The Clink Of The Bat...ending?
This could have a lot of repercussions for amateur baseball.
I've never been a fan of aluminum bats, but not for safety reasons. I just never liked swinging them and, yea, the clink sounds too much like kicking a chain link fence.
The accident is a shame, but the wrong group is being held responsible. It will be interesting to see how this changes how amateur leagues, particularly the NCAA, respond.
Of course, Greenpeace is probably pissed. More wood bats = less trees = global warming, I bet, by their math.
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so what happens when they switch out aluminum bats for maple ones?
by FPTV on Oct 30, 2009 2:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
frankly, I don’t think the switch can come soon enough. aside from being more dangerous, aluminum bats are just less aesthetically pleasing by far… no one goes to the yard to hear the “ping” of the bat. If the NCAA makes the switch, I really, highly doubt they’ll regret it. I think it would be a big step towards their drawing the kinds of fans they should be to the college game.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 30, 2009 2:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
…and somebody will get a bat-splinter in the eye and file a lawsuit.
And aren’t there deadened aluminum bats which are de-tuned to perform more like wood and reduce the velocity of batted balls? Why wasn’t the league mandating their use?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a bullshit lawsuit.
Next time someone smashes my car window with a bat, I am suing the bat maker, not the thief.
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by say hey nation on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid verdict. I hate lawsuits like this. I just don’t see how the bat manufacturer was responsible in the least bit.
Curt Drake, one of the family’s attorneys, said the jury arrived at the total by awarding $792,000 to Brandon Patch for his lost earnings and pain and suffering, an amount that goes to his estate.
I just don’t understand this. The kid was 18, I’m assuming he didn’t have a wife or kids or anyone that depended on him for financial support. What is this money for? What does it accomplish? I just don’t see any logic behind awarding this money.
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by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 6:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and isn’t common knowledge that aluminum bats have quicker bat speed? Its not like the industry was hiding this from us, everyone knows this
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by say hey nation on Oct 30, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re not hiding from it but they’re still promoting and selling their products. It’s like tobacco company liability— at a certain point, if you’re product hurts someone, regardless of whether or not they should or could have known it was dangerous, you have to pay for those damages. And why not? Louisville Slugger makes millions of dollars selling aluminum bats— when one kills someone in the normal course of playing a game, they’re in a better position to pay for it than anyone else.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 30, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on the tobacco company comparison, for say hey nation’s exact reasons – there was a lot more going on than simply selling a product that can have harmful effects. Issues with addiction, covering up how deadly they were, advertising directed at kids and whatever else. I don’t see the bat manufacturers doing anything shady – they’re just making products we want for a game they didn’t create that Americans love…
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
America didn't have a vote
12 jurors did. in baseball, that’s called small sample size.
In any event, what is most distrubing about the failure to warn aspect here is that it is highly doubtful that had they been warned, they would have changed their behavior in some way to avoid this freak injury.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 30, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a crock. Sounds like the parents should have bought their son a bubble to play rather than sign him up for baseball. Regardless, wood or aluminum, a pitcher has very little time to get the hell out of the way or at least get a glove in the way of the ball.
The ONLY way that amateur baseball moves to wood bats is if they use composites. The composites probably won’t break, but there is still a possibility they could. Most amateur teams don’t have the funding to go through 100 wood bats in a season.
One part I do like about the wood bat idea is that for drafting purposes. Some players are great with aluminum, but when they are forced to start swinging wood, their hands swell up, nose starts running, and have uncontrollable but pee then are out of baseball within 2-3 years. Wood bats would give you a better idea of what your drafting.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 6:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The ONLY way that amateur baseball moves to wood bats is if they use composites. The composites probably won’t break, but there is still a possibility they could. Most amateur teams don’t have the funding to go through 100 wood bats in a season.
This x109. I think the high school and college ranks would like to move to wood bats, since they have been moving towards more “like-wood” performance restrictions, but it is simply a cost issue.
