I’M GLAD THEY EXTENDED SABEAN
by Walter Guest on Oct 24, 2009 6:14 PM PDT
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PrintYeah. That was me. I’m the one. Maybe the only guy who wanted to see Sabean extended. Why? Well think about it, in the Giant chain of command who is the guy that knows the least about baseball? Who is the only amateur? Right, the Giant CEO, William Neukom. The Nuke Man.
I didn’t want a complete amateur deciding who was going to run the Giants for the next few years if there was a change. Remember a few years ago when the Dodgers hired for GM am idiot who went around saying he was “the new sheriff in town?” Then the clown undermined his manager at every turn.
KC just extended their disaster of a GM for two years.
I didn’t trust the Nuke Man to make a smart choice for a new GM.
Sabean is only half bad. That’s better than all bad.
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NOT AS GOOD AS PIE
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
WHAT ABOUT PIE WITH ICE CREAM?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
That’s like having a team with pitching AND offense.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
NOT POSSIBLE
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
THE GIANTS WAY
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I don’t know what that sandwich tastes like, so I’m going to keep eating this shit sandwich. I mean, that sandwich could be an AIDS sandwich, and then where would I be?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 24, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
With Buster Posey as your starting catcher.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 24, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
There is a pretty clear pile of non-AIDS sandwiches. One of them might secretly have AIDS, but if you just lift the bread and make sure that’s avocado, and not AIDS, then you’ll be fine.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Does the AIDS sandwich come with a Protease Inhibitor shake or a nucleotide reverse transcriptase inhibitors bar?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Good bye, Mr. Chips.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Nah, I’ll pass. Erik Estrada is annoying!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sealab 2002 (Adult Swim)
The vastly less annoying Estrada.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 26, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes one of us
Oh you covered that
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
I hope Mrs. Sabean (a.k.a. Marvin Benard) can handle Brian’s “extension”…
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Oct 24, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions
“To extend Sabean”… that’s the opposite of extending good wishes, right?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
I wish our GM would undermine our manager.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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He could just become the manager.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
The players would wear bow ties?
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
Chicken meatball and tortellini soup
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Porkchops
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I went to a new-ish burger joint. It was good.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Big Kahuna Burger? That’s that Hawaiian burger joint.
/can’t believe there are people who haven’t seen Pulp Fiction (to refer to a running McC thread)
by non sequitur on Oct 24, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
A whopper?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
A royale with cheese.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 26, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Claim Jumper
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Togo's
So, lazy man’s sandwich.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
It must be hard to eat soup while shaking your head with your hand on your face.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Molina wants his bib back.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 24, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad I watched South Park this week
I love Cartman.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions
What are your feelings on Bobby Abreu?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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OT: Anybody seen Modern Family?
Funniest dysfunctional family since Arrested Development.
by Lisa Stevens on Oct 24, 2009 9:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I agree
Arrested Development was much funnier and written better, however. I rate Arrested Development in the TOP 10 TV series of all time
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
I like it so far.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Oct 24, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
unless you are actually Lisa Stevens
that is possibly the best username I have ever seen. Ever.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
I’m pleasantly surprised by how good it is. I originally tuned in because of Al Bundy and because Sophie Vergara is damn hot, but now I watch it every week on its own merits. I told my wife that couple reminds me of us, because I’m fifteen years older than my wife, and she’s a beautiful Latin woman like Sophie Vergara is. I thought she would take it as a compliment, but she immediately replied, “oh, you think she’s beautiful, huh?” Wow, I walked right into that one!
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
I’m loving the show. This week’s episode was pretty great. I mean, it’s not AD, but it does fill the void with Scrubs off the air now (I know they’re filming more episodes, but I really don’t expect it to be nearly as good). Phil pisses me off, but Mitchell and Cam are effing hilarious. And Sofia Vergara is gorgeous.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I'm enjoying that
And “Community”. Which means they are both due for cancellation by midseason.
What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?
