Bill James 2010 Projections - Part One: Hitters
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
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PrintIt's always tricky to forecast hitting performances. Well, usually. Luckily for us, we follow the Giants. Take the league average hitter, decrease the rate stats by about 10%, lop off a bunch of extra base hits, and poof! Now you have Giants projections that work for almost every non-panda on the roster. Magic!
If you want science instead of magic, you can take a gander at the Bill James 2010 projections. Last year, these hitter projections were really, really optimistic. Either they've fixed that this year, or the Giants are even worse than we imagine. It's probably the latter, but I'm choosing to believe the former. After the jump, I have all of the 2010 hitter projections for the Giants. They aren't for children or people with heart conditions.
Note that these all come from this book, which you can also order directly from the publisher. The FEC or FDA or some crap is requiring that bloggers disclose any freebies they get for putting up post. So I'd like to disclose that I got a free book for putting up a post that I would have put up without a free book. I also got Bill James to appear at my daughter's first birthday party, but that was because I also paid him a nominal fee. Sure, laugh about it now, but you won't be laughing once I can rank a bunch of babies by "Slobber Created/24".
Going alphabetically, obviously. Burriss couldn't really hit last year, but that's okay because everyone expected that. Everyone. Me, you, my cats, Burriss's family members. Everyone except Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy, who were just tickled by Burriss's spring stats. I'm sure they have big plans for him this year, too.
Here he is: the second-best hitter on the 2010 Giants. But I'm sure that Mr. James didn't know that Garko struggled in his first 80 at-bats as a Giant. Maybe I should e-mail him. The revised prediction would be something like .250/.300/.300, I'm sure. Nothing is a better predictor of future success than a random sampling of 80 at-bats.
The book makes it clear that they err on the side of more playing time rather than less playing time, so on a team with miserable first base production, they're gambling that Guzman gets a shot. I'd rather have Guzman and Scott Barnes, but you knew that.
As a lefty option off the bench and a late-inning replacement for Garko, he has his place on the team. He shouldn't be a factor, though, if the Giants want to upgrade.
Maybe the dream really is over, though it should be noted that most of the Lewis love 'n' optimism on this site comes in the comments section. I've never really been a believer. As a fourth outfielder, he's pretty danged nice to have. Of course, on a team planning to start Eugenio Velez, he should probably start, but you knew that.
I'm not sure what's more depressing, the idea that Posey might not be a top-o'-the-order force right away, or the idea that he'd still be a clear offensive upgrade from the last guy, who also happened to be the cleanup hitter.
Hmm. Maybe James didn't know that Renteria was injured for most of the year. And these projections certainly don't include any Magic Mentor Points, a category in which Renteria led the league. So this projection is obviously junk science.
I can't believe this contract isn't going to work out. It just seemed so logical at the time. Everyone here was just crazy about the deal.
What's important is that all of those hits will be acquired professionally. I still want Sanchez back for his combination of defense and positional average offense, not to mention that he wouldn't cost a draft pick, but I'm terrified that he's going to get a three-year deal.
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Another year, another quasi-optimistic prediction for Nate. He's a heckuva fourth outfielder on a good team.
That's a pretty nice center fielder, once defense is taken into account. I mean, just because guys like this are floating around in the minors doesn't mean that it's a bad thing that Rowand is still due $36M. He ran into a wall, people.
And this is just the beginning. Usually phenoms have a little bit of an adjustment period. I mean, Willie Mays only hit .274/.356/.472 in his first full season. Mickey Mantle only hit .267/.349/.443. And those guys weren't fast like Velez. Well, maybe they were, and maybe they combined their speed with an advanced sense of how to run the bases, but VRRRRROOOOOM!, Velez will take the eyebrows right off your face! And he's totally a good hitter now.
Pending free agents:
Whoops. How did Eliezer sneak in there? What a strange mistake. No matter. We all know that the offense will sputter without key cog Bengie Molina.
Maybe he isn't an obvious upgrade over Renteria. I'd still take the chance that he is, though.
Gee, with a power surge like that, maybe he should move from the third spot in the lineup to cleanup hitter. Get it done, Boch.
Not in the team picture: Kevin Frandsen and John Bowker. I'm not sure why, but I'll just guess that Bowker's projection is something like .350/.450/.650.
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VVVVVRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
Even on this team with this manager, I can’t imagine Rowand getting 575 at bats next year.
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
Projecting Molina triples…now that’s a different story.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Projecting PT is pretty hard to do.
Looks like Bill chose to guess that Guzman gets the LF job though.
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It’s really his numbers with Cleveland. Again, why didn’t he get more plate appearances?
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the BJ projections
Tee hee.
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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
James just projected Panda, looked at the rest of the offense, shuddered, and slapped a .265/.330/.400 with 8 home runs for everybody else.
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The projections for Renteria, Velez, and Winn actually look kind of optimistic to me. Which is sad.
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by jcb9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I also think it’s probably the equivalent of eating terrible food for 4 years and then getting a hot dog.
Oh man, now I want a hot dog.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
I would be THRILLED if Renteria put up a .718 OPS, especially if it really came with the league-average OBP.
I second that.
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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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Freakin’ brilliant! That is still making me smile even after reading the rest of the James projections.
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It is funny
But I’m not sure I really want the other guys adopting Pablo’s approach at the plate. The greatest possible indictment of this team’s offense has to be the fact that Pablito led the club in walks. A guy who swings at half the pitches he sees led the team in walks.
That is the approach the team seems to want. The ’09 Giants did have over 2000 PA ( yes 2k) from hitter with over a 50 Swing%. I agree it is not what I want but the appearance the team wants this makes the absurdity level laughably high.
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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
this should also be noted:
the rest of the giants DO follow pablo’s approach (i.e. swing at shit) and suck at it
Also
These have Molina’s OBP being 30 points higher than his BA. That’s happened once (right on the nose) in the last three years. The other two: +22 and +20.
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“Doesn’t cheat the game.”
“He plays the game the right way.
“Fisted inot right field!”
I am sure at least one of those 3 apply.
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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you were in this thread, but recently I worked out that Molina has half the walk rate of Vladimir Guerrero. And that’s career. Lately Molina’s rate has been even worse.
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Not too surprising. Vlad is hacker-ish but he’s always had average-to-above BB%’s. Molina just hacks and is unwilling to walk.
It’s just kind of sad when you have half the walk rate of perhaps the most iconic hacker of your generation.
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It is sad, but Vlad’s not as bad (at getting walks) as most assume. Career BB% of 8.9 which is slightly above-average. High of 13.8% in 2003 with the Expos. Consider this: In ’02 Vlad drew 84 walks in 709 plate appearances. Molina has 184 career walks in 4,743 career plate appearances.
That’s almost half of Molina’s career walks in a single season in just 15% of the same amount of playing time.
Also, I guess some of Vlad’s BB totals are padded by his IBBs, but still my point remains.
I hate Bengie Molina.
Yes.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Oct 24, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
If you had his back and knees you would be crazy to want a BB
Especially since the rest of the lineup plays station-to-station.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And off-topic
Today is ANOTHER off-day in the playoffs? Geez, they’re really dragging this out, aren’t they?
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Seems to me the front page of Yahoo! Sports is picturing someone who just saw these projections as well:
He doesn’t know whether to be angry or cry.
Could probably be a better manager for the Giants than we currently have.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s great on House.
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I like them, but I’m not specifically a fan. I don’t care for Roethlesberger, but I think it’s admirable to see a franchise that really is run the right way (and doesn’t have many players I hate… like the Patriots).
That’s why when other 49ers fans were hating the Steelers because they were going to get to 6 SBs first, I was like, “Man, I wish our team was run like theirs. They deserve it.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
nope
my dad grew up in Pittsburgh, so he brought fandom into the house
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
technically
i’m also a pirate fan.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
LOL YOU
bright side: the pirates manager is not bruce bochy
whiteside downside: the giants manager is bruce bochy
it's actually been fairly easy
I’ve never been put in a situation where i’d have to root against the pirates in a meaningful game, because they’re so awful.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
it’s actually been fairly easy
I’ve never been put in a situation wherei’d have to root againstI’ve been able to root for the pirates in a meaningful game, because they’re so awful.
