The Dodgers and Short-Term Panic
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
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PrintFor 22 years, the Giants have been able to say, "if not us, then at least not them." It’s usually of little consolation, but it’s better than being inconsolable. For a couple of decades, the Giants haven’t had to watch a parade down Sunset Boulevard. Or do they call it "The Sunset Boulevard?" No matter. We haven’t had to watch Tommy Lasorda gurgle something vile while holding a trophy above his head. That’s…something, at least.
And this year felt even better than the schadenfreude of previous years. Last year, the Giants were bad. That’s not strong enough. They were worse than bad. They were hard to watch. Insufferable. The 2008 Giants were…why is this so hard to put into words?
Thank you. That will do just fine. So when the Dodgers lost to the Phillies last year, it was fantastic, but it was bittersweet. The Giants were awful with a slight chance of awfuler. A push for .500 was the optimistic goal for the Giants in 2009, so how much pleasure could we have taken in last year’s Dodger collapse? A whole hell of a lot, but that’s missing the point, which should be coming along any second now.
This year was different. The Giants actually made the Dodgers aware of their presence. It wasn’t an especially close divisional race, but the Giants were contending for something, and they were successful enough to leave us without the face-in-the-mud apathy from previous years. We almost made it into the playoffs, and that would have made it even more crushing if the Dodgers had won it all. As it turned out, that fear also made it even more satisfying when the Dodgers didn’t win.
One of these years, though, we won’t be so lucky. It might not be in 2010 – it might not be in 2050 – but one of these years, the Dodgers will make the playoffs and rape and pillage their way to a title. Them’s just the odds. And if the Giants aren’t able to contend in a given season, that’s just one less obstacle for the Dodgers to overcome.
So my point is this: I think the Giants should win a bunch of games, and I think they should build on their success from this season so they can contend next season.
Startling, yes. But I really think the Giants have a bit of a short-term clock ticking. Lincecum and Cain are 40% of a good rotation right now. Pablo Sandoval is a legit middle-of-the-order hitter right now. Those are difficult pieces to come by, but the Giants have them. And if there’s any help from the farm, Buster Posey excepted, it shouldn’t help the Giants a whole bunch in 2010 or even 2011.
And the Dodgers aren’t going anywhere. The Cey-Russell-Lopes-Garvey fears I used to have with prospects like Andy LaRoche and Chin-lung Hu aren’t quite as pronounced as they once were, but the talent is still there. While I think that Ned Colletti is still the kind of general manager who would covet players like, oh, Juan Pierre in free agency, even he isn’t capable of breaking up their nucleus for something shinier.
So the Dodgers’ relative success will be a big part of my offseason hopes, proposals, and fears. Thinking only in the short-term is a great way to get suckered into another Aaron Rowand kind of contract, but there’s even more of a short-term concern now. The Dodgers are good. The Giants are kinda good. I’m not going to get too scared about long-term deals affecting the team in 2015 as much if they make the 2010 Giants a substantially better team. I don’t know if the Giants will be kinda good in 2015, so I’ll worry about that then.
In conclusion, I would like to announce that my fear of the Dodgers winning the World Series in the near future has manifested itself in a hope that the Giants will give Matt Holliday millions and millions of dollars. I would appreciate it if you talked me off this particular ledge.
Also in conclusion, welcome to the offseason, Dodgers. Hee hee.
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I may have been drunk but the Jose Castillo love in 2008 made me feel crazy.
He hits doubles!
Was it a dream? Or did that really happen?
Also, Giants should win more games. I like that.
I think there was Jose Castillo love for like a week.
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Didn’t somebody have “Dude hits doubles!” in their sig re: Castillo for some time? I don’t remember if it was sarcastic or not, though.
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it may have been xanthan being sarcastic
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I was thinking it was whoever had adopted Castillo, but I could be wrong.
Searching for the phrase, xanthan certainly said it a lot!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
And I never loved Castillo, for the record. Not once. My favorite thing about him was a quote from a certain intrepid reporter we’re not supposed to talk about anymore.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I'll just post the quote, though
According to the San Francisco Giants web site, the team’s corner position with Jose Castillo had been struggling, especially from the plate where the third baseman is hitting .105.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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My favorite was the Castillo gravestone pic when he was released.
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I said nice things about him when he got his line up to something like .275/.330/.420 then he immediately fell off a cliff.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
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I think one of the newspapers columns used that as one of the positive facets of Castillo, and we just used it to make fun of him.
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Was it Schulman who wrote a blog entry telling people to stop criticizing Jose Castillo, because he was just a waiver wire pickup and dude hits doubles? or something?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I have a vague memory of something like that.
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Sabean was feeling the Castillo love...
“I really feel good about the energy around the club and I feel good about some of our choices. We’ve now got a solution at first base. We’ve got a solution at third….”
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
2015 is the next season in which the Giants won't owe Barry Zito any money
so there’s that.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions
Halfway through the next decade! HAHAHAHAhahaha…..wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
More bad news on the Zito front
He gets bonuses of $100,000 for his third MVP, $75,000 for his fourth, and $50,000 for his fifth. :(
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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So you’re saying that we’re going to be out another $215,000? Gah, this is terrible!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
One of these years, though, we won’t be so lucky. It might not be in 2010 – it might not be in 2050 – but one of these years, the Dodgers will make the playoffs and rape and pillage their way to a title. Them’s just the odds.
Your phony ‘law of averages’ implies that the Giants might also win a title at some point in the future, thus rendering its logic into a failure-falafel.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
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/starts stampede of off-topic lunch posts
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Boring turkey sandwich
"Vhet ere-a zee oodds Booster Pusey ifer pleys fur zee Geeunts?"
"He-a vun’t pley unteel he-a gets sume-a mejur leegooe-a ixpereeence-a."
Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger with Jalapeños and a side of Criss-Cut Fries.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Chips and Salsa...
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
suck it “the Dodgers”
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by The Gene Hackman on Oct 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
suck it "the russel martin"?
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I will refer to everything from or about the Southern California with a definite article from now on.
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It is my belief that the Giants would have fared better against the Phillies
They might not have won but they would have taken more than one game.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed.
Cliff Lee would have made us look extra silly though.
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If Lee and Lincecum pitched in game 1, that game would still be going on right now.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah?
BRANDON MEDDERS.
Ha.
So my point is this: I think the Giants should win a bunch of games, and I think they should build on their success from this season so they can contend next season.
Your point is both moot and mute.D.
Because the BRASZ has cotton in their ears to our wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Chan Ho Park
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Yup, well unless they got wise to the Giant’s ways and called up all their AAA level starting pitchers…. then… oy…
They wouldn't be able to do that
so ha!
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Hi, Brian.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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But not in the field
Both parts are important. We don’t have room for one DH, let alone two.
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If we can only have one, I’d take Dunn.
But I’ve heard many an argument around these parts as to how awful our offense is (Which is true), so why not go from meh to pretty darned good?
Because our defense would go from pretty darned good to meh. And adding one or both of those guys wouldn’t take our offense to pretty darned good.
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I disagree, having either of those two (Again, preferably Dunn) in the lineup would be a MAJOR upgrade in the 4th spot.
What Dunn makes up with his bat he takes away with his glove. The difference is negligible.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 22, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What Dunn takes away with the glove he makes up with the bat.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
So he essentially contributes nothing.
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But the question is, does he contribute positive nothing or negative nothing?
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Which still wouldn’t put us to good. We were awful, we need multiple good/great hitters to become good. And Dye is not really that good of a hitter. And you’re still ignoring the defensive side of the equation, which is huge.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Considering 2009 Bengie Molina was the worst cleanup hitter in memory, it’s not hard to upgrade. That’s like loving the Renteria signing because he was an upgrade over Bocock.
If you put any stock in UZR, by the way, it thinks Dunn has given up more runs with his glove than he’s created with his bat for two years in a row.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Range trumps all
Fred Lewis has it, and he is a decent left fielder because the majority of them are statues like Dunn. Yes he drops a few easy balls, but he gets to dozens more due to his range.
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I think Velez may have progressed to the point where is range overcomes his clankiness in the OF. The jury is at least out, still.
At second, that’s another story.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Oh my.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You know what? My eyes also tell me that that Fred Lewis is a decent left fielder. And I always believe my eyes.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You misunderstand. I was just being a jerk. Trusting your eyes is a fool’s game. I was backhandedly making the point that saying Fred Lewis is a bad left fielder because that’s what you see, particularly if all objective measures disagree with your eyes, is – like I said – a fool’s game.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
At least I came clean about it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why people try to use objective evidence.
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I want to reference a certain Alaskan here, but I’ll try to keep it about this vague because it’s kind of an easy shot to take otherwise.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Joel Fleischman?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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SP?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I was actually thinking Steve Phillips, but yours works too.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I knew what you meant. I just think it’s fun to think of alternate meanings for acronyms.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, I missed the initials that formed the context.
We’ve been watching Northern Exposure, and in the episode we saw that day, Joel says he’s a Republican, so your mention of a “certain Alaskan” made me think of him.
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LOL
wanting dunn and then criticizing fred’s defense. Holy shit.
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touchy are we?
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 22, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not the jackass, reject
see? I can throw names around too! Difference is I can also back up my arguments with facts. You cant, so you can’t go beyond “name-calling” in defense of your point.
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by bondslegend on Oct 22, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa...
No need to go full throttle buddy… troll isn’t worth your time.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Dunn is more than likely worth two high draft picks to the Nationals, so you’re going to have to trade a pretty good package for him.
"It's too late now."
I’ve been told I have a pretty good package, but I don’t really want to trade it for Dunn.
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Because having terrible defense hurts our biggest strength, which is pitching.
It’s too bad Dunn is such a butcher in the field, though. I’d love to have him as a hitter. Of course, if he hit like he does now and played good defense, no way we could afford him.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I think we could stick him at first and hopefully minimize the damage, but let’s be real here….
It doesn’t matter how great our pitching is next year if we trot out this AAA lineup again. We need a serious bat, and I know everyones love affair with walks here (Totally warranted, I might add) but we need a cleanup hitter. Not another #7.
No kidding we need a hitter
But if he can’t even field, that doesn’t help us overall. Defense is really important. And Dunn is awful at 1B, he might be worse there than in the OF, which is a feat.
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All I'm saying is...
If we don’t make some moves to get a serious lineup, Cain, and Timmy, and even friggin’ MadBum will be beggin to get traded in 2-3 years.
Until you actually start considering defense
I’m going to stop wasting my time on you.
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Yes, fine. That’s a good idea. But a serious lineup doesn’t have to include a bunch of defensive statues.
It might be pointed out that part of the reason why we were a better team than the Nationals, despite our terrible lineup was because of our solid defense (and very good OF defense).
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
it was, but if nobody caught the ball, how good would you think our pitching was?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Given how tall he is, Dunn is probably more of a pink flamingo. Still immobile, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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lol
Believe me, I totally understand and support the argument for a solid defense. I really do think it’s the most important part of the game….
However, balls tend to leave the yard every once in a while, and those cannot be defended. I’m tired of 2-1, 1-0 losses.
We’re going to need a lot more than Dunn to change that.
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Matt Holliday, Nick Johnson and mid-season call-up from Thomas Neal, say.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
One other thing to consider
Small sample size, but Dunn has hit terribly at Phone Company Park. We’re talking an OPS of about .300 over the last few seasons.
