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Bill James 2010 Projections - Part One: Hitters

It's always tricky to forecast hitting performances. Well, usually. Luckily for us, we follow the Giants. Take the league average hitter, decrease the rate stats by about 10%, lop off a bunch of extra base hits, and poof! Now you have Giants projections that work for almost every non-panda on the roster. Magic!

If you want science instead of magic, you can take a gander at the Bill James 2010 projections. Last year, these hitter projections were really, really optimistic. Either they've fixed that this year, or the Giants are even worse than we imagine. It's probably the latter, but I'm choosing to believe the former. After the jump, I have all of the 2010 hitter projections for the Giants. They aren't for children or people with heart conditions.

Note that these all come from this book, which you can also order directly from the publisher. The FEC or FDA or some crap is requiring that bloggers disclose any freebies they get for putting up post. So I'd like to disclose that I got a free book for putting up a post that I would have put up without a free book. I also got Bill James to appear at my daughter's first birthday party, but that was because I also paid him a nominal fee. Sure, laugh about it now, but you won't be laughing once I can rank a bunch of babies by "Slobber Created/24".

Star-divide



Going alphabetically, obviously. Burriss couldn't really hit last year, but that's okay because everyone expected that. Everyone. Me, you, my cats, Burriss's family members. Everyone except Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy, who were just tickled by Burriss's spring stats. I'm sure they have big plans for him this year, too.



Here he is: the second-best hitter on the 2010 Giants. But I'm sure that Mr. James didn't know that Garko struggled in his first 80 at-bats as a Giant. Maybe I should e-mail him. The revised prediction would be something like .250/.300/.300, I'm sure. Nothing is a better predictor of future success than a random sampling of 80 at-bats.

The book makes it clear that they err on the side of more playing time rather than less playing time, so on a team with miserable first base production, they're gambling that Guzman gets a shot. I'd rather have Guzman and Scott Barnes, but you knew that.

As a lefty option off the bench and a late-inning replacement for Garko, he has his place on the team. He shouldn't be a factor, though, if the Giants want to upgrade.

Maybe the dream really is over, though it should be noted that most of the Lewis love 'n' optimism on this site comes in the comments section. I've never really been a believer. As a fourth outfielder, he's pretty danged nice to have. Of course, on a team planning to start Eugenio Velez, he should probably start, but you knew that.

I'm not sure what's more depressing, the idea that Posey might not be a top-o'-the-order force right away, or the idea that he'd still be a clear offensive upgrade from the last guy, who also happened to be the cleanup hitter.

Hmm. Maybe James didn't know that Renteria was injured for most of the year. And these projections certainly don't include any Magic Mentor Points, a category in which Renteria led the league. So this projection is obviously junk science.



I can't believe this contract isn't going to work out. It just seemed so logical at the time. Everyone here was just crazy about the deal.

What's important is that all of those hits will be acquired professionally. I still want Sanchez back for his combination of defense and positional average offense, not to mention that he wouldn't cost a draft pick, but I'm terrified that he's going to get a three-year deal.



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Another year, another quasi-optimistic prediction for Nate. He's a heckuva fourth outfielder on a good team.

That's a pretty nice center fielder, once defense is taken into account. I mean, just because guys like this are floating around in the minors doesn't mean that it's a bad thing that Rowand is still due $36M. He ran into a wall, people.

And this is just the beginning. Usually phenoms have a little bit of an adjustment period. I mean, Willie Mays only hit .274/.356/.472 in his first full season. Mickey Mantle only hit .267/.349/.443. And those guys weren't fast like Velez. Well, maybe they were, and maybe they combined their speed with an advanced sense of how to run the bases, but VRRRRROOOOOM!, Velez will take the eyebrows right off your face! And he's totally a good hitter now.

Pending free agents:

Whoops. How did Eliezer sneak in there? What a strange mistake. No matter. We all know that the offense will sputter without key cog Bengie Molina.

Maybe he isn't an obvious upgrade over Renteria. I'd still take the chance that he is, though.

Gee, with a power surge like that, maybe he should move from the third spot in the lineup to cleanup hitter. Get it done, Boch.

Not in the team picture: Kevin Frandsen and John Bowker. I'm not sure why, but I'll just guess that Bowker's projection is something like .350/.450/.650.

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VVVVVRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM

"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.

by beat_la_25 on Oct 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even on this team with this manager, I can’t imagine Rowand getting 575 at bats next year.

my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.

by hubert on Oct 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Projecting PT is pretty hard to do.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Projecting Molina triples…now that’s a different story.

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Oct 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

/Dean Wormer voice

Zero point zero.

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Projecting PT is pretty hard to do.

Looks like Bill chose to guess that Guzman gets the LF job though.

"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino

by achiappanza on Oct 27, 2009 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that depressed you, and it’s too early for you to start drinking, you may want to hang out here for the afternoon.

/starts_drinking

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, even though I really don’t care for the BJ projections, that Garko line is kinda heartening.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s really his numbers with Cleveland. Again, why didn’t he get more plate appearances?

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

BECAUSE HE FAILED (in 115 at-bats)

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

(with a .243 BABIP)

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

the BJ projections

Tee hee.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heading in the right direction!

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Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

James just projected Panda, looked at the rest of the offense, shuddered, and slapped a .265/.330/.400 with 8 home runs for everybody else.

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by norcalnick on Oct 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

good call

my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.

by hubert on Oct 23, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The projections for Renteria, Velez, and Winn actually look kind of optimistic to me. Which is sad.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I looked at Renteria’s projection and thought NOT BAD.

lolfesnse

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also think it’s probably the equivalent of eating terrible food for 4 years and then getting a hot dog.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man, now I want a hot dog.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I would be THRILLED if Renteria put up a .718 OPS, especially if it really came with the league-average OBP.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and assuming he’s an average defender too.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen assumptions so large outside a Sir Mixalot video

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s was average in ‘09. He’s always been close to average, give or take a few runs.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

give or take a few limbs, is what we should be thinking about

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I second that.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

They all look optimistic to me.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ladies’ man in the chess club. We don’t know how you got here, but maybe there’s something you can teach everyone around you.

Freakin’ brilliant! That is still making me smile even after reading the rest of the James projections.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

It is funny

But I’m not sure I really want the other guys adopting Pablo’s approach at the plate. The greatest possible indictment of this team’s offense has to be the fact that Pablito led the club in walks. A guy who swings at half the pitches he sees led the team in walks.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the approach the team seems to want. The ’09 Giants did have over 2000 PA ( yes 2k) from hitter with over a 50 Swing%. I agree it is not what I want but the appearance the team wants this makes the absurdity level laughably high.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

this should also be noted:

the rest of the giants DO follow pablo’s approach (i.e. swing at shit) and suck at it

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

These have Molina’s OBP being 30 points higher than his BA. That’s happened once (right on the nose) in the last three years. The other two: +22 and +20.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

“Doesn’t cheat the game.”
“He plays the game the right way.
“Fisted inot right field!”

I am sure at least one of those 3 apply.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if you were in this thread, but recently I worked out that Molina has half the walk rate of Vladimir Guerrero. And that’s career. Lately Molina’s rate has been even worse.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not too surprising. Vlad is hacker-ish but he’s always had average-to-above BB%’s. Molina just hacks and is unwilling to walk.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s just kind of sad when you have half the walk rate of perhaps the most iconic hacker of your generation.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is sad, but Vlad’s not as bad (at getting walks) as most assume. Career BB% of 8.9 which is slightly above-average. High of 13.8% in 2003 with the Expos. Consider this: In ’02 Vlad drew 84 walks in 709 plate appearances. Molina has 184 career walks in 4,743 career plate appearances.

That’s almost half of Molina’s career walks in a single season in just 15% of the same amount of playing time.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I guess some of Vlad’s BB totals are padded by his IBBs, but still my point remains.

I hate Bengie Molina.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Zetsuboushita on Oct 24, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you had his back and knees you would be crazy to want a BB

Especially since the rest of the lineup plays station-to-station.

by hokysmksbw on Oct 24, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome back, Brian! Congrats on the extension.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 24, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mind = Blown

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

And off-topic

Today is ANOTHER off-day in the playoffs? Geez, they’re really dragging this out, aren’t they?

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Game 4 WS Nov 1st!

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me the front page of Yahoo! Sports is picturing someone who just saw these projections as well:

He doesn’t know whether to be angry or cry.

by deuce deuce on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

In my mind he’s a pretty damn good coach by the way

by PiKAgiant on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter when you look that cool.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

he looks even cooler with the aviators on

by PiKAgiant on Oct 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could probably be a better manager for the Giants than we currently have.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s great on House.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donovan McNabb?

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

“What is wrong with you?!?”

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve loved him since his stellar acting performance in “The Program”

by sayheybk on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He drove Driving Ms. Daisy very professionally.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only Steeler fan in the McCoven?

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by NuschlerFace on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like them, but I’m not specifically a fan. I don’t care for Roethlesberger, but I think it’s admirable to see a franchise that really is run the right way (and doesn’t have many players I hate… like the Patriots).

That’s why when other 49ers fans were hating the Steelers because they were going to get to 6 SBs first, I was like, “Man, I wish our team was run like theirs. They deserve it.”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope

my dad grew up in Pittsburgh, so he brought fandom into the house

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

technically

i’m also a pirate fan.

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL YOU

bright side: the pirates manager is not bruce bochy
whiteside downside: the giants manager is bruce bochy

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's actually been fairly easy

I’ve never been put in a situation where i’d have to root against the pirates in a meaningful game, because they’re so awful.

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s actually been fairly easy
I’ve never been put in a situation where i’d have to root against I’ve been able to root for the pirates in a meaningful game, because they’re so awful.

Poor Pirates. They’ve always been a secondary favorite of mine, because I was on the Pirates in Little League and because I rooted so hard for them as a kid during those soul-crushing NLCS in the early 90s.

Schadendodgerfreude 2009!

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just meant that they’ve never played the giants in a series where it mattered if the pirates lost or not

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus the whole part about

Freddie Sanchez, Rajai Davis, John Vanderwall, Jason Schmidt, and Sir Barold Lamar Bonds.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

bring back Barry

moronic Giants Brass

by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I think s/he’s serious.