Community got picked up for a full season, I think!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The wife and I have really been enjoying Community.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren’t the FJM guys writers for parks and recreation?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Ken Termendous (Michael Schur) is. He’s also a writer on The Office and Mose Schrute.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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He’s Mose? Hmmm….I think I wish I didn’t know that. Paints FJM in a new light for me (and it’s not a good thing)…
by Missing Barry on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The dark-haired guy in all those Sonic ads won an Emmy writing for Colbert.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Which is why whenever I watch P&R, I get the distinct feeling that I’m watching The Office, just in a different setting. You can even see the obvious links between characters. Amy Poehler is Steve Carell, Brendanawicz is Jim, Ann (Rashinda Jones) is Pam. Aziz Ansari is just hilarious.
Anyways, I like the show a lot, I just wish it wasn’t so similar to The Office.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
I’m pretty sure Junior (Alan Yang) wrote at least one of the Parks and Recreation episodes too.
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Oct 27, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it was just the episode I saw, but I wasn’t too impressed with Community. It felt real forced and I just couldn’t connect with the main guy. I guess I’ll have to give it another shot.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yeah, Parks and Rec is bad. Which is such a shame because the cast is pretty good. But it is a bad show.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Speaking AD, if you have IFC, they are running the entire series beginning tonight at 7 PM PT.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I'll show you my extended sabean.....
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
RIGHT HERE
/grabs crotch
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OUCH!
/removes howie’s hand from my crotch
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Sorry
It had to be done.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to tell Grant on you!!!
/gets ignored
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
So you’re basically saying no owner should ever change GMs because they don’t know baseball? Only GMs should be able to fire… themselves? I could sure go for some of that job security in my life.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions
yeah, how hard is it for an owner to pick a new GM? Even if Neukom knew little about baseball, he would choose from a pool of available GM’s, he wouldn’t hire some unqualified buddy of his for the job. Besides, it doesn’t take a baseball PhD to figure out that the guy who has been in charge previously has built a terrible offense and he would listen to the plans of prospective candidates about what they would do to fix it.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
to give sabean the blame for terrible offense obligates you to also give him credit for a world series caliber pitching staff and a very promising farm system. None of those things are entirely sabean’s work.
I can give Brian Sabean credit for his continued employment of Dick Tidrow, just like I can give him discredit for never hiring anyone who is able to scout hitters or for not trusting those that do.
The point is that, while there are people within the organization that deserve a ton of credit or discredit for the successes and failures of this team, Sabean is the boss. The on-field product is his responsibility in every way. He hires the scouts, the coaches and the players. If they succeed, that’s his success, too. If they fail, he has to share their failure.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 25, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
/wipes barf from keyboard
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions
Curious
anyone have any ideas who we would run out there instead of Sabean? Are there any top-shelf GMs in the waiting, or would you propose giving some talented unknown the job.
Because I agree that a change might be a good thing, but I am curious what you all think that change would look like. I’ve heard people say Sabean kept his job basically because there was no one else to replace him and because the owner wouldn’t have the insight to find someone else.
~me
Kevin Towers is an option. But there are various other front-office guys I’d like to see: Jed Hoyer (who is now the Pads’ GM and worked for the Red Sox before; anyone who was taught by Theo Epstein is good enough for me)
Sorry, accidentally hit post.
We could look at internal options; some of the scouting directors sure seem good enough to run the whole team. DiPoto from AZ is supposed to be ready for a GM position, as is Kim Ng in LA (but I don’t want any former Dodgers’ execs, especially not the apprentice of the apprentice of Sabean). Maybe try and steal the Rays’ assistant GM, or the Marlins’. Basically look at teams who have performed well with their minor league systems, had major league success with small payrolls, and bring them over. Hopefully that would translate to more success as increased payroll flexibility would help them fill holes intelligently.
Sandy Alderson
Though he may no longer be available if, as I read, he’s tied up with a group trying to buy the Rangers . . . .
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Sorry, we traded him for Sanchez.