Not enough at bats to draw any conclusions, really, but it does fit into the notion that AT&T kills lefty power hitters not named Bonds.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Short of this season
Dunn had cosistently hit 40 homers playing at many different parks, for many different teams.
I’d be willing to bet he’d be just fine here, too.
and this year he only hit 38.
I really don’t get why an AL team didn’t throw some money at him.
(I’m looking at you, Oakland).
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Before the economy broke itself last offseason, Dunn was quoted as saying he was looking for a nine-figure contract. whee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
“Many” teams? Prior to this year, al but about 150 of his plate appearances were for one team.
I don’t disagree that he’s a pretty impressive hitter.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I'd say playing for 3 different teams
is quite a bit for a guy with his offensive stats. I realize the glove is atrocious, but the dude has played in tons of parks, and still gets it out.
He also spent most of his career it hitter’s parks…
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He’s played everywhere, but that’s because he’s been around a long time, not because he’s played with a lot of teams. Almost his whole career so far was with the Reds.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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And all of this is pretty much moot anyway
Dunn is a low-BA hitter who can’t play defense – both of which mean he’s not a guy Sabean’s going to be interested in anyway. Which Sabean already showed by not even contacting his agent last offseason.
However we may feel, not guh happen.
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Dunn's an impressive connector
But he’ll connect even less as he passes age 30.
Minus, if he draws a BB, he’ll be counting on Scott, Edgar, the Catcher or the RF to drive him in.
Logjamz!
Hey wow, I agree with you about something. Only the first part, though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
He’s a big, big dude with bad knees. He’s might lose a race with pond water, or even Bengie Molina.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I don’t disagree that our lineup is pathetic and needs an upgrade (several, actually), yes. But that doesn’t mean that everyone who hits for power is automatically a good fit.
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Funny you should say “AAA” and " Giants line up". I want this guy ( fangraphs if you prefer )a lot more than the 2 you mentioned. KC seems to no plans for him in their future and at 26 you just might have something worthwile underr team control for 4 years.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
He was awesome for me in Baseball Mogul.
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I am really starting to Grant-like levels of obsesion for Zorbist for this guy. And he is not suppose be taht good witha glove either. That is ussaly a must for aplayer i really like. I need help.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
It helps that he has a cool name.
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Bocock?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
F.P. Santangelo.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
UZR thinks Zobrist was freakishly good defensively this year. Probably a fluke, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I ment Kila Kaaihue is not supose to be anythign specail witha glove.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Oh, right, missed the context and misread your post. Oops!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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And Zobrist is a pretty cool name too, so that helped the confusion.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Juan Primo thinks Zobrist’s wife is freakishly hot this year.
Okay, not freakishly hot—but still damn good looking.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Er, is that a person? Looks like a Real Doll. Probably just too much photoshop, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Are you trying to say that Real Dolls aren’t hot?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Just this year?
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Her eyes and her cross are saying two very different things to me.
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I didn’t even notice the cross.
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I would love it if the Giants would try to acquire a guy like that (or just that guy). Hafner, for example, was found that way.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
I bye A’s tickets all the times. They make such lovely bookends on my shelves.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Dunn’s not a free agent and Dye is terrible. So…no thanks.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would Sabean go after Dunn if he didn’t last year when he was a free agent?
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
In Sabean Mongoloid Logic
This might actually make sense:
Something can’t be good unless I paid a whole lot for it.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
“Mogoloid” is insensitive. Please use the term “window licker”
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
"Window licker" is also insensitive
Please use the term “Goofus”.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I've never understood this logic....
Just because you made a mistake on something, doesn’t mean you can’t try and revisit it later. Admitting he made a mistake might actually show the front office is trying to change.
Dye's value the last three years
2007: 2.8 batting, -21.6 fielding
2008: 22.4 batting, -19.4 fielding
2009: 5.1 batting, -18.7 fielding
So, he hasn’t been a very good hitter two of the last three years, and he’s going to be 36 by opening day. Definite Sabean signing.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
obviously an exaggeration
but still, it probably ends up being something like 3.50-3.70 NOT CY YUNG WINAR.
i shudder at the thought of dye and dunn in the same outfield…and ugnio vlz in center
Don’t worry Renteria & Burriss will keep plenty of balls frrom getting to them. It is not like this team has FLy ball ppitchers or anything…
/ waits to see who falls into the Chasm.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
LOL YOU THINK BURRISS IS GOING TO BE ML HITTER AND THAT
/splat
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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Ugnio!
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on 2009
Dunn and Dye compared to what we had is about an 80 run swing defensively.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Signing Dunn would be a good thi…
Oh wait, that was something the Giants should have done last off-season!
Dunn’s numbers in AT&T are brutal. He would hit so many 410 foot flyouts to RCF that he would commit suicide.
No thanks.
Who hates PacT&T more: Dunn or Helton?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
probably Dunn
Helton still kills the Giants whenever he plays them.
Bastard.
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I don’t know what his numbers are, but Lance Berkman is on record as hating Phone Company Ballpark and the city of San Francisco.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Good call, I neglected Lance.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Shame, cause I would like him at 1st.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
I remember back early in the decade, there was a discussion on alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants about imagining the team seven or eight years in the future. I remember one person’s included Vladimir Guerrero in right field an Lance Berkman in left field.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Post a link, please.
"Vhet ere-a zee oodds Booster Pusey ifer pleys fur zee Geeunts?"
"He-a vun’t pley unteel he-a gets sume-a mejur leegooe-a ixpereeence-a."
Dye
Is not even better with the bat than Fred Lewis. And the less said about his glove, the better.
Um, no. Jermaine Dye’s not good. Last year, Dye was slightly better than Lewis with the bat: .344 wOBA compared to .327. But Dye is old and not getting better.