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

dirt cheap 20+ HRs and solid OBP, is that something you might be interested in?

by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

First, the reply button is useful.

Second, if they were going to do that, they’d have done it a long time ago.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, excuse the n00bery, realized that after i posted. and yes, i realize that would have been done already. the injustice of that situatio n kept me up last night for some reason

by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something I might be interested in

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, what can I say? too many great memories of my teenage years associated with that man. now I’m just a bitter old man

by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

too many great memories of my teenage years associated with that man.

TWSS

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m as serious as a heart attack, i can’t take another season of this offense

by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Might want to become a Yankees fan then.

by deuce deuce on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

VRRRRROOOOOM!, Velez will take the eyebrows right off your face!

LOL/sobs

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

With no eyebrows, make sure your hands are clean before facepalming.

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Warning: Post not approved for use by Owlcroft.

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL Natto from the Rowand thread:
Re: Our lineup calls for aid!
I’m a Molina fan, but if he’s our cleanup hitter by the time Opening Day rolls by, I’ll get physically ill.
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by Natto on Dec 13, 2007 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Note that was opening day 2007 :(

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

HE’S BEEN ILL FOR 2 YEARS

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE’S BEEN ILL FOR 2 3 YEARS

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Calendars are new to me

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

May I recommend the Mayan one

Blehhh!

by Giant Homer on Oct 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

good idea

it’s a nice short one to learn at this point

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean 08 but still.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t on MCC much that offseason, so I didn’t post there. My main memory of the Rowannd signing was seeing it and facepalming, and then later going on Facebook. The guy who ran some Giants fan group was so excited about it that he sent a message to all the group members with a subject something like, “Great News!” FAIL.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

HEY GUYS, I’M A PHILLIES FAN BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU’RE GOING TO LOVE AARON ROWAND!

I remember a lot of those.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, god, I got a few of those.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, god, those were classic.

by deuce deuce on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, i wasnt here yet, but damn, i’m so emphatic for having a guy who crashes into walls for a ball! HELL YEA I"M ECCITED

by PiKAgiant on Oct 23, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You ungrateful fucks

You watch this video, then you come back and talk shit about aaron rowand

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a pretty great catch

And the Giants gave Rowan a pretty dumb contract.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

/ debates if worth the time to search up link to crushing pennant race triple play.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

/watches video
/comes back to talk shit about Aaron Rowand

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, that was cool

Aaron Rowand is still not worth $12M a year.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I need to watch that game again.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

it would be funny if this were just a link to him swinging over a slider

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is, he probably cost his team runs by running into the wall. I suspect one non-catch would have been less important than the PT he missed because of it…

by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t watch the video before I posted, I assumed you meant breaking his nose catch….my bad.

by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, now that I watch that again, I’m pretty sure a lot of center fielders would make that catch.

Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Oct 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got those from everyone here. You what was funny though, is that none of them were upset he left.

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pertty sure it was just a whole fanbase playing a joke on us.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paid like a chef, cooks like Wendy.

by hokysmksbw on Oct 24, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chili as a finger food?

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it came with a finger once, right? So…finger food.

by kaliber on Oct 28, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

My first thought when we made that signing:
“Now we have five center fielders, yay!”

My second thought:
“They totally signed him to be the exact PR opposite of Barry.”

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I did!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whitesides gets no BJ love?

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

poor guy

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The gray hair doesn’t help him any. Needs Just for Men.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I WONDER IF HIS PUBES ARE GRAY

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE SHOULD USE JUST FOR MEN’S PUBES

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the carpet matches the pubes.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

"He doesn’t cheat the game."

"He plays the game the right way.

"Fisted into right field!"


I am sure at least one of those 3 applies here.

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Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

whiteside cheats the game more than bengie

yet he plays more than posey. but benie plays more than both of them, and posey plays less than both of them

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think maybe his tween daughters should pimp him out.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Panda will be cloer to 40 HRs than 24.

I’ll share other thoughts later if I have them.

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I can’t tell if this is serious or not.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He missed chance to to pile on a Richard joke above. I don’t think our Goofus is feeeling well.

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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Serious. Pablo averaged 5.5 HRs/month from June on. If he does that for a full season, he’ll hit 33.

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I’m not sure I consider 33 HRs “closer to 40” maybe closer to 30? That’s semantics though. I think Pablo is a 30 HR hitter in a really good year. I could see him settling into a good run of 20-25 HR seasons.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does this compute?
Difference between 33 and 24 = 9
Difference between 33 and 40 = 7

Plus, I think if his plate discipline continues to improve, he’ll see more good pitches where he can stay balanced and drive the ball. Pablo’s an amazing bad ball hitter, but it seems like most of his HRs came from balls in the stike zone.

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda thought you were saying he was a 40 HR guy too.

30, I can buy that.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

My projection for Sandoval

.472 / .694 / 1.026. 81 home runs.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

My projection

1.000/.995/4.000

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by Viliphied on Oct 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

But….but….that’s not possible!

by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure it is!

You can have an OBP lower than your AVG if you get more sacrifice flies/bunts than walks. Bengie Molina was in this category for quite a while early this season.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course he was.

ugh

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

But wouldn’t that give you less than a 4.000 SLG?

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, huh.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this is common sense, but y brain isn’t working, so can you elaborate?

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

SLG is total bases per AB’s.

Sacrifices don’t count as AB’s, so they don’t affect SLG.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, got it. Thought it was plate appearances.

But wait, would walks count still?

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Walks, like sacrifices, count as PA’s, but not as AB’s, which is why they affect OBP (non-outs per PA), but not AVG or SLG.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not in the team picture: Kevin Frandsen and John Bowker. I’m not sure why, but I’ll just guess that Bowker’s projection is something like .350/.450/.650.*
  • = In AAA Fresno.

Also, am I being unreasonable for thinking that BJ was being down on Pablo for only having him at the same numbers he put up this season?

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Nah, I would take Pablo’s 2009 season every single year.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking it was good that BJ projected consistency, but I can’t help but want a little more. I feel guilty.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sandoval’s 2009 was a +5 win season, that’s an All-Star year for any player. That’s pretty damn good.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not when Shane Victorino and Jayson Werth are in the league!

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol.

It’s sad because it’s true.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sandoval’s first half OBP and SLG were both like 40 points higher than Ryan Howard’s, too.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The great thing is that Charlie Manuel gets to choose again next year!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, imagine if Rollins has a good start… it could easily be Rollins, Utley, Howard, Werth, Victorino, Ibanez, and Lee

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

poor Pedro Feliz

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 24, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was pretty impressed to find that Sandoval’s 2009 was a better than Will Clark’s rookie year, and better than Barry Bonds’s season at the same age.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

Pablo had 40 lbs on both of them.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only 40!?

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing. Chances are, if Pablo is consistently this good over the next 5 years, he will probably have a year where he goes absolutely nuts and puts up a 1.050 OPS with 40 bombs. and 10 steals. I’m just greedy thats all. Let’s clone Pablo.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would take it, for sure, but it would be a little disappointing, considering he put up that line at age 23 and clearly improved over the course of the year, especially in terms of plate discipline. I would think a 1.000 OPS is a realistic expectation.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I can even call it a little disappointing. A +5 win season is something everyone should be really happy with every year. He’s still young but I don’t think it means he’s automatically due to get better.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to say I don’t think he could do a 1.000 OPS year but he’s going to have some things break for him.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

like taking more walks.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and keeping his BABIP crazy high.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

which granted, for all we know his BABIP could be a repeatable skill.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It very well could be. Hitters tend to have some influence over their BABIPs.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

However, It’s more likely (in my mind) that Buster and Pablo both put up .900+ OPS numbers than Pablo going over 1.000. But it could happen, as Panda is magical.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously both Buster and Pablo will put up .900+ OPS.

Of course, Buster will be in Fresno doing so, but still…

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by tedfordfan on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the minors he had BABIP numbers roughly as good as his 2009, which suggests that he should be able to sustain a very high number. But his 2009 (.353) was very close to Ichiro’s career number (.359). I find it difficult to believe that he can keep that up, but .330 or even .340 would not surprise me.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

If his minor league BABIP was about what his major league BABIP was this year, shouldn’t it probably come down? That doesn’t translate at a 1:1 ratio.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, yeah. I was predicting it would come down some. But that he could sustain a very high number. .340 is still really good; it’s just worse than .353.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

normally, yes. But we’re talking about a hitter who had a pretty consistent line from A San Jose all the way to the Majors in one year. There was no dropoff at each level like we would expect from any other hitter.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that he was still a very good hitter does not mean that the defenses were of a consistent major league quality at every level.

Also, there was a dropoff between San Jose and Connecticut of about 100 points of OPS, including 20 points of BA.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, basically minor league BABIP’s are inflated because the quality of the defense is a decent amount below MLB level.

by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO WAY! CHEATER!

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm walking on air

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

George isn't at home

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

please leave a message

at the beep

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there!

Keep him away the farm help in Richmond!!

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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if he’s serious about his conditioning, he should be stronger down the stretch. There a couple points last season where he was running on fumes.

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait to read the ST articles about Pablo when he comes into camp.

NOT AS FAT, BEST SHAPE OF LIFE!

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zito, Rowand, Renteria, Fred Sanchez, signed Veteran Scrub Catcher will all have a pair of those.

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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s gettin me all excited.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s ok, Barry Bonds was notorious for not being in the team picture.

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The important thing from these numbers

This lineup will be much much better with Sandoval AND Garko in the lineup.

Don’t move Pablo to 1st. I know you want to. Don’t.

Stop it.

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

pablo will be acceptable at third for at least a few more years even if he keeps the same weight. end of discussion

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The sheer number of BJ jokes and possible jokes in this thread may collapse the internet.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know, If Deadspin didn’t collapse the internet 2 days ago, nothing will.

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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the whole Monica Lewinsky thing happened right when the Internet was exploding into the popular imagination.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's start this up again.

