Cain for Fielder or Gonzalez? Or not at all?
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 6:29 PM PDT
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Our rotation won't be affected too much, and Travis Ishikawa would be a very good backup. Plus, we still have Timmy, Sanchez, Penny, Bumgarner, and Zito. Or, we could trade Madison Bumgarner instead and keep the one-two punch of Lincecum and Fatt Matt. What do you think? Or, should we instead pursue a big time hitter in free agency? Your call. Well, really, it's Sabean's call. Whatever. I believe our Giants should keep Cain and deal Bumgarner for Adrian Gonzalez because he's an amazing hitter and he has a cheap contract. He will make 5 mil in 2010, and he has a 2011 club optiopn for 5.5 million, as opposed to Prince Fielder's 13 mil or so, but
that's just my opinion.
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WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 18, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Oct 18, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Gonzalez than Fielder.
Since he’s already used to playing in a park that saps his numbers.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 18, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 19, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Fielder may try to swipe my garlic fries!
(Gonzalez would never do this)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 19, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching, pitching and more pitching
The reason the Giants played over .500 ball in 2009 was because of the success of the pitching staff. Would prefer SF look for speedy tablesetters at the top of the lineup
by wilriv21 on Oct 18, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
VROOOOMM!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 18, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had me until the second sentence.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 18, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be a table setter you need to have good OBP skills. Think of Panda routinely hitting with runners on base and please tell me how that is not a good thing?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 18, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We just need better hitters, not ultra-specialized players like “table setters”.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 19, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Table setters? Tabl Setters!!
Chone Figgins would bat 3rd in this lineup.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only trade Cain If It Is A Deal That Returns Multiple Quality Players Ready To Start At The MLB Level.
To trade him straight up for even a hitter as good as Fielder or Gonzalez accomplishes nothing as it creates a hole in the rotation just as big as the hole in the lineup it fills.
by giantsrainman on Oct 18, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
harsh
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 18, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I just don’t agree with the FO assessment of “quality”.
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by say hey nation on Oct 19, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could NOT agree… More.
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by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hijack.....Most hated NFL player.
Brett Favre
See 49ers vs Vikings game for reason # 453!
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by The Thrill on Oct 18, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wholeheartedly concur
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 18, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t HATE Favre, I’m just terribly terribly SICK of hearing about Brett Favre.
by Merope on Oct 18, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is kinda like jeter and other players who star in the ESPN porn, but differs in the fact that I would actually hate it if he ever played for my team. I don’t know why, but the guy is a real bitch. Jeter et al I wouldn’t mind being a Giant/niner/warrior
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by say hey nation on Oct 19, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s about him being a bitch.
by JetSam on Oct 26, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JaMarcus Russell
Just because he sucks. I also am not a big Eli Manning fan, he’s a goober.
by Fresburg on Oct 19, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jamarcus russell should stick around
for the LULZ
poor raiders fans…
by sfoakbay on Oct 19, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli Manning always sounds like a moron in interviews. Also, for some unexplainable reason, he looks like an overgrown preschooler.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey Porter and Ray Lewis have to be in the mix here.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 19, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Favre because of the way he and other people pronounce his name. I don’t care what golden trailer park he was born in, if you spell it FAV-re then you can’t pronounce it FAR-ve. The difference between FAR away and FAVorite is easily noticeable.
We just traded who for who?!
by BawLa on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Fucking Romo.
What a tool.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Oct 20, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does everyone hate Matt Cain?
by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 18, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fat Matt?
Manatee? – (was this even a reference to Cain or just a funny whale word? Or is it porpoise?)
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Oct 18, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lolz
I read that as Phat Matt. The Manatee to be saved I assumed was Bengie.
by esseffgeez on Oct 19, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s all his fault.
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by ResDog on Oct 19, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Community Guidelines are up:
No personal attacks. No politics. No racist, sexist, or homophobic remarks. No sex in the champagne room.
Swear if you must, but picking your spots will make the swearing much more effective.
If you are a fan of an opposing team, play nice. We have it bad enough as it is. We welcome opposing viewpoints, but trolling will not be tolerated.
Before you post your first FanShot or FanPost, please take the time to look over the FanShots or FanPosts made over the previous month. Make sure you are not repeating a worn-out or repeated topic. An example of this would be a “Cain for Fielder?” post. It’s been done, and by agreeing to these terms, you’re agreeing that others can mock you mercilessly if you put up a topic that has been beaten to death.