Stop wasting your time on him.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I was responding to the dude who told me he wasn’t going to waste his time on me…. And then responded to a different post later.
Ah, it didn’t read that way to me at the time. Duly noted.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The stats you provide totally kill your argument, so…. WTF?
Fred is definitely better with the glove (I can’t believe I just said that), but he’s really not as close with the bat as you’re making it seem.
But that’s how close they were last year. .344 vs .327 is not a very big difference, especially when you take salary into account.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
In what is surely an unpopular argument around these parts...
HR and RBI
Which, somehow became a useless stat over the years.
RBI surely are,
when you’re talking about a player on another team. He doesn’t bring the baserunners he knocks in with him.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
RBIs are useless.
And HR aren’t that great if they don’t come along with much else.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, here’s my argument for HRs and RBIs.
They actually equal runs. All the time. Always. There is never a time a HR doesn’t equal points on the board.
Whereas, walks, OBP, and whatever new statline some math genius wants to create, do not.
I know I’m sounding stupid, but a walk doesn’t always = runs.
There’s nothing wrong with valuing homers, but you need to put them in the right context. For example, Bengie Molina hit 20 homers in 09, but you don’t consider him as a good hitter, do you?
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Actually, (taking into account that he Catches) I do.
Just not for a spot in the middle of a lineup. If he hit 7th or 8th on a team that was already loaded nobody would bitch.
Bengie also led the NL in Sacrifice Flies for the second time.
RBIs are heavily context dependent. I promise you Jermaine Dye probably wouldn’t have driven in as many runs as he did on the White Sox, if he were on the Giants. Why? Because the lineup around him wouldn’t have been as good and he’d be hitting in a worse hitter’s park.
Home Runs ARE important. They are great, they are the best offensive outcome. But if you don’t contribute much else and you hit 25 HR in a 162 games season and you’re a defensive liability, that’s not going to do much good.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I wouldn’t even say probably. How many runs did Sandoval drive in? And how much better was he with the bat than Dye?
Probably is too weak. Guarantee is better.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, so Sandoval had 9 more RBI than Dye in about 75 more at bats. So RBI per at bat is pretty equal.
Therefore: Dye = Sandoval with the bat.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo Sandoval did not have as many RBIs as Jose Lopez. Lopez is obviously a better hitter.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
what
how the FUCK did Jose Lopez end up with 96 RBI???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
And he barely even knows ’er!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
he may have spent some time as a male prostitute, but we shouldn’t hold that against him.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Yup. And get him out of the Safe and he hits like twice as many Dingerz.. That is one rough yard for a mortal RHB. Due $2.3MM in 2010 club option of $4.5 MM in 2011 if the free agent 2nd baseman market was not flooded this winter the M’s could turn a tidy profit on that kid.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
see Bonds , Barry
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
RBI’s don’t create runs, they are runs.
The problem is that an individual player doesn’t create an RBI. He plus the players in front of him did. If you go out and acquire a player without getting the guys in front of him in the lineup, you’ll be shocked and disappointed that his “RBI ability” has disappeared.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Yeah, but Jermaine Dye doesn’t get RBI when he’s batting second for the Giants and nobody is ever on base for him to knock in.
If you have guys with high OBP, more guys will be on base to knock in. And they’ll knock those guys in because they’re not making outs as much. And not making outs with men on base IS runs. So, yeah, OBP is, in fact, runs.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Trying to respond to all these posts...
I understand the importance of having high OBP guys in the front part of the lineup for the hitter like Dye to clean up…. However, when you have a lineup built on only OBP, you’re lacking hitter to actually “finish the job”.
My point here is moreso we need “finishers”…. We don’t need a shit load of high BB guys, who strike out whenever there’s a fucking runner in scoring position.
/cough fred lewis /cough
of you're gonna take a shot at fred
see how many consistent ABs he had in the last three months of the season
I’m still lolling at everyone whining about Fred when he had like 40 AB total the last two months.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Actually, no, he’s not.
And, yeah, I do mean that seriously.
The guy is money when there is no one on base. And steps up to the plate with a stringless tennis racket whenever we really could use a hit. I hate him. I really do.
Fred Lewis career with RISP: .252/.363/.411
oh hey
it’s like the exact same as his career line overall
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
where’s natto with the facepalm graphic when I need it
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I don't have time to make a new one at the moment, so here's an old one
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Dang it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you see my birthmark?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Birthmark Seen 'Round The World
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 23, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he hits in the front of the lineup when starting, so not many chances for RBI’s. Your “not clutch” claim seems anecdotal – got any stats?
F. the Lewis.
No stats
Therefore, my opinion is invalid.
I keep forgetting baseball is the sport of math nerds everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzlPLt-hmMM
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, players and managers and general managers and owners and real fans don’t care about any stats whatsoever.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
“Clutch” is a statistically insignificant factor when it comes to, like, 99% of players.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
PROTIP
HItters who have high OBP WILL finish the job. Because they get on base a lot (generally via either the hit OR walk). And if you get on base at a high clip and you hit in a lineup that has a lot of guys who get on base at a high clip, you will probably drive in a lot of runs.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Here’s a stat:
From NLCS:
Dodgers team batting average: .232
Phillies team batting average: .231
Dodgers OBP: .287
Phillies OBP: .348
F. the Lewis.
The Head of Sabean-metric(tm) Research says...
“So Obviously the Dodgers were not agressive enough nor skilled enough in the bunt.”
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
That's bullfrogshit.
Too ridiculous to even be considered as bullshit.
The relevant stat:
Dodgers SLG: .360
Phillies SLG: .500
Slugging is okay, but it’s a weird stat. It values a double as two singles, a triple as three singles, a home run as four singles, and a walk as nothing at all. And, though you can get something at a glance out of slugging, that methodology is simply false.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Had Dodgers .287 OBP consisted of only HR
They’d have won more than one game. However, the Phils’ .500 SLG is a better indicator of how they won that series by hitting more doubles, triples, and HR than LA.