Poor Pirates. They’ve always been a secondary favorite of mine, because I was on the Pirates in Little League and because I rooted so hard for them as a kid during those soul-crushing NLCS in the early 90s.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus the whole part about
Freddie Sanchez, Rajai Davis, John Vanderwall, Jason Schmidt, and Sir Barold Lamar Bonds.
bring back Barry
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by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
dirt cheap 20+ HRs and solid OBP, is that something you might be interested in?
by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
First, the reply button is useful.
Second, if they were going to do that, they’d have done it a long time ago.
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yes, excuse the n00bery, realized that after i posted. and yes, i realize that would have been done already. the injustice of that situatio n kept me up last night for some reason
by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, what can I say? too many great memories of my teenage years associated with that man. now I’m just a bitter old man
by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i’m as serious as a heart attack, i can’t take another season of this offense
by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
Might want to become a Yankees fan then.
by deuce deuce on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
VRRRRROOOOOM!, Velez will take the eyebrows right off your face!
LOL/sobs
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by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
LOL Natto from the Rowand thread:
Re: Our lineup calls for aid!
I’m a Molina fan, but if he’s our cleanup hitter by the time Opening Day rolls by, I’ll get physically ill.
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by Natto on Dec 13, 2007 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note that was opening day 2007 :(
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I wasn’t on MCC much that offseason, so I didn’t post there. My main memory of the Rowannd signing was seeing it and facepalming, and then later going on Facebook. The guy who ran some Giants fan group was so excited about it that he sent a message to all the group members with a subject something like, “Great News!” FAIL.
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HEY GUYS, I’M A PHILLIES FAN BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU’RE GOING TO LOVE AARON ROWAND!
I remember a lot of those.
haha, i wasnt here yet, but damn, i’m so emphatic for having a guy who crashes into walls for a ball! HELL YEA I"M ECCITED
You ungrateful fucks
You watch this video, then you come back and talk shit about aaron rowand
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
That was a pretty great catch
And the Giants gave Rowan a pretty dumb contract.
These things are not mutually exclusive.
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/ debates if worth the time to search up link to crushing pennant race triple play.
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Hey, that was cool
Aaron Rowand is still not worth $12M a year.
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Man, I need to watch that game again.
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it would be funny if this were just a link to him swinging over a slider
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
The sad thing is, he probably cost his team runs by running into the wall. I suspect one non-catch would have been less important than the PT he missed because of it…
by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t watch the video before I posted, I assumed you meant breaking his nose catch….my bad.
by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, now that I watch that again, I’m pretty sure a lot of center fielders would make that catch.
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by raisingcain on Oct 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I got those from everyone here. You what was funny though, is that none of them were upset he left.
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by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My first thought when we made that signing:
“Now we have five center fielders, yay!”
My second thought:
“They totally signed him to be the exact PR opposite of Barry.”
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And I did!
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The gray hair doesn’t help him any. Needs Just for Men.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
HE SHOULD USE JUST FOR MEN’S PUBES
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the carpet matches the pubes.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
"He doesn’t cheat the game."
"He plays the game the right way.
"Fisted into right field!"
…
I am sure at least one of those 3 applies here.
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whiteside cheats the game more than bengie
yet he plays more than posey. but benie plays more than both of them, and posey plays less than both of them
I think Panda will be cloer to 40 HRs than 24.
I’ll share other thoughts later if I have them.
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He missed chance to to pile on a Richard joke above. I don’t think our Goofus is feeeling well.
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by daveinexile on Oct 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Serious. Pablo averaged 5.5 HRs/month from June on. If he does that for a full season, he’ll hit 33.
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Ah, I’m not sure I consider 33 HRs “closer to 40” maybe closer to 30? That’s semantics though. I think Pablo is a 30 HR hitter in a really good year. I could see him settling into a good run of 20-25 HR seasons.
Does this compute?
Difference between 33 and 24 = 9
Difference between 33 and 40 = 7
Plus, I think if his plate discipline continues to improve, he’ll see more good pitches where he can stay balanced and drive the ball. Pablo’s an amazing bad ball hitter, but it seems like most of his HRs came from balls in the stike zone.
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I kinda thought you were saying he was a 40 HR guy too.
30, I can buy that.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
My projection for Sandoval
.472 / .694 / 1.026. 81 home runs.
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My projection
1.000/.995/4.000
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Sure it is!
You can have an OBP lower than your AVG if you get more sacrifice flies/bunts than walks. Bengie Molina was in this category for quite a while early this season.
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But wouldn’t that give you less than a 4.000 SLG?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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I know this is common sense, but y brain isn’t working, so can you elaborate?
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SLG is total bases per AB’s.
Sacrifices don’t count as AB’s, so they don’t affect SLG.
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Ah, got it. Thought it was plate appearances.
But wait, would walks count still?
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Not in the team picture: Kevin Frandsen and John Bowker. I’m not sure why, but I’ll just guess that Bowker’s projection is something like .350/.450/.650.*
- = In AAA Fresno.
Also, am I being unreasonable for thinking that BJ was being down on Pablo for only having him at the same numbers he put up this season?
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Yeah, I was thinking it was good that BJ projected consistency, but I can’t help but want a little more. I feel guilty.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandoval’s 2009 was a +5 win season, that’s an All-Star year for any player. That’s pretty damn good.
Not when Shane Victorino and Jayson Werth are in the league!
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Man, imagine if Rollins has a good start… it could easily be Rollins, Utley, Howard, Werth, Victorino, Ibanez, and Lee
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by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pretty impressed to find that Sandoval’s 2009 was a better than Will Clark’s rookie year, and better than Barry Bonds’s season at the same age.
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I’m not disagreeing. Chances are, if Pablo is consistently this good over the next 5 years, he will probably have a year where he goes absolutely nuts and puts up a 1.050 OPS with 40 bombs. and 10 steals. I’m just greedy thats all. Let’s clone Pablo.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I would take it, for sure, but it would be a little disappointing, considering he put up that line at age 23 and clearly improved over the course of the year, especially in terms of plate discipline. I would think a 1.000 OPS is a realistic expectation.
I don’t think I can even call it a little disappointing. A +5 win season is something everyone should be really happy with every year. He’s still young but I don’t think it means he’s automatically due to get better.
Not to say I don’t think he could do a 1.000 OPS year but he’s going to have some things break for him.
like taking more walks.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
which granted, for all we know his BABIP could be a repeatable skill.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
However, It’s more likely (in my mind) that Buster and Pablo both put up .900+ OPS numbers than Pablo going over 1.000. But it could happen, as Panda is magical.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In the minors he had BABIP numbers roughly as good as his 2009, which suggests that he should be able to sustain a very high number. But his 2009 (.353) was very close to Ichiro’s career number (.359). I find it difficult to believe that he can keep that up, but .330 or even .340 would not surprise me.
If his minor league BABIP was about what his major league BABIP was this year, shouldn’t it probably come down? That doesn’t translate at a 1:1 ratio.
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normally, yes. But we’re talking about a hitter who had a pretty consistent line from A San Jose all the way to the Majors in one year. There was no dropoff at each level like we would expect from any other hitter.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that he was still a very good hitter does not mean that the defenses were of a consistent major league quality at every level.
Also, there was a dropoff between San Jose and Connecticut of about 100 points of OPS, including 20 points of BA.
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Yeah, basically minor league BABIP’s are inflated because the quality of the defense is a decent amount below MLB level.
by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
NO WAY! CHEATER!
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A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I see what you did there!
Keep him away the farm help in Richmond!!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
And if he’s serious about his conditioning, he should be stronger down the stretch. There a couple points last season where he was running on fumes.
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I can’t wait to read the ST articles about Pablo when he comes into camp.
NOT AS FAT, BEST SHAPE OF LIFE!
He's started working out already
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by seyheystretch on Oct 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The important thing from these numbers
This lineup will be much much better with Sandoval AND Garko in the lineup.
Don’t move Pablo to 1st. I know you want to. Don’t.
Stop it.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
The sheer number of BJ jokes and possible jokes in this thread may collapse the internet.
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I don’t know, If Deadspin didn’t collapse the internet 2 days ago, nothing will.
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
let's start this up again.
I’m not your buddy, guy.
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NOT UR PAL CHUM
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NOT UR BRO COMPADRE
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
You know
Looking up Barry Bonds’s Value section on Fangraphs is pretty mind-blowing. +113.9 hitting in 2002. +83.8 on 2003. +109.5 in 2004.
+83.88 WAS LIKE AN OFF YEAR.
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109!
