The Case for Carlos Delgado
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 11:37 AM PDT
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PrintHe’s good. He’s coming off an injury so presumably the price will be reasonable. He’s always been able to get on base well, a career .383 OBP. He turned 33 in 2005 and since then, during years when most players start their decline, he hit .275/.363/.523. That includes a sub par 2007 when he hit .258/.333.448, which is still a lot better than the .271/.328/.405 line Giants 1B put up this year, which includes 97 PA of awesomeness from Pablo where he hit .385/.423/.648. The Giants continue to have a gigantic hole in the middle of the order and at 1B. Delgado fills both. The man has been a legit power hitting, high OBP first baseman his entire career, without seeing much of a noticeable decline. It’s easy to write-off Delgado because he’s coming off an injury and he’s 37. But after what Ibanez has done this season we should think twice about writing off veterans especially if there hasn’t been a noticeable decline in performance. No doubt the Giants would have been in the playoffs this year had we signed Ibanez, we can’t let another opportunity like that slip away. Without being able to cite stats, it seems a lot of veterans this season but up big numbers (Ibanez, Posada, Manny). These players, including Delgado, have performed their entire careers and continue to do so. Yes eventually they will decline or fall off the cliff, but it really is a guessing game finding out when that will occur. It is worth the risk for Delgado because even if it doesn’t work out we have fall back options in Sandoval, Ishikawa, Garko, Bowker.
But I’m expecting it to work out and I think Delgado has at least another .380+/.500+ season in him. And there are other benefits to improving the offense through 1B and not the outfield.
-Sandoval can stay at 3B another season where he played average defense and his bat is more valuable. Having legit power at both corners would be a huge plus.
-If we don’t add another outfielder to fix the offense we can finally see what we have in our young outfielders in a legit sample size and consistent playing time. Winn is undoubtedly gone (I’ll gladly organize the riots in the streets if he comes back). Assuming we don’t pull off Rowand for Bradley (which I’d be in favor of) we have Schierholtz, Bowker, Rowand, Torres, Lewis. Platoon Lewis and Torres in left. Despite all the shit Lewis has got recently (and I’ve dished it out myself) the fact remains he has a career .286/.362/.443 line against RHP. Torres has proven to mash lefties, and that’s all that should be asked of him next year (and of course playing his usual stellar defense). Schierholtz and Bowker can duke it out in RF, and they both can move around the outfield if necessary due to injury/ineffectiveness, so there should be enough at bats for all the outfielders.
-Another thing adding Delgado does is it allows Garko to see some time at catcher. I read some discussion about it on this site and apparently Garko was moved to 1B not because of lack of catching skills but because he was blocked by Victor Martinez. Garko would be able to see playing time as a lefty masher off the bench (.313/.392/.495 career line against lefties) and at catcher sharing some time with Posey. Keeping Garko would be a benefit because it affords us the luxury to sit Delgado more to keep him fresh, particularly against LHP. Last point on Delgado: I will forever be grateful to him for the HR he bombed against Benitez a couple years back that finally got that fat lop of shit off our team. Delgado will forever have his place in Giants history because of that shot, and it would be awesome for him to end his brilliant career in SF to help our young, talented team make a playoff push. Our 1-4 would be Lewis/Sanchez/Sandoval/Delgado, I think that’s legit. In summation, Delgado would improve the offense, allow us to utilize Garko effectively to maximize his value, and finally give us a chance to see what our young outfielders can do.
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No doubt the Giants would have been in the playoffs this year had we signed Ibanez, we can’t let another opportunity like that slip away
No doubt? Not really.
Ibanez post-All Star Break
.232 / .326 / .448
NOT CLUTCH!!!!!
(Sadly still would’ve been one of our best hitters with that line)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Really?
you don’t think replacing our team LF line of .261/.332/.411 with .272/.347/.552 would have got us to the playoffs? We only missed the Wild Card by 4 games…
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If you take into account that Ibanez is a poor defender, it probably wouldn’t make up 4 wins on its own.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
lol. Well it’s not like Lewis is that great of a defender either.
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by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Great? no.