Yes, let’s try to prove a broad point with a cherry-picked example that flies in the face of actual reality!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Both OBP and SLG are relevant…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
But the most relevant stat
The Dodgers struck out 33 times, while the Phillies struck out…33 times!
IT WAS ALL LUCK FOR THE PHILLIES.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
However, when you have a lineup built on only OBP, you’re lacking hitter to actually "finish the job"
I don’t see how this is true, though. Sure you can only drive in a run with a walk if the bases are loaded, but except for Adam Dunn, pretty much all OBP guys get lots and lots and lots of hits, too. Lots and lots of hits with runners on = finishing the job. Yeah, you should also value some power there, but on a basic level the point doesn’t seem to have many holes to me.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, in those times when you DO walk instead of hitting, you give the guy behind you a chance to “finish the job” which he can then do by not making an out – which, as a high OBP guy, he’s good at doing.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
we had the lowest OBP in the majors last year. So we need both starters and finishers.
While we do need some guys with pop, RBIs are, like we all said, not actually a good way to measure that.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
umm, walks and OBP are pretty much basic stats
unless, you know, your name is brian sabean.
is it?
…
c’mon, prony, you admitted to being stupid just last night; no need to keep proving it.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
RBI became useless because it was never particularly useful in the first place and better measures have taken its place.
HR hasn’t become useless, but it has been integrated into other stats that are considerably better. Which means that it’s probably best to just look at those stats.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
HR & RBI are a useful stat ONCE YOU HAVE TEAM THAT HAVE EQUAL OBP IN FRONT OF SAID BATTERS.
/ clear throat and lowers voice
Now are you going to try and tell me the batters infront of Dye had the same or lower OBP as the batters in front of Lewis? And care to explain for the Chisox park being a live band box?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
if I had to guess, Lewis would be more likely to be back in the .340 neighborhood than Dye, especially a de-Comiskified Dye.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
They kill my argument if you think there’s a big difference between .344 and .327. Which there isn’t.
Did you miss that he mentioned quite a bit more than just the blockquote?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Great, park ratings and all that are fantastic. Whatever. Obviously there is no arguing that Fred Lewis may not be the superman everyone on this site thinks he is.
I’m sorry, but to say FLew is a better hitter than Dye is straight ridiculous. Stats or no stats, it’s stupid.
I don’t think he’s a better hitter. But the difference isn’t enough to justify the difference in salaries between Dye and Lewis. And that’s not even taking into account the other aspects of the two players (defense, baserunning.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
dye:
horrible defense, average bat at best, possibly, conceivably, plausibly slighly better than fred
Fred: decent defense (considering range) infintely better than dye in that regard, can be very good while playing everyday
also, he’s cheaper
I don’t think Fred Lewis is superman. He’s not even a particularly good player — close to average, really. And yet, he’s still better than Jermaine Dye. He’s about equal with the bat, slightly inferior if you want, but much, much better on defense.
No you don’t understand. If you’re willing to defend Fred Lewis, then that means that you think he should be starting for the next 10 years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s no compliment to Fred Lewis, Jermaine Dye is mediocre, so is Fred Lewis – just younger and cheaper.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
How about neither of them?
Jesus effin’ Christ.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither is fine. I just want a real upgrade, not some dude we paid because he’s more famous than the mediocre corner OF we’ve already got.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
can I interest you in a young man and cornerstone of the team named
EUGENIO VELEZ???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Budding superstar!
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Like my tea!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugnio!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 23, 2009 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen The Gene Hackman around much lately. His new sig was:
“It turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E’s.”
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
We are getting 3 years and $35MM of Johnny Damon and likeing it!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Damon might not actually be too bad of an acquisition. Dude gets on base, is remarkably consistent, etc etc. The arm is the big problem.
And the probable price, of course.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
A lot of it is his arm though. He’s still not great with range, but the extra negative 4 runs really hurts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
He's good at ignoring the parts that blow his point up
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
two of the last three years, Dye has put up pretty bleh numbers in the best hitters park in the AL.
Dude’s more name than game at this point.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
dye on the white sox: not very good
on the giants: not very good
to conclude: jermaine dye is not very good
Alright. Even with all the Dye hate lets be real Dye > Fred
And are you trying to say that Fred is GOOD with the glove?
Oh for God’s sake! Do you read this site? Fred Lewis has been above average in LF by UZR since he’s been with the Giants, on average about 9 runs/ 150. This year, 7 runs. He’s got bad hands, but more than makes up for it with good range that gets him to balls other LF chase out to the fence.
And other left fielders are TERRIBLE defensively. Like Jermaine, for example.
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Well that was long and pointless.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
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With the divorce proceedings and the clamor for a " True Ace" Now!! They might be the one fan base in this division set for a worse off season than us even with Big Head and the Sabeans back for 2 more seasons.
I really would like them to panic and trade one of Billiingsly or Kershaw as part of a package for Halladay. Not that I think Halladay is bad ( he is freaken’ very good) but I think the package would weaken them more over the next 3-5 years than if the just stand pat and get a middle of the rotation starter to counted on for ~200 IP reasonable pitching to while those other two grow.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Plus what will happen to Ramirez. Does he take his option and play another year with LA?
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
He will this year though. No way Ramirez passes up 20 Million. Another team would never pay Ramirez that type of money for just one year.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
he’d be dumb not to pick it up.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you arguing for or against him picking up the option?