I’m not your buddy, guy.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT UR PAL CHUM

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT UR BRO COMPADRE

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

DONT CHANGE LANGUAGE, I"M NOT UR COMPADRE BITCH… :)

by PiKAgiant on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT UR BITCH SIR

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT UR DUDE BUCKEROO

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not your compadre, amigo

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by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

not your amigo, senor

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know

Looking up Barry Bonds’s Value section on Fangraphs is pretty mind-blowing. +113.9 hitting in 2002. +83.8 on 2003. +109.5 in 2004.

+83.88 WAS LIKE AN OFF YEAR.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha, Barry’s just amazing at what he did

by PiKAgiant on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

109!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also the number of RBIs Will Clark had in 1989 to lead the NL

The number keeps showing up in Giants history.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE NUMBERS ARE THE KEY

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  


Fun fact: these pictures are from different movies.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Cage is one of my favorite bad actors.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

every time someone says "Nick Cage"

I always read it as “Nick Cave” and get excited but then it never actually is.

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except with that film he did make

I was like, why is Nick Cage making an Australian cowboy filOMG IT’S NICK CAVE

by bobnothing on Oct 24, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

the australian cowboy flick was pretty good!

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

NERD

BIRDY and RAISING ARIZONA were what Eighties cinema could have been more of.

VALLEY GIRL was OK, it had MILF.

by hokysmksbw on Oct 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got a retarded movie script ready to be produced?

Call in the forehead.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he has a big forehead!

/gets Nick Cage look alike comments

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve gotten Jon Heder look-a-like comments. You know, outside of character (I hope).

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fun fact is not as fun as previously advertised.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know; by McC fun fact standards, this one was pretty fun.

Usually it’s something like this:

Fun fact: “Speedster” Eugenio Velez had 5 infield hits in 2009; Travis Ishikawa had 7.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mind is now blown.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You aren’t nice.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand

how this guy became an action movie star

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by wjackalope on Oct 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

True fact

He was once considered for the lead role in The Wrestler.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

This could have happened as wel...

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly this is happening

Goodbye childhood!
Nicolas Cage in Sorcerer’s Apprentice

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

/shakes head

/sighs

Disney…

The baseball Satanist

by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another gap in my film-watching

I think the last Disney cartoon film I watched was The Little Mermaid.

I was never a fan, though, so this one is pretty much on purpose.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve missed out on a lot.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure. But Disney was really never my thing. Even as a kid, I just wasn’t much of a fan.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you looking forward to the Princess and the Frog? I like that Disney’s trying to be kind of good again, and it’s about damn time they had a black Princess, but it still looks pretty weak to me.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like their heart is in the right place, but they’re fucking it up anyway. (Finally, a black princess! And… she spends almost the entire movie as a frog!)

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

They shoulda gone Yonkers.

Then the Princess would be Jewish-American.

Overdue.

by hokysmksbw on Oct 24, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m iffy on the story, but the animation looks fantastic, which is what I’ll be watching it for anyway. We need more traditionally animated flicks.

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Pixar working on a traditional, 2-D? I don’t know how traditional… but 2-D, right?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe so, but I don’t know much about it. Pixar does a really good job of keeping projects on the down low.

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, looking the movies Disney made in the 90’s, I really wonder how they didn’t take more crap for their villains. Practically in every movie the villain is black and/or a gay stereotype.

The only exception I can think of is Beauty and the Beast, I guess, though I don’t really remember Garson.

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by Cookyman on Oct 24, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beauty and the Beast was the last Disney cartoon I enjoyed. Gaston was more funny than scary to me, a predecessor to Shrek’s Prince Charming – the perfect hero type who turns out to be the bad (and kinda silly) guy.

What I remember coming out from Disney/Pixar:

2010 – Toy Story 3, Rapunzel (2D)
2011 – Newt, The Bear and the Bow (2D?)
2012 – Cars 2, King of the Elves (2D)

But I don’t think it’s been confirmed that The Bear and the Bow is 2D, just that it’s the first fairy tale from Pixar.

I think Rapunzel is a pretty weak fairy tale but some of the concept art that’s been released look promising.

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by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cars 2 seems unnecessary.

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by Cookyman on Oct 24, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did Cars 1.

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Newman was win. Otherwise, yes.

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by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, it wasn’t Pixar’s best, but it was still better than a lot of other movies.

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s probably the only Pixar film I’ve never felt like watching again.

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by Cookyman on Oct 25, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Aladdin and The Lion King were immediately after Beauty and the Beast, and they were both pretty awesome. I mean, I guess you could argue that Aladdin had some (ahem) cultural sensitivity issues- and it’s easy to forget that Robin Williams’ shtick wasn’t always irritating- but it’s a solid entry in the Disney canon.

But Hamlet-on-the-Veldt? Epic win all the way around.
(Though I did make an entire theatre packed with little kids burst into tears en masse with a cruel laugh timed just as Simba approaches Mufasa after the wildebeest stampede.)

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robin Williams sank Aladdin for me and as for TLK, I thought it was really good but not as entertaining as BATB. Also, when it comes to animated films, I guess I’m partial to those with human leads. So for example, I liked The Incredibles more than Finding Nemo.

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by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh... what?

Villains in Disney animated features

1990 The Rescuers Down Under – McLeach, an Australian poacher
1991 Beauty and the Beast - Gaston, French(?) white guy
1992 Aladdin – Jafar, Arabian wizard
1994 The Lion King – Scar, technically I suppose he’s of African descent
1995 Pocahontas – Gov. Ratcliffe, old white guy
1996 The Hunchback of Notre Dame – Archdeacon, old white guy
1997 Hercules – Hades
1998 Mulan – Shan Yu, a Hun
1999 Tarzan – Clayon, a white hunter

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

By “the 90’s” I meant the Disny revival, which for me isTLM to Hercules/Mulan.

In The Little Mermaid, every character in the movie is white as snow, except for Ursula, who’s black (or dark blue, technically). Ariel and all her sisters are extremely feminine, while Ursula is fat and pretty much looks like a drag queen.
 
The Lion King: you seriously didn’t notice that Scar is the only black lion in the entire movie? He’s also skinny and effeminate, especially compared to Mufasa or Simba.

Obviously In Aladdin there aren’t any black people, but Jafar looks a lot more like an Arab stereotype than Aladdin, who just looks like a slightly tanned white guy.

And in Hercules Hades is again the only dark-skinned god.

Not every movie, but you get the point.

I also seem to remember that the Mongols (is that what they were? They call them Huns, but the real Huns lived in eastern Europe, so that doesn’t make any sense) in Mulan all looked like monsters, but I don’t remember the movie well enough. I also completely forgot about Pocahontas, probably because I don’t like it.

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by Cookyman on Oct 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t deny that Disney has done some questionable things, but I think you’re kind of reaching there.

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by Natto on Oct 25, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if you’re going to take issue with The Lion King, he first place you’d look is the Hyenas.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t really seem to equate this to black
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Maybe Hispanic but not black

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by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily “black” as in Afro-American. Just dark skinned.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good = Light / Bad = Dark is also a fairly classical “good vs. bad” trope.

Come to the dark side.
There’s darkness in his soul.
He’s lurking in the shadows.

It’s not specifically a racially motivated thing. In a completely non-skin-colory way, people do have a predisposition (whether natural or nurtural) to see the darkness as scary and the light as comforting.

In a racially charged environment, that classicism does become a legitimate problem. But I do think that in some – even most – cases, it’s simply playing to traditional archetypes of good and bad. Dark and light. Etc.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

First of all, generally what you’re may be true. Or at least it sounds true. There’s also a logical reason to believe it – human are daytime animals, and can barely function when it’s dark, so darkness scares the crap out of us. But here’s the thing – you tried to show that it’s not racially motivated, but all the examples you gave to prove it come from the part of the world that is controlled by white people. This also happens to be the part you and I live in, so it’s not like I’m trying to criticize you, but if you want to see the bigger picture, you’ll have to take a few more steps back.

I’m not an expert on the subject, but as far as I know, it’s only in the European-Western (and White) world that blackness is so clearly associated with evil. Just a quick Wiki search found:

  • For the Maasai people, who live in Kenya and Tanzania, blackness symbolizes life and prosperity (because it’s associated with rain clouds).
  • For Native Americans, blackness symbolized the life-giving soil.
  • In Japanese culture, blackness is associated with honor (and white symbolizes death).
  • Black is associated with mourning in Chinese culture, but some think it was adapted from Western culture.

So it’s hardly a universal thing.

Is it a coincidence that the whiter people on the planet, who generally saw themselves as superior to other, darker people, created a society in which white so clearly symbolized good and black clearly symbolized evil? Maybe. I really don’t know. But I’m just trying to show that saying that something is a “cultural issue, not a racial one” can be problematic, because culture and race clearly have huge effects on one another.

Now, obviously I’m not criticizing Disney for not shattering the walls of the Western World. In the Western World, black does symbolize evil. But, to me, there is a difference between having the villain wear black or live in a black castle, and giving him or her dark skin, because I think it has a different effect on kids’ minds. To emphasize, I’m NOT claiming that the people who did this were racist or anything, just that it’s dangerous to consistently give villains dark skin, both because it can offend people, and because I believe these movies all affect kids in some way or another (that’s why we give the movies morals, after all – it’s a way to educate kids. A fun way, but still).

P.S. After Natto’s comment I realized that what I saw as consistency was partially the result of my selective memory (it seems that I only liked the movies with dark-skinned villains – maybe I’m racist). Still I claim that there is a general pattern – either there aren’t any dark characters, or there are some and they are the villains. Interestingly, the two clear exceptions – Pocahontas and THoND, are the only two that directly referenced the character’s race (Pocahontas is Native American, Esmeralda is Romani), which does fit with what you’re saying – it’s not a dark skin color as an indicator of race (though I think I still have issues with Jafar), but rather as a general indicator of evil. But like I said, it’s hard to separate one from the other. And even if you can, that doesn’t mean an 8 y-o can.

Hope I made myself clear.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But we are talking about our culture so Howie is right.

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by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Survivor Africa

Night/darkness is scary in Africa…that’s when you can get eaten by lions!