With that in place, let’s take it easy on this one. Dude just wanted to talk Giants, he didn’t know that Cain-for-Fielder has been done over and over and over. After this, though, fair game.
by Grant on Oct 18, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause I'm frigging 13.
I’ve been on this site for about a month.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've probably had Cain-for-[fat slugger] conversations in the past month.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Oct 18, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Gonzalez isn’t fat. Er…
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True true… maybe I should’ve put [not very athletic slugger]
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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by baetown415 on Oct 18, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know WalrusMan?
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WalrusMan linked to 13 year old
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Oct 18, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually not that huge a deal
But just some advice, you don’t need to use your age as a defense every time someone criticizes you.
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by raisingcain on Oct 21, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, I’m almost twice Ramah’s age. Unless he/she’s exaggerating.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twice??
I’m over three times his/her age. Of course, there are people here who are 5 times his/her age.
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by SFGuy on Oct 22, 2009 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALMOST twice!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, I’m twice Howie’s age. Unless he/she’s exaggerating.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Oct 22, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 22, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
If you can’t take it, then don’t come here. Age isn’t a factor.
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by El Person on Oct 22, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....But......I paid a cover charge.....
specifically for the champagne room.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see politics discussed on here a lot. Also, trolls seem to be certainly tolerated.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When politics are discussed, they don’t get too out of hand that often. Trolls are tolerated (to a point) because the mods are nice people.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and really, we discuss politics civilly (is that a word?)
its not “FUCK U OBAMA UR AN ARAB GO DIE IN HELL”
by sfoakbay on Oct 20, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t really die IN hell, though… I mean, that would really sort of defeat the point.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They mean Los Angeles, SMARTYPANTS.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Oct 20, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Right.
It is “FUCK U BUSH UR A CHRISTIAN GO DIE IN HELL”
by giantsrainman on Oct 20, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh this is too sweet!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 18, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Big Giant Head
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner for Gonzalez is more interesting
I wonder if the Pads would go for it. Probably not.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 18, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
when there was talking about them possibly trading Gonzalez, they were asking for almost as much as the Jays were after for Halladay, so I don’t think they’d take that.
by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 18, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have to be something crazy, like Alderson, Barnes, Fred Lewis, and Villalona.
by Grant on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
soooo that means we should be able to do F. Sanchez, Garko, Flew, and uh I don’t know but GIT R DUN
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Oct 18, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:’-(
Schadendodgerfreude 2009!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 18, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHO?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 18, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't trade Villalona!
We need him against the Dodgers…he’ll murder da bums!
(Too soon?)
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by Goofus on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do that in a heartbeat. Even pre-murder charges
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was when Towers was runnin the joint
not anymore, I guess
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever takes over for Towers will still want a lot for Gonzalez.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 19, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh i dont think Bumgarner gets either of those by a long shot....
and i seriously doubt Cain gets Gonzalez as well….
people on here overrating our “talent”
by grako on Oct 18, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner and Cain warrant quotation marks around talent?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 18, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One guy =/= everyone on the site
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 19, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTradeRumors.com linked to this:
5. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres – This is the fellow I suspect the [Red] Sox will go after. They would then move Kevin Youkilis to third, with Ortiz and Mike Lowell sharing DH duties. Gonzalez came very close to getting traded to the Mariners at the deadline in a five-for-one (Seattle wouldn’t give up a certain fifth minor leaguer). Only question is, do the Sox have enough players to give San Diego?
by esseffgeez on Oct 18, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it be nice to have the payroll to have contracts like Ortiz and Lowell sharing DH duties?
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by Goofus on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Red Sox are like a damn video game. “If I trade Ellsbury for Pujols, I can move Kevin Youkilis to center field”
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's barely the offseason
and already I can’t stop thinking about Adrian Gonzalez,
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Oct 18, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Intriguing!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 18, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like my head is going to explode if I read one more of these inane trade Cain posts. Calling him “fatt matt” was just the icing on the me-losing-my-effing-mind cake.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Oct 18, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
.....
Our rotation wouldn’t be affected that much if we traded Matt Cain? Bumgarner for Adrian Gonzalez? The Adrian Gonzalez that’s one of the top 1B in the game? The Adrian Gonzalez that’s one of the top 1B in the game with one of the biggest bargain contracts in the game? Are you by any chance TakeAGiantStepNGo with a new name?