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Also the number of RBIs Will Clark had in 1989 to lead the NL
The number keeps showing up in Giants history.
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THE NUMBERS ARE THE KEY
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Fun fact: these pictures are from different movies.
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every time someone says "Nick Cage"
I always read it as “Nick Cave” and get excited but then it never actually is.
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Except with that film he did make
I was like, why is Nick Cage making an Australian cowboy filOMG IT’S NICK CAVE
NERD
BIRDY and RAISING ARIZONA were what Eighties cinema could have been more of.
VALLEY GIRL was OK, it had MILF.
I don’t think he has a big forehead!
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by say hey nation on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact is not as fun as previously advertised.
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I still don't understand
how this guy became an action movie star
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True fact
He was once considered for the lead role in The Wrestler.
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This could have happened as wel...
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Sadly this is happening
Goodbye childhood!
Nicolas Cage in Sorcerer’s Apprentice
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Holy crap
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Another gap in my film-watching
I think the last Disney cartoon film I watched was The Little Mermaid.
I was never a fan, though, so this one is pretty much on purpose.
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You’ve missed out on a lot.
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Are you looking forward to the Princess and the Frog? I like that Disney’s trying to be kind of good again, and it’s about damn time they had a black Princess, but it still looks pretty weak to me.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems like their heart is in the right place, but they’re fucking it up anyway. (Finally, a black princess! And… she spends almost the entire movie as a frog!)
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I’m iffy on the story, but the animation looks fantastic, which is what I’ll be watching it for anyway. We need more traditionally animated flicks.
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Isn’t Pixar working on a traditional, 2-D? I don’t know how traditional… but 2-D, right?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe so, but I don’t know much about it. Pixar does a really good job of keeping projects on the down low.
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You know, looking the movies Disney made in the 90’s, I really wonder how they didn’t take more crap for their villains. Practically in every movie the villain is black and/or a gay stereotype.
The only exception I can think of is Beauty and the Beast, I guess, though I don’t really remember Garson.
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Beauty and the Beast was the last Disney cartoon I enjoyed. Gaston was more funny than scary to me, a predecessor to Shrek’s Prince Charming – the perfect hero type who turns out to be the bad (and kinda silly) guy.
What I remember coming out from Disney/Pixar:
2010 – Toy Story 3, Rapunzel (2D)
2011 – Newt, The Bear and the Bow (2D?)
2012 – Cars 2, King of the Elves (2D)
But I don’t think it’s been confirmed that The Bear and the Bow is 2D, just that it’s the first fairy tale from Pixar.
I think Rapunzel is a pretty weak fairy tale but some of the concept art that’s been released look promising.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Cars 2 seems unnecessary.
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So did Cars 1.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, it wasn’t Pixar’s best, but it was still better than a lot of other movies.
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Really?
Aladdin and The Lion King were immediately after Beauty and the Beast, and they were both pretty awesome. I mean, I guess you could argue that Aladdin had some (ahem) cultural sensitivity issues- and it’s easy to forget that Robin Williams’ shtick wasn’t always irritating- but it’s a solid entry in the Disney canon.
But Hamlet-on-the-Veldt? Epic win all the way around.
(Though I did make an entire theatre packed with little kids burst into tears en masse with a cruel laugh timed just as Simba approaches Mufasa after the wildebeest stampede.)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Robin Williams sank Aladdin for me and as for TLK, I thought it was really good but not as entertaining as BATB. Also, when it comes to animated films, I guess I’m partial to those with human leads. So for example, I liked The Incredibles more than Finding Nemo.
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Uh... what?
Villains in Disney animated features
1990 The Rescuers Down Under – McLeach, an Australian poacher
1991 Beauty and the Beast - Gaston, French(?) white guy
1992 Aladdin – Jafar, Arabian wizard
1994 The Lion King – Scar, technically I suppose he’s of African descent
1995 Pocahontas – Gov. Ratcliffe, old white guy
1996 The Hunchback of Notre Dame – Archdeacon, old white guy
1997 Hercules – Hades
1998 Mulan – Shan Yu, a Hun
1999 Tarzan – Clayon, a white hunter
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By “the 90’s” I meant the Disny revival, which for me isTLM to Hercules/Mulan.
In The Little Mermaid, every character in the movie is white as snow, except for Ursula, who’s black (or dark blue, technically). Ariel and all her sisters are extremely feminine, while Ursula is fat and pretty much looks like a drag queen.
The Lion King: you seriously didn’t notice that Scar is the only black lion in the entire movie? He’s also skinny and effeminate, especially compared to Mufasa or Simba.
Obviously In Aladdin there aren’t any black people, but Jafar looks a lot more like an Arab stereotype than Aladdin, who just looks like a slightly tanned white guy.
And in Hercules Hades is again the only dark-skinned god.
Not every movie, but you get the point.
I also seem to remember that the Mongols (is that what they were? They call them Huns, but the real Huns lived in eastern Europe, so that doesn’t make any sense) in Mulan all looked like monsters, but I don’t remember the movie well enough. I also completely forgot about Pocahontas, probably because I don’t like it.
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I don’t deny that Disney has done some questionable things, but I think you’re kind of reaching there.
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I think if you’re going to take issue with The Lion King, he first place you’d look is the Hyenas.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t really seem to equate this to black
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Maybe Hispanic but not black
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by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily “black” as in Afro-American. Just dark skinned.
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Good = Light / Bad = Dark is also a fairly classical “good vs. bad” trope.
Come to the dark side.
There’s darkness in his soul.
He’s lurking in the shadows.
It’s not specifically a racially motivated thing. In a completely non-skin-colory way, people do have a predisposition (whether natural or nurtural) to see the darkness as scary and the light as comforting.
In a racially charged environment, that classicism does become a legitimate problem. But I do think that in some – even most – cases, it’s simply playing to traditional archetypes of good and bad. Dark and light. Etc.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
First of all, generally what you’re may be true. Or at least it sounds true. There’s also a logical reason to believe it – human are daytime animals, and can barely function when it’s dark, so darkness scares the crap out of us. But here’s the thing – you tried to show that it’s not racially motivated, but all the examples you gave to prove it come from the part of the world that is controlled by white people. This also happens to be the part you and I live in, so it’s not like I’m trying to criticize you, but if you want to see the bigger picture, you’ll have to take a few more steps back.
I’m not an expert on the subject, but as far as I know, it’s only in the European-Western (and White) world that blackness is so clearly associated with evil. Just a quick Wiki search found:
- For the Maasai people, who live in Kenya and Tanzania, blackness symbolizes life and prosperity (because it’s associated with rain clouds).
- For Native Americans, blackness symbolized the life-giving soil.
- In Japanese culture, blackness is associated with honor (and white symbolizes death).
- Black is associated with mourning in Chinese culture, but some think it was adapted from Western culture.
So it’s hardly a universal thing.
Is it a coincidence that the whiter people on the planet, who generally saw themselves as superior to other, darker people, created a society in which white so clearly symbolized good and black clearly symbolized evil? Maybe. I really don’t know. But I’m just trying to show that saying that something is a “cultural issue, not a racial one” can be problematic, because culture and race clearly have huge effects on one another.
Now, obviously I’m not criticizing Disney for not shattering the walls of the Western World. In the Western World, black does symbolize evil. But, to me, there is a difference between having the villain wear black or live in a black castle, and giving him or her dark skin, because I think it has a different effect on kids’ minds. To emphasize, I’m NOT claiming that the people who did this were racist or anything, just that it’s dangerous to consistently give villains dark skin, both because it can offend people, and because I believe these movies all affect kids in some way or another (that’s why we give the movies morals, after all – it’s a way to educate kids. A fun way, but still).
P.S. After Natto’s comment I realized that what I saw as consistency was partially the result of my selective memory (it seems that I only liked the movies with dark-skinned villains – maybe I’m racist). Still I claim that there is a general pattern – either there aren’t any dark characters, or there are some and they are the villains. Interestingly, the two clear exceptions – Pocahontas and THoND, are the only two that directly referenced the character’s race (Pocahontas is Native American, Esmeralda is Romani), which does fit with what you’re saying – it’s not a dark skin color as an indicator of race (though I think I still have issues with Jafar), but rather as a general indicator of evil. But like I said, it’s hard to separate one from the other. And even if you can, that doesn’t mean an 8 y-o can.
Hope I made myself clear.
Long post is long again.
