Wagner Mateo to Giants?
This guy writes for ESPN, apparently, so it seems like it could be legitimate. Thoughts?
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Mateo is the guy who has the eye problem right? What do the Giant’s know that the Cardinals don’t?
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 21, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
An optometrist’s phone number
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by i did my job on Oct 21, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
invention of LASIK hasn’t made its way to St Louis?
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by MetalFaceDoom on Oct 22, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t LASIK not recommended for people under the age of like 23 or something?
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 22, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
hopefully it turns out to be a good risk. It sounds like the kid has a lot of talent, if he’s not brought down by this eye condition. Not that we didn’t need them before, but especially with this Angel Villalona situation we need all the toolsy, hope-they’re-a-future-star kind of prospects we can get.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 21, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions
from mlbtraderumors
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/mateo-to-san-francisco.html
ESPN.com’s Jorge Arangure reports (via Twitter) that the Giants may be on the verge of signing 16-year-old Dominican prospect Wagner Mateo. A deal could be finalized “within [the] next couple of weeks.”
Mateo was originally signed by St. Louis in June to a contract with a $3.1MM signing bonus, but the deal was voided by the club in September after medical tests revealed that the young outfielder was suffering from vision problems. The entire situation is nicely detailed in this piece by Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, noting that Mateo’s signing was an impressive victory for the Cardinals’ rebuild Latin American scouting operations.
In a tweet from last June, Arangure said that San Francisco came closest to signing Mateo away from St. Louis’ grasp in the first place, but got “cold feet” offering a bonus of $3.5MM. The Cards and Giants were two of several teams interested in the highly-regarded young outfielder.
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Read that STL Dispatch article and they paint his 20/200 vision as an intractable problem. The fact that he’s been to the best doctors in America doesn’t seem too promising. But it’s not my money, so sign this Dominican right on up.
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I have 20/200 vision and I was always told growing up that there’s nothing much that could be done, though I believe today science and technology have advanced so that something might be doable, but am not totally sure. I always found, growing up, that hitting a baseball was quite difficult with this condition. That Mateo can wear a contact and get it to 20/30, is pretty remarkable, though most of the best hitters have 20/20 or better (Bonds had 20/10 I believe)
In any event, I needed clearance from an eye doctor to get my driver’s license (or I can just cheat on the DMV eye exam, which is I found to be quite easy.) which means I’m probably legally blind.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 21, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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Look, we still own Angel, right? Angel is in a Dominican jail, right? Dominicans will do anything for money, right? UCSF is one of the best, if not the best, Hospital in the US, right? Eye transplants are common, right?
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by say hey nation on Oct 22, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I have faith in the Giants' medical staff
After all, they cleared Freddy Sanchez, didn’t they?
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maybe we can get the medical staff from the Mets to take a look, just to make sure.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 21, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants voided a Latin signing earlier this year because of health concerns.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 21, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions
Who is Luis Mateo?
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by MetalFaceDoom on Oct 22, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
legally blind?
he can always be an umpire.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 21, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions
I’d be thrilled if the Giants sign him. The eye problem sounds serious, of course. I doubt the Cards would go through the embarrassment of voiding the contract unless they were convinced of long-term trouble.
But I can’t help but root for a kid like this. His talent earned him a $3.1 million contract and a ticket out of poverty, and he lost it all in a physical because of things he had no control over. I hope he’s the exception to the rule, the one guy who can succeed with 20/30 vision.
Plus, he’s bound to be cheaper at this point. w00t.
I agree with this. Wagner seems like a good kid. The Giants could use a story like this right about now. Standing by Wagner like this would have to be a good sign to future latin free agents.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Oct 21, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
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I don’t think the Cards didn’t want him, they just didn’t want him at that price anymore. Once they voided the contract though, I don’t think it was something they could work through to get a new deal in place.
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right. I think they still wanted him, but at a big discount. As they knew, though, they likely burned that bridge when they voided it.
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by haverecords on Oct 21, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
The Cards probably wanted him to sign for six figures when they found out he wore contacts. I wouldn’t be sad if the Giants threw serious money at him in hopes that his obviously awesome natural ability might lead him to be a good major leaguer with “only” 20/30 vision
I’m too impatient to get excited about these types of signings. Call me when he’s in AAA, in 14 years.
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Wait until he’s with the Giants in 20 years.
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by Headhunter Rollins on Oct 22, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions
Didn’t see it posted earlier, thought it might be nice to revisit video of his swing.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Oct 22, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions
He definitely has a pretty swing.
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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
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How bad is 20/200 vision?
i have 20/200 vision and i can’t see anything. is 20/200 really bad? do alot of people have worser vision than 20/200. also, does anyone else get really bad headaces from contacts because i do and my eyes are always dry. i want to get lasik when i am 21, but is that to young? i heard someone lasik and in one year they got their old eyesight back. i have heard alot of bad stories about lasik. is it too dangerous?* 1 year ago
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the lack of good central vision in the right eye, from the neuritis, could have allowed a tendency for the right eye to drift out (“exophoria”), which was previously well controlled, to become apparent (“exotropia”).
You don’t say whether the optic neuritis was an isolated incident or associated with other problems. If the latter, it’s possible that the nerve controling the inward movement of the right eye, the medial rectus, has had a similar episode to the optic nerve.
In the first case, if the turn is obvious, cosmetic surgery to re-align the eye might be considered, but in the second it would be approached only with a fair degree of caution.
If you wear glasses there are also possibilities to reduce the appearance of the strabismus without surgery.
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by say hey nation on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
I’m not sure exactly how to read what you’re saying but if he has exotropia it shouldn’t affect his ability to play baseball.
I have exotropia (if something is in front of one of my eyes and I’m looking far away the blocked eye will drift or if I’m not focusing on anything the same can happen) and as long as I’m focusing on an object (like a baseball) both eyes stay in line and I have depth perception.
Maybe there’s more advanced forms where the person can’t control it, though.
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IS 20/200 really bad…I can’t see anything..
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by say hey nation on Oct 22, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So they are saying he would have to be a Jedi to be a ball player?
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Well it can’t be much worse than the current "Swing at everything or you’re not aggressive enough!!" approach Sabean-Metrics™ is following.
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by daveinexile on Oct 22, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I have amblyopia
AKA “Lazy Eye”….The vision in my right eye is 20/12, but the vision in my left eye is 20/100….
I was good at baseball until people started throwing breaking balls…My depth perception just didn’t work very well, I couldn’t tell the difference between pitches….
I can’t even imagine closing my right eye and trying to hit a baseball…I would be really skeptical of the kid if he has serious vision issues…It’s not my money, though….Spend, spend, spend! (As long as it isn’t too much money)
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions
He probably hasn't seen many breaking balls yet, eh?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 23, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 22, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions
No matter what happens here, signing Wagner Mateo makes the Giants look like a kind and compassionate team, while the Cardinals look like evil Americans to Latin players. Perception is important to signing those players, because they are often signed very young, and are thus influenced greatly by their advisors, parents, and communities/countries. If the Giants establish goodwill in Latin America (by standing by Angel, if he turns out to be Innocent) and then signing Wagner Mateo, they could position themselves as a major front-runner for Latin talent for the next decade.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 AM PDT reply actions
Or they could just spend.
At the end of the day, amateur FA’s don’t leave any more money on the table than professional ones. Largely because those “advisers [and] parents” are getting a huge cut of the action.
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It isnt just about money though. You need accessibility. And we arent just talking about the Wagner Mateo’s of the world, the smaller prospects who could make an impact might come out that way.
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