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by Goofus on Oct 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I don’t want to say that the light/darkness thing isn’t a problem. I just think that the problem shouldn’t be assumed to be coded into every instance of the use.

The Lion King, though I haven’t seen it in a long time, is an interesting case of race stuff, and I was surprised that you went to Scar instead of somewhere else. To my mind, Scar is just a character who is designed to look evil, and the easiest way for Disney to do that is to play to a classic design.

But, as I said, the Hyenas have been mentioned to me as a lousy portrayal of a black stereotype (though it surprises me that Whoopi Goldberg would have anything to do with THAT… so I won’t push it further without seeing the movie again… and wow, Cheech voiced one of them? Man, I really have to see it again).

On the other hand, Mufasa was voiced by James Earl Jones, a black man. Rafiki is probably the clearest case of using a racial type in the movie, but he’s used in a more or less positive way.

Scar, on the other hand, is one of the few characters who has a name that is actually an English word. He’s voiced by a British actor. I mean, if Disney was aware of what they were doing racially, then they sure did go out of their way to Anglicize Scar as opposed to the rest of the characters.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I’m not saying they necessarily aware of what they were doing racially. Like I said, when race was referenced directly, it was different. The movies are made for kids, and they want the kids to be able to be scared of the villain. The do it by giving him a scary name, or a scary voice, or a scary look, which, in the time period I’m talking about, often included a dark skin. And by doing that, they were part of a cycle – dark skin is scary, so kids’ movies have villains with dark skin, so kids think that dark skin is scary, etc.

Notice that I didn’t claim that Disney is racist – I specifically mentioned that it’s not what I’m saying. My original comment was that I’m surprising they weren’t criticized for it. Maybe they were and I don’t know, or maybe they noticed the pattern themselves, because they completely stopped with it when they started making 3-D movies, or even a bit before.

The reason I “went to Scar” is that the Hyenas aren’t relevant to my point. There is much to be written about racial motives in Disney’s movies, or in kids’ movies in general, but I’m talking about a very specific thing – a dark skinned villain in a world of light-skinned heroes.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s white that’s the color of mourning in Chinese culture, not black.

I do think there probably is some propensity to associate black with evil and white with good, because if you’re a primitive hunter-gatherer, night time can be pretty scary, as opposed to the safety of light and the utility of fire. But then, why do we call white people white and black people black? Neither actually is.

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by jcb9 on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

(But I’ve never seen The Lion King, so.)

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by jcb9 on Oct 26, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, obviously that’s true (I mentioned it way up there), but a dark color doesn’t have to symbolize. I was trying to show that different cultures associate it with different things, and, as far a I know, only in the Western culture darkness is so clearly associated only with bad things.

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by Cookyman on Oct 27, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

a dark color doesn’t have to symbolize

Symbolize night time, that is.

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by Cookyman on Oct 27, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s more English than black.

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by Natto on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Lion King

Scar – Jeremy Irons (white)
Mufasa – James Earl Jones (black)

Oh, the irony!

What about Star Wars? Darth Vader was a white man inside a black costume, but voiced-over by a black man.

I think you’ll give yourself a headache over-analyzing this stuff.

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by Goofus on Oct 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

An 8 y-o who watches Lion King doesn’t know that. What he does know is that there are a million good lions in the movie and they’re all light-skinned (light-furred?), while there is only one evil lion, and he happens to also be the only dark-skinned one.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO ONE IS A FANTASTIC VILLAIN LIKE GASTON!

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really like the direction Disney is headed with their fairytales movies. Disney shouldn’t try to parody their own formula (the movie with the princess who comes to the real world and the Princess and the Frog are both examples of this).

They should just make good movies again.

Also, why the heck is the Princess and the Frog taking place in Louisiana? Also, also, Shrek’s already done the switcharoo theme (oh, it was the princess who turned into a frog, how novel). Also also also, I agree with jponry; finally a black princess…and they turn her into a frog.

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by thehavenot on Oct 24, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should see the movie before we judge it.

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not judging the movie

I’m judging the trend Disney has been going through.

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by thehavenot on Oct 24, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I disagree with you

Enchanted (the movie to which you were referring) was a great movie and was more of an homage to past “princess” movies than a straight parody. It was a breath of fresh air for Disney. And Princess and the Frog looks as much like a classic Disney animated flick as their previous ones. I’ve been very critical of Disney for a while, but I have to admit they’ve improved in some areas in the past few years, the revival of 2D animation being one of them.

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by Natto on Oct 24, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did love Enchanted, even though some of its message was a bit problematic.

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another true fact

Tim Burton cast him in his doomed Superman project.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad that didn’t happen.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

EYS

Also that he didn’t get this role:

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Movies I have liked that starred Nicholas Cage

1) Adaptation

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rock

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked The Weather Man.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen any of these three.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You haven’t seen The Rock?!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can take a ferry there, I hear.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would’ve thought Leaving Las Vegas would be the one people would be surprised by.

But no. I like movies fine, but I’m not a film buff, so there are huge numbers of movies everyone’s seen and I haven’t.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought of The Rock first because of the connection to SF.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

Which leads me to another thing: I’ve never been to Alcatraz. That’s like the one big San Francisco tourist trap I’ve never done.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve only gone once, and that was for a 3rd grade field trip.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alcatraz will always hold a special place for me as the place our AP US History class wasted money in our budget.

Our teacher (it was his first year doing AP) came into the class one day and said “I just noticed we have a bunch of money in the AP budget we can use for a field trip or something. You guys want to go to Alcatraz?”

We did nothing academic related and is was more of a trip to San Fran that included Alcatraz. It was awesome.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s worth seeing once. Not as much of a tourist trap as some of the other “attractions” on Fisherman’s Wharf.

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by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw it on an episode of “Full House”. That is more then enough for me.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? Was it just an exterior shot or was CT actually part of the story?

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

IIRC just an exterior shot.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m kind of frighetened that you know this and you’re not even the one who brought it up.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember being happy that they filmed on location in SF for that/those episode(s). but was then disappointed when they never actually took advantage of it.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

My sister used to watch that show in syndication every day. Drove me nuts.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Nash Bridges was the only show in recent years to film on location in SF.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trauma is a new one.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh. What network is that on?

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

NBC

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Masquerade” It’s Halloween in San Francisco and chaos erupts at a party, keeping our first responders busy.

I think I’ll just see the reality version of this.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It won’t be in Castro!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bah

I hear Dogpatch is the new Castro

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw them filming the Halloween episode of Trauma. They turned the Crunch on Polk Street into the Castro theater. The Pilot Episode was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

They turned the Crunch on Polk Street into the Castro theater.

What, why? They couldn’t film in the Castro?

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t have the big crazy party in Castro anymore anyway.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The pilot wasn’t great. I think the shows have been getting better though. Often times, the pilots are MUCH different than what the series actually is

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is actually a rule of mine, to not judge a show by the pilot.

I have no idea why they didn’t shoot in the Castro.

 I actually know a girl who is in the Halloween episode, that’s why I was watching in the first place.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I work on Trauma, so if there is any bias thats why. I started working after that episode filmed, so don’t have answers to that. Many times there are logistics that need to be worked out that makes certain locations better than others

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I feel bad. Sorry dude.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No no no I don’t care. I don’t have anything to do with the creative side or anything. Its not really my favorite show to watch either. I just hope that the ratings get better so the show continues..otherwise lots of us will be out of work

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you do on the show?

/nosey

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by bgunn on Oct 24, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I read on sfgate that there’s going to be a new one.

True Nash Bridges story: when I was working in Downtown Oakland, I was leaving for my lunch break and saw a bunch of people gathered around the front window looking down on Broadway. A robbery was in progress at the jewelry store across the street. Four masked men ran out of the store like nobody’s business, scurried into a car, and skidded off around the corner.

A minute later, the same car pulled back in. I was all kinds of WTF.

Then I noticed the cameras. Turns out it was a scene for Nash Bridges.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I can see how that would have been hella confusing.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was going to be another one, called “Parenthood” but it sounds like they will be filming that one up in Vancouver. I could totally be thinking of a different show though.

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

“That’s So Raven” is supposed to take place in San Francisco, but you never see any signs of it.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s a lie, they always have a bunch of stock footage of the golden gate bridge and sutro tower and fisherman’s wharf when the scene changes!!!!

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally pass by all those landmarks everyday while riding on the cable car!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, SF hasn’t been too welcoming for stuff to be filmed there. So, many places are using other places (like Canada) and still saying the shows are supposed to be in SF

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Disney Channel is probably just cheap.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well not just them though. Parenthood is an NBC show

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by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think of the old WB comedy starring Robert Townsend.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like Sliders.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

riiight

actualy, don’t you see the Ashbury St. signs or something like that

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by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I quite like Coit Tower.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the view, amirite?

I’ll go someday. I’ve always wanted to take the stairs up Telegraph Hill but whenever I’m in the area, I get lazy and put it off.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The murals at ground level are cool, too.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a lot of people haven’t seen LLV. I had to watch it for a film class. It’s pretty good although I don’t think it was much of a stretch for Nick Cage to play his character.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just remember it getting a lot of hype when it came out.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hooker buying: Check
Suicidal: Check

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember thinking it was well acted, but didn’t actually have a plot.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lost in Translation, Before Sunrise…I like movies with ambiguity.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about movies with Nic Cage?

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, more often than not.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good lord! How’d we go this far in a Nicolas Cage thread without anybody mentioning Raising Arizona?

Or Moonstruck for that matter (“I’m not a freaking monument to justice! I lost my hand!”)

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by Roger on Oct 24, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

How’d we go this far in a Nicolas Cage thread without anybody mentioning Raising Arizona?

lol

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by groug on Oct 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some movies that everyone in the world is shocked I haven't seen and someday I'll get around to it I guess

- The Godfather movies
- Citizen Kane
- Casablanca
- Most classic old films, actually
- Any movie starring Brad Pitt. Seriously. I haven’t seen any of them.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only of these I’ve seen is the The Godfather. You should watch it.