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But we are talking about our culture so Howie is right.
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by say hey nation on Oct 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw Survivor Africa
Night/darkness is scary in Africa…that’s when you can get eaten by lions!
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Oh, I don’t want to say that the light/darkness thing isn’t a problem. I just think that the problem shouldn’t be assumed to be coded into every instance of the use.
The Lion King, though I haven’t seen it in a long time, is an interesting case of race stuff, and I was surprised that you went to Scar instead of somewhere else. To my mind, Scar is just a character who is designed to look evil, and the easiest way for Disney to do that is to play to a classic design.
But, as I said, the Hyenas have been mentioned to me as a lousy portrayal of a black stereotype (though it surprises me that Whoopi Goldberg would have anything to do with THAT… so I won’t push it further without seeing the movie again… and wow, Cheech voiced one of them? Man, I really have to see it again).
On the other hand, Mufasa was voiced by James Earl Jones, a black man. Rafiki is probably the clearest case of using a racial type in the movie, but he’s used in a more or less positive way.
Scar, on the other hand, is one of the few characters who has a name that is actually an English word. He’s voiced by a British actor. I mean, if Disney was aware of what they were doing racially, then they sure did go out of their way to Anglicize Scar as opposed to the rest of the characters.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I’m not saying they necessarily aware of what they were doing racially. Like I said, when race was referenced directly, it was different. The movies are made for kids, and they want the kids to be able to be scared of the villain. The do it by giving him a scary name, or a scary voice, or a scary look, which, in the time period I’m talking about, often included a dark skin. And by doing that, they were part of a cycle – dark skin is scary, so kids’ movies have villains with dark skin, so kids think that dark skin is scary, etc.
Notice that I didn’t claim that Disney is racist – I specifically mentioned that it’s not what I’m saying. My original comment was that I’m surprising they weren’t criticized for it. Maybe they were and I don’t know, or maybe they noticed the pattern themselves, because they completely stopped with it when they started making 3-D movies, or even a bit before.
The reason I “went to Scar” is that the Hyenas aren’t relevant to my point. There is much to be written about racial motives in Disney’s movies, or in kids’ movies in general, but I’m talking about a very specific thing – a dark skinned villain in a world of light-skinned heroes.
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It’s white that’s the color of mourning in Chinese culture, not black.
I do think there probably is some propensity to associate black with evil and white with good, because if you’re a primitive hunter-gatherer, night time can be pretty scary, as opposed to the safety of light and the utility of fire. But then, why do we call white people white and black people black? Neither actually is.
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Oh, obviously that’s true (I mentioned it way up there), but a dark color doesn’t have to symbolize. I was trying to show that different cultures associate it with different things, and, as far a I know, only in the Western culture darkness is so clearly associated only with bad things.
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He’s more English than black.
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The Lion King
Scar – Jeremy Irons (white)
Mufasa – James Earl Jones (black)
Oh, the irony!
What about Star Wars? Darth Vader was a white man inside a black costume, but voiced-over by a black man.
I think you’ll give yourself a headache over-analyzing this stuff.
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An 8 y-o who watches Lion King doesn’t know that. What he does know is that there are a million good lions in the movie and they’re all light-skinned (light-furred?), while there is only one evil lion, and he happens to also be the only dark-skinned one.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really like the direction Disney is headed with their fairytales movies. Disney shouldn’t try to parody their own formula (the movie with the princess who comes to the real world and the Princess and the Frog are both examples of this).
They should just make good movies again.
Also, why the heck is the Princess and the Frog taking place in Louisiana? Also, also, Shrek’s already done the switcharoo theme (oh, it was the princess who turned into a frog, how novel). Also also also, I agree with jponry; finally a black princess…and they turn her into a frog.
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Maybe we should see the movie before we judge it.
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I'm not judging the movie
I’m judging the trend Disney has been going through.
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Well, I disagree with you
Enchanted (the movie to which you were referring) was a great movie and was more of an homage to past “princess” movies than a straight parody. It was a breath of fresh air for Disney. And Princess and the Frog looks as much like a classic Disney animated flick as their previous ones. I’ve been very critical of Disney for a while, but I have to admit they’ve improved in some areas in the past few years, the revival of 2D animation being one of them.
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Movies I have liked that starred Nicholas Cage
1) Adaptation
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The Rock
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I liked The Weather Man.
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I haven’t seen any of these three.
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I would’ve thought Leaving Las Vegas would be the one people would be surprised by.
But no. I like movies fine, but I’m not a film buff, so there are huge numbers of movies everyone’s seen and I haven’t.
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I thought of The Rock first because of the connection to SF.
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Right.
Which leads me to another thing: I’ve never been to Alcatraz. That’s like the one big San Francisco tourist trap I’ve never done.
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I’ve only gone once, and that was for a 3rd grade field trip.
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Alcatraz will always hold a special place for me as the place our AP US History class wasted money in our budget.
Our teacher (it was his first year doing AP) came into the class one day and said “I just noticed we have a bunch of money in the AP budget we can use for a field trip or something. You guys want to go to Alcatraz?”
We did nothing academic related and is was more of a trip to San Fran that included Alcatraz. It was awesome.
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It’s worth seeing once. Not as much of a tourist trap as some of the other “attractions” on Fisherman’s Wharf.
I’ve never been to Coit Tower.
I saw it on an episode of “Full House”. That is more then enough for me.
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IIRC just an exterior shot.
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I’m kind of frighetened that you know this and you’re not even the one who brought it up.
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I remember being happy that they filmed on location in SF for that/those episode(s). but was then disappointed when they never actually took advantage of it.
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Trauma is a new one.
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NBC
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“Masquerade” It’s Halloween in San Francisco and chaos erupts at a party, keeping our first responders busy.
I think I’ll just see the reality version of this.
It won’t be in Castro!
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I saw them filming the Halloween episode of Trauma. They turned the Crunch on Polk Street into the Castro theater. The Pilot Episode was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
They turned the Crunch on Polk Street into the Castro theater.
What, why? They couldn’t film in the Castro?
They don’t have the big crazy party in Castro anymore anyway.
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The pilot wasn’t great. I think the shows have been getting better though. Often times, the pilots are MUCH different than what the series actually is
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That is actually a rule of mine, to not judge a show by the pilot.
I have no idea why they didn’t shoot in the Castro.
I actually know a girl who is in the Halloween episode, that’s why I was watching in the first place.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I work on Trauma, so if there is any bias thats why. I started working after that episode filmed, so don’t have answers to that. Many times there are logistics that need to be worked out that makes certain locations better than others
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I think I read on sfgate that there’s going to be a new one.
True Nash Bridges story: when I was working in Downtown Oakland, I was leaving for my lunch break and saw a bunch of people gathered around the front window looking down on Broadway. A robbery was in progress at the jewelry store across the street. Four masked men ran out of the store like nobody’s business, scurried into a car, and skidded off around the corner.
A minute later, the same car pulled back in. I was all kinds of WTF.
Then I noticed the cameras. Turns out it was a scene for Nash Bridges.
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There was going to be another one, called “Parenthood” but it sounds like they will be filming that one up in Vancouver. I could totally be thinking of a different show though.
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“That’s So Raven” is supposed to take place in San Francisco, but you never see any signs of it.
…
MY LITTLE COUSINS WATCH IT, OK?!
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that’s a lie, they always have a bunch of stock footage of the golden gate bridge and sutro tower and fisherman’s wharf when the scene changes!!!!
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I totally pass by all those landmarks everyday while riding on the cable car!
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Yeah, SF hasn’t been too welcoming for stuff to be filmed there. So, many places are using other places (like Canada) and still saying the shows are supposed to be in SF
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The Disney Channel is probably just cheap.
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I just think of the old WB comedy starring Robert Townsend.
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I quite like Coit Tower.
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For the view, amirite?
I’ll go someday. I’ve always wanted to take the stairs up Telegraph Hill but whenever I’m in the area, I get lazy and put it off.
Yeah, a lot of people haven’t seen LLV. I had to watch it for a film class. It’s pretty good although I don’t think it was much of a stretch for Nick Cage to play his character.
Hooker buying: Check
Suicidal: Check
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
I remember thinking it was well acted, but didn’t actually have a plot.
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How about movies with Nic Cage?
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Good lord! How’d we go this far in a Nicolas Cage thread without anybody mentioning Raising Arizona?
Or Moonstruck for that matter (“I’m not a freaking monument to justice! I lost my hand!”)
