid and for a longer amount of years than sanchez
by sfoakbay on Oct 31, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by scout6 on Oct 30, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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no memo yet
he’s out getting a taco.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know Bob Griese was a McCoven.
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by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do 2B even break down early relative to other positions?
by kingofthacove on Oct 30, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought not. I’d like to see supporting evidence for this claim.
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by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, same thing.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs more moles
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Yeah, yeah, I know it was already posted
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s going to work out to about $2M per HR.
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by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what’s the over/under on how many games Sanchez plays over the course of this contract?
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by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
75 75 75
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I would take 757,575 games.
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by cheno on Oct 30, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So number of years he plays over 900 innings and posts above a 325 wOBA during the contract?
I say 1.
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by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Could have been worse..
remember, Brian Sabean is the Giants GM. I am going to go out on a limb and say Sanchez will be solid but not spectacular for the life of the contract.
1100 AB / .292 / .355 / 405 with non-Velez defense.
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A .355 OBP?
He’s done that once in his career.
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That means he’s due to do it again!
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feel free to flame. He is in the Giants lineup so I’m expecting walks.
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
I don’t get it…
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Friday and I’m tired. Synapses not firing.
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
opb was supposed to be .335
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get it
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by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants’ have solved all of their hitting problems, because they fired their hitting coach. Even Bengie Molina will walk 120 times next year because the Giants’ have finally figured out the cause of all their offensive evils.
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by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now i get it!
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.292 / .335 / .405 (with non-Velezian defense even) doesn’t quite make it to what I would call “Solid”. I’m looking at Sanchez’ 2005 stats (which are similar to the numbers you predict here), and the word that comes to my mind is “non-descript”.
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by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't entirely disagree
but here are the Top 20 ranked MLB 2B for 2009. (AB/BA/OPB/SLG) Those numbers would put him about the middle of this pack.
PLAYER TEAM AB BA OBP SLG
1 Robinson Cano NYY 637 .320 .352 .520
2 Felipe Lopez MIL/ARI 604 .310 .383 .427
3 Martin Prado ATL 450 .307 .358 .464
4 Skip Schumaker STL 532 .303 .364 .393
5 Luis Castillo NYM 486 .302 .387 .346
6 Alberto Callaspo KAN 576 .300 .356 .457
7 Ben Zobrist TAM 501 .297 .405 .543
8 Dustin Pedroia BOS 626 .296 .371 .447
9 Aaron Hill TOR 682 .286 .330 .499
10 Placido Polanco DET 618 .285 .331 .396
11 Brian Roberts BAL 632 .283 .356 .451
12 Orlando Hudson LAD 551 .283 .357 .417
13 Chase Utley PHI 571 .282 .397 .508
14 Brandon Phillips CIN 584 .276 .329 .447
15 Jose Lopez SEA 613 .272 .303 .463
16 David Eckstein SDG 503 .260 .323 .334
17 Ian Kinsler TEX 566 .253 .327 .488
18 Kazuo Matsui HOU 476 .250 .302 .357
19 Clint Barmes COL 550 .245 .294 .440
20 Dan Uggla FLA 564 .243 .354 .459
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alberto Callapso is good? When did that happen?
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranked by batting average? Really?
It took me a second to figure out how 285/331/396 was ranked above 283/356/417 and 282/397/508.
by Tamdrik on Oct 30, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how Zobrist was in 7th considering he probably had one of the best years of all players in 2009
by quincy0191 on Oct 30, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fantasy team agreed this year!
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at Chase Utley, 13th ranked 2nd sacker
by DrStankus on Oct 30, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranked By OPS
Second Basemen ………. OBP …. SLG ….OPS
1 Ben Zobrist TAM ……….. .405…. .543….. .948
2 Chase Utley PHI … ……. .397… .508….. .905
3 Robinson Cano NYY ….. .352… .520 …. .872
4 Aaron Hill TOR …………. .330…. .499 …. .829
5 Martin Prado ATL ……….. .358…. .464 …. .822
6 Dustin Pedroia BOS …… .371…. .447 …. .818
7 Ian Kinsler TEX ………….. .327…. .488 ….. .815
8 Alberto Callaspo KAN ….. .356 … .457…… .813
9 Dan Uggla FLA……………. .354…. .459…. .813
10 Felipe Lopez MIL/ARI…… .383 … .427….. .810
11 Brian Roberts BAL ……… .356….. .451…. .807
12 Brandon Phillips CIN…… .329…. .447….. .776
13 Orlando Hudson LAD…… .357….. .417…. .774
14 Jose Lopez SEA…………. .303….. .463…. .766
15 Skip Schumaker STL…… .364….. .393…. .757
16 Freddy Sanchez SFG …… .326…. .416…. .742
17 Clint Barmes COL……….. .294…. .440…. .734
18 Luis Castillo NYM………… .387…. .346… .733
19 Placido Polanco DET……. .331….. .396… .727
20 Kazuo Matsui HOU……….. .302……357… .659
21 David Eckstein SDG……… .323….. .334… .657
I think I understand your point, and I think some would agree, that by describing Sanchez as “solid”, you’re saying that he won’t be a disaster at second base. He’ll maybe be pretty OK. You’re saying Sanchez isn’t Jose Castillo or Emmanuel Burriss or Brad Wellman. He’s pretty much a known quantity.
My problem with Sanchez is the same problem I have with Rowand, and Ishigarko, and Winn, and Molina and Renteria. They’re all safe choices. With guys like these, you’re mostly going to get someone who looks like a ballplayer, acts like a ballplayer, does some ballplayery stuff, and that’s about it. With Sanchez, you’re going to get vanilla, just like the Giants unis.
If the Giants had one or two more legitimate All-Stars in their lineup, to go with Pablo, then I think Sanchez would be an acceptable addition. If Sanchez were food, he’d be green beans. In fact, the whole lineup would pretty much be green beans, with the exception of Pablo, who’d be… what? Steak? Pie? Anyway, I’m sick of green beans. I want more steak! We need more steak! And pie. Wait—maybe the pitchers are the pie.
The problem is, Sabean thinks a lineup full of bland nothings like Sanchez, from 1-8, equals a good lineup. He thinks that, once guys like Rowand, Sanchez and Renteria throw on the Giants uni, they will magically transform from green beans into steak. And of course, he’s wrong, as the 2009 offense so clearly underscored.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
you're right
they turn into brussel sprouts instead
by sfoakbay on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Tobias.