Brad Pitt…let’s see, does Burn After Reading count? Otherwise, I don’t think so.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

12 Monkeys
Fight Club is worth a go.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

12 Monkeys is overrated.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe in a Derek Jeter way.

Pitt’s not a great actor, but he’s in some good movies. I liked Seven a lot as well.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate Bruce Willis.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan, but he’s not a deal breaker.

The Fifth Element, for example. (Which is overrated but still plenty good).

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s one of those movies I’ll stay on if I’m flipping channels almost every time.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fight Club is one of those things that was so hyped that I got sick of it before I had a chance to see it, so now I don’t want to.

I feel the same way about the Harry Potter books.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve never seen True Romance?

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, I also saw 12 Monkeys. And Ocean’s 11. And Troy.

Brad Pitt: not a good actor.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pitt

is awesome in Inglourious Bastards. Especailly when he is speaking “Italian”.

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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burn After Reading was pretty good. The movie reminded me a lot of James Coburn stuff in the ’60’s (The President’s Psychiatrist, The Flinn movies)

A River Runs Through It as well but I wonder how it would play to a urban or suburban crowd.

Legends of the Fall was passable. His character in this one was a variant on his character on A River Runs Through It. Otherwise the best thing I can say about Brad Pitt is I earn extra get out of jail points with She Who Must Be Obeyed when he is on.

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by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen Casablanca or the last two Godfather movies. I’ve seen way more Brad Pitt movies than I need to.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you not like the first Gofather?

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was OK.

I just haven’t gotten around to seeing the others.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those aren’t too bad outside of the last one. Dude, how have you NOT seen a BP movie?

FWIW, I’ve never seen any of The Matrix movies.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw the first Matrix movie and thought it was okay but really overrated. I saw the second and thought it was horrible. I refused to see the third.

I also don’t like action movies very much, so there’s that.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone liked the second or third.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know people who did.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy.

Do they also wear hats on their feet and a shoe on their head?

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, they think the trilogy is a brilliant exploration of existentialism…or something.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

NEO IS JESUS!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh great. Then I really am never watching those movies.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Casablanca is awesome.
“what nationality are you?”
“alcoholic”.

Citizen Kane was groundbreaking, but I don’t think it has aged well.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

“I wouldn’t bring up Paris, it’s poor salesmanship.”

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Casablanca is my favorite movie

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I don’t think I’ve seen any Hitchcock films except for Vertigo.

The Shawshank Redemption is one of my wife’s favorite movies, but I’ve never seen it all the way through. I have seen bits and pieces here and there while she’s watched it. And early in our relationship we watched it together, but, uh, we made out through the entire movie. So I really only saw the first few minutes. Heh.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never saw a Hitchcock film.
Never saw a Tarantino film.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’ve seen any Tarantino films either, now that you mention it.

Wait, I think he wrote Natural Born Killers. I’ve seen that. And he had a cameo in Desperado. But films he’s directed, I don’t think so.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see Pulp Fiction, though, because my friend swears it’s the bestest film ever.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I had to pick one, I would see Reservoir Dogs.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the scene about tipping.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite scene of all time is from Pulp Fiction.

Here for who want to see it again, though if you haven’t seen the movie, I suggest you don’t watch the clip.

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by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite movie lines is in this flick. “Why am I the one on brain detail?” I don’t see how anyone who has a been good at a job they didn’t really like can’t help but get this line.

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by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have never seen a movie scored by John Williams.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Oct 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s actually way weirder.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m lying.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Oct 23, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes more sense.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which reminds me: Jaws is a terrible movie, and Spielberg is a mediocre movie maker.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s another: I’ve never seen Jaws. Or any Rocky movies. Or any Rambo movies.

I’ve only seen one Terminator movie, and I can’t remember if it was the first or the second.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Arnold was the bad guy, it was the first one.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both are great though.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I recently rewatched T2, and the SFX still hold up. It’s awesome.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just the right mixture of puppets, CGI and good ol’ fashion explosions and stunts.

Now the theme song is going to be stuck in my head until I watch it.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

BAM BAM BUMBUM BAM
BAM BAM BUMBUM BAM

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was like 17 years ago, and I was watching at my friend’s house, and he was way more into it than I was, so I really don’t remember.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen the first Terminator.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I only saw Godfather and Godfather II in the last 5 years.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are on my Netflix que (along with many other classics) ready for my first viewing.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s just my opinion but I thought they were really good ;-)

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never seen Rocky or Rambo either.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s another: I’ve never seen Jaws. Or any Rocky movies. Or any Rambo movies.

Me either.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. That makes three of us.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get away from me, you weirdos.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jaws sucks. It really does. It’s like Star Wars – everybody know it’s not a very good movie, but no one has the guts to say.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mega Shark Vs Giant Octopus on the other hand…

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s on my Netflix instant que, I’m pretty excited.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Jaws was legitimately good.

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO YOU DIDN’T YOU’RE JUST AFRAID TO ADMIT IT

IT’S OK

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t see it in like 10 years, so who know. But that’s what I remember thinking when I watched it.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Cookeyman is angry…

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by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

But not sad!

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The evolution of Cookyman!

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by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think he’s sad. That signature is a cry for help.

Cookyman, everything will be alright.

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by SF Pete on Oct 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

there’s nothing wrong with the first two Star Wars movies.

I haven’t seen Jaws.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greatest fight scene was in Episode I though

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by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

suck
never
can
Wars
Star

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first two are OK. The third has some embarrassing parts. The prequels are completely unwatchable.

Also coughracistcough.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

see, here I thought you were being a contrarian, but that’s exactly what most people think.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I think most people consider the first two more than OK.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think most people think the first two are escapist fun, and decently well made at that. After that, things start to get undefendable.

People who really like The Matrix really consider it a work of art, though.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

DON'T YOU SEE??!

THERE IS NO SPOON!!!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

MY SPOON IS TOO BIG

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

MY ANUS IS BLEEDING!

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know anyone who likes the Matrix that much.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Consider yourself lucky. There was a lot of self-important blather about how Deep and Meaningful they were.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

people need to read more

I mean, jeez, you throw a little plato out there with some special effects and everyone thinks it’s the deepest thing ever thought.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of a mish-mash of Plato, gnosticism, Philip K. Dick, special effects, and big dumb action, I thought.

My mother’s defense of the films had to do with existentialism, but I don’t remember why.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I don't really have an issue with the movie

it was fun. And hey, I don’t mind a little philosophy in pop art.

I just mind the people that go away from that thinking that they’ve learned some big huge thing.

I have the same problem with people who are all about Freakanomics.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

years ago I use to be happy thinking “Hey more people might check out Phillip K Dick!” then i would ussaly see the resault and say “Meh.”

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by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure when they publish the txt msg formatted version of The Republic it will be widely read.

by Merope on Oct 23, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then I really am a contrarian, because I think Return of the Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.

by taliesin on Oct 24, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, yes you are.

jub-jub

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 24, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used to think that when I was a kid. Now I think the movie goes pretty much downhill after Han was rescued.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting Fact

Harrison Ford wanted Han to die at the end of Empire.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not because he didn’t like the character. He just didn’t think there was any story left to tell with Han.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plot-wise maybe but Han provided the comic relief the trilogy needed so I’m glad that didn’t happen. Also, Harrison Ford was cool.

I wish he’d walked away from Indy 4, though…

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by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the Ewoks were pretty lame but hey, at least that part was shot in Muir Woods

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that the prequels are racist, or the Star Wars films in general?

I’ve only seen The Phantom Menace from the new ones, but Jar Jar Binks, yeah.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Natto is pretty racist.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

not as much as me

I’m against all humans who aren’t me.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on!

Lando Calrissian is a positive black male role model.

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

…in the field of science fiction/fantasy.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, so you’ve seen Chasing Amy but not the Godfather, Reservoir Dogs, or Casablanca.

???

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

What can I say – I saw Clerks when I was a bitter, disgruntled teenager in Central Jersey. I have a soft spot for Kevin Smith.

It’s not that I don’t watch movies at all – I do! It’s just very random and patchy. I’ve seen Chasing Amy but not Casablanca. I’ve seen almost all of Paul Thomas Anderson’s films, but none of Quentin Tarantino. I’ve seen Crooklyn but not Do The Right Thing. etc.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is true.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s just because he’s Chinese, and Chinese people are better than anyone else.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

er. . Watto

I don’t know if Natto is racist or not.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watto is the one who isn’t racist.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s a very subtle Wario/Mario joke.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I’ve only seen the first one, but Jar Jar Binks was a pretty straight caricature as I recall.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude was an alien. I know, I know. Representation and all that.

Still, dude was an alien. An annoying alien.

He was all about making the kiddies laugh.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seriously didn’t have a problem with Watto?

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by Cookyman on Oct 24, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is actually the first time I’ve heard the Watto-as-racist idea.

I had heard Jar Jar (all the time). I had heard the Neimoidians. But this is the first time anyone has said that Watto was racist…

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by thehavenot on Oct 24, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watto always struck me as astonishingly anti-semitic. But by the time he showed up, I had already decided I was watching a horrifying abortion of a once-beloved franchise, so perhaps I was predisposed to think the worst of every aspect of it.

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watto#Controversy

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by Cookyman on Oct 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

just curious

do any of you read Darths and Droids? (www.darthsanddroids.com)

It’s fantastic. They’ve made Jar-Jar likeable.

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by Viliphied on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, Jaws kinda reminds me of that Baywatch episode where Jill got eaten by a gray rubber sock puppet

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jaws sucks?

Wha?

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I support Jaws’ message. Sahrks are terrifying. Assassins of the sea. Mindless killing machines. Blow them all up, I say.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

ANTI-SHARK PROPAGANDA
SHARKS ARE OUR FRIENDS, PEOPLE

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just wait until they team up with the elephants. Just crushing and chomping everything in their way.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

GO GET ’EM COASt GUARD BRASS!