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Some movies that everyone in the world is shocked I haven't seen and someday I'll get around to it I guess
- The Godfather movies
- Citizen Kane
- Casablanca
- Most classic old films, actually
- Any movie starring Brad Pitt. Seriously. I haven’t seen any of them.
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The only of these I’ve seen is the The Godfather. You should watch it.
Brad Pitt…let’s see, does Burn After Reading count? Otherwise, I don’t think so.
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12 Monkeys is overrated.
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maybe in a Derek Jeter way.
Pitt’s not a great actor, but he’s in some good movies. I liked Seven a lot as well.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I hate Bruce Willis.
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I’m not a huge fan, but he’s not a deal breaker.
The Fifth Element, for example. (Which is overrated but still plenty good).
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Fight Club is one of those things that was so hyped that I got sick of it before I had a chance to see it, so now I don’t want to.
I feel the same way about the Harry Potter books.
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Pitt
is awesome in Inglourious Bastards. Especailly when he is speaking “Italian”.
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Burn After Reading was pretty good. The movie reminded me a lot of James Coburn stuff in the ’60’s (The President’s Psychiatrist, The Flinn movies)
A River Runs Through It as well but I wonder how it would play to a urban or suburban crowd.
Legends of the Fall was passable. His character in this one was a variant on his character on A River Runs Through It. Otherwise the best thing I can say about Brad Pitt is I earn extra get out of jail points with She Who Must Be Obeyed when he is on.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
I haven’t seen Casablanca or the last two Godfather movies. I’ve seen way more Brad Pitt movies than I need to.
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Did you not like the first Gofather?
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I thought it was OK.
I just haven’t gotten around to seeing the others.
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Those aren’t too bad outside of the last one. Dude, how have you NOT seen a BP movie?
FWIW, I’ve never seen any of The Matrix movies.
I saw the first Matrix movie and thought it was okay but really overrated. I saw the second and thought it was horrible. I refused to see the third.
I also don’t like action movies very much, so there’s that.
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I know people who did.
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No, they think the trilogy is a brilliant exploration of existentialism…or something.
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NEO IS JESUS!
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Casablanca is awesome.
“what nationality are you?”
“alcoholic”.
Citizen Kane was groundbreaking, but I don’t think it has aged well.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Also, I don’t think I’ve seen any Hitchcock films except for Vertigo.
The Shawshank Redemption is one of my wife’s favorite movies, but I’ve never seen it all the way through. I have seen bits and pieces here and there while she’s watched it. And early in our relationship we watched it together, but, uh, we made out through the entire movie. So I really only saw the first few minutes. Heh.
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Never saw a Hitchcock film.
Never saw a Tarantino film.
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I don’t think I’ve seen any Tarantino films either, now that you mention it.
Wait, I think he wrote Natural Born Killers. I’ve seen that. And he had a cameo in Desperado. But films he’s directed, I don’t think so.
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I want to see Pulp Fiction, though, because my friend swears it’s the bestest film ever.
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My favorite scene of all time is from Pulp Fiction.
Here for who want to see it again, though if you haven’t seen the movie, I suggest you don’t watch the clip.
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
That’s actually way weirder.
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Which reminds me: Jaws is a terrible movie, and Spielberg is a mediocre movie maker.
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Here’s another: I’ve never seen Jaws. Or any Rocky movies. Or any Rambo movies.
I’ve only seen one Terminator movie, and I can’t remember if it was the first or the second.
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If Arnold was the bad guy, it was the first one.
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I recently rewatched T2, and the SFX still hold up. It’s awesome.
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Just the right mixture of puppets, CGI and good ol’ fashion explosions and stunts.
Now the theme song is going to be stuck in my head until I watch it.
BAM BAM BUMBUM BAM
BAM BAM BUMBUM BAM
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It was like 17 years ago, and I was watching at my friend’s house, and he was way more into it than I was, so I really don’t remember.
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Here’s another: I’ve never seen Jaws. Or any Rocky movies. Or any Rambo movies.
Me either.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Get away from me, you weirdos.
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Jaws sucks. It really does. It’s like Star Wars – everybody know it’s not a very good movie, but no one has the guts to say.
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Mega Shark Vs Giant Octopus on the other hand…
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I thought Jaws was legitimately good.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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NO YOU DIDN’T YOU’RE JUST AFRAID TO ADMIT IT
IT’S OK
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LOL Cookeyman is angry…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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there’s nothing wrong with the first two Star Wars movies.
I haven’t seen Jaws.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Greatest fight scene was in Episode I though
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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The first two are OK. The third has some embarrassing parts. The prequels are completely unwatchable.
Also coughracistcough.
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see, here I thought you were being a contrarian, but that’s exactly what most people think.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I don’t know, I think most people consider the first two more than OK.
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I think most people think the first two are escapist fun, and decently well made at that. After that, things start to get undefendable.
People who really like The Matrix really consider it a work of art, though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
DON'T YOU SEE??!
THERE IS NO SPOON!!!
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MY ANUS IS BLEEDING!
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I don’t know anyone who likes the Matrix that much.
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Consider yourself lucky. There was a lot of self-important blather about how Deep and Meaningful they were.
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people need to read more
I mean, jeez, you throw a little plato out there with some special effects and everyone thinks it’s the deepest thing ever thought.
It’s kind of a mish-mash of Plato, gnosticism, Philip K. Dick, special effects, and big dumb action, I thought.
My mother’s defense of the films had to do with existentialism, but I don’t remember why.
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and I don't really have an issue with the movie
it was fun. And hey, I don’t mind a little philosophy in pop art.
I just mind the people that go away from that thinking that they’ve learned some big huge thing.
I have the same problem with people who are all about Freakanomics.
I used to think that when I was a kid. Now I think the movie goes pretty much downhill after Han was rescued.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Interesting Fact
Harrison Ford wanted Han to die at the end of Empire.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not because he didn’t like the character. He just didn’t think there was any story left to tell with Han.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying that the prequels are racist, or the Star Wars films in general?
I’ve only seen The Phantom Menace from the new ones, but Jar Jar Binks, yeah.
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not as much as me
I’m against all humans who aren’t me.
…in the field of science fiction/fantasy.
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Okay, so you’ve seen Chasing Amy but not the Godfather, Reservoir Dogs, or Casablanca.
???
"It's too late now."
heh
What can I say – I saw Clerks when I was a bitter, disgruntled teenager in Central Jersey. I have a soft spot for Kevin Smith.
It’s not that I don’t watch movies at all – I do! It’s just very random and patchy. I’ve seen Chasing Amy but not Casablanca. I’ve seen almost all of Paul Thomas Anderson’s films, but none of Quentin Tarantino. I’ve seen Crooklyn but not Do The Right Thing. etc.
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This is true.
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Watto is the one who isn’t racist.
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Like I said, I’ve only seen the first one, but Jar Jar Binks was a pretty straight caricature as I recall.
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Dude was an alien. I know, I know. Representation and all that.
Still, dude was an alien. An annoying alien.
He was all about making the kiddies laugh.
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You seriously didn’t have a problem with Watto?
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This is actually the first time I’ve heard the Watto-as-racist idea.
I had heard Jar Jar (all the time). I had heard the Neimoidians. But this is the first time anyone has said that Watto was racist…
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Watto always struck me as astonishingly anti-semitic. But by the time he showed up, I had already decided I was watching a horrifying abortion of a once-beloved franchise, so perhaps I was predisposed to think the worst of every aspect of it.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watto#Controversy
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just curious
do any of you read Darths and Droids? (www.darthsanddroids.com)
It’s fantastic. They’ve made Jar-Jar likeable.
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I support Jaws’ message. Sahrks are terrifying. Assassins of the sea. Mindless killing machines. Blow them all up, I say.
ANTI-SHARK PROPAGANDA
SHARKS ARE OUR FRIENDS, PEOPLE
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What’s so bad about Jaws? I think its great. It isn’t art, but its a lot of fun.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Of course it's art
Even horrible movies are art. Bad art. But art nonetheless.
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By art I meant “worthy of endless academic study”.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I concede that. I probably chose my words poorly.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Hitchcock is great. Tarantino is more miss than hit.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
With Quentin I’d argue the opposite, his good list is Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs, Jackie Brown and Inglorious Basterds. Kill Bill 1&2 are good and not on the level, and Death Proof was basically just a b movie. I’d say Death Proof is the only really miss movie, but it has its moments
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by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Casablanca is a fantastic movie
The others, whatever. Don’t even bother with Citizen Kane. Talk about over-rated.