Would I rather a have a Chase Utley type second baseman ? Hell yes !
Sanchez is a “safe” pick, and would not have been my first choice, but the term and dollars of the contract are reasonable imho.
Pablo is pie, steak pie.
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the chart, tobias!
You’re absolutely right. Adding Freddie Sanchez to the 2003 Giants might have been a good move. It’s just not enough for this team.
Too many green beans. I couldn’t have said it any better!
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Sanchez a plus defender? Doesn’t that move him up the scale a little if you’re ranking 2Bs?
I want another steak too, covered in Holliday sauce. But if you want the team to get another big bat, but I don’t think getting Sanchez and another bat are mutually exclusive.
Put it this way, if the giants got Holliday, you’d be glad to have Sanchez hitting #2.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s above average right now, but will he stay that way after the knee problems?
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by Cookyman on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that committing the money to Sanchez lessens the chances that we will have the resources to sign Holliday.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 31, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Item #1: Sabean needed to sign a 2B. There were no good in-house options under contract. Even Uribe will probably get close to $5mil. What decent 2B would be significantly cheaper than Sanchez?
Item #2: $6mil is not a lot money in the big scheme. If Sabean wants to sign Bay (as sources indicate he does), he’ll have enough money to sign Holliday as they will get basically the same amount of money.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bargains are out there
Zobrist was quite a find for the Rays. Best bargains seem to come from developing your own talent (Kinsler, Hill, Pedroia, Prado, Cano)
Second Basemen …….…. OBP …. SLG ….OPS …. SAL
2 Chase Utley PHI … ……. .397… .508….. .905 … 11.29
11 Brian Roberts BAL ……..356…. .451…. .807 … 8.00
18 Luis Castillo NYM…..… .387…. .346.… .733 … 6.25
3 Robinson Cano NYY ….. .352… .520 …. .872 … 6.00
20 Kazuo Matsui HOU..….. .302……357… .659 … 5.50
9 Dan Uggla FLA…………. .354…. .459…. .813 … 5.35
12 Brandon Phillips CIN… .329…. .447….. .776 … 5.19
19 Placido Polanco DET…. .331…. .396… .727 … 4.60
16 Freddy Sanchez SFG … .326…. .416…. .742 … 4.15
10 Felipe Lopez MIL/ARI… .383 .… .427….. .810 … 3.50
13 Orlando Hudson LAD… .357….. .417…. .774 … 3.36
7 Ian Kinsler TEX …..…….. .327…. .488 ….. .815 … 3.20
4 Aaron Hill TOR …………. .330…. .499 …. .829 … 2.59
14 Jose Lopez SEA………. .303….. .463…. .766 … 2.25
6 Dustin Pedroia BOS …… .371…. .447 …. .818 … 1.75
17 Clint Barmes COL…….. .294…. .440….. .734 … 1.63
21 David Eckstein SDG..… .323….. .334.… .657 … 0.85
15 Skip Schumaker STL… .364….. .393…. .757 … 0.43
1 Ben Zobrist TAM ….…….. .405…. .543….. .948 … 0.42
5 Martin Prado ATL ……….. .358…. .464 …. .822 … 0.42
8 Alberto Callaspo KAN ….. .356 … .457….. .813 … 0.42
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 1, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just gotta say
compare this list to the one sorted by BA and you instantly see why BA is fucking retarded
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OUTSTANDING!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In seasons he has had 100 or more P.A.’s he has not posted a OBP more than 45 points higher than his BA. I am going to need the power of fine grain alcohol to buy into that.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine Grain Alcohol?
How about some cocaine?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me want to bring the Trashman out of retirement.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a whiff on me, take a whiff on me
Drink the corn liquor, let the cocaine be
Hey, hey, honey take a whiff on me
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone loves pot brownies, but when I bring the crystal meth cupcakes, I get treated like a crazy person.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
the peyote poptarts were a good idea, but you forgot the barf bags.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 1, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on incentives?
Would be great to have something built in…
by capn on Oct 30, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So your telling me that isn’t the trash makeing that smell?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 30, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oo-oo that smell
the smell of a free agent signing
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels has some early ratings done, and he has Kila Ka’aihue as:
14) Kila Ka’aihue, 1B, Grade C+: Couldn’t repeat 2008 monster season, but high walk rate and moderate power are still there. I don’t understand why he wasn’t promoted in September. Born DH.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a problem for the Royals, since they already have Billy Butler. I’d really love to see Sabes try to pry Kila away from the Royals. His 1B defense can’t be terrible and even the Royals’ fans think he could use a change of scenery.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bless you GAA!
Something shiny and less destructive for me to focus on. That kid seriously needs to be freed.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamerness!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
grumble
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
We didn’t lose a draft pick!
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo!!
Tony Torcato v. 2.0 here we come!!!
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by bondslegend on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was possible for the Giants to lose a draft pick to themselves, I think they would have figured out how to do it.
by deuce deuce on Oct 30, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean: Well, we did lose a draft pick, but because it was ours we got to keep it. And, of course, we gained a draft pick in the deal. So now we have two picks! Also, VROOOOOOM!!!!
by goGSW24 on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the sound of inevitability and indifference.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That kinda gets me wondering...
If the sound of inevitability and indifference were a band, which band would it be?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say Foreigner
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, I will say it
Foreigner
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
“Rush” is the correct answer.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 31, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL THIS MACHINERY MAKING MODERN MUSIC CAN STILL BE OPEN HEARTED
by SnowLeopard on Oct 30, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
you are trying to mock Rush, but you see… people who like Rush (like me) like this lyric.
not as good as:
FLYING OUT OF THE SHOCKWAVE, ON THAT AUGUST DAY
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 30, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I was mocking, and yes I do think Rush are kinda silly. But, also, I actually do think that that particular song is pretty well done and rocking, and I do appreciate where NP was coming from with that sentiment
by SnowLeopard on Oct 30, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s the only Rush song that I like
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying Pavement is a bad band, but they’ve got the indifference thing down cold.
by Dan from NM on Oct 30, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hootie and the Blowfish.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have rather taken the option.
