Japan or AAA?
by GiantPain on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
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As we scramble for any offensive upgrade, many of us include Japan in our searchings and fawn over players like Aoki.
But how good of an indicator are one's numbers in Japan? To wit, the question that this post is asking:
Lets say we have a prospect in AAA, putting up good numbers. He plays X position, and his line is .250/.350/.450. Not too bad, he might be ready for the majors.
But oh wait. There's a Japanese player in the NPB over there who some people think is interested in crossing the pond. He also plays X position, and his line is ALSO .250/.350/.450
For the sake of simplicity, lets assume they cost the same amount of money (though that would never happen).
If a player in the Japanese league and a AAA player put up the same numbers, which is more likely to succeed in MLB?
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My guess is that the level of play in the Japanese leagues is higher than that of Triple-A, but that the less tangible barriers (language, style of play, comfort level) may make the transition from the NPB to the MLB more difficult.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 26, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also
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-Green Wasabi
-Crushed dreams of ever becoming a Ham Fighter
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEIR NAME IS FIGHTERS
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by Natto on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never let the truth get in the way of an amusing meme.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
words to live by.
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by beat_la_25 on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nippon-Ham Fighters (my mistake)
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by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they also have “Toyo Carp”. I can’t wait to see the Giants pay 6 millions for some Toyo Carp.
by DJ Tofu on Oct 26, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Carp have a “Ball dog” who brings the baseballs to the umps.
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by Natto on Oct 26, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess spit balls are legal
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by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Looks like he passed away in April of this year though. :(
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by Natto on Oct 26, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea, but I know this information exists somewhere (though I’m not sure that somewhere includes “free on the internet”). It’d be nice to include some research if you’re going to bring the topic up…
by Missing Barry on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume he wouldn’t have brought it up if he had already found convincing evidence one way or the other.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 26, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
So any time someone has a question where the answer is somewhere out on the interwebs, they better not ask it here at McC or they’ll have you to answer to.
Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
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by Goofus on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just trying to encourage higher quality discussion. What’s the point of polling a bunch of people, who like myself, don’t actually know the answer when we can find the information and present it to educate everyone? I’m also lazy and don’t want to do it myself, so I figure if someone’s going to do a fanshot to present the topic, it’d be nice if they found us some of the research on the topic to go with it…
Or we could just speculate unknowingly and start theories based on nothing at all so they can be repeated in the future as facts….
by Missing Barry on Oct 26, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Or we could just speculate unknowingly and start theories based on nothing at all so they can be repeated in the future as facts….”
That sounds oddly like a Giants front office staff meeting…
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by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Oct 26, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that players from Japan take a season or two to fully reach their potential in MLB. I guess that’s not so dissimilar from players making the jump from AAA to the majors.
by deuce deuce on Oct 26, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The comparison is almost impossible without more information, because solid prospects in AAA are, in most cases, 23 y-o or younger, and in their first year at that level, while players in Japan who move to the US are around 27 y-o, and have spent at least 6 years in the same level. I think one of the main reasons so many Japanese players disappointed when they came to the US is that people forgot that they’re not really “prospects” – they’re probably at or past their prime, and are pretty likely to decline even without moving to a tougher league. That’s very different for minor leaguers, who can make up for the move to a tougher league by improving their skills.
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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s basically what I came here to say.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 26, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question should be which players are more likely to score…with the hottest babes?
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by Goofus on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately we have no tool to measure hotness.
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by ResDog on Oct 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. Steve Phillips was a failure.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 26, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been working on a sexmometer for years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking back, I probably should not have put the letters s-e-x right next to the letters m-o-m.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight is always 20/20 because errybody likes looking at butts.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this'll help
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by groug on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we must assume that they are the same age.
by bradleybear on Oct 26, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Performing in big stadiums in front of big crowds
is a plus for the NBP experience.
by hokysmksbw on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Average NPB Atttendance= 25,000
Average MLB Attendance= 30,200
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by say hey nation on Oct 27, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Oakland.
SF was 10th with 35k/game
LAD 46,440
NYY 45,918
PHI 44,453
STL 41,275
LAA 40,005
CHC 39,611
NYM 39,118
BOS 37,811
MIL 37,499
SFG 35,335
10 teams under 25K/Game
SDP 23,699
BAL 23,545
TOR 23,162
TBR 23,148
WSN 22,435
KCR 22,196
CLE 21,805
CIN 21,579
PIT 19,480
FLA 18,075
OAK 17,392
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by say hey nation on Oct 28, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than the Marlins?! Hahahahaha
by Missing Barry on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs more tarps
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by natteringnabob on Oct 30, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that there are teams that average more attendance than we even offer.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
% Capacity
LAD 82.9%
NYY 88.6%
PHIL! 103%
SF 85%
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by say hey nation on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suck It, Dodgers!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Oakland is that high?
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by SFGuy on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thirty seconds of research
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1330
(money shot : ""the Japanese leagues have clearly and consistently rated as tougher than the American Triple-A leagues.")
by SnowLeopard on Oct 26, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great! This is what I was going for all along…
by Missing Barry on Oct 26, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought of posting the link in the thread above, so as to support the good points you were making …
by SnowLeopard on Oct 26, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or try these . . .
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=49089
http://baseballguru.com/bbjp1.html
http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/01/19/major-league-equivalencies/
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8558
And in general, lots more via a simple Google of:
japanese baseball stats OR statistics equivalent
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by owlcroft on Oct 26, 2009 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You win this round
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 26, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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