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Hating Citizen Kane seems to be pretty popular these days. Why? It has a great, deep story and is technically brilliant.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I suspect that watching Citizen Kane would be a pretty bizarre experience for me at this point, since I’ve never seen it, but The Simpsons has parodied almost every scene in it.
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I think I was too harsh with my comment about Citizen Kane. Sometimes my reactions to certain things are more reactions to how other people feel about that thing. It’s my contrarian nature. I was really bad about it as a teenager. I have mostly gotten over it but every so often it comes out again.
I just don’t think it’s anywhere near the best movie ever (as some have dubbed it). It’s a decent movie. But I like several other older movies better.
Like I said, I was too harsh. There’s no reason not to see it.
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I do sympathize with the people who are sick of the “OMG BEST MOVIE EVAR” meme. It is still probably an overrated film.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
As far as technical filmmaking goes, I don’t know if there’s a better film.
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That's probably one of the reasons why, I don't appreciate it as much as some others do
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I’ve never seen it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
But.. But
It’s like the Citizen Kane of movies!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Where does that quote even come from? I’ve probably heard it in the original, but I’ve heard it from so many other places that I have no idea anymore.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're Gay
Casablanca makes no sense and has no internal rhythm starting out as a cartoonish musical then morphing into a cheesy Bette Davis soap opera and finally crashing down as a lame spy-chase thriller.
Cornballz.
So if I’m straight, Casablanca makes sense? Or did you mean it only fails to makes sense to Tyson and/or Rudy?
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are Gay, then...
Casablanca is a fantastic movie
The others, whatever. Don’t even bother with Citizen Kane. Talk about over-rated.
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by thehavenot on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
Wut?
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You don’t ignore his comments yet?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
pfft…I started ignoring hokysmksbw before you even knew who he was.
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I’m just very defensive over Casablanca.
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jponry: gay.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn no Pitt movies? Quite possibly my favorite actor. Inglorious Basterds is definitely worth a watch, same with Se7en, True Romance, 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, and my personal favorite The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Pitt takes a lot of heat for being more good looking than is acceptable, but he is a very good actor
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This is sad
Only because I assume that during this time you have been watching other, lesser movies. Please watch Godfather 1 and 2, Casablanca, Maltese Falcon, and The Big Sleep without delay.
I don’t watch movies, normally, but some, like these, really are better than any other conceivable use of your time.
In re Brad Pitt, 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, Seven, and of course (minor role) True Romance are all good movies, but I wouldn’t necessarily go out of my way to see any of them. Well, maybe 12 Monkeys.
godfather
you basically HAVE to watch it. of you don’t, i find you crazy, stupid, and a dodgers fan
no thanks to classic old films though
It’s almost 40 years old – pretty close to being considered a classic old film.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
I’ve just never found the gangster genre that interesting. I’m sure I’ll see it some day, though.
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Al Pachino can make any film interesting. Well, except for most of his films from the past 30 years. But man, when he’s good, he’s good.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
Heat:
An epically overrated mess.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never seen any of his crappy action films, only Leaving Las Vegas and The Weather Man (though I’ve seen clips of The Wicker Man, and I think I’m a big fan).
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
/runs up hill
/wearing bear costume
/punches woman in face
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
those moments are so much more fun than a purposefully bad movie.
“Did anyone stop to check whether or not THIS IS COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE?!”
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Also
Some random movie about a cop who wins the lottery or something.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
Yes. I love the moral of these types of movies:
Money is not the key to happiness – love is. Find a person to love, and you’ll be happy. Also, do that, and you’ll get a shitload of money.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
ah i see you are directly above me with the same sentiment, this is awkward
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I love him in Raising Arizona, never liked him in anything else…
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, this movie was extra funny to me because his concern about his daughter’s camel toe is a significant part of the plot
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Oct 23, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
raising arizona
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I haven’t seen this either!
Actually, looking him up on IMDb, the only things I can remember seeing him in are Adaptation and City of Angels (which was awful). So that’s not really fair.
He always struck me as the blandest actor on the planet, though.
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He’s not bland though, he’s either over the top terrible or brilliant.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
He was really bland in City of Angels.
That whole movie was really bland, though. And the big emotional climax was hiLOLarious.
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that surprises me. I haven’t seen that movie but it seems like a perfect opportunity for him to be completely insane.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
face/off?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
He mostly just stands around looking somber because he’s an angel and stuff.
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THE GERMAN ORIGINAL
is one of the five best movies of all time imo
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Elitist.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
I will never get why Spanish is elitist.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
It was someone who called Jon Miller elitist for sprinkling Spanish into his broadcasts. It might have been wil.
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it was Headhunter Rollins.
wil backed him up.
that meme is my contribution to this site.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Now I’m wondering if I’ve ever started a meme…
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
STOP IT
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
Yelling...
:-(
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I’ve always heard great things about Wim Wenders films, but I’ve never quite gotten around to seeing one.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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It’s the only one I’ve seen, I think. It really is great though. Possibly because Nick Cave is in it instead of Nick Cage.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
(he's not the main character or anything)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Not having Meg Ryan probably helps too.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Things that confuse me
I dislike Meg Ryan and Nora Ephron and am indifferent towards Billy Crystal, but I really like When Harry Met Sally. Maybe it’s the Rob Reiner connection.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I’ve only seen The American Friend, but I thought it was great.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
read, discuss
http://www.avclub.com/articles/nicolas-cagetastic-case-file-143-zandalee,31280/
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Also
http://www.cracked.com/blog/lets-play-nicolas-cage/
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Dan O’Brien is hilarious
that reminds me.
Bringing Out the Dead is another good Nick Cage movie.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I’m definitely a DOB fan, his Girls Gone Wild the novelization is absolutely nrilliant, the best I have ever read on the site
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 23, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering how we got on this whole Cage tangent, and then I noticed I started it. Whoops.
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This is so hilarious, and I don't even know where it's from
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Is that actually from a movie or is it a Photoshop? I’ve always wondered.
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It’s a Photoshop of a still from the movie Next (I think that’s the movie anyway).
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Yeah, he’s not anything special, but when surrounded by a decent story and supporting cast, it’s not so bad.
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I will admit, Gone in 60 Seconds is a secret love of mine. Cars and driving scenes are awesome.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Do you like the Fast and the Furious franchise?
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Raising Arizona.
/assumes someone else has said this already but it’s too hard to tell because of the long conversation
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
He was so amazing in that.
And Lord of War.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
I liked National Treasure
Even if it was silly.
I liked the Rock for mindless fun.
Raising Arizona wasn’t bad.
The baseball Satanist
I thought Adaptation sucked pretty hard, but I seem to be one of the only ones.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
VAMPIRE'S KISS
also, slightly more seriously, Wild at Heart.
Plus his performance in Moonstruck is awesomely over the top.
He’s a good crazy or at least ‘slightly bent’.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I will also second
Bringing out the Dead and of course, Raising Arizona.
I also liked him in Birdy, but I don’t think I’ve seen that in 20 years (ironically, in Birdy he wasn’t the crazy one)
Adaptation has not been mentioned. Great movie. Nick Cage plays a crazy guy.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Adaptation was the first movie mentioned!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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long thread is long?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Long thread is incredibly long.
Nick Cage takes up substantially more than half the length of this page. Thanks, right-justified posts!
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
omg
How did I forget Wild at Heart? Awesome movie.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
this snakeskin jacket represents ma indavdiduallity and belief in personal freedom
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I dislike that movie. Two hours of Laura Dern and Nic Cage making out in a goofy homage to The Wizard of Oz? No thank you.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Matchstick Men
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Yeh...
The dude has some good movies…
But he really hasn’t done anything good since 2005.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Oct 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a nick cage fan
But he has a ridiculous habit of either making good movies or absolutely shitty ones. the man has no middle ground.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Fast Times at Ridgemont High…. (well technically didn’t STAR Nic Cage….technically didn’t even have Nic CAGE in it, but still probably the best movie he’s ever been in.)
Thing A
I’m going to take a bold stand and say that I thoroughly enjoyed both National Treasure flicks. Of course, going in with sub-zero expectations helped.