Too soon?
QUIT TRYING TO STEAL MY SHTICK!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
The issue with Sabean
Is his absolute inability to adapt. If you look at his full tenure with the Giants, he hasn’t been all that bad. From 97 to 03 we were a great team (although Sabean lucked into having one of the greatest players who ever lived in Bonds) but as we’ve fallen into mediocrity Sabean continues to use the same dated strategies as GM. He still signs players past their prime (Renteria and Johnson last offseason,) still hasn’t learned how to apply modern baseball statistics and sabermetrics, still doesn’t value the minor leagues. When he makes a mistake signing/trade he’s too stubborn and egotistical to admit it and tries to stick with the mistake even if it hurts the team. He was able to get away with those things 6 or 7 years ago, but the game has changed and we don’t have Bonds anymore. The dynamics of the entire MLB and the the Giants as a team have completely shifted, but it seems as if Sabean hasn’t noticed.
Currently, we have a nice little 5 year window in which we can succeed. With Lincecum, Cain, and Sandoval we have an excellent core, but who knows how long we’ll have them? I’m afraid we might waste the next 2 years with Bochy and Sabean at the helm because of their inability to adapt. Yes, there are worse GM’s than Sabean, but that does NOT mean Sabean is a good GM
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Oct 25, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, there are worse GM’s than Sabean
I don’t think you meant to pluralize this? Dayton Moore is singular.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I would've said J.P Ricciardi
But then I realized he was recently fired. Considering the baseball intellect he has, Ricciardi was a horrible GM for the Jays.
I guess you could throw in every Pirates GM from the last 16 years, but now that you mention it, there really aren’t many GMs that I can think of that have done a poorer job than Sabean
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even think the Padres GM’s have been bad – I think you can make a case Towers did a decent job overall. Their biggest problem is their payroll, it just isn’t where it needs to be to sustain a competitive level….
by Missing Barry on Oct 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
BILLY MAYS HERE...
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"He-a vun’t pley unteel he-a gets sume-a mejur leegooe-a ixpereeence-a."
There are better GM's than Sabean
The idea is to avoid the guys/gals who would be worse, lets try not to hire one who would be about the same, (hired the same) and try to hire one who would be better, hopefully a lot better. That would seem to be the plan. Not someone who listens to a scout that says the guy looks great, he has a lot of potential, his best obp so far is 289, but he is a potential 5 tool player, he has 2 tools already and he is only 26. How about a 5 tool GM. One who can think, chew gum, and make seriously better decisions than the GM we have just rehired.
by bradleybear on Oct 26, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Like this mysterious fellow?
(many a tool line his bag of tricks)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 26, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing Sabean get extended...
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by jordanovich on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Brain Trust is betraying you guys
Sabean’s not the best but he’s far from the worst.
Then again, I"m sure you’d all be better GMs, or at least know who would.
Nobody likes money
Said it already upthread:
Sandy Alderson. But by now there must be a good number of people fairly high in one or another front office who can recite the three letters O-B-P.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
(btw this is flawed logic)
We’re not in a position to know who is and isn’t available, nor are we able to interview these people to get a read on their beliefs on how to build a baseball team. That doesn’t mean we can’t tell that Sabean is bad at his job. It’s pretty obvious he is.
And to say he’s not the worst is just more faulty logic. Sure, he’s not the worst, but you’d at least want a GM who is above average. There is no way Sabean is better than 15 other GM’s.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
This reminds me of the Critic episode where they show a clip of Jay Sherman saying, “…and that’s why I’m glad that the Beatles broke up!” Maybe two other people here know what I’m talking about.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I watched through the series a little while back because I remembered it so fondly. It hasn’t aged well. The less time frame dependant jokes were still funny though.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot of the humor was topical (like Michael Dukakis and Murphy Brown jokes), but there are still some good gags that are relevant.
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The funny thing is that by extending Sabean and Bochy, Mr. Bow-tie pretty much proved that he doesn’t know anything about baseball.
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