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I’m not arguing, but If I were the soulless Manny Ramirez, I’d pick up the option and take the $20m. As a Giants fan and Manny-hater, I’d love to see the guy turn down the option and then try to sign a longer deal with some other team (preferably out of the division) and then not get even $20m. Of course, I’d like to see the Dodgers get saddled with a $20m salary on a player that might not produce that much, but that’s another story.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant it as, Manny is an idiot, pointing to the reported deals he turned down last year and how he was acting all entitled the entire off season.
But I agree he will most likely be picking up the option as he will not get 20 mill anywhere else (in this country).
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
You know Sabean
He’s going to try and go “all in” next season and end up just re-signing Sanchez, picking up Dye, and finding some free agent catcher who’s either not as good as Posey or whose contract doesn’t warrant the difference between his ability and Buster’s.
Kind of like going all-in with 3 eights or something.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Chances that Jermaine Dye is a Giant in 2010
60% too low?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s about right. He’s old, not that good, and blocks the equally mediocre but younger outfielders already on the roster. Perfect fit!
On the other hand, I’m convinced that if Dye is not signed that Winn will be back. So I don’t even know how I feel about Dye.
I’d rather have Winn than Dye. Winn actually had good 2007 and 2008 campaigns, so he might still have a decent hitter hidden somewhere inside, and we know he plays good defense and has speed. Dye is a lumbering idiot who has a little more bat but zero defense. Of course, I don’t want either of them anywhere near the clubhouse. In fact, let’s keep them out of the city in case Sabean sees them and tries to sign them.
I think 3 years to Johnny Damon has Sabean written all over it. with RF being what it is and the our left side infield being what it is I doubt they put a hack defender in LF.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
That’s the same old Brian Sabean of the past 10 years. Instead of signing Vlad, he signs Alou.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Nah, his Guerrero replacements were Brett Tomko, Michael Tucker, AJ Pierzynski, Dustan Mohr, Dustin Hermanson, etc. Alou was a year after Guerrero.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Oof
Even worse, but everyone gets the point about Sabean.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Also, Alou was actually Sabean’s second choice. What he really wanted to do was sign the desiccated remains of Steve Finley.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
One more dagger
The full quote re: Vlad:
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, [Pedro] Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and [Michael] Tucker—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It might be less infuriating if we now had a GM with a different philosophy, or if Sabean had adjusted his thinking at all.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
unbreakable logic, right there.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
that quote is no mere “dagger”…it’s so much more…it’s a black hole sucking the universe into its own asshole and, hence oblivion
Blehhh!
Kicking it olllllld school:
Even if Vlad’s price came down significantly, we wouldn’t have been able to afford him. Put it this way, if we signed Vladimir Guerrero, we couldn’t have acquired Dustan Mohr, Michael Tucker, Jeffrey Hammonds, Brett Tomko, Steve Sax, Chris Brown, or Vince Neil. The important thing isn’t that those players are of extremely limited value, rather it’s that I got a crapload of these guys.
It reminds me of an old saying: One magic bean will sprout a magic beanstalk, which could lead to lands too beautiful to even imagine. But a handful of regular beans might give you a few plants to subsist on for a short time, provided they aren’t killed off by a winter frost. Just think about that for a while.
From this brilliant-yet-misunderstood website.
Also of note: a zombie reference before it was cool.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant, I think my favorite thing about Waiting for Boof is how much time you put into the URL.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
The domain is a bit on the generic side: giantsblog.blogspot.com
I’m always confused when I see it linked to, because I keep expecting waitingforboof to be in the URL.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Got it. Yeah, I probably should have made it waitingforboof.blogspot.com, but I registered for the domain before I had the name picked out.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to admit that I wanted to sign Finley as well, but that was before he disintegrated into nothingness.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I was a Moises booster, myself. Too bad he couldn’t stay healthy.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My dad was a Moises booster, I never liked that signing. He was just another old man the Giants were signing.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Still a really good hitter though.
I should’ve seen the injuries coming giving his age, but he was just coming off two plus seasons of 150+ games for the Cubs…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yeah, I was cool with the signing. I was just worried that he wouldn’t stay healthy (and he didn’t).
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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He's on my Giants favorites shelf next to J.T.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That is Sabean’s biggest problem. He doesn’t know how to go half in sometimes. And every now and then, just the tip.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Holliday
I’m all for signing the guy to a ludicrous contract because that means the team increases its annual payroll.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
Sabean and the Giants don’t sign guys like Holliday. He will sign either Dye or Damon or…….
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
I know and I’m not getting my hopes up, but I’m still in favor of signing Holliday even if it is a lot.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t have much of a problem with Damon if his defense stats weren’t so ugly. Sheesh.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
It’s mostly the arm that brings them down too. The man actually has a limp wet noodle attached to his shoulder.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
So he is the exception to the Range>Arm rule?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
He’s had a few years in CF where his range was positive but his arm was ridiculously in the negative and it dragged his entire UZR down
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
with the arm rating it seems like there’s a minimum you need in order to not get destroyed, but beyond that your legs will give you most of your value.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
SUCK IT, the Russell Martin
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Oct 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions
The good thing about signing Holliday is that he’s already got his spectactular unforgettable franchise-killing postseason boner out of the way. Nothing but smooth sailing from here on!
tee hee
postseason boner
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
What's a POSTSEASON look like?
I’ve seen the other.
BTW , I tried to watch some postseason games but MLB – TV lied straight up to me about access and I just didn’t have a BONER to see it after all…so what killed the Spawns of Satan? They rolled so well through the season…and the Rockies…just that ol’ TempestTeapot magic running out all at once AGAIN? (CoLOLrado , ’07)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
whoops , through St.Louis.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
giants should win more at the gamers booth at the county fair
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Oct 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
I’m just glad the Dodgers lost again to the Phillies in the NLCS. Just goes to show you that Torre isn’t the greatest manager ever.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Isn't it only 21 years?