I just wish that they’d been set in the 1930s (or 1950s, since HF is old now) and been Indiana Jones and the National Treasure. Wouldn’t that have been parsecs better than Crystal Skull?
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
And fwiw, none of the Lewis defenders on here really feel any differently about him than you do. At least I don’t.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I mean, I’m a fan, but I don’t think he’s the best player in baseball, I just think he ought to have gotten more PT this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I probably wouldn’t be so attached to him if (a) the Giants hadn’t developed so few solid hitters post-Matt Williams and (b) the Giants had other hitters with decent plate discipline.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My opinion has been that, with the possible exception of Bowker and mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe (big maybe) Torres, Fred Lewis is the best of all of our outfield scrubs.
Do I want him starting? No. Good teams don’t start Fred Lewis.
Do I want him starting over the rest of our scrap? Yeah. Except for maybe Bowker.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
When I get all “OMGWTFRYTA” about Fred Lewis, it’s when people are like “LEWIS IS TERRIBLE. I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE VELEZ LEADOFF TOMORROW.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Do I want him starting? No. Good teams don’t start Fred Lewis.
This kind of blanket statement always baffles me. I mean, the Braves almost won the World Series with Rafael Belliard as a regular.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, I’m not saying it’s impossible for a good team to start Fred Lewis. The statement comes with its own level of hyperbole.
I can revise it, though. It’ll still be nice and blankety and still come with some hyperbole, but it probably won’t be as confounding.
Am I satisfied with him starting? No. Good teams aren’t satisfied starting Fred Lewis.
Yes, I understand that this isn’t LITERALLY true 100% of the time. It’s just a super simple way to make the point.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
fred lewis is an average hitter
good teams can use him.
Good teams do not have him as their best hitting outfielder.
Good teams also know how to use him.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good teams understand that he’s a better leadoff hitter than Eugenio Velez.
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Then bench him when he doesn’t
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--Daisy Owl
Dave Roberts didn’t hit homers!
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Exactly what I said every time he came up to bat.
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Lest you forget...
he stole that base that one time.
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Not for us though.
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I never understood why Red Sox fans slobber all over him for that, but don’t seem to slobber all over Bill Mueller for driving him in.
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“When everybody in the world knows you’re going to try to hit at least a single, and you STILL do it…” just doesn’t have the same ring as “When everybody in the world knows you’re going to try to steal second and you STILL do it…”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Amount paid to Dave Roberts, 2009: $6.5 million
Number of bases stolen by Dave Roberts, 2009: 0
/sob
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Hell, only 36 for the whole lousy three year contract.
That signing still baffles me. Sabean makes dumb signings where I can understand what he was thinking, twisted though that thought process may be (for example: he signed Aaron Rowand to be a gritty gamer), but I have no idea why he gave Dave Roberts a 3-year deal.
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sabean will make sure
to make an even dumber signing and baffle you further
GARY SHEFFIELD SIGNED FOR 4 YEARS/40 MILLION
Dave Roberts was our starting left fielder at the beginning of 2008. Lewis only took over when Roberts went on the DL.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
right, but Rafeal Belliard is in the running for one of the worst hitters in major league history.
If you want an example of some mediocre outfielders, check out the 2003 Marlins. Juan Encarnacion and quite a few at bats for Todd Hollandsworth.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Belliard was an example – an extreme. There are many, many, many teams who have been very succesful with a starter much worse than Fred Lewis. Including at key offensive positions.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
For instance
The 1990 Pirates. Their 2b, SS and 3B starters put up OPS’s of .646, .691 and .692.
The baseball Satanist
+1
He’s a mediocre corner outfielder. That’s makes him way above average for the Giants.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Right. He’s something like an average player. For the 2009 Giants, that’s a guy who should easily be able to crack the starting lineup, but ordinarily it shouldn’t be a guy you’d get real excited about.
For the 2009 Giants, that’s a guy who should easily be able to crack the starting lineup
Instead, let’s play Velez. YAY!
VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I normally don’t comment on front page stuff, but Lewis needs me. I disagree with everyone. Fred Lewis would start on a good team (well, it depends on if their team needs, but if RF or LF was a need, he would). I believe Fred Lewis is a ~2 WAR player (assuming a full season of PT). Considering he’s basically free, any good team would love to fill a position with an average starter for free.
by Missing Barry on Oct 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants lineup makes me hate baseball.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Our 2010 Giants: putting the AAARRRGGGGG!! into Aggressive Hitting.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
I think someone should explain to them that they are playing baseball. All non-Panda at bats make it seem like they are playing a game of cricket.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I actually thought that after I posted it. He’d be good for a wicked googley! (note, I have no idea what that even means)
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A googly is like a kind of pitching motion.
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But then the pitching gets their turn.
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And our pitching makes me love baseball. Truth be told, all good pitching makes me love baseball.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I am complete sucker for good pitching and well defended baseball game. They usually last 3 hours or less as well.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
I don’t mind long games if it’s well played on both sides. I’d rather take those than our 2.5 hr “pitchers’ duels” where our starters hold down our opponents’ offense while our lineup whiffs against the opposing pitchers.
OT: Here’s BJ’s Top 10 pitchers most likely to throw a no-hitter. Most important factors appear to be strikeouts and # of DPs induced.
Most Likely No-Hitter
% chance to reach milestone
Tim Lincecum, Giants 25%
Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers 23%
Rich Harden, Free Agent 21%
Justin Verlander, Tigers 20%
Yovani Gallardo, Brewers 19%
Jon Lester, Red Sox 18%
Zack Greinke, Royals 17%
Jonathan Sanchez, Giants 15%
Jorge de la Rosa, Rockies 15%
Javier Vazquez, Braves 15%
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Great stuff!
I love the tension for the 6th on in a " pitcher’s duel". So often it comes down to which team twitches and too much and screws up. It is not always the team I think with will be going in.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
but then i don’t like it when our pitcher’s holding down the other team’s lineup both on pace to throw like 300 pitches and bochy’s keeps him in saying HORSE
Don’t get me started on late inning Bork! Ball. For a guy that was taught the game by veterans of the 60’s ( Very pitching dominate era) he is pretty darn dense in the way he chooses which risks when.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I dug out last year’s list:
1. Tim Lincecum 28%
2. Rich Harden 24%
3. Edinson Volquez 18%
4. Scott Kazmir 16%
5. CC Sabathia 15%
6. Chad Billingsley 14%
7. A.J. Burnett 13%
8. Jonathan Sanchez 12%
9 . Oliver Perez 12%
10. Ervin Santana 12%
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Rowand or Hunter?
I remember when Rowand was signed I was thinking “at least we didn’t pay Hunter all that money” because it seemed we were going to get one of those two. Even though Torii was clearly the better player, I didn’t feel he was worth $30 million more. Still don’t think he’s worth all that money, but if I had to choose I’d much rather be overpaying Hunter right now.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
Rowand and Hunter aren’t all that different. Both are close to +2 win players in their normal years.
Like orange line much more than pale green line.
GIMMMEE ORANGE LINE!!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
IT’S SCIENCE
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Average Year – OMG AMAZING YEAR – Average Year – Average Year – OMG AMAZING YEAR – Average Year – Average Year
So when he gets hot in the middle of this year the Giants will trade him for a couple promising controlled players? Right? … Right? ….Right?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Heh… extension.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That average is skewed greatly by two years Rowand had that appear to be tied to fluke increases in BABIP. Rowand has only had a WAR over 2 three times over the past 8 years (4 if you want to round up 1.9), Hunter hasn’t had one year under 2 over the same period. Although the average might be similiar, the lack of variance in Hunter’s numbers make him much better (and valuable) than Rowand.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 23, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong , I like FLew
…but I think his plate discipline comes less from patience and more from confusion.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Jason Stoffel, 2009 (Rookie + A-): 24IP, 1-0, 0.75 ERA, 5 S V, 25K. The heir apparent to B-Weez.
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by bigboneded on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
whatever gets him there
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
At this stage beggars can't be choosers.
Not that I am arguing with your conclusion just the results are a lot less bad than many of the other currently used options.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
This made me laugh, but may be true
By nature of the fact that Lewis looks at more pitches, even if a bunch of ’em are strikes, he sees more pitches, makes pitchers work harder and increases the chances of the pitcher doing something stupid like throwing one right down the pipe/pike/dick/chute/Broadway/middle
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Request: Can one of the geeks here...