We have a player with something to prove because he’s been injured the last two seasons and we decide to give him a longer deal for more total money? It just doesn’t make sense to me. I’d much rather pay the extra 2M for 2010 to forgo the risk of the extra year.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would’ve rather they paid him the $0.5M buyout and let him walk and use the $11.5M and get a real ballplayer.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. I think the worst option was resigning to a longer contract.
So that’s what Sabean went out and did before the season even ended!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we can all pretend this wasn’t just a rental, right? Because basically that’s what the Sanchez for Alderson deal was, a rental. Something Sabes said he wouldn’t do. And it was a salary dump on the part of the Pirates, and they got a highly rated prospect. Nice. Now we quickly resign Sanchez and pretend.
Signing Sanchez was lower priority than getting a bat in the middle of the order. If this deal somehow precludes a deal for that bat then it’s a crap deal. “Oh, we just didn’t have the money to sign_____.” Signing the Tuckers, Alfonzos, Sanchez’ of the world has gotten the Giants nowhere. Incremental upgrades will get this team nowhere. We know how much better the Giant were in the second half with those two deals, right?
by RUSirius on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
This signing make the Alderson deal a rental, and a very, very bad one at that. Good god, Sabean’s major moves fail at an astronomical rate. He seems to be good at signings washouts on the cheap, though. Neukom should remove Sabean’s authority to make deals on players getting paid more and $2M.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 30, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand, wouldn’t not re-signing Sanchez make it more of a rental?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 30, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I thought
I figured Brain pretty much had to try to land Sanchez if he was not a total disaster just to avoid the bad PR and/or uncomfortable questions from Duke Bowtie…
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by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just it, he HAD to sign Sanchez so that it doesn’t look like a rental – something he said he wouldn’t do. Sabes is just covering his a$$, all the while losing a good prospect, blowing a hole in the Giants minor league pitching depth AND making it tougher to sign a player they REALLY need. It’s a lose, lose, lose situation!
by RUSirius on Oct 30, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giants Way!!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.He probably could have signed Sanchez as a FA regardless of the trade.
He could only have exercised the option if he made the trade.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 30, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won’t we lose a first rounder if we signed him as a FA?
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Oct 30, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and with that first rounder, we could have chosen someone like…..TIM FUCKING ALDERSON
/still sorta pissed about that deal
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he a Type B after the injury time loss?
If he isn’t, a proven prospect is still worth more than a draft pick (we’re 8th from the end).
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 31, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proven prospect= Alderson
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
>:( GRRRRR
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/12 is an awesome deal
Sanchez is a really underrated player, especially here.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When he's healthy.
Which he hasn’t been the last two seasons.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 30, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was worth it in 2009, almost the whole cost of 2 years
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That doesn’t change his actual value though.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was worth it in 2009 by Pre-2009 FA valuations
I don’t think Fangraphs FA dollars have been adjusted for a post-recession FA market.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 30, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to get older to get healthier
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 30, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is a really underrated player
I was looking up his info on Fangraphs, trying to find a reason to get excited about him. What I found:
- He does look like a pretty good defender. His UZR has dipped a bit over the last couple of years (14.2, 6.3, 9.2 in his first three full years, -1.8 an 6.7 the last two years), but still pretty good.
- In his five seasons, he’s had a negative offensive value in three of his five full seasons, including the last two seasons. Most of his value as a hitter was in 2006, when his value was 19.0. Aside from that, his value as a hitter adds up to -21.9.
- He doesn’t have a lot of power and he’s average at best in OBP. His career OBP is .344, but that seems inflated by that 2006 season, which looks flukishly out of line with his career numbers. In 2006, he had a .378 OBP. His next best total, in 2007, was 35 points lower – .343 in 2007. Since then, it’s been .298 and .326.
Maybe he’s a pretty solid player on balance, he’s better than Burriss or Frandsen would be, etc. He plays good defense. But defense wasn’t exactly a problem for the Giants – OBP and power were. It’s kind of hard to get at all excited over a player who doesn’t address the glaring, glaring holes we have. Well, I guess you could say second base was a gigantic, glaring hole, and you’d be right, but I’m talking in terms of STATS. He just comes across to me as a classic Brian Sabean player – high batting average, good defense, can’t draw a walk, lousy power. We’ve seen that a million times before and I’m really sick of it.
It doesn’t help that he was acquired in a trade that a lot of us hated, either. Or that he was hurt when we acquired him and after we acquired him, and barely played, and pretty much sucked when he did play for us. His .274 wOBA with us was a very small sample size and doesn’t actually mean anything, but when you’re already inclined to be meh about a player, well, it does nothing to change your mind.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also – and I have no actual evidence to back this up, it’s just a feeling – I’m afraid that he’s starting to break down and will end up giving us all the DL time of Moises Alou with none of the production.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All true
He is basically a league average bat that can play an above average 2B. That’s a pretty good player. There isn’t a 2B available that is much better, and almost certainly not at this price.
Our offense is still short a few above average hitters but we likely wouldn’t have been able to fill 2B with one of those hitters.
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really like the player he’s been. But a lot of his value is tied up with his defense, and that makes the knee injury worrisome.
There were some alternatives on the market, but none of them wart-free. I can’t get excited about it, but it isn’t a mistake either.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at his career values this seems like a good deal
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by TexasRanger on Oct 30, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some SFGate/SFGiants reactions
i would have preferred that money be used on a player that produces more rbi’s and bats in the middle of the order
uuhhhhh…I guess. I just hope this douc h ebag can stay healthy. 5 million per year would have been decent.
Thats one positive step. I guess Sabean feels the need to earn his living while Beane, as part owner, is hoisting his wine glass at the C.C. club…….plenty of time, says Beane..
Huh?
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am so confused. Stupid SFGate.
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by cornball on Oct 30, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The country club club?
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 30, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame
Will this be the worst this offseason? It would make Sabeans fourth year in a row with that mark of ineptitude. The World Series isn’t even over. Free agency hasn’t begun. We have already decided that Sanchez is better than anything that may be out there. There was no reason to even do this yet. Poor poor move. Par for the course. Dye next?
by positiveuphemism on Oct 30, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a sneaking suspicion that this move was (partly) a way of showing the fans that they didn’t give away Tim Alderson for nothing.
by deuce deuce on Oct 30, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
** Ding, Ding **
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
When has Brian Sabean ever cared about what the fans he refers to as the “lunatic fringe” thinks? He cares even less with a new two year deal in his pocket. Before he made the Sanchez trade he said that he had a prospect he was willing to deal and it was obvious that this prospect was Alderson. He obviously doesn’t think that highly of Alderson, so why would he be worried that this trade would come back to haunt him? He signed Sanchez because when he thinks of Sanchez he thinks of a .300 hitter, former batting champion, and three time all star. That’s how Sabean thinks. The other free agent second basemen that will be out there this year? None of them are former batting champions or three time all stars, therefore Sanchez is the best player out there and Sabean had to bring him back.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 30, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes indeedy...