Good enough? yes
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 28, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ibanez was somehow in positive UZR territory this year. Not sure how that happened.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
what most people don’t know about this play is that he was actually trying to throw the baserunner out at the elusive 5th base. it’s still a huge point of contention in Seattle as to whether or not he got him.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
Raul Ibanez = 4.1 WAR
Fred Lewis = 0.9 WAR
Eugenio Velez = 0.2 WAR
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
And this was not exactly a year you would have expected from Ibanez, as he’s, like, 37 and his previous career high in WAR was 2.9
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
And we’d have to have him for two more years, right?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
at like $12 mil a year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
3 years/$31.5 million
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
if we’d given a 37 year old that kind of contract last offseason i can’t even begin to imagine what the shitstorm on here would have been like oh god
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Wow
The only difference between the Giants being in the playoffs and being home was a Raul Ibanez? Crappy second half aside, I would argue he sees way better pitches in a team chock full of Rollins, Utley, Howard, Victorino, and Werth over a team chock full of Pablo Sandoval. I don’t think he gets anywhere near his Philly numbers as a Giant. Except Ks. He’s a true Giant in that department!
I don’t think any one hitter would have made a difference on this team.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants + Albert Pujols = playoffs. I’m quite confident in that….
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Also Giants+Hanley Ramirez, Giants+Chase Utley, Giants+Matt Kemp, Giants+Ben Zobrist, etc. One exceptional hitter, all year long, and there’s a pretty good chance we make it (really, anyone who provided more than 4 WAR over whatever we got from the position they played, which is easy to do from several positions).
I'll disagree
I think you put Albert in our lineup he just gets pitched around all the time so Rowand or Benji will swing at a ball thrown into the dugout to end the inning. We had one of the greatest hitters of all time in our lineup for years and were consistently full of fail. I think we almost made the playoffs this year DESPITE our shitty offense and manager.
Go look at the players listed above then look at the lineups that surround them. Stats like WAR are misleading, players will be approached differently and approach the game differently based on who they around surrounded by. Why pitch to Pujols when the rest of the team has the worst O-swing % in the league and will consistently hit into DPs if they aren’t swing at balls thrown at their face or legs?
Giants are not one batter closer to a championship. Believe it!
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn’t matter if he gets pitched around – if he does, that puts him on base. So instead of Rowand coming up with a .289 OBP hitter in front of him (so said hitter is not on base), Rowand comes up with Pujols on base. It leads to a lot more runs. That’s how we scored 4.63 runs in 2006 compared to just 4.06 this year – our lineup around Bonds in 2006 was at least as bad, but even though he got pitched around, it still lead to a lot of runs. WAR might not take that context into account, but the difference in the end number of runs isn’t as big as you think.
An extra half a run a game would (difference in 2006 and 2009) would have given us an extra 8 wins or so this year. Adding Pujols would have made a huge difference. Plus we still have Sandoval to pair with him…
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Pujols benefit comes in him driving in runs, not walking. “Instead of Rowand coming up with a .289 OBP hitter in front of him (so said hitter is not on base), Rowand comes up with Pujols on base.” Either way Rowand K’s or grounds into a DP. Our problem wasn’t getting runners on base, it was driving them in consistently.
My main problem with WAR is it doesn’t take into account the player’s environment. A 2009 Ibanez’s numbers would most likely differ from team to team (he would not have had his power numbers in SF orange and black, guaranteed).
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Our problem wasn’t getting runners on base, it was driving them in consistently.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
No.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Ok, so we sucked getting them on. But we also sucked getting them around. And sucked at touching the ball with a bat.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We didn’t suck getting them around, though. We just sucked getting them on. Really. You can’t drive in runners who aren’t on base.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You also can’t drive in runners when you swing at balls thrown at your face or legs or 5 ft outside the zone.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is part of being bad at getting on base.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. Our offense as a whole sucked at getting on and getting runners over once they managed to get on. Which leads me back to my main point: one batter wouldn’t have sprung us into the World Series.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Oct 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it would have. One hitter that puts up a crazy WAR would have sprung us right into the playoffs. One pitcher that puts up a crazy WAR would have sprung us right into the playoffs. If Zack Greinke had been on the team all year, we would have made the playoffs. Same for Felix Hernandez or Cliff Lee or Verlander or Halladay or, like I said, anyone who put up 4 WAR more than the person they replaced. That’s the way WAR works.