…take these projections and, using the optimal eight*, create a total run expectation for 2010?
*I’m assuming it’s:
Lewis
Torres
Sanchez
Panda
Garko
Rowand
Posey
Renteria/Uribe
I’d be curious to know what we could expect from this bunch.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
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I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Believe It Or Not, 4.6 Runs Per Game!
I used Baseball Musings’ Lineup Analysis Tool, your lineup, Bill James’ 2010 Projections, and Tim Lincecum’s 2009 Stats as the 9th Player.
by giantsrainman on Oct 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
great
now do that for the other 15 teams’ projected lineups and we can watch the NL ERA go to 6.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I love how this thing has our best lineup with Edgar Renteria batting 9th behind Lincecum
The San Francisco Giants must win at least one World Series before I die.
by vinScullySucks on Oct 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Our new national pastime: coming up with reasons why Fred Lewis sucks.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
FOR THE MONEY
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
FOR THE RECIPROCITY
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
I actually love this team. As I said often during the season, I had more fun this season than I’ve had in years. They won 88 games and have lots of guys I’d like to have a beer with.
Panda is icing on the cake. He’s already my favorite Giant since I’ve been a fan of the team. His talent, enthusiasm and general goofiness make him impossible to not like.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
They were fun, sure
But also frustrating as all get up. In the end, and in this off-season, the frustration has won out.
We’ll see what happens in the next few weeks. And then by the beginning of the season. And then two months in…
The baseball Satanist
Scheirholtz And Whiteside Are Missing In Addition To Bowker And Frandsen
For that matter I would think Rohlinger and Downs would have projections.
whiteside
.220/.260/.330
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
LOL GiantsPwnedMan....
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
He’s grown too accustomed to not seeing him with the other hitters.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I wish I could Shift+A only all of the Nick Cage comments.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
I just found Velez’s theme song. The Flaming Lips – Hell’s Angels Cracker Factory
It keeps going “VROOOOOOOOOM! VROOOOOOOOOOOOM!”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I wonder if he’s one of the guys who is just given a song rather than him choosing it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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It’s not actually his song YET, but it should be.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Oh, I see now.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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crap, that reminds me to go back and listen to that again
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Shift-A
How many of the projections were close last year?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Sorta OT, but regarding Posey
I wonder how Sabean’s evaluation will be of Posey, if there is any, based on what he does in the Arizona Fall League. I say this because Posey is only batting .222, while Crawford is at .316 and Neal is at .364.
I’m not saying any of the 3 of these guys are ready or not for the big leagues (especially Crawford and Neal) but how would Sabean make judgements from this?
“Posey sucked during the AFL, so he will start out in AAA. Neal raked in the AFL and will also start in the minors.”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
yeah, I farted...
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
If all of the hitters in the lineup were just consistently okay, like these projections show, wouldn’t the offense be a little better? This year’s team would’ve been substantially better without Renteria, Burriss, and Winn all posting sub-.700 OPS’s. Although, these projections don’t include Molina’s 3 year extension, Jermaine Dye’s new 4 year deal, and Velez starting full time in LF…
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
Bill James projections are insanely overoptimistic every year
Yes, folks: this is the insanely overoptimistic version of the Giants offense. Most of the other projections will have most of these guys at 30-40 OPS points worse than this.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I Am With Grant On This
Last year, these hitter projections were really, really optimistic. Either they’ve fixed that this year, or the Giants are even worse than we imagine. It’s probably the latter, but I’m choosing to believe the former.
by giantsrainman on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish we could give Schierholtz 550 AB’s next year just so that he will stop getting generous projections.
Yeah me too, except, well, then you’d actually have to watch 550 Schierholtz ABs.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Don’t worry they would be quick. 2-3 pitches long probably.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
His KPHBP would go through the roof!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
anyone pumped for tonights game?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
Go Not-The-Yankees!!!
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Oct 24, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Darn
No baseball tonight
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
more east coast suckage
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 24, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, it’s MLB scheduling that sucks. This late in the year, you’re pushing your luck playing outdoor baseball. The weather is what it is.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
How Many Runs Would These Projections See A Team Made Up Of These Players Scoring In 2010?
First we need to make some assumptions. You can make different assumptions but I am making the following:
1) I am assuming that Eli Whiteside is Buster Posey’s backup catcher.
2) I am assuming Whiteside’s actual 2009 stats of .269 OBP and .339 SLG are his projections for 2010.
3) I am assuming Lincecum’s actual 2009 stats of .219 OBP and .167 SLG are the projections for what the Giants get from the 9th spot in the lineup. Yes, other pitchers did worse then Timmy in 2009, but pinchhitters more then make up for this.
4) I am assuming the following position player playing time and lineup order:
Leftfield – Lewis 55% and Velez 45% resulting in .335 OBP and .397 SLG
SecondBase – Sanchez 70% and Burriss 30% resulting in .326 OBP and .379 SLG
Rightfield – Schierholtz 55%, Torres 35%, and Velez 10% resulting in ..326 OBP and .431 SLG
ThirdBase – Sandoval -90% and Sanchez 10% resulting in .379 OBP and .537 SLG
FirstBase – Garko 50% and Ishikawa 50% resulting in .347 OBP and .445 SLG
Centerfield – Rowand 80% and Torres 20% resulting in .328 OBP and .419 SLG
Shortstop – Renteria 80% and Burriss 20% resulting in .319 OBP and .392 SLG
With these assumptions and using Baseball Musings’ Lineup Analysis Tool, Bill James’ projections sees this potential version of the 2010 Giants scoring 4.432 runs per game for a season total of 718!
I Forgot To Include Catcher And Made A Typo At Shortstop In My Playing Time Assumptions
In my calculations I didn’t forget catcher or make the typo at shortstop so the result does not change. The shortstop typo was that the weighted average SLG should be .371 not .392. I assumed catcher playing time hitting 8th to be as follows:
Catcher – Posey 80% and Whiteside 20% resulting in .319 OBP and .392 SLG
by giantsrainman on Oct 24, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Also Weighted Average OBP For SS Should Be .332 Not .319.
by giantsrainman on Oct 24, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
nerd
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Pablo is getting -90% of the playing time at third?
If Freddy gets 10%, who’s getting the other 180%?
I’m thinking Nomar. 4 years, $48 million? Who’s with me? This guy is a proven winner! He played on the eventual world champion 2004 Red Sox!
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 24, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
With optimal lineup construction
And assuming average clutch hitting, unlike this team’s stupendous clutch hitting this season.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
like i insinuated above
last year, James’ offensive projections were UNIFORMLY higher for all players (compared to other projection systems) meaning that he is probably assuming a higher level of offense than actually occurred in 2007-2009.
So, while James may project the Giants to score 4.4 RPG, what does he project the average NL lineup to be? I would be shocked if it was 4.5 RPG which is what I would guess the 2010 NL average to be.
This is pretty obvious – there is no human way you can predict that Giants offense above to be near league average as currently constructed.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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People here have Buster Posey hysteria like teen girls when they saw the Beatles.
I think .270 with 11 HRs is probably close to right for the first season. And projections I’ve heard is that he is going to be optimistically a Derek Jeter like hitter. I don’t think that’s bad at all, but I think he’s probably not going to be an MVP caliber player. I think Bumgarner will have a better career.
I’d take that Garko production.
Of the outfielders projections, Rowand has far better numbers than the others. He is projected to hit 37 doubles. I think he was fairly clutch last season. I remember him getting some big hits. I do recall that his last month was awful and he looked lost at the plate though.
I wouldn’t sign F. Sanchez unless the Giants sign Holliday or Bay first. Then, it would be ok to sign him- though he’s seemingly always on the DL. But, I’m just picturing that management is going to say that Bay and Holliday were prohibitive because of cost. And in that case, I’d say don’t spend any extra money except for Bay or Holliday or a long term deal for Cain or Lincecum. Hell, I’d say trade Wilson and Affeldt for less costly players if it meant signing Bay or Holliday.
Everyone at AAA should be made to take the first two pitches the whole season.
And projections I’ve heard is that he is going to be optimistically a Derek Jeter like hitter. I don’t think that’s bad at all, but I think he’s probably not going to be an MVP caliber player.
A catcher who hits like Derek Jeter for 10 years will probably make the Hall of Fame.
reply is your friend
what, are you new here? ;-)
It's cool
I’ll just have to show him the ropes.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I might need to buy some more rope first, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
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