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Oct 18, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Cain is one of the top pitchers in the game with a pretty cheap contract as well. That said, I don’t think the Pads would do it, but if I were the Giants I sure would.
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by Goofus on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our rotation won’t be affected too much
wow.
Thing A
by sam23 on Oct 18, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
Should it be “effected”?
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by Bhaakon on Oct 19, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. But if you think removing Cain from the rotation wouldn’t affect it too much…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as much as his unsustainable ERA would indicate.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 19, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
220 innings of 3.8ish ERA pitching is still a hell of a lot harder to acquire without breaking the bank than you’d think.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Wolf
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was a reclamation project of sorts coming into this year. And is going to cost a lot more than whatever he made this year next year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I’m saying is, pitchers like that can be found. Jason Marquis is another example… They’re out there.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 20, 2009 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re already going to be on the lookout for one of these guys for a 5th starter this winter, we gotta find one to replace our #2 guy, too? And hope it all offsets this offense?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Oct 20, 2009 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they can be found. The trouble is that they’re either cheap and a huge risk or safer and extremely expensive. Hell, Marquis made almost $10 million this year. We don’t have that kind of budget room to spend on a pitcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Before this year, Marquis was a guy who a) did not pitch close to 220 IP a year and b) was worth between -0.7 and 1.9 WAR every season. So he’s not exactly a safe bet to replace Cain’s production either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be surprised if Cain puts together another season like this one, though. I think he’s going to be closer to the pre-2009 Cain, and his value is a bit inflated at this point.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 20, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is a bad example. A 25 year old making $4.25m with a career 3.89 FIP > A 31 year old making $10m (will probably get more) with a career 4.82 FIP
At least go to Fangraphs and see how their career stats compare, by year and by age. The difference isn’t just 1 year.
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it depends on what you think Cain did this year. If you’re looking at ERA, sure, that’s a fair point. If you look at FIP/WAR, though, here’s what Cain’s accomplished:
2006: 190.2 IP, 3.96 FIP, 4.01 tRA, 3.5 WAR
2007: 200 IP, 3.78 FIP, 3.74 tRA, 4.0 WAR
2008: 217.2 IP, 3.91 FIP, 4.80 tRA, 3.7 WAR
2009: 217.2 IP, 3.89 FIP, 4.38 tRA, 3.6 WAR
Talk about consistency…
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that doesn’t make any sense, we’re not talking about Cain as though he’s the pitcher he was in 2009 ERA-wise, we’re talking about him FIP-wise. Pitchers who pitch 200+ innings consistently at the level Cain does are not easy to find without paying a lot of money or taking big risks.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trouble is that they’re either cheap and a huge risk or safer and extremely expensive.
Perfectly sums up one of the many reasons I hope Sabean doesn’t trade Cain. It’s often cheaper to retain your own players than it is to outbid the competition on the free agent market.
That and Sabean will mess up any trade he makes for Cain.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enquiring minds want to know – how exactly are we supposed to find these 200+ IP workhorses with FIPS around 3.8? Hope that Zito and Dirty can pitch deeper into games and lower their FIPs? Are we supposed to trade for starting pitching in addition to offense? Are we picking up Fielder’s $10.5m salary in 2010 in addition to one of these FAs?
Cliff Lee – $9m (if option doesn’t get picked up – UNLIKELY)
Joel Pineiro – $7.5m
Randy Wolf – $5m
Jason Marquis – $10m, FIP 4.10,
Jon Garland – $10m (if option doesn’t get picked up), FIP 4.48
Doug Davis – $8.75m, FIP 4.84
Ages respectively (as of the 2009 season) are: 31, 30, 32, 30, 29, 33.
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enquiring? What is this, Great Britain?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use enquiring!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, Great British?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My parents come from a former British territory. Does that count?
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it great?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about “pretty good”?
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know… they can’t just go making exceptions for every former colony that happens to be “pretty good.” But they might be able to make an exception in your case. They probably can. Yeah, they’re telling me right now that it’s cool.
You’re lucky they’re run by Church of England.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hong Kong
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME
Best former British colony evah!
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lived there for three years. :)
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
The last time I’ve visited HK was 10 years ago, and I’ve been dying to go back.