Admittedly, Pujols wouldn’t be as effective as he would in, say, the Phillies lineup; he got better when Holliday showed up to protect him. But the opposing pitchers can’t just walk him every time; putting a runner on base that consistently leads to trouble for them. Having someone to protect a good hitter is also important; if you’ve got one guy who can hit (Sandoval) all you have to do his get him out and you’re clear through the lineup. But if you have a second great hitter/pitcher, you also have to deal with them, so IBB just makes it easier for the other team to score in the case of hitters, and having a 2nd ace (or 3rd) makes running through the first ace that much harder. And having a guy THAT good makes your lineup legit; the Cardinals were basically Pujols and Holliday with wOBAs of .449 and .423. Their next best (regular) hitter was Yadier Molina with a wOBA of .337, which is good but not great. And the Cardinals weren’t a bad offensive team, mostly because of Pujols’ godliness and Holliday’s tear. You put a 8.4 WAR (Pujols) player in our lineup and we’re golden.
Also, we were pretty good at getting runners over once they were on. Despite sporting a MLB-worst .305 wOBA and .309 OBP (which makes us the worst at getting runners on) we were only 5th worst in terms of total runs scored. Fangraphs has our “clutch” at +2.68, 6th-best in the majors. So, conclusions:
1. A gamebreaking player like Pujols, Hanley, Utley, Zobrist, Mauer, Verlander, Halladay, or Greinke puts us in the playoffs by replacing a mediocre to bad player in the lineup with one of the game’s best.
2. The Giants were “clutch” to the best stat-tracking site on the web. Whether “clutch” exists or not, both OBP vs. R and “clutch” say the Giants did pretty well when it came to driving guys in; they just couldn’t get them on.
My main problem with WAR is it doesn’t take into account the player’s environment. A 2009 Ibanez’s numbers would most likely differ from team to team (he would not have had his power numbers in SF orange and black, guaranteed).
I think you have a misunderstanding here. WAR doesn’t take environment into account insomuch as Ibanez will drive more runners in/score more often with his production in the Phillies lineup than the Giants, because the Phillies will actually get on base in front of him and then drive him in when he gets on base more often than the Giants lineup. However, there’s no legitimate reason to think his park-adjusted production (WAR) would have been any different in the Giants lineup than the Phillies.
“Lineup protection”, frankly, is basically a load of BS. If the Giants lineup is so bad that walking Ibanez more often would be a good idea (and not a good idea if he was on the Phillies), that will actually increase Ibanez’s individual production, not decrease it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Think of the Lulz
with an infield of sandoval, renteria, velez (because Sanchez will probably be injured) and delgado
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
SWOOP
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by SoFa King Mike on Oct 28, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I look at Carlos Delgado 2010 and I see Ryan Klesko 2007.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
not even close. Klesko had already lost all his power by the time we got him he slugged .418 in his last full season before we signed him
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Petco Park
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I mean
it’s not a perfect comparison but I’d be wary about signing a late-30s LHH 1B and expecting him to hit .390/.520.
I like Delgado a lot too, fwiw. I probably wouldn’t be opposed if we can get him on the cheap. Hey, Klesko actually was a pretty useful player for half a season.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Look at the stats. IN 2005 Klesko actually slugged better at petco that year than on the road.
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
the petco response wasn’t srs
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’ll have to get better at reading your sarcasm. But i’m glad i’m not alone in having interest in Delgado
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ryan Klesko comparison wasn’t actually meant to be a negative one – just that there is some risk involved.
How quickly we forget that Klesko hit .295/.385/.477 in the first half that year…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I really liked him for that first half! Then he completely fell apart, but…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I think he started to get hung up on his low HR totals and started to close his eyes and swing harder.
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needs more whining and helmet throwing
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't forget
:/
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How could you forget Natto?