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by j14 on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have mentioned that he died earlier in the article. Overall, it’s a very weird case. I’m definitely sympathetic toward the family, but it really doesn’t seem like the bat manufacturer did anything wrong.
It’s questionable whether the type of bat had anything to do with the events, and I don’t think that a warning label on the bat would have made any difference.
But I do have sympathy toward certain aspects of the family’s case. If aluminum bats do increase the danger of injury and death, then that should be dealt with. A warning label is a weak way to do it. It would probably be better to examine manufacturing standards.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have mentioned that he died earlier in the article.
Like in the first paragraph. Yeah, I’m bad at skimming. :/
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by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think this is a BS, ambulance-chasing suit.
Of course, I hate the aesthetics of metal bats, so maybe I’m biased. Here’s Deadspin’s analysis of the verdict:
Most importantly, the jury did not find the bat defective, in effect saying, the aluminum bat did what it’s supposed to, and in doing so killed someone. This can’t be understated: it’s been proven, in a court of law, that aluminum bats are capable of killing.
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Assuming a college player dies, it’ll still be the bat maker’s fault and not the NCAA or the school. That’s the precedent set.
However, there’s a potential chilling effect. Now that there is that precedent, it won’t be much of a leap for future lawyers to argue that a league would be negligent by continuing to use these bats. Next time this happens, an attorney will say, “You knew this put players’ lives at risk, but continued to use them anyway.” And without vouching for the strength of that argument, all they’d need to convince would be a handful of jurors.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 30, 2009 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think it’s a stupid, BS decision. And I’m not calling the suit itself an ambulance-chasing situation – obviously a family lost their son, it’s very understandable they’re looking to blame someone. Blaming the bat manufacturer is just ridiculous, though. Look what happened to Joe Martinez – that was with a wood bat, he could have died. Why is there a line between metal and wood bats, and why is it the bat manufacturers fault for making a bat within the sports rules for use in baseball? They aren’t even the ones that set “what it’s supposed to do” – they didn’t make the baseball rules.
Dumb legal decision. I really don’t like it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the defect was the failure to warn of the dangerous product
what it means is that aluminum bats will have 50 different warnings on them now…like ladders.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 30, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a cost issue for amateur players to use metal bats. Having to replace broken wooden bats for a cash-strapped public school program (i.e., San Jose State, as I know all too well) would likely spell doom for the team.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 30, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
I always read that the difference between wood and aluminum/ceramic was either insignificant or inconclusive. The difference now is several thousand dollars worth of liability, thanks to the decisiveness of the court.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you seriously don’t think the ball comes off an aluminum bat harder than a wooden one? I thought we could all agree on that…
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 30, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t good enough to make it to the wood bat leagues, so I just have to go on what (I thought) I read/saw/heard about.
The most clear memory I have (of the vehicle for this mis/information) was some TV show where a bunch of physicists ran tests on each type of bat. The determination, if I recall, was that the materials themselves did not produce significantly different results, rather it was the obtainable bat speed/acceleration of the aluminum bat that could potentially drive the ball harder.
Actually, come to think of it, I remember one of my favorite bats was banned while I was playing HS ball because it didn’t meet the required length/weight ratio (too light). As I recall, I reconciled this ruling in my head with my (supposed) knowledge that it was a safety issue, and that the light bat could generate more power on the ball (although anyone in the stands could tell you that with that bat in MY hands, nobody was in danger). This was, of course, sadly, about 20 years ago…
The point is, I my understanding was that as long as the length/weight ratio of metal bats was regulated within some degree of the specs of wood, then the difference was insignificant… And thus, the amateur leagues’ preference for metal was more about cost.
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by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmm...
Further examination set me straight (thanks Wikipedia!!!)
It also looks like the space-age alloy bats started to appear about the time I disappeared (was forcefully removed) from the diamond.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 30, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. j14 mentioned this above.
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by The Enchanter on Nov 1, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to partly disagree with most everbody here.