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by Natto on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooo
i went in the summer, had an awesome time. i went to china afterwards, (for the first time) and the gap (architecture, cleanliness, etc.) between the two places is gargantuan
by sfoakbay on Oct 21, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some pretty urban areas but overall there’s definitely a lot more “developing” to go. They should do it in more ways that are less detrimental to the environment though.
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by Natto on Oct 21, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in China did you go? The gap has actually narrowed A TON between HK and Shanghai/Beijing in say, the last 5 years, at least in terms of Western amenities and infrastructure.
If you were mostly in towns and villages…then yes. But I actually enjoy getting out into the country more. China is an amazingly diverse country…can’t wait to go back again. Need to brush up on Chinese, though.
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys got out just at the right time. All the current colonies kinda suck.
I mean seriously, Monserrat is about half burning ash, and Pitcairn has like no dudes after the rampant sexual abuse there.
And don’t get me started on Anguilla.
by grape on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bermuda has taken over the title of best British territory at this point.
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enquiring minds want to know. I want to know!
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh alright. I suppose knowledge must be shared among the McCoven:
Karina Smirnoff Spotted Kissing San Francisco Giants Pitcher Brad Penny
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANGLOIST!
Besides, if it’s good enough for the guys/gals who coined the slogan, it’s good enough for me.
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Cain isn’t an ace but pitching like him is pretty damn hard to find on the free agent or trade market without giving out a lot.
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by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in a few years the Giants are going to have to spend a ton of money to extend him anyway
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I got the tone of my post wrong but I’m not being combative. (Saving my energy for Dodgers/Phils Game 5). I really am more curious than anything as to how proponents of the Cain for whoever deal see it playing out. How can we trade Cain and not see a measurable impact on the starting rotation, given the talent that’s available, the budget we have, and the gap we’d have to fill in losing one of the anchors of our pitching staff?
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be a noticeable loss in the pitching rotation. It’s worth it. We need the hitting. I think we’ll more easily find rotation filler than bats to fill out our lineup at positions of need. Cain’s trade value right now is at its peak.
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if it is, say, Cain for Prince Fielder (assuming the Brewers would do it straight-up, which I’m not sure they would) – that’s going to be a big upgrade at first base, but it’s also going to take up a big chunk of our available budget. How are we going to, then, replace Cain, add a fifth starter, and fill all of our other holes with the money we have available?
Honestly, the kind of Cain trade that would make the most sense is something like the package Haren got for the A’s. But there’s no way Sabean would make a trade like that at this point after the season we just had.
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by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, and can I get a hallelujah?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That takes too much thinking. I’ve been advocating trading for a premium position player of some kind. Easy answer? Try to win a damn WS and expand the budget!
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s the only significant upgrade we make this offseason, I doubt Timmy, Pablo and Prince gets us any closer to the WS than Timmy, Matt and Pablo. It would be a different flavor of fail, but still a fail.
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince doesn’t play a premium position, so I am not talking about him at the moment…
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince DOES play a premium instrument
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/looks at that picture and does an air guitar
…But can he play SS?
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From an ESPN chat with Jim Callis:
Larry (nyc)
Who says no… Cano + Kennedy + Cash for Matt Cain
Jim Callis
(2:52 PM)
That would be interesting, I could see something like that happening.
But why would we want another AAA pitcher?
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and the Yanks wouldn’t give up Cano.
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by Natto on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s kinda like their Matt Cain – fodder for trade rumors.
Here’s another one that made me lolz:
Rob (Oakland)
Which team says no to a BJ Upton/Buster Posey trade?
Jim Callis
(2:27 PM)
The Giants. It’s hard to find good catchers.
Evidently Jim doesn’t know the Giants very well…
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/light goes off in esseffgeez’s head
Oh, Cash as in $$ and not Kevin Cash. Whoops, didn’t realize that Kevin Cash had been optioned and released by the Yanks.
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Callis encourage dumb Yankees fans to throw their stupid proposals out there? That proposal isn’t even in the ballpark to begin the conversation.
by Missing Barry on Oct 21, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t agree more!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His long and well-chronicled history of injuries doesn’t scare you even a little?
by esseffgeez on Oct 20, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not a huge risk at all…
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by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he doesn't worry me at all
of course he does, i was just throwing out names
by sfoakbay on Oct 20, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well yeah, I think he’d be a good pickup. Though I wonder if he might end up being a combination of huge risk and relatively high salary (is he going to come for $2-5 mil? or will he cost $9-10? idk.)