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jaws is not a terrible movie

But I might agree with you about Spielberg.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s so bad about Jaws? I think its great. It isn’t art, but its a lot of fun.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course it's art

Even horrible movies are art. Bad art. But art nonetheless.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

By art I meant “worthy of endless academic study”.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I concede that. I probably chose my words poorly.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hitchcock is great. Tarantino is more miss than hit.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Quentin I’d argue the opposite, his good list is Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs, Jackie Brown and Inglorious Basterds. Kill Bill 1&2 are good and not on the level, and Death Proof was basically just a b movie. I’d say Death Proof is the only really miss movie, but it has its moments

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by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is just bizarre to me. I haven’t seen a lot of movies, but North by Northwest, Psycho, Rear Window, Pulp Fiction, and Reservoir Dogs are all easily among the best I’ve seen. What are you watching?

by taliesin on Oct 24, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Casablanca is a fantastic movie

The others, whatever. Don’t even bother with Citizen Kane. Talk about over-rated.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hating Citizen Kane seems to be pretty popular these days. Why? It has a great, deep story and is technically brilliant.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect that watching Citizen Kane would be a pretty bizarre experience for me at this point, since I’ve never seen it, but The Simpsons has parodied almost every scene in it.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I was too harsh with my comment about Citizen Kane. Sometimes my reactions to certain things are more reactions to how other people feel about that thing. It’s my contrarian nature. I was really bad about it as a teenager. I have mostly gotten over it but every so often it comes out again.

I just don’t think it’s anywhere near the best movie ever (as some have dubbed it). It’s a decent movie. But I like several other older movies better.

Like I said, I was too harsh. There’s no reason not to see it.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do sympathize with the people who are sick of the “OMG BEST MOVIE EVAR” meme. It is still probably an overrated film.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as technical filmmaking goes, I don’t know if there’s a better film.

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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen it.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

But.. But

It’s like the Citizen Kane of movies!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where does that quote even come from? I’ve probably heard it in the original, but I’ve heard it from so many other places that I have no idea anymore.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you're Gay

Casablanca makes no sense and has no internal rhythm starting out as a cartoonish musical then morphing into a cheesy Bette Davis soap opera and finally crashing down as a lame spy-chase thriller.

Cornballz.

by hokysmksbw on Oct 24, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if I’m straight, Casablanca makes sense? Or did you mean it only fails to makes sense to Tyson and/or Rudy?

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are Gay, then...
Casablanca is a fantastic movie
The others, whatever. Don’t even bother with Citizen Kane. Talk about over-rated.

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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT

by hokysmksbw on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wut?

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t ignore his comments yet?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

pfft…I started ignoring hokysmksbw before you even knew who he was.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lights going out and a kick in the balls?

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just very defensive over Casablanca.

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by jponry on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

jponry: gay.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn’t specify gender.

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by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And by he I mean hokysmksbw, just so we’re clear.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

0_0

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn no Pitt movies? Quite possibly my favorite actor. Inglorious Basterds is definitely worth a watch, same with Se7en, True Romance, 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, and my personal favorite The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Pitt takes a lot of heat for being more good looking than is acceptable, but he is a very good actor

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by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is sad

Only because I assume that during this time you have been watching other, lesser movies. Please watch Godfather 1 and 2, Casablanca, Maltese Falcon, and The Big Sleep without delay.

I don’t watch movies, normally, but some, like these, really are better than any other conceivable use of your time.

In re Brad Pitt, 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, Seven, and of course (minor role) True Romance are all good movies, but I wouldn’t necessarily go out of my way to see any of them. Well, maybe 12 Monkeys.

by taliesin on Oct 24, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

godfather

you basically HAVE to watch it. of you don’t, i find you crazy, stupid, and a dodgers fan
no thanks to classic old films though

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s almost 40 years old – pretty close to being considered a classic old film.

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by Cookyman on Oct 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

i guess

but when i think classic old films, i think of silent black and white films

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve just never found the gangster genre that interesting. I’m sure I’ll see it some day, though.

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by jcb9 on Oct 24, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Pachino can make any film interesting. Well, except for most of his films from the past 30 years. But man, when he’s good, he’s good.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 24, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heat:

An epically overrated mess.

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s more Aaron Rowand than Torii Hunter, if you take my meaning.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see a Fangraph comparing Cage and Travolta.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen any of his crappy action films, only Leaving Las Vegas and The Weather Man (though I’ve seen clips of The Wicker Man, and I think I’m a big fan).

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

that film is a latter day Manos: the Hands of Fate.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

/runs up hill
/wearing bear costume
/punches woman in face

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

those moments are so much more fun than a purposefully bad movie.

“Did anyone stop to check whether or not THIS IS COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE?!”

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

/carjacks bike

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Some random movie about a cop who wins the lottery or something.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It Could Happen To You!

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. I love the moral of these types of movies:

Money is not the key to happiness – love is. Find a person to love, and you’ll be happy. Also, do that, and you’ll get a shitload of money.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Find me a rich wife. Got it.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then remove Rich from the picture. Wait this is sounding a bit like Cohen Brothers film, aint it?

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by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah i see you are directly above me with the same sentiment, this is awkward

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by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him in Raising Arizona, never liked him in anything else…

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by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, this movie was extra funny to me because his concern about his daughter’s camel toe is a significant part of the plot

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Oct 23, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

raising arizona

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raising Arizona.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that one was good too.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen this either!

Actually, looking him up on IMDb, the only things I can remember seeing him in are Adaptation and City of Angels (which was awful). So that’s not really fair.

He always struck me as the blandest actor on the planet, though.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s got a lot of really awful movies and a lot of really good ones.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not bland though, he’s either over the top terrible or brilliant.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was really bland in City of Angels.

That whole movie was really bland, though. And the big emotional climax was hiLOLarious.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

that surprises me. I haven’t seen that movie but it seems like a perfect opportunity for him to be completely insane.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

face/off?

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

that’s one of those
Zandelee is another.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He mostly just stands around looking somber because he’s an angel and stuff.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s my memory, anyway. It’s been like 10 years.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE GERMAN ORIGINAL

is one of the five best movies of all time imo

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elitist.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

It’s not like it’s in Spanish.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will never get why Spanish is elitist.

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol wilriv

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

(I think)

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was someone who called Jon Miller elitist for sprinkling Spanish into his broadcasts. It might have been wil.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it was someone else and then wilriv agreed.

Wilriv was involved somehow.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was Headhunter Rollins.

wil backed him up.

that meme is my contribution to this site.

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by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I’m wondering if I’ve ever started a meme…

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by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inadvertently, yes.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

:-(

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

STOP IT

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

BE HAPPIER

GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yelling...

:-(

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve always heard great things about Wim Wenders films, but I’ve never quite gotten around to seeing one.

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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the only one I’ve seen, I think. It really is great though. Possibly because Nick Cave is in it instead of Nick Cage.

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

(he's not the main character or anything)

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not having Meg Ryan probably helps too.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things that confuse me

I dislike Meg Ryan and Nora Ephron and am indifferent towards Billy Crystal, but I really like When Harry Met Sally. Maybe it’s the Rob Reiner connection.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol fangirl

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve only seen The American Friend, but I thought it was great.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

http://www.cracked.com/blog/lets-play-nicolas-cage/

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dan O’Brien is hilarious

that reminds me.

Bringing Out the Dead is another good Nick Cage movie.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best thing on Cracked this side of S.W.A.I.M.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m definitely a DOB fan, his Girls Gone Wild the novelization is absolutely nrilliant, the best I have ever read on the site

Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?

by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wondering how we got on this whole Cage tangent, and then I noticed I started it. Whoops.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is so hilarious, and I don't even know where it's from

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 23, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

bird hair!

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that actually from a movie or is it a Photoshop? I’ve always wondered.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty bad when both are very likely.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a Photoshop of a still from the movie Next (I think that’s the movie anyway).

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh is that why they’re called American bald eagles?

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s not anything special, but when surrounded by a decent story and supporting cast, it’s not so bad.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will admit, Gone in 60 Seconds is a secret love of mine. Cars and driving scenes are awesome.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suggest giving the original a go.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you like the Fast and the Furious franchise?

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now there is a franchise that deserves some Forehead in it.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raising Arizona is, if not among the greatest (whatever that means), certainly among the most enjoyable American movies of the last 30 years.

by taliesin on Oct 24, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matchstick Men

F. the Lewis.

by calpolynate on Oct 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raising Arizona.

/assumes someone else has said this already but it’s too hard to tell because of the long conversation

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was so amazing in that.

And Lord of War.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Oct 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thoroughly unimpressed by Lord of War.

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by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked National Treasure

Even if it was silly.

I liked the Rock for mindless fun.

Raising Arizona wasn’t bad.

The baseball Satanist

by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Adaptation sucked pretty hard, but I seem to be one of the only ones.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Oct 23, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t like it as much as Being John Malkovich or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I did enjoy it.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

VAMPIRE'S KISS

also, slightly more seriously, Wild at Heart.
Plus his performance in Moonstruck is awesomely over the top.

He’s a good crazy or at least ‘slightly bent’.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will also second

Bringing out the Dead and of course, Raising Arizona.

I also liked him in Birdy, but I don’t think I’ve seen that in 20 years (ironically, in Birdy he wasn’t the crazy one)

Adaptation has not been mentioned. Great movie. Nick Cage plays a crazy guy.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adaptation was the first movie mentioned!

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

long thread is long?

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Long thread is incredibly long.

Nick Cage takes up substantially more than half the length of this page. Thanks, right-justified posts!

Schadendodgerfreude 2009!

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

omg

How did I forget Wild at Heart? Awesome movie.

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

this snakeskin jacket represents ma indavdiduallity and belief in personal freedom

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dislike that movie. Two hours of Laura Dern and Nic Cage making out in a goofy homage to The Wizard of Oz? No thank you.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 24, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Other than Nic Cage, I see nothing wrong with that.

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by jponry on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matchstick Men

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeh...

The dude has some good movies…

But he really hasn’t done anything good since 2005.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Oct 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a nick cage fan

But he has a ridiculous habit of either making good movies or absolutely shitty ones. the man has no middle ground.

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fast Times at Ridgemont High…. (well technically didn’t STAR Nic Cage….technically didn’t even have Nic CAGE in it, but still probably the best movie he’s ever been in.)