That’s Sabes to a tee.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Convincingly Argued
I will state, every online analysis that I read of the trade said that Sabes prolly overpaid for Sanchez by giving up Alderson, and clearly that’s what many of us correct-grammer-and-computer-using McCovens felt too. But – yeah, you’re right – trying to impress the seamhead eggheadocracy is prolly not how Sabes makes his decisions.
by SnowLeopard on Oct 30, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Sabean doesn’t give a crap what we think, but he does have a boss. Not retaining the player you traded for when you hold a team option does seem like admitting the whole trade was a mistake, even by non-nerd standards.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/neukom extends sabes another two years
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they already f**king did! By not picking up the $8 million dollar option, we essentially traded Alderson for 2 months of Freddy Sanchez. This new contract has nothing to do with what we received for one of our better prospects.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 30, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is only true
If you think that Freddy would have taken the 2/12 deal had he not played the past couple months with SF
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 30, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering there are a half a bizzilion not elite middle infielders on the market this winter ( and we have not reached the non tender dead line yet) Yes, Shanez would have taken 2/$12MM or been forced to fight for an invites to some ones spring training.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hogwash
At worse Freddy would get a contract like Orlando Hudson got last year which ended up paying the O-Dog just a hair under $8M for just one season and this would only happen if we offered Freddy arbitration which would of then actually most likely end up in an arbitration award for Freddy of the same money but all guaranteed.
I would of been fine with just exercising his option, but I do think the Giants did even better by taking what I see as the small risk of a second year to save $2M a year.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Save Hudson had a low base.
So in that case red looks exactly like purple.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a low base salary, but in order to actually make only that base salary, he would have had to be bad/injured. Is it worth signing someone to a deal like that if they’re only going to be cheap if they’re hurt/suck?
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What it does allow a team to have recourses replaces the injured player should he not be able to play. the 2010 would get to hedge its bets.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO.....GRM
What you say is hogwash. You make statements that are only opinions and state them as facts. They are not facts. You have no idea what Sanchez would’ve gotten on the open market, especially one that is depressed. The facts are that Hudson is a better player than Sanchez (see table above). The facts are that Sanchez’ skills don’t really address the Giants needs. The facts are that wastin $12M on Sanchez makes it less likely that we will have the money to really compete for the impact bat we need. Bottom Line: Sabean fucked up again.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 31, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson’s not going to have to settle for a $4 million w/ incentives deal again…
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have been offered arbitration or had the option exercised by Pittsburgh, so no. We only could have signed him to this deal if we had traded Alderson for him.
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh had already made it clear that they weren’t going to pick up this option, but I agree with the rest of your premise that the Giants’ would have to have paid him more than anyone else to get him to come to San Francisco. A lot of GM’s (Sabean included) don’t like to trade for potential FA’s because they’re just rentals, but I think a lot can be said for getting the player into your city for a couple of months before he goes out on the FA market. In the case of the Giants, he gets to play in a beautiful city, in a beautiful ballpark, and with a good team with a great fan base. Those players will usually give the team a home town discount. Of course this doesn’t hold true for elite FA’s and Scott Boras clients, but Sanchez was neither.
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by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2009 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
we also save a draft pick
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try these:
Just based on career numbers, not park-adjusted:
BA = .299
SA = .417
OPS = 0.716
BB% = .046
K% = .108
OB% = .326
A team of nine Freddy Sanchez clones would typically score 715 runs.
By comparison, that last datum for a few other regular-time second basemen last year:
Chase Utley: 1146 [top]
David Eckstein: 555 [bottom]
Dan Uggla: 882
Sanchez’s numbers—if they hold up—are not terrible: they are fine for a team that is going through the motions, but weak for one that considers it self a serious contender.
Another point is where in the batting order Sanchez would go. If he is near the top, that is bad, bad news; if he is #8, his low walks rate is a major problem. If he is #7, that’s passable, but that’s about all. (You can usually judge how good a team is by the caliber of men batting in the 7, 8, and (in the AL) 9 holes.)
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by owlcroft on Oct 30, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's only looking at it offensively though
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants offense was offensive in 2009.
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And the only reason we were decent was pitching and defense. If we add 10 runs of offense, but give it right back on defense, we haven’t gained anything.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. That’s one of the reasons I am not overly disspointed/happy with the Sanchez signing. Did the Giants overpay ? Not according to WAR. There also is not a candidte in the system right now other Frandsen or Downs.
This was Fangraphs comments about Sanchez just before his trade in July
"Freddy Sanchez has already been worth nearly $12 million to the team just coming off of the break, double what he is getting paid now. Why on earth would he take a $3 million pay cut when all he has to do is stay in the lineup? Granted, Sanchez was terrible last year and it isn’t like he is without his foibles — he doesn’t run all that well, doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for much power. He’s been slightly above average in the field, with a career UZR/150 of 5. So maybe he is somewhat of an empty .300 hitter, but over his past three healthy seasons, his WAR totals have been 3.2, 4.8, 3.8 and now 2.6 this season. The man is hardly a $5 mil a year player. "
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by nvsfg on Oct 30, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if he hit anywhere other than second.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Velez/Torres leading off. Sob.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's due to hit in the second slot
Was it you or someone else who wrote about the “classic 2nd slot hitter”. I guy who doesn’t walk a lot but possibly hits for average. That this idea made sense before about 1910, but hasn’t since, although it is still thought of as a great guy to hav there.
by DrStankus on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Schulman, the Giants have outrighted Justin Miller. So he’s gone.
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by SFGuy on Oct 30, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So long, and thanks for the tats.
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/pours out a 40
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Medders sheds single manly tear of angst
by TheLetter2 on Oct 30, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the draft pick thing is worth mentioning. Saving one by not signing a new guy is pretty valuable.