1989 to 2009 includes 21 seasons, if you also count the winner-less 1994 season. Otherwise it’s only 20. Or am I missing something?
I believe Grant was referring to Dodger WS wins.
not sure what you are talking about.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
OH!
Yeah, Grant’s talking about the 1988 World Series, featuring the most evil, soul-crushing home run in human history.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Beat the A’s, so it had some value IMO.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I didn’t have anything against the A’s until the 1989 World Series.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It has value for Kirk"Bench Coach For Life" Gibson.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the idea is that if we’re saying “if not us, at least not them,” then we wouldn’t have been able to say that in 1988. 1989 would have been the first year in the sequence. 1989 – 2009 is 21 years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Mad grammar and math skillz!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Well, you don’t get to where I am by having placable grammar and math skillz.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosterbating during a particularly boring lecture today...
I came up with this:
The Giants should try and trade for Carl Crawford (I’m realistic… it’s gonna take MadBum and then some. Maybe even MadBum and J. Sanchez and then some.) Expensive, but I think he’d be a brilliant fit for this outfield, this park, and this team.
Make a push to sign Chone Figgins in FA
Re-sign Freddy Sanchez and hope he gets healthy.
Re-sign Uribe and keep Renteria on the bench (I’m beyond sad that there’s no way this will really happen. Honestly, anything we could do to never have to watch Renteria play again short of a felony would be just awesome.)
Go after Grant’s “white whale,” Aaron Harang, and (depending on how much the Crawford trade costs) consider re-signing Brad Penny.
An offseason like that leads to the following benefits:
1) Garkawa relegated to backup roles as Figgins pushes Pablo to first
2) SPEED at the top of the lineup in front of Pablo in Crawford and Figgins.
3) A rotation that should still be really quite good and (arguably) has fewer question marks. I feel more confident that I know what I’m going to get from guys like Harang and Penny than from Sanchez and MadBum (although there is certainly MUCH more upside with the latter duo).
4) Notice I didn’t re-sign Molina?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions
Needs more Dunn.
Seriously, it’s likable. Are Posey/Whiteguy your cathers?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Whiteguy or Holm. I don’t know that there’s really much of a difference (I’m sure someone will point out that I’m wrong).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Holm is a better hitter than Whiteside, while Whiteside is a much better defender.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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together, they can rule the world.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Everybody wants to rule the world.
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I cant stand this indecision
Married with a lack of vision
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside = Pinky
Holm = Brain
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
POIT!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think one year of Crawford would cost Bumgarner.
And Harang for $LOTS isn’t preferable to a reasonable, one- or two-year Penny deal. Sabean outthunk me on that one by miles.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
1. The Rays probably aren’t trading Crawford in the offseason. They’ll get more in July when a desperate team needs an impact player RIGHT NOW and overpays for him, if they trade him at all, which isn’t a given. He is great, and Tampa is trying to contend, another reason they’ll trade him midseason (if they’re not in contention)
2. Chone Figgins is going to be too expensive as the #3 hitter in this years’ class, and the only speed/OBP threat, as well as the only decent INF.
3. The 2B market is saturated, and we could get Uribe back for cheaper, possibly at a better value. I’m not expecting him to repeat 2009, but he does hit DINGERZ unlike Sanchez and has a decent average and good glove for 2B. Renteria IS starting at SS in 2009 (stop trying to delude yourself) so there’s no point in resigning Uribe unless you want him in a utility role (which wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea). My gut tells me that Sanchez knows the Giants want him and he’ll hold out for too much. If we have to let him walk, we let him walk.
4. Aaron Harang=no thanks. He’s going to get a multiyear deal and again the FA market has nothing outside of Lackey. Tons of clubs need pitching. We’re better off going the Epstein way: sign a high-reward SP to a decent contract and hope like hell it works out. I’d like Penny back, personally, but there are a bunch of mid-level pitchers we could court (Pinero, Penny, Duchscherer, Marquis, maybe even a flier on Prior, because it rhymes!) to fill our #5 spot.
5. Put Schierholtz in right and Bowker in left. Okay, that’s not going to happen, but MAYBE there’s a Velez/Torres platoon and a Bowker/Schierholtz platoon. Bowker and Velez start, Schierholtz and Torres are late-inning defensive replacements.
An offseason like that leads to the following benefits:
1. Our top prospects don’t depart
2. Haven’t gone over the $100M payroll mark, so Timmeh and Cain can hang around for a while longer
3. Depending on the OF configuration, speed (and some pop) at the top of the lineup in the form of Schierholtz/Torres/Velez and/or power/OBP from Bowker
4. Can compete in 2010 and beyond thanks to solid, cheap(ish), young rotation of Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner and Posey and Sandoval leading the offense. Future offseasons aren’t crippled by a lack of payroll space, so FA signings can fix gaps.
I'm curious
On point #3, why you say to stop deluding yourself about Renteria being the SS, but then you talk about replacing Sanchez with Uribe. Saying Sanchez won’t be our 2b is just as delusional.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
I'd be fine with that
But I’d then demand a competent first baseman. Garko/Ishi ain’t it.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
garko can be a .850 OPS guy wtih consistent play
ishi possibly, but not likely, developsi nt oa major leaguer, but is still excellent with a glove and fine for the occasional start. i don’t just want to throw away garko
Garko, at best, is going to be average offensively and below average defensively. He might be a decent stopgap, but he is in no way a major part of the solution. Unless we’re getting major parts elsewhere, the infield (and 1B in particular) need to be upgraded.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i guess you're right
but this doesn’t sounds too bad
garko 1B
figgins 2B
uribe? SS
pablo 3B
bowker LF
bradley CF
schierholtz??? RF
Replace Figgins with F. Sanchez and I’m happy. Of course, that’s totally unrealistic and would only happen in a universe with a competent GM and manager.