HOW?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Nobody forgets Natto!
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Not to mention a 211/.328/.323 in the 2nd half. The man was clearly in decline
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Oct 28, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Delgado's 2009 second half
.000 / .000 / .000
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I guess I would too. Mostly, though, I just really, really, really wish we could get a long-term solution at first base who can actually hit like a first baseman. HOW HARD IS IT AFTER SIXTEEN YEARS GUYS!!!!?!???
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Number disagreement.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
agree 100%. Well, maybe not 100%, because I was very ok with the JT Snow era (clearly not a great offensive threat but on a team with Bonds and Kent in their primes he didn’t have to be) but since then I have no idea what we’ve been doing… it’s like we’re not even trying to fill that position with a competent bat.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 28, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
there was no need for the Bonds/Kent Giants to have a 1B that could actually, you know, hit because after all, THEY WON THE WORLD SERIES EVERY FREAKING YEAR.
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That’s not fair, the early 2000s Giants were amazingly gifted offensively, and JT wasn’t a bad hitter so much as a mediocre offense first baseman (the premium position for finding hitting). But he was still a good, not great, hitter, and he saved plenty of runs with that glove. Besides, we made the playoffs plenty of times, and once you’re in everyone knows it’s a crapshoot. If you really wanted to improve those teams, you would’ve gotten better pitching in the bullpen.
The two strangest things that have ever happened in baseball…
2004 JT Snow: .327/.429/.529 He was a monster at the plate for one season…at age 36.
2004 Adrian Beltre: Fangraphs has WAR back to 2002…Beltre is the only other player besides Bonds to put up double digit WAR in a season…
Something was going on in 2004, and I’m not sure what it was…
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions
2004 was the International Year of Rice. So I can only assume that MLB players were eating more rice, which made them better at playing baseball.
Alternately, that was a year in which strange explosions happened, so it’s not tough to imagine that these guys had offensive explosions by way of convection.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Sabean, ladies and gentlemen! Take a bow, Brian!
by AndOnTheDrums... on Oct 28, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
Ugggggggghhhhhhhhhh. In the 03-04 offseason, I remember clearly thinking to myself, “Well, of course they’ll make Nathan (with his .575 OPS-against) the closer next year, and they’ll make Yorvit (with his passable stick and excellent D) Benito’s successor. Those would be fine, homegrown plug-ins, and would be paid less than a mil each – which would save a lot of money, which we could spend on other needs – like a big bat from a corner infield spot to bat behind Barry.”
But Sabean, of course, had much better ideas. When he pulled his trade-of-the-century, I thought to myself, “Well that was hella dumb – trading two cheap guys who should have been key pieces for next year.”
And the next off-season, I thought to myself, “Well, Carlos Delgado – that’s exactly precisely what the Giants have been needing for years now – a, ummm, big bat from a corner infield spot to bat behind Barry.” It made sense – too much sense. Sabes bleated something about not being able to afford Delgado.
Well, Delgado signed with the Fish for $52m/4y. We, on the other hand, signed Blownitez for $21m/3y for 05-07, spent $2.6m/2y to make Matt Herges our closer in 04, $3.5m to Pierzynski in 04 and then Matheny to $9m/3y the next year, $3m for half a year of Latroy Hawkins in 05 (Francisco Liriano would of course have been just as good a choice), $3.5m for Snow to play first base 04-05 and then $2.7m for half a season of the Hindenberg, $1.8m/2y for Mark Sweeney, $1.75/1y for Klesko – at all adds up.
It all adds up to about $49m, actually, or just a little less then Delgado’s 05-09 contract.
Here we see on display two classic Sabean patterns:
1. Going for various small fish rather than the one big bat that could have complimented Barry (see also, “Guerrero, Vladimir”). Let’s hope he doesn’t do the same thing as Panda continues to improve.
2. A pathological unwillingness, before recently, to trust homegrown players
I would have much rather, from 04 onwards, had Nathan as closer (making peanuts), Yorvit behind the plate (making peanuts), and Delgado at first and batting fourth (and making bank). And I thought so at time time.