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 24, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can see him in about 5 shots!

Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?

by TexasRanger on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to take a bold stand and say that I thoroughly enjoyed both National Treasure flicks. Of course, going in with sub-zero expectations helped.

I just wish that they’d been set in the 1930s (or 1950s, since HF is old now) and been Indiana Jones and the National Treasure. Wouldn’t that have been parsecs better than Crystal Skull?

Schadendodgerfreude 2009!

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see myself siting for 1.5-2hours to see that.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

And fwiw, none of the Lewis defenders on here really feel any differently about him than you do. At least I don’t.

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I mean, I’m a fan, but I don’t think he’s the best player in baseball, I just think he ought to have gotten more PT this year.

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I probably wouldn’t be so attached to him if (a) the Giants hadn’t developed so few solid hitters post-Matt Williams and (b) the Giants had other hitters with decent plate discipline.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

My opinion has been that, with the possible exception of Bowker and mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe (big maybe) Torres, Fred Lewis is the best of all of our outfield scrubs.

Do I want him starting? No. Good teams don’t start Fred Lewis.

Do I want him starting over the rest of our scrap? Yeah. Except for maybe Bowker.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I get all “OMGWTFRYTA” about Fred Lewis, it’s when people are like “LEWIS IS TERRIBLE. I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE VELEZ LEADOFF TOMORROW.”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I want him starting? No. Good teams don’t start Fred Lewis.

This kind of blanket statement always baffles me. I mean, the Braves almost won the World Series with Rafael Belliard as a regular.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m not saying it’s impossible for a good team to start Fred Lewis. The statement comes with its own level of hyperbole.

I can revise it, though. It’ll still be nice and blankety and still come with some hyperbole, but it probably won’t be as confounding.

Am I satisfied with him starting? No. Good teams aren’t satisfied starting Fred Lewis.

Yes, I understand that this isn’t LITERALLY true 100% of the time. It’s just a super simple way to make the point.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

fred lewis is an average hitter

good teams can use him.

Good teams do not have him as their best hitting outfielder.

by DrStankus on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good teams also know how to use him.

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good teams understand that he’s a better leadoff hitter than Eugenio Velez.

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOPE!

Put him in the third spot and tell him to hit homeruns!

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then bench him when he doesn’t

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by Viliphied on Oct 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pffft, the last left fielder could do it. Why can’t he?

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave Roberts didn’t hit homers!

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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I said every time he came up to bat.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lest you forget...

he stole that base that one time.

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by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not for us though.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never understood why Red Sox fans slobber all over him for that, but don’t seem to slobber all over Bill Mueller for driving him in.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

“When everybody in the world knows you’re going to try to hit at least a single, and you STILL do it…” just doesn’t have the same ring as “When everybody in the world knows you’re going to try to steal second and you STILL do it…”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amount paid to Dave Roberts, 2009: $6.5 million
Number of bases stolen by Dave Roberts, 2009: 0

/sob

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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, only 36 for the whole lousy three year contract.

That signing still baffles me. Sabean makes dumb signings where I can understand what he was thinking, twisted though that thought process may be (for example: he signed Aaron Rowand to be a gritty gamer), but I have no idea why he gave Dave Roberts a 3-year deal.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

sabean will make sure

to make an even dumber signing and baffle you further
GARY SHEFFIELD SIGNED FOR 4 YEARS/40 MILLION

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait…we did go from BLB to The Problem.

Stop messing with me!

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave Roberts was our starting left fielder at the beginning of 2008. Lewis only took over when Roberts went on the DL.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except Belliard was a middle infielder, Lewis is a corner outfielder….

by Hobbes2d on Oct 24, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

right, but Rafeal Belliard is in the running for one of the worst hitters in major league history.

If you want an example of some mediocre outfielders, check out the 2003 Marlins. Juan Encarnacion and quite a few at bats for Todd Hollandsworth.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Belliard was an example – an extreme. There are many, many, many teams who have been very succesful with a starter much worse than Fred Lewis. Including at key offensive positions.

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by jcb9 on Oct 24, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

For instance

The 1990 Pirates. Their 2b, SS and 3B starters put up OPS’s of .646, .691 and .692.

The baseball Satanist

by thehavenot on Oct 24, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s a mediocre corner outfielder. That’s makes him way above average for the Giants.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. He’s something like an average player. For the 2009 Giants, that’s a guy who should easily be able to crack the starting lineup, but ordinarily it shouldn’t be a guy you’d get real excited about.

by taliesin on Oct 23, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the 2009 Giants, that’s a guy who should easily be able to crack the starting lineup

Instead, let’s play Velez. YAY!

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Viliphied on Oct 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I normally don’t comment on front page stuff, but Lewis needs me. I disagree with everyone. Fred Lewis would start on a good team (well, it depends on if their team needs, but if RF or LF was a need, he would). I believe Fred Lewis is a ~2 WAR player (assuming a full season of PT). Considering he’s basically free, any good team would love to fill a position with an average starter for free.

by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah, I think he’s an average corner outfielder, which means he’s good enough to start for a lot of teams. Maybe on a really good team he’d be a 4th OF (a job he’d be really good at.)

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by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not buying 138 games for FSanchez. However, it is impressive how similar his projected stats are compared to Winns: now that’s worth $8 all day…

Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!

by cybermaldonado on Oct 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

The Giants lineup makes me hate baseball.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 23, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Our 2010 Giants: putting the AAARRRGGGGG!! into Aggressive Hitting.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the fun in funeral!

by maysian on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

/ golf clap

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think someone should explain to them that they are playing baseball. All non-Panda at bats make it seem like they are playing a game of cricket.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually, Panda’s playing cricket, too. He would just be good at it.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, I actually thought that after I posted it. He’d be good for a wicked googley! (note, I have no idea what that even means)

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

A googly is like a kind of pitching motion.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then the pitching gets their turn.

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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

And our pitching makes me love baseball. Truth be told, all good pitching makes me love baseball.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am complete sucker for good pitching and well defended baseball game. They usually last 3 hours or less as well.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind long games if it’s well played on both sides. I’d rather take those than our 2.5 hr “pitchers’ duels” where our starters hold down our opponents’ offense while our lineup whiffs against the opposing pitchers.

OT: Here’s BJ’s Top 10 pitchers most likely to throw a no-hitter. Most important factors appear to be strikeouts and # of DPs induced.

Most Likely No-Hitter
% chance to reach milestone

Tim Lincecum, Giants 25%
Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers 23%
Rich Harden, Free Agent 21%
Justin Verlander, Tigers 20%
Yovani Gallardo, Brewers 19%
Jon Lester, Red Sox 18%
Zack Greinke, Royals 17%
Jonathan Sanchez, Giants 15%
Jorge de la Rosa, Rockies 15%
Javier Vazquez, Braves 15%

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff!

I love the tension for the 6th on in a " pitcher’s duel". So often it comes down to which team twitches and too much and screws up. It is not always the team I think with will be going in.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

but then i don’t like it when our pitcher’s holding down the other team’s lineup both on pace to throw like 300 pitches and bochy’s keeps him in saying HORSE

by sfoakbay on Oct 24, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me started on late inning Bork! Ball. For a guy that was taught the game by veterans of the 60’s ( Very pitching dominate era) he is pretty darn dense in the way he chooses which risks when.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dug out last year’s list:

1. Tim Lincecum 28%
2. Rich Harden 24%
3. Edinson Volquez 18%
4. Scott Kazmir 16%
5. CC Sabathia 15%
6. Chad Billingsley 14%
7. A.J. Burnett 13%
8. Jonathan Sanchez 12%
9 . Oliver Perez 12%
10. Ervin Santana 12%

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand or Hunter?

I remember when Rowand was signed I was thinking “at least we didn’t pay Hunter all that money” because it seemed we were going to get one of those two. Even though Torii was clearly the better player, I didn’t feel he was worth $30 million more. Still don’t think he’s worth all that money, but if I had to choose I’d much rather be overpaying Hunter right now.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

I was thinking about this exact thing last night and it made me cry.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand and Hunter aren’t all that different. Both are close to +2 win players in their normal years.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought this was kinda cool.

ROWAND IS DUE FOR A HUGE BABIP SEASON IN 2010

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa!

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by scout6 on Oct 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like orange line much more than pale green line.

GIMMMEE ORANGE LINE!!

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Consistency can be awesome.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

/ grips cane

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hunter is definitely steadier. Rowand seems to have a bigger variance from year-to-year based mostly on his BABIP.

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT’S SCIENCE

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Eyes Tell Me That I'm Seeing A Pattern

Average Year – OMG AMAZING YEAR – Average Year – Average Year – OMG AMAZING YEAR – Average Year – Average Year

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

So when he gets hot in the middle of this year the Giants will trade him for a couple promising controlled players? Right? … Right? ….Right?

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like contract extension, amirite?

by xanthan on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does my team hate me?

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh… extension.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll earn the entire contact next year.

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That average is skewed greatly by two years Rowand had that appear to be tied to fluke increases in BABIP. Rowand has only had a WAR over 2 three times over the past 8 years (4 if you want to round up 1.9), Hunter hasn’t had one year under 2 over the same period. Although the average might be similiar, the lack of variance in Hunter’s numbers make him much better (and valuable) than Rowand.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong , I like FLew

…but I think his plate discipline comes less from patience and more from confusion.

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

Jason Stoffel, 2009 (Rookie + A-): 24IP, 1-0, 0.75 ERA, 5 S V, 25K. The heir apparent to B-Weez.

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by bigboneded on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

whatever gets him there

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this stage beggars can't be choosers.

Not that I am arguing with your conclusion just the results are a lot less bad than many of the other currently used options.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This made me laugh, but may be true

By nature of the fact that Lewis looks at more pitches, even if a bunch of ’em are strikes, he sees more pitches, makes pitchers work harder and increases the chances of the pitcher doing something stupid like throwing one right down the pipe/pike/dick/chute/Broadway/middle

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, confusion is probably the best plate approach on the team.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on Oct 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Request: Can one of the geeks here...

…take these projections and, using the optimal eight*, create a total run expectation for 2010?