I do love the Rowand for Bradley deal for both sides though. It’s a swap that makes a lot of sense, a lot like the Ryan Church for Jeff Francoeur deal.
Good points here (and Grant as well— though I’m not sure Harang’s 6-14 record and 4.21 ERA screams dollar signs)… I’m already kind of regretting the Figgins idea because he IS going to be overpaid, you’re right. But I will continue to retain the right to live in a world where I can delude myself into thinking the Giants will do something smart and keep Renteria on the bench. If you’re looking for realistic predictions as opposed to hopes, look somewhere else. I prefer to strategize based on what I would do, rather than face the harsh reality that we’ve got a dumbass and a muppet running this team.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure Harang’s 6-14 record and 4.21 ERA screams dollar signs
If he were a free agent, he’d probably be undervalued compared to the Oliver Perez/Kyle Loshe type deals. But he’s still under contract with the Reds next years for, like $8M or $12M or something big. If you offered Eli Whiteside to the Reds for Harang, they wouldn’t look back.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 22, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Rays trade Crawford, I imagine they do it for a group of farther away prospects. Their present and near future is stacked. Like, overflowing.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
I think the Rays would take Bumgarner+J. Sanchez/2 mid-level prospects for Crawford. That allows them to promote Desmond Jennings, cut payroll or spend this offseason, and install Sanchez in their rotation, which would immediately boost it, and allow them to trade one of their current mediocre SP for more prospects. Bumgarner does the same thing in a year.
I wouldn’t do that trade for one year of Crawford D:
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Taking a different approach today...
Instead of stressing over 146 fucked-up lineups that will be posted on Schulman’s and Baggs’ blogs next season, I think I’ll just bask in the afterglow of a Dodgers implosion with the promise of more to come. At least for today.
It’s going to be a long winter. Gotta stock up on sanity and happy thoughts while I still can. Tomorrow: panic and rage.
No Tommy Lasorda parades… only Kobe Bryant parades. Pick your poison.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 22, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hi!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
:D
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Unfortunately, that’s the best we’ve been able to do for a while. Four Lakers parades. That is unless you count the Ducks title and the USC shared title in football. Couple of near misses for UCLA basketball and the Dodgers. I won’t play the Sparks or Galaxy card, haha! :)
vr, Xei
Hi!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably because there is no local team. Chargers bleh, Raiders bleh, Niners bleh. Kind of amazing really that there is no NFL team in Los Angeles, especially for this long. Maybe after the McCourt divorce settlement we will be without a baseball team too! :)
vr, Xei
One can only hope.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And you really can’t be a fan of all LA-area teams, can you?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Question
Did the simulator see this one coming?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 22, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Really hombre....?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
There is a stupid Dodgers rosterbation thread going on mlbtraderumors right now
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/discussion-whats-next-for-the-dodgers.html
Such gems as:
Marlins Give Up: Dan Uggla, Josh Johnson
Dodgers Give Up: Blake DeWitt, Xavier Paul, Scott Elbert, and Tony Delmonico
Martin, Billingsley and a handful of minor leaguers for Greinke (KC doesn’t want to pay $13M per year no matter how good he is)and Soria. Trade Sherrill to refill prospects.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
hahahahaha
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
SIRM + overrated SP + random minor leaguers for Greinke and Soria?
Come on, KC….
"El once, chico. Eleven."
bold
i will guarantee that the opening day starter next year will be Roy Halladay. Their starting pitching is a big time weakness. when Padilla is your best shot at in an elimination game your staff is not that good. i don’t that the marlins are going to trade Johnson.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Easy!
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Pedro Feliz is laughing at us
/sheesh
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
owch
D’Backs prospect Jarrod Parker will be examined by Dr. James Andrews later this week and is expected to undergo Tommy John elbow surgery.
Parker was shut down in July because of elbow soreness, but the Diamondbacks said as recently as two weeks ago that he’d made progress with a throwing program. Instead he’s slated to go under the knife and the 20-year-old former first-round pick will likely miss all of 2010.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
speaking of prospects
check out thevaultsky’s newest blog…
LOL STRASBURG
http://azgiants.com/post/220397894/strasburg-has-rough-outing
2.2 IP, 8ER’s, 3HR’s, One of those a Granny, and 60 pitches.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yo, junior, you been hanging out with PiKA too much.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I told him.
/goes to do rail
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
/LAWLS at “savvy streetwise terminology”
/tweeks understanding just a little
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
meanwhile
Thomas Neal went 2-5 with a double!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Crawford's doing well too
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Not today
Just so far in the AFL.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
The McCourts divorce
do not discount this as minor. This potentially could shake up the NL West for the next 5 years. Divorce had a devastating impact on the Padres, and they stopped paying what little talent they had. The Dodgers’ cheap talent is going to get very expensive very soon.
This divorce could mean the Matt Kemps, Andre Ethiers, and any major FA signings of the world will be out of LA very shortly.
/sends Mrs. Sabean flowers with a note, “With love, from Brian.”
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Would that really matter?
The Giants have a pretty large and diverse ownership group. I can’t imagine Neukom divorcing to have that big an effect. Is he even the majority partner or just the guy picked to do the day to day?
"Matt Cain will save the children, but not the Dodger children" - I realize this is someone else's signature but I wanted to emphasize it because it is so damn genius on several levels at once.
by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Oct 22, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the Burns’ family have the most shares in the team.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
LOLYANKEES!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
LOL LOL YANKEES! 4-0 Angels!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Game thread
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/10/22/1097045/alcs-game-five
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Here's an idea...
Bring back Barry Bonds – dirt cheap, protect Panda, add 20+ HR and a solid OBP. If Giants Brass actually cares to improve the team they would be crazy not to consider.
by anthropocenTRICK on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
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