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by cheno on Oct 30, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if we don’t sign a type a free agent at another position. And it wouldn’t surprise me if we did.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOLINA
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by scout6 on Oct 30, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
All that would do would mean we’d still lose a first, but then, we wouldn’t lose a second round pick. Still no small thing.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
“All star caliber play”
“Steady veteran presence”
“Professional approach”
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by thehavenot on Oct 30, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Predictable, ain’t it?
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by SFGuy on Oct 30, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it’s 2 years/ $12 million I like it
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 30, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLEY MOLEY!
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also LOL Giants Update
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is as Sanchez does
yeah, I got that too in my email…
by Tycho on Oct 30, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have scrolled down more….
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Whoops, our bad"
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants PR: Let’s just try to make it look like we didn’t fuck up the first time.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After they fucked up, what were they supposed to do?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought all you people have been kidding
did they really send out a picture of JSanchez with the first PR? That’s epic, even for them.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really did. Unless it was Freddy Sanchez dressed (convincincly!) like Jonny for Halloween.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 31, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Felipe?
I think that’s a little worse than a blowhard radio rant.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Penguins of Madagascar Say
“You didn’t see anything!” /waves flippers
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez on KNBR right now. Barbieri, of course, is kissing his ass.
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by SFGuy on Oct 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I listened to Ralph a little bit in the four o’clock hour and it sounded like he had a huge wad of phlegm in his throat. Even more than he usually does.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 30, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!
We’ve locked down out .300 hitting batting champ for two years. We’re set for that playoff run
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In other news, Sabean said he has spoken to each of the Giants’ impending free agents to communicate the team’s intentions. Specifically, Juan Uribe informed them that he plans to test the market.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/10/30/sanchez-glad-to-return-uribe-to-test-market/
by ryanmiles on Oct 30, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if Juan Uribe ends up getting a big deal somewhere else, I wouldn’t be too broken up about it. I really doubt he can repeat the year he had in 2009.
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And Uribe is doing the right thing, he should test the market after the year he had.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but I will remember his time with the 2009 Giants fondly.
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JAZZ HANDS!
will always make me :)
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for one night.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 31, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redeemed by Rownads..
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by esseffgeez on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:( sad
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would tend to agree with you, but am waiting first to see what Xanthan thinks.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Oct 30, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with the GROUGTHINK
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by scout6 on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be nice to have him as a backup
but not a starter
by sfoakbay on Oct 30, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get ready for some Rentarrhea fail!
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by cornball on Oct 30, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure who's going to be better next year
renteria or uribe?
by sfoakbay on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better question:
Renteria or Ted Williams?
I’ll bet the Splendid Splinter in his current condition would have a better WAR than Edgar.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuart Scott says
he’s as cool as the other side of the pillow
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by thehavenot on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY-oh!
Speaking of which, here’s one of the greatest examples of dedication to Halloween I’ve ever seen.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my kinda humor, I guess.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you notice his crotch bulge?
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my kinda humor
I just literally LOL’d. (Mrs. Goofus chuckled too.)
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this
they won’t be that far apart, and Uribe will be making a LOT less money.
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Uribe is a better defender.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in which case we could presume Pablo Sandoval would hit cleanup.
This must be when Molina has a day off or is injured.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina will no longer get injured. Everytime he gets hurt the Giants will threaten to bring up Buster Posey. Molina will play 162 games every year for as long as the Giants will have him.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE UNDER ASS!
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire just lit
Buster finally had his first two hit game in the AFL last night, with his first homerun.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2009 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
let Molina be a Met next year.
Please.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully a different team
We can’t get their 1st round pick since it’s protected.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Seattle Scenario sounds goot to me.
by Merope on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle is way too smart to sign Bengie. Plus, they already have two guys basically MLB ready to take over.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d still get a sandwich pick and a second rounder for a shitty catcher. I’d still consider that a win.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina will eat your sandwich pick. He’ll eat it up!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point, i don't even care
i just want him gone. a pick is a bonus
by sfoakbay on Oct 31, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fully expect him to be a Tiger.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I thought KC and Detroit seemed most likely.
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
The reason they wanted to give him a multi-year deal instead of exercising the option was that the option was for too much money, right?
Well, the option was $8 million. If it’s 2 years, $12 million, that means we’re paying him about $2 million less in 2010 – at the expense of giving a second year and ultimately paying MORE for an aging, breaking down, not-even-very good second baseman. Hooray?
I hate this team.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But
“He provides a steady veteran presence and professional approach.”
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Oct 30, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read that as.....
GAMER
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 30, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disclaimer
by “not-even-very-good,” I don’t mean he sucks, I just mean I don’t think he’s anything that special.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$10.1M player last year according to fangraphs
by kingofthacove on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a pretty solid second baseman. But giving a multi-year deal to a non-elite player in his thirties who’s been hurt isn’t my idea of what the Giants should be doing.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not if they had cheaper alternatives who could reasonably perform at similar levels, but they don’t. He provides a strength at one of the weaker positions in our system for a decent price.
And he’s had one DL stint in his career. I don’t think he’s suddenly some huge injury risk.
by kingofthacove on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
He had multiple injuries last year, is coming off surgery, and performed very poorly in 2008 – a lot of people thought that was due to playing hurt, as I recall.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Figgins play second decently? If so, I’d much rather have him. As I recall he’s not even expected to be a Type A.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins is a Type B, I believe
But he’s going to cost a lot more and for more years. Mole is the much better deal.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re making me feel better, keep talking
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez has the classic underrated skill set
He does a little of everything, but is great at nothing. He’s subpar at walks and power, but his good average helps mask some of that to make him a league average bat (that’s across all players, not just 2B). Plus, he plays good to great defense at an up the middle position. The total package is a good to great player.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT FIGGENZ W/ TEH STEELZ
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious what Figgins will sign for
That will definitely shade this contract one way or another. I honestly think Figgins is going to get ridiculously overpaid this winter, and if he does, I think people will realize the Sanchez deal is a pretty good one.
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wouldn’t be too excited about signing a 30-something 2B/3B whose best tool is speed to a four or five year deal because that’s what it is going to take.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very possible
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins could probably catch if you asked him to.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t perform ‘very poorly’ at all in 2008… If Sanchez is a 2-win player while playing hurt, then he’s really damn good.