*I’m assuming it’s:
Lewis
Torres
Sanchez
Panda
Garko
Rowand
Posey
Renteria/Uribe

I’d be curious to know what we could expect from this bunch.

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I can do that over the weekend.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

As they used to say on cop shows, “I want a report on my desk Monday morning!”

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

109

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean

by ringleader3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

great

now do that for the other 15 teams’ projected lineups and we can watch the NL ERA go to 6.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we can get 4.6 runs of offense per game AND have Lincecum pitch every day, pretty sure we’ll have a good season.

GIT R DUN BORK

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how this thing has our best lineup with Edgar Renteria batting 9th behind Lincecum

The San Francisco Giants must win at least one World Series before I die.

by vinScullySucks on Oct 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our new national pastime: coming up with reasons why Fred Lewis sucks.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

FOR THE MONEY

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

FOR THE RECIPROCITY

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually love this team. As I said often during the season, I had more fun this season than I’ve had in years. They won 88 games and have lots of guys I’d like to have a beer with.

Panda is icing on the cake. He’s already my favorite Giant since I’ve been a fan of the team. His talent, enthusiasm and general goofiness make him impossible to not like.

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were fun, sure

But also frustrating as all get up. In the end, and in this off-season, the frustration has won out.

We’ll see what happens in the next few weeks. And then by the beginning of the season. And then two months in…

The baseball Satanist

by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scheirholtz And Whiteside Are Missing In Addition To Bowker And Frandsen

For that matter I would think Rohlinger and Downs would have projections.

by giantsrainman on Oct 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

whiteside

.220/.260/.330

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he saves seven thousand runs with his glove.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on Oct 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL GiantsPwnedMan....

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 23, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s grown too accustomed to not seeing him with the other hitters.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I could Shift+A only all of the Nick Cage comments.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I just found Velez’s theme song. The Flaming Lips – Hell’s Angels Cracker Factory

It keeps going “VROOOOOOOOOM! VROOOOOOOOOOOOM!”

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder if he’s one of the guys who is just given a song rather than him choosing it.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not actually his song YET, but it should be.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Oct 23, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see now.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on Oct 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

crap, that reminds me to go back and listen to that again

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean

by ringleader3 on Oct 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hitting prospects for this team will make me nauseous all winter. Too bad Garko blew it in his 80 ABs and Velez capitalized on his. Screw the management of this team.

by out machine on Oct 23, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Shift-A

How many of the projections were close last year?

"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings

by SFGuy on Oct 23, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorta OT, but regarding Posey

I wonder how Sabean’s evaluation will be of Posey, if there is any, based on what he does in the Arizona Fall League. I say this because Posey is only batting .222, while Crawford is at .316 and Neal is at .364.

I’m not saying any of the 3 of these guys are ready or not for the big leagues (especially Crawford and Neal) but how would Sabean make judgements from this?

“Posey sucked during the AFL, so he will start out in AAA. Neal raked in the AFL and will also start in the minors.”

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Oct 23, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, I farted...

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 23, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

If all of the hitters in the lineup were just consistently okay, like these projections show, wouldn’t the offense be a little better? This year’s team would’ve been substantially better without Renteria, Burriss, and Winn all posting sub-.700 OPS’s. Although, these projections don’t include Molina’s 3 year extension, Jermaine Dye’s new 4 year deal, and Velez starting full time in LF…

The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!

by boonitez on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Bill James projections are insanely overoptimistic every year

Yes, folks: this is the insanely overoptimistic version of the Giants offense. Most of the other projections will have most of these guys at 30-40 OPS points worse than this.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 26, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Am With Grant On This
Last year, these hitter projections were really, really optimistic. Either they’ve fixed that this year, or the Giants are even worse than we imagine. It’s probably the latter, but I’m choosing to believe the former.

by giantsrainman on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish we could give Schierholtz 550 AB’s next year just so that he will stop getting generous projections.

by Hobbes2d on Oct 24, 2009 1:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah me too, except, well, then you’d actually have to watch 550 Schierholtz ABs.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Oct 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry they would be quick. 2-3 pitches long probably.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

His KPHBP would go through the roof!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish we could give him 550 AB’s so that he could meet his projections and be a positive contribution to the offense.

Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.

by GiantPain on Oct 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

anyone pumped for tonights game?

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Go Not-The-Yankees!!!

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Oct 24, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It should have been played last night.
I hate these artificial off days. If the Yanks can’t afford the extra pitching then perhaps they shouldn’t be molly coddled so much. Also a game 7 on at Sunday is just strait out stupid.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the field has been

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 24, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darn

No baseball tonight

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

more east coast suckage

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 24, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, it’s MLB scheduling that sucks. This late in the year, you’re pushing your luck playing outdoor baseball. The weather is what it is.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Oct 24, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet another eason I want 154 games a year and a few mandated Double Headers. That gives the shecdule enough flexiblity to avoid this stuff, reschedule in season rain outs and make the first round 7 games. So it will never happen.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

How Many Runs Would These Projections See A Team Made Up Of These Players Scoring In 2010?

First we need to make some assumptions. You can make different assumptions but I am making the following:

1) I am assuming that Eli Whiteside is Buster Posey’s backup catcher.
2) I am assuming Whiteside’s actual 2009 stats of .269 OBP and .339 SLG are his projections for 2010.
3) I am assuming Lincecum’s actual 2009 stats of .219 OBP and .167 SLG are the projections for what the Giants get from the 9th spot in the lineup. Yes, other pitchers did worse then Timmy in 2009, but pinchhitters more then make up for this.
4) I am assuming the following position player playing time and lineup order:

Leftfield – Lewis 55% and Velez 45% resulting in .335 OBP and .397 SLG
SecondBase – Sanchez 70% and Burriss 30% resulting in .326 OBP and .379 SLG
Rightfield – Schierholtz 55%, Torres 35%, and Velez 10% resulting in ..326 OBP and .431 SLG
ThirdBase – Sandoval -90% and Sanchez 10% resulting in .379 OBP and .537 SLG
FirstBase – Garko 50% and Ishikawa 50% resulting in .347 OBP and .445 SLG
Centerfield – Rowand 80% and Torres 20% resulting in .328 OBP and .419 SLG
Shortstop – Renteria 80% and Burriss 20% resulting in .319 OBP and .392 SLG

With these assumptions and using Baseball Musings’ Lineup Analysis Tool, Bill James’ projections sees this potential version of the 2010 Giants scoring 4.432 runs per game for a season total of 718!

http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py?Player0=Leftfield&OBA0=0.335&Slug0=0.397&Player1=SecondBase&OBA1=0.326&Slug1=0.379&Player2=Rightfield&OBA2=0.326&Slug2=0.431&Player3=ThirdBase&OBA3=0.379&Slug3=0.552&Player4=FirstBase&OBA4=0.347&Slug4=0.445&Player5=Centerfield&OBA5=0.328&Slug5=0.419&Player6=Shortstop&OBA6=0.332&Slug6=0.371&Player7=Catcher&OBA7=0.319&Slug7=0.392&Player8=Pitcher&OBA8=0.219&Slug8=0.167&Model=0

by giantsrainman on Oct 24, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I Forgot To Include Catcher And Made A Typo At Shortstop In My Playing Time Assumptions

In my calculations I didn’t forget catcher or make the typo at shortstop so the result does not change. The shortstop typo was that the weighted average SLG should be .371 not .392. I assumed catcher playing time hitting 8th to be as follows:

Catcher – Posey 80% and Whiteside 20% resulting in .319 OBP and .392 SLG

by giantsrainman on Oct 24, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pablo is getting -90% of the playing time at third?

If Freddy gets 10%, who’s getting the other 180%?

I’m thinking Nomar. 4 years, $48 million? Who’s with me? This guy is a proven winner! He played on the eventual world champion 2004 Red Sox!

Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

With optimal lineup construction

And assuming average clutch hitting, unlike this team’s stupendous clutch hitting this season.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 24, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

like i insinuated above

last year, James’ offensive projections were UNIFORMLY higher for all players (compared to other projection systems) meaning that he is probably assuming a higher level of offense than actually occurred in 2007-2009.

So, while James may project the Giants to score 4.4 RPG, what does he project the average NL lineup to be? I would be shocked if it was 4.5 RPG which is what I would guess the 2010 NL average to be.

This is pretty obvious – there is no human way you can predict that Giants offense above to be near league average as currently constructed.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

People here have Buster Posey hysteria like teen girls when they saw the Beatles.
I think .270 with 11 HRs is probably close to right for the first season. And projections I’ve heard is that he is going to be optimistically a Derek Jeter like hitter. I don’t think that’s bad at all, but I think he’s probably not going to be an MVP caliber player. I think Bumgarner will have a better career.

I’d take that Garko production.

Of the outfielders projections, Rowand has far better numbers than the others. He is projected to hit 37 doubles. I think he was fairly clutch last season. I remember him getting some big hits. I do recall that his last month was awful and he looked lost at the plate though.

I wouldn’t sign F. Sanchez unless the Giants sign Holliday or Bay first. Then, it would be ok to sign him- though he’s seemingly always on the DL. But, I’m just picturing that management is going to say that Bay and Holliday were prohibitive because of cost. And in that case, I’d say don’t spend any extra money except for Bay or Holliday or a long term deal for Cain or Lincecum. Hell, I’d say trade Wilson and Affeldt for less costly players if it meant signing Bay or Holliday.

Everyone at AAA should be made to take the first two pitches the whole season.

by parisspleen on Oct 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

And projections I’ve heard is that he is going to be optimistically a Derek Jeter like hitter. I don’t think that’s bad at all, but I think he’s probably not going to be an MVP caliber player.

A catcher who hits like Derek Jeter for 10 years will probably make the Hall of Fame.

by Grant Brisbee on Oct 25, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

It's cool

I’ll just have to show him the ropes.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I might need to buy some more rope first, though.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too late, I’ve already taken him under my wing. (They’re so cute when they’re newbies.)

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Oct 26, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or as the BBWAA will call it then, the Hall of Derek Jeter.

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

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