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Wood bats and metal bats are fundamentally different. This we know. Yet the level of engineering that can go into wood bats has pretty much peaked (until genetically engineered trees become the material for wood bats). Metal bats have been tuned over the years to be lighter (increasing bat speed, thus the velocity off the bat), stronger, and more flexible.
Metal bats flex when a ball hits them (while wood bats repel the ball or break), creating a “boomerang” effect, propelling the ball faster off the bat – this is the primary reason that the ball travels faster off the bat, no the actual constituents of the material. It is in the interest of the companies creating these bats to make bats that can hit a baseball harder and farther. Additionally, metal bats have much larger sweet spots.
In my mind, we have metal bat manufacturers with goals that are at odds with the safety of players (particularly pitchers). Finding a manufacturer at fault may not be the ideal solution towards some sort of reform, but often things don’t change until somebody loses (or the threat of them losing) money.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Oct 30, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the “thinner wall” “Boomerang effect”.
However, in reference to the weight portion, ALL HS or COL baseball organizations are required to use -3 bats (length/oz.). Back when it was -5 it was really ridiculous. So that aspect has gotten better. One major part to consider as well is that the center of balance is much different than that of a wooden bat, which are obviously very top-heavy and harder to generate bat head speed.
I am not really disagreeing with you, i guess, just adding some of my thoughts. But I definitely don’t agree that the bat Co. should be held responsible.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the bat co. shouldn't be held responsible
It would be like suing Porsche for making a car that is too fast. They made a product that results in better performance, so people are willing to buy it. The “responsibility” should fall on the league for lack of regulations on bats. Sure the -3oz rule is a good start but it does need to be followed up with balance point, wall thickness, flexibility and exit speed restrictions.
However, again the problem is money. Few amateur teams can afford to go through and buy a whole new set of bats that will fit the new regulations. The -3oz rule was implemented my freshmen year of high school and we had a hard time filling out the bat rack. Being 5’2" and 105 pounds dripping wet at the time, I actually had to go 50/50 with the other short guy on the team to get a 32 inch (that I still had to choke up on) because the school couldn’t afford one.
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by j14 on Nov 1, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 33/30 was the popular one with all of the teams i played on. I used a 34/31 for a few games and just couldn’t handle it. I remember having a C-Core 34/29 when I was 13 yo and absolutely mashed with it. Once the new rule came into affect, it definitely took some adjustment on my behalf.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 1, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my mind, we have metal bat manufacturers with goals that are at odds with the safety of players
Well, I don’t necessarily think of it in this way. The bat manufacturers are just making the products their customers want. If it means hitting the ball farther, people buy them because that’s what they’re looking for. I just don’t see this as the manufacturers fault – they’re just giving the market what it wants.
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not advocating that the manufacturers should lose money over this issue. My personal philosophy would be that there needs to be some sort of regulation – either a standard set by the manufacturers, or governmental. At some point I think it is conceivable to think that bats become so powerful that they are a regular danger to players. We should avoid reaching this point.
Also, when we say that the manufacturers are giving the market what it wants, we are really just saying, “chicks dig the long ball.” And while I understand that the homerun is the dominant event in baseball, as a fan I think you would agree with me that having more powerful bats does not make the game any better. While this isn’t a statement about markets, I am just stating that I don’t believe that the philosophy that is driving the market does anything to benefit the game at any level.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else notice that Dusty Baker has been hired as a figurehead for the pro-aluminum bat lobby?
http://www.dtmba.com/DustyBaker.pdf
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by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 30, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why didn’t they sue Spalding for making a defective ball?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 30, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They should also sue the opposing coach for putting that batter in that spot in the order.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 31, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s in poor taste but the pitcher has to pitch the ball before it can even be hit by the batter. If the location of the pitch was better maybe the ball wouldn’t have even been hit. There are way too many variables for it to be just the fault of the bat. Perhaps MLB should be sued for being the national pastime for over 100 years and encouraging young men to play a game where injury or death can occur.
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