And those were still injuries that haven’t been recurring throughout his career. They’re not nearly as concerning as many of the typical injury risk players.
by kingofthacove on Oct 30, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, I read 2008 as 2009. Still that year is an outlier from every other season in the past 5.
by kingofthacove on Oct 30, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a sub-.300 OBP, a .292 wOBA, and a 79 OPS+. He fell into negative UZR value for the second time in his career. That’s not good.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not if they had cheaper alternatives
Perhaps you should go cruise through the free agent and potential non tender lists at Cots & MLBTR and restate this.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Has. The Cheaper Are Worse Not Better.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An his is not better then the rest he is part of or the rest in all ways except for how he is compent sated.
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by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a pretty fair price for a 2-3 win player, which is more or less what Sanchez has been in his career. He’s a very good defensive second baseman.
The question is whether or not he’ll keep it up the next two years, which I do think is a legit question.
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
And maybe I’m alone, but considering his injuries, I’d rather pay him slightly more for 2010 and not be saddled with him for the second season.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I look at it, we exercised the option and signed him to an additional year for $4 million. That’s about what Hudson got paid this year and is about the going rate for a league average 2b. If he has a great year next year there would have been no way to get him for an additional year at $4 million. It’s a risk but I think it’s worth it.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If you like 1/8, you have to love 2/12.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Not Alone!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has the potential to put up a 4+ win year.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sure would be nice if he did
just saying.
inb4 lars
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ARE NOT SAYING!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And mind you
This is the contract he got after doing nothing for us and getting hurt twenty times. Imagine what Sabean would’ve offered had he stayed healthy and hit .330 with us.
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by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got a good player for not too much money
This is a good deal…I am pleased.
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by kbsofaraway08 on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much where I stand
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 30, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
F.Sanchez was just on with Ralph and Tom… I’m guessing they archive all their interviews on KNBR.com somewhere.
by Merope on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Already up
http://www.knbr.com/common/global_audio/201/13826.mp3
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by SFGuy on Oct 30, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a good signing.
I don’t see what some people are complaining about.
by Josh L on Oct 30, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I honestly would have been way more upset if they traded away Alderson for a rental.
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by SeeingStars on Oct 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They already did. They traded Alderson for 2 1/2 months of Sanchez & an 8 million dollar option for 2010. That’s it.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 30, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, They Did Not.
The Giants never dclined the option then just used the option as leverage to negoiate the extention. You would only be right if the Giants actually declined the option (paying the buyout) and then re-signed him.
by giantsrainman on Oct 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they still did have to pay the 600,000 buyout you know
by NateEveryday on Oct 31, 2009 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 million dollars for one season isn’t leverage for a player who was not going to get offered that much for next season by any team in baseball.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 31, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Control Is The Leverage
That fact is that the Giants signed him to a below market contract as they did not pay the standard $4.5M per WAR. This is a good deal for the Giants and only your inability to see anything Sabean does as good keeps you from seeing this (frankly) obvious fact.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4.5M per WAR is no longer the market rate.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 31, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe It Has Decreased Some But Fangraphs Is Not Showing This Yet
Even assuming you are right, it sure has not decreased to the point where $6m/yr isn’t a bargin for the likely WAR we can expect from Freddy Sanchez.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're using fangraphs dollars
Say Tim Alderson puts up 3-4 seasons of starting pitching, even at an ERA around 4.5 and at the back of the rotation- you know fangraphs going to value that as a lot of money. See Mike Pelfrey, ERA of 5.03, FIP of 4.39, valued at 1.8 WAR, or $7.9 million.
Seeing as that’s one of the low-end scenarios for Alderson, we’ll call that his ‘value’ as trade bait.
That trade value is predictive of 3 years of Alderson at team-controlled cost (aka negligible).
You’re going to have a hard time convincing me that contract leverage on Freddy Sanchez is worth $15-20 million.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 1, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different Subject
The trade has already happened and I voiced my disagreement with it when it did. What we are talking about here is weither or not the Giants got a good deal with this new contract for Freddy Sanchez. I just do not believe anyone can make a rational arguement that this contract with Freddy Sanchez is not a good contract for the Gaints.
by giantsrainman on Nov 1, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understand
Under the circumstances they put themselves into by making the trade, this was a good deal.
They would have gotten a better deal if they had not traded, because the $8 million option was high enough to provide Sanchez with positive leverage, because he knew that Sabean was going to bring him back at all costs after investing such a prospect in him.
That made it impossible for Sabean to get him to agree to terms that were lower in value than 1 year, $8 million.
In free agency, Sanchez would have had much less leverage after having had his option declined by the Pirates.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 1, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh deal
But less meh than watching this Warriors game.
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by Yoyo on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate the signing if they see Sanchez as the complementary player he is and not some kind of centerpiece. If he is batting third when the season rolls around, then this wasn’t so great, but that’s more because we’ve failed to get someone else rather than that Sanchez can’t be what he’s not.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 30, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh gross… they are picking Joe Thornton’s teeth up off the ice.
He got hit in the mouth by a puck.
by Merope on Oct 30, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
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by Natto on Oct 30, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no and he was kinda cute smiling at that puppet
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with this. Sanchez is league average and depending on BABIP fluctuations has a chance to be better than that. There aren’t really many better options on the FA market and we don’t have an up and coming 2B to make way for. I’d rather do this deal than sign Lopez or Palanco who I believe are both type A and would cost draft picks. Since he didn’t play much after he came over you can still call this an upgrade to last year’s lineup. Now it’s time to see what Sabean does next, which is always a scary thought.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 30, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT:
Posey is 2/3 so far tonight with a HR.
by ryanmiles on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS OFFENSE
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CANT CARRY THE LOAD
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 31, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to look, last time I followed an AFL game I watch Posey’s average plummet to .188. I think he grounded out to the second baseman 3 times in one inning.
by Merope on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JOEY :(
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez had a weird season this year, that kind of makes me wonder whether he actually bounced back from his 2008. I don’t know.
In the season’s first 20 games he hit .337/.374/.570
He followed that up with a 20 game stretch of .250/.289/.357
Went nuts for 6 games and hit .600/.643/.800
Final 64 games .263/.290/.347
That’s 26 good games and 84 games of Edgar Renteria. Maybe you can do this kind of thing with a lot of players, but I’d like to see a guy who isn’t so streaky, especially when his numbers aren’t that impressive to begin with.
by ElDuce on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you can do this kind of thing with a lot of players
You absolutely can. Pretty much every player is streaky like that. Consistency is a myth.