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by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
if he wants 9-10 million NOBODY should sign him. he has a significant injury history, and he needs to prove he can stay healthy for anyone to give him a significant contract. i would do a 1 yr, 3-4 mil deal. another interesting name is duschschererer. or resign fat cain, though i probably wouldn’t
by sfoakbay on Oct 20, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like all these guys as possible fifth starter candidates (obviously with the potential of being a lot more) but relying on any of them to replace Cain could be really ugly.
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by jponry on Oct 20, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think Sheets will get a fair contract that takes his high risk into account (which means less $$)…
Unless someone securitizes his contract and sells it off to be packaged with other high risk securities and sold to investors…speaking of which, I think I just came up with a way to make a lot of money. Pretend you didn’t read this…
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Matt Morris!
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Bamgarner would add to the dumping.
Lost Alderson and clark and now madison? No way! We could have traded the 3 of them for Pujols. or Hanley Ramirez.
by bradleybear on Oct 18, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Clark?
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of a world championship stems back to re-signing Robby and inking Portugal over just re-signing Will Clark. Read it in my newsletter.
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by ResDog on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Bumgarner, Alderson and Will/Jack Clark for Pujols?
done!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 20, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards still owe us from the first Jack Clark trade. David Green, Dave LaPoint, Gary Rajsich and Jose Uribe my hairy arse…
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 21, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, how much did you drink before you had this great idea? I got to know.
by jnormous on Oct 19, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
come on, man.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bro
we get it, your thirteen, but if you want to post on this site, people are going to criticize you. Some people disagree with even the best ideas. This is the internet, people dont post nice.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 20, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE question each others sanity and motives all the time here. It is nothing personal.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 21, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/sigh
Here you go, kid. Enjoy.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/10/8/1077282/rebuilding-trade-for-prospects
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/10/2/1066471/giants-need-to-trade-an-arm-they
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/9/16/1033804/fielder-for-cain
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/9/15/1031675/cain-for-fielder-the-rumor-that
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/6/22/921152/would-you-trade-matt-cain-for
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/6/14/909445/trade-idea
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/5/24/885350/trading-matt-cain
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/5/23/885030/sabean-possibly-dangling-matt-cain
by esseffgeez on Oct 19, 2009 6:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
jeez, I didn’t know! Plus the Padres have already expressed an interest to do a Bumgarner for Gonzalez swap, so there you go.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
When?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 19, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
around the trade deadline.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to hunt around for the article but it wasn’t just Bummy they wanted. They were looking for a huge package in exchange for AGon – something like Bummy and Posey +.
by esseffgeez on Oct 19, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure I could have dredged up a handful more that were posted before May.
by esseffgeez on Oct 19, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still prefer the Giants making some kind of deal for Ryan Braun.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer the Giants had this lineup
1B Pujols
2B Utley
3rd Pand
SS Hanley
RF Zobrist
CF Granderson/Kemp/Sizemore
LF Crawford
C Mauer
With a pitching staff of
Timmy
Grienke
Halladay
King Felix
CC
with Mariano closing
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 19, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'll happen
when Bruce Bochy realizes that maybe starting Randy Winn every effing game wasn’t such a good idea after all…
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by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and putting Bengie at cleanup, and keeping Nate Schierholtz on the bench and playing FRED LEWIS…
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with the second part.
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well… FRED LEWIS
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RANDY WINN
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FRED LEWIS
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok…
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis is the problem.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah! It all makes sense now! Fred Lewis = Randy Winn!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred “Classy” Lewis
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by Natto on Oct 20, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classiest Problem ever!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 20, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say that as if Nate is a clearly better player than Fred
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by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Votto and Bruce.
Maybe H. Ramirez.
Why not Mauer?
I bet Cainer and Madbum get it done!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 19, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers would not do it.
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by Natto on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know they wouldn’t. But can’t I dream?
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I agree with you, but I was just thinking the other day that after watching the Cliff Lee fiasco this year, I’m never going to say “x wouldn’t trade y” ever again. I mean seriously, WTF was Cleveland even thinking about? I couldn’t even figure out why they felt like they needed to move him this year, much less get in such a rush about it that they shipped him off for a pile of crap before the bidding could even heat up.