So. No. I don’t wanna see Carlos Delgado play in the Orange and Black in 2010. Yes, his bat might be able to actually improve the team. But seeing him here would mostly just make me sad. I wanted us to go get him back when he was actually, you know, really good.
You forgot Moises Alou..
Although he was a good player.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
No.
37 years old, I smell a break down.
LH Power bat. Although I know Power is somewhat important on both sides, we really need a RH Power bt with our cash. I forsee Delgado getting a hit into triples alley and only barely getting to second where if he were RH it would be gone.
Then again, fuck work let’s drink!
LOL Garko at catcher. Are you serious? Victor Martinez was never a very good defensive catcher and has a well-earned reputation for not being able to throw out runners (career rate: 24%, ML average: 30%). And for the past three seasons the Tribe has had the corpse of Travis Hafner at DH and no one of consequence – other than Mr Garko – at first. If Garko’s defense was better than Martinez’ – which shouldn’t have been that hard – then Garko would have been the catcher as there would have been no change in offensive production. Garko was a bad defender in college and has never been taken seriously as a professional catcher because of that.
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Garko won national collegiate catcher of the year in 05
He can’t have been that bad.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Mark Kotsay won the Golden Spikes award as a closer, maybe we can sign him and trade Brian Wilson
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 28, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Tim Hudson hit .400 with 20+ homers as a centerfielder. GIT UR DUN SABEZ!
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He was absolute masher in college. He played in the CWS all four years he was at Stanford and was the best hitter on two of those teams, teams that also had Carlos Quentin. That’s why he won the award, not because of his crap defense.
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I'd take Delgado
or Troy Glaus, because I think you can get either for 1 yr at 2m w/ a lot of performance based incentives. Of course I would much rather have a young first baseman in his 20’s but this is a good alternative. Since the only other option I see is Sabean giving five years to Matt Stairs to provide power.
by theimmortalbenard on Oct 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions
I like Delgado
I think he is part of the little power available in FA, and infielder power, and and lefty power that doesnt have Russell Branyan type issues/questions.
First – anyone got the Bill James projections for Delgado? That would be pretty useful in deciding whether he’s too old or not. Second – we need to evaluate how much better Delgado’s production would be then what we currently have (so projections would be useful for this point). I tend to think it’s unlikely he’ll provide much of an upgrade, so I don’t think he’ll be worth the money.
Next – Fred Lewis is a full time starter. If you’re platooning Torres somewhere, it’s with Schierholtz/Bowker.
Another point – Can Garko catch? According to Jim Callis of BA, “Nope. He was always shaky back there.”
He’s coming off an injury and he’s 37? PERFECT!
Seriously, after reading that I didn’t need to read anything else. No thanks.
F. the Lewis.
be sure
to cut all other 1B from the roster, just to make sure he’s the ONLY available player. Just to be sure.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Or have the backup play another position of need! Like catcher.
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by say hey nation on Oct 30, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rainman Likes This Idea!
Assuming the contract that gets him signed as a Giant is reasonable of course.
/reads first sentence
//vomits
///resumes reading
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 28, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
Signing mediocre guys for too much the pattern over signing really good guys for true value or bargain bucks.
The post which went into detail about this pattern of Sabean is so true. He got away with it when he traded a stud like matt williams for a bunch of mediocre players, but the stars were shining bright on Sabes that time, because Kent turned out to be somewhat of a stud when given the chance to play and hit in front of or behind Barry Bonds. How about we get rid of Rowand and allow Bowker, Schierholtz, Lewis, Torres and Velez to patrol our outfield next year.
Definitely worth a shot at the right price.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
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Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
Sign Delgado
Trade Sanchez+Ishikawa for Curtis Granderson
Trade Rowand for Bradley
1. Granderson CF
2. Sanchez 2B
3. Bradley RF
4. Sandoval 3B
5. Delgado 1B
6. Posey C
7. Schierholtz/Bowker LF
8. Renteria SS
1. Lincecum
2. Cain
3. Zito
4. Penny
5. Bumgarner
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why the heck would the Tigers do that trade
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