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by marcello on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol random endpoints
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The final 64 games included the ones where he tried to play with a sore knee.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT threadjack:
How do we feel about Bobby Abreu? Not so great with the glove and he’s only getting older (36 next year), but is it worth it to get his .390 OBP in the lineup? I think maybe…
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 Years $16 mil
Contract he turned down from the Angels.
That’s a lot of money for not too big of an impact. If he’s misreading the market again and ends up afloat looking for any kind of a deal like last year, picking him up would be a prudent move, but his current demands are exorbitant.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the way i see it, I’d be willing to go as high as 2 years $20 mil, or 3 years $25… I’m not so worried about how much money he makes over the short term because I think his bat isn’t likely to just fall off the table all at once. But I do wonder if two years down the line he might be a strictly AL only type guy and I don’t want to get roped into anything longer than 2 years unless absolutely necessary, and then the third year had better be pretty cheap.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His glove is already pretty close to DH-quality. I shudder to think where it’ll be in three years.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord that’s a butt-load of money for a terrible defensive player.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s way too much money for a player who at best gives us about 2 WAR over what we have now.
Remember the defense.
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by dregarx on Oct 31, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever I think this isn't a good deal
I remember the litany of B-Teamers that rolled through 2B last year.
And then I’m happy that we have a real player at second.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 30, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What a whiney bunch!
At 2nd base, Sanchez plays good defense and should be a good hitter. Not a 3 or 4 hitter, but a good hitter for 2nd base.
by BleacherEd on Oct 30, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody’s thrown themselves downstairs yet.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it
Cheaper options
Marginal upgrade
Pattern of injuries
Decline in Production
/throws self downstairs
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 30, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None Of The Other Options Likely to Be A Better Value.
Freddy is likely to be worth 5 WAR over the life of this contract (4 WAR on the Downside and 6 WAR plus on the upside) and the $12M the Giants are paying normally buys less then 3 WAR.
by giantsrainman on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Hudson is likely to be a much better value... and that was just off the top of my head
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by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The O Dog Has Become A Minus On Defense
and his offense is only marginally better. Saying he is a for sure upgrade is just silly.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been awesome before the season, but giving up a 1st-rounder to the Dodgers, in addition to already losing Alderson, makes me queezy. Also the injury risks associated are comparable IMO.
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by SeeingStars on Oct 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheaper options – not really
Marginal upgrade – definitely not
Pattern of injuries – sure
Decline in production – mostly related to the injuries, but he was still a good player in 2009 when on the field
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying the team just paid $12MM for a designated bunter. he is another guy thta should be hitting in the bottom 1/3 of the order. The exact spots your team should be trying out young unproven players in by the way. No way that will keep biting us in the arse.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many potential free-agent middle infielders are true middle of the order hitters? One?
I’ve never liked this argument because it ignores the realities both of this team and of the free-agent market.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling him a designated bunter is overstating the case a bit. He’s a good player and, yes, probably the best middle infield option there is this year. He’s not the middle of the order bat everyone wants, but people are focusing too much on his flaws and not enough on the fact that, yeah, he actually is a good player.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
No, Sanchez on his own is not going to bump this team up into being big-time contenders. But, honestly, you take him and possibly Buster Posey at catcher, add an above average outfielder (Holliday pipe-dream? Cameron?) and another infielder, we could begin to have something.
Now, I’m not entirely convinced that Sabean will pull it off, but solidifying second base really isn’t a bad idea.
Remember – he’s not Manny Burriss. And thank God for that.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Also Thank God He Is Not Kevin Frandsen.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, the guy that kicked Sabean’s dog.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 1, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously people.....
this IS a good thing. we’ve secured a hitter who hits near the top of the line up, who has proven to hit good pitching. more runners on base for pablo and bay !
by giantdonkey on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine, he’s a decent all around package at 2nd, but he’s not real good at getting on base. He’s likely to be on about 33%.
by DrStankus on Oct 31, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, no, not bay
unnecessary exclamation point is unnecessary
by sfoakbay on Oct 31, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But with our current crop of outfielders there really are not any other clear multiple skill upgrades in the OF not named Holliday. After Holliday there is 2-3 guys that people are trying to talk themselves into. I think Cameron is the most intriguing and has the strongest case of those guys but really waiting that crop up for a low contract is the smart move.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
massive reply fail
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Can't Figure out What Drug You Are On.
But I do know you need to back off before you OD.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. No was cut and pasting to tye and cut down teh typos. Then lost teh reply to this thread.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, you know, maybe it’ll take Holliday to do it. I don’t know. But that shouldn’t be an argument against spending money (and really, this isn’t much money at all…) to solidify second base.
Now, if this goes along with keeping everything else the same? I’ll be pissed. But I have to agree with marcello that I think a lot of people’s opinions about Sanchez are somewhat unfairly swayed by how he played as a Giant.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niether is he Iwamura, Kelly Johnson or even Matsui. WE are not going to agree with this so I’ll just leave it here.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, none of those three guys are really as good as Sanchez and all have just as significant of questions surrounding them!
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the biggest differnce is here is as good a Sanchez was.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kelly Johnson and Kaz Matsui aren’t anywhere near as good as they were anymore either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they are both better comps and paid less. What Polancoget paid will be relivent as well. I am guessing he gets paid less then Sanchez.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 31, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Kelly Johnson’s bat returns, he’s a terrible fielder at 2B. Kaz Matsui was and will never be as good as Sanchez. I’ve always been an Iwamura supporter, but I don’t expect the Giants to snatch him without going into the 4-5 mil territory so Sanchez at 6 per is reasonable.
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by SeeingStars on Oct 31, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
iTunes has this sale on landmark albums of the 1990s, so I bought OK Computer, and heaven help me I’m completely uninvolved with it even on the 2nd listening.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 30, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a great album
it took me awhile to really get into it though.
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by jponry on Oct 30, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile I really like the new Train. shrugs
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by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I prefer Kid A
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps they’re having a sale on something more accessible, like the Jonas Brothers.
Thing C
by markdash on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that made me lol
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I feel terrible. But it just seems … emotionally uninvolved.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Transaction Oracle
Szymborski snipes:
Perversely, this might have been a better signing for the Giants if they had paid a little more. After all, someone who wants the Giants to succeed should hardly want there to be spare money to bring back Pop Tarts Molina.
The reason deals like this kill the Giants (it’s not really that bad a move) is that it’s hard to believe Frandsen could not put up Freddie Sanchez-type numbers for basically free.
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by zenbitz on Oct 30, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not the biggest Frandsen fan, but I seriously doubt that.
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by groug on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I Think Thinking This Would Be Rediculous!
by giantsrainman on Oct 30, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous even!!
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he meant it would be diculous twice.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that's fully true
But given his treatment this season, it’s pretty clear Frandsen is never getting a shot with the Giants. Dumb? Hell yeah. But, since that really isn’t an option, this is probably the next best one.
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I am one of the biggest Frandsen fans on here, but even I wouldn’t say he’d do that.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At no point have I thought Frandsen could be a Sanchez equivalent. Let me think about out….nope, still don’t.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Frandsen
That’s what you get for growing up a Giants fan.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frandsenberry
I thought the Kool-Aid would have run out by now. Major Upgrade has been demoted to Corporal Cut.
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Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am trying to come up with a word that is an amalgam of “Ugh” and “Meh”
Mugh?
Uheh?
Any help?
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by scout6 on Oct 30, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mug?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 30, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kline?
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by marcello on Oct 31, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Megh.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding!
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut spending and fix the schools!
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me tell you about a place called California…
by goGSW24 on Oct 31, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will create 8 billion jobs
just like at Ebay!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know a Klingon named Megh.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
franchez?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Oct 31, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From SF Gate
I like the spelling of the new right fielder and who is this new first baseman the Giants plan to acquire?
Signing Freddie Sanchez is a very good move. He is a very savvy ballplayer who wants to play for the Giants. Sanchez is intelligent and has heart. The Giants also need to sign Bengie, he is tough and good in clutch situations. Keep Eli Whiteside as the backup and give Posey another year to hone his craft. Brad Penny looked great and should also be signed. Let Winn go and take the chance with Nate Sherholz he has the tools. Rowand has been a bust. What’s up with the batting stance? Give Ryan Bowker a chance at first. Center fielders and first basemen ought to bat at least 300 and hit 28 homeruns. Travis has potential but will it materialize and how long will it take? Freddie Lewis was a disaster, he’s got wheels but is a liability even on the bases.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 31, 2009 2:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last time the Giants had a first baseman who fit that criteria: 1991.
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Center fielders and first basemen ought to bat at least 300 and hit 28 homeruns.
Heavens. I hope he means respectively. 28 HRs seems like a tall order for most CFs.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL CENTER FIELDERS SHOULD BE KEN GRIFFEY JR.!!!!
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could definitely put up with Rowand’s inane batting stance if he hit like (vintage) Ken Griffey Jr.
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Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Bowker
When Ryan Garko and John Bowker combine, their powers become more terrible than you can imagine!
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker's ability vs LHP
mixed with Garko’s ability vs RHP??? AHHHHH
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, a .270 OBP is clutch.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is a .260 average with RISP.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 31, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm guessing this dude shouldn't join MCC
he would get picked apart.
by sfoakbay on Oct 31, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL RYAN BOWKER
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by scout6 on Oct 31, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i liked the signing.
I mean yeah he got injured, blah blah. but he’s had a lot of down time to heal and get everything back in order. his contract isn’t exactly a great financial burden and it’s been a while since the Giants actually had a second baseman.
i just hope he gets a uniform which fits him next year and not a pair of pyjamas.
by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 31, 2009 5:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s been a while since the Giants actually had a second baseman.
Ray Durham, 2008: .289 / .380 / .430 / 11.0 Hitting, -0.5 Fielding, 2.6 WAR
Freddy Sanchez, 2009: .293 / .326 / .416 / -2.3 Hitting, 6.7 Fielding, 2.2 WAR
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s still been 212 games since then without either!
by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 31, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HFS
Durham had a .380 OBP!?!??!?!?!
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually had a .385 OBP with us last year. His stint with the Brewers dragged it down a bit.
/sobs
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by jcb9 on Oct 31, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew. Sigh…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't
I hated him. So unenlightened….
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could you hate Durham?
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by Natto on Oct 31, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By hating joy and puppies.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I remember is his stone glove
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't THAT bad
Other than his ’07 season, he was an awesome hitter with the Giants.
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by Natto on Oct 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he was the Sugarman!
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by Natto on Oct 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and from across the bay!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 31, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say?
it wasn’t really rational hate…just one of those guys I remember as sucking who was actually pretty good. Not sure why.
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN:
Sanchez is expected to bat second for the Giants, though Bochy said he will occasionally use Sanchez in the third slot.
Awesome.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
where else would he hit in this sorry group?
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by bondslegend on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Winn
Bunt!
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Giants Bratz:
If you have already given up on finding a middle of the order hitter, thank you. Nothing will make me lose interest in the upcoming season faster than seeing “4. Molina” or “3. F. Sanchez” on the lineup card, and I’ll save a lot of money on tickets.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a conversation here a few weeks ago, I said I’d be happy with 2/$10 million. I’m not going to get all upset with another $1M per year.
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by Goofus on Oct 31, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
When I first saw this post, I tried to leave a comment saying “I hope it’s something like 2/10”, but the leaked numbers had already been posted, so I didn’t bother.
Could have been worse, could have been better, but it could have been much worse than it could have been better.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunk Costs & It Could Have Been Worse
Sabean also let A.J. Pierzynski go after one year, and he may non-tender Ryan Garko. But somehow we all knew he would bring back Freddy Sanchez – either the one-year option or a deal like this.
Of course, the only reason Freddy Sanchez took this deal is because he was injured with the Giants. I don’t buy the idea that he took this deal because of any loyalty to the Giants. Had he hit .330 and played most of August and September, our only option to keep him would have been the option or some crazy 3 or 4 year deal at $10 million/yr. I guess in that respect I’m glad he was hurt this year.
by ErodCal on Oct 31, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HE'S NOT A BIG BAT OMFG WHAT R U DOING SABEZ!!!!!!!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GIANTS BRASS
I WANTED HANLEY AND UTLEY WTF
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