Moral: you just never know what stupid things GMs are going to do to justify their position.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Oct 19, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how this nonsense keeps coming up… Cain for Fielder is what, two years old now? At least? Are people, all this time later, still thinking that trade could get done? I mean honestly here… How has this crazy plan been perpetuated all this time?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh lord.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 19, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Urban on KNBR talked about ...
a package with Schierholtz and Runzler for Gonzalez. It may have been a listener who bought is up, but Urban didn’t refute him. Heck, why not throw in Frandsen and Bowker.
We need to be realistic. The one thing about Cain/Fielder is that they are both under club control for the same amount of time, right? The motivation for the Brewers is that Fielder is more expensive, and they need pitching. We need offense and also should have more room in our budget. But talent-wise, I don’t think Cain is enough to get Fielder. We could have used Alderson and Barnes to add to the package. That’s why the trades for Garko and Sanchez were lame – not because Alderson and Barnes are future can’t miss stars, but rather they could have been packaged for solid upgrades instead of modest upgrades.
by ErodCal on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Schierholtz looks like a ballplayer! And Runzler’s got a great arm! Sounds fair to me!!”
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by jponry on Oct 19, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams are always looking to add more “ballplayers” to their club.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was running the Giants, I would look to trade Cain this offseason. His value will never be higher. I think he’d get a much, much bigger return than Sanchez. We need the hitting desperately, and it will be harder to upgrade than to find someone like Penny that can come in on a short contract to fill the rotation. However, I would not trade Cain for any corner infielder not named Pujols. Corner infielders are one of the easiest places to find decent hitting. Sure our incompetent GM struggles with that, but it really isn’t that hard to get decent production. I’d be looking for a hitter at a premium position if it involved trading Cain. CF or middle infield especially. Middle infield defense isn’t that important to us – our pitchers gets lots of K’s and few GB’s, so I’d focus more on offense. I dunno if I’d find the right trade, but that’s what I would be looking for. We should be able to fill 1B with a decent hitter without trading involving Cain.
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I swear this much to you:
If Brian Sabean were to trade Matt Cain, you WILL NOT be happy with the results. Let’s go over the scenarios real quick:
A) We trade him for a player coming off an injury who will likely get injured again. The player will be over 30.
B) We’ll trade him for someone coming off a SSS season that fools Sabean into thinking we’re getting a top-notch player
C) We’ll package Cain with Bumgarner and Neal to acquire a power hitter who’s already hit 30 years old. We might get a reliever thrown into the deal as well.
Not sure I see any other alternatives for a Sabean trade. But no matter how you slice it, the Giants WILL get screwed by any Sabean trade.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t even read your post, but based on your first thought I can tell I’m going to agree with all your points. I made sure to say what I would do if I were running the Giants, not what I hope Sabean does…
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d think that if you would do it, you’d also hope Sabean would do it.
I just know we’ll get screwed if Sabes trades Cain.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in principle I hope Sabean would have the same decision-making process as myself. The reality is I know differently, so I have as much fear of Sabean getting fleeced by an old, high BA, low OBP piece of crap veteran instead of young player as you do. Basically, I think we should go find that player I suggested, but I think if Sabean goes and tries to find that player, he’ll end up with $.60 on the dollar, which changes how I feel about what the team “should” do.
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I have no faith in him anymore, I know most people here don’t either… I’m really honestly surprised that Neukom does have any faith in him.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So hire Oprah!
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 19, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha! No wait…
I don’t get it.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 19, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you see…
damn
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we have a macro for this
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by RDreamer on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’d bring back as much as Cain, but I keep thinking Wilson is the guy we should shop. His value/replacability is higher than Cain’s.
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by Goofus on Oct 19, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d also shop Wilson in addition to Cain this offseason. We have other good bullpen pieces. I just don’t know what he’d return…
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m right there with you on that one. I’ve been suggesting dangling Wilson for over a year now.
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by Roger on Oct 19, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been suggesting dangling Wilson for over a year now.
(I wouldn’t have mentioned that if I were you. That points not in your favor since a year of productive Wilson gave us a good player AND significantly raised his trade value)
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been suggesting waiting for Wilson to give us an extremely productive year and raise his trade value significantly and then dangling him in the trade market for well over a year now.
Fixed.
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by Roger on Oct 19, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d suggest dangling Bocock, but it’s hard
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by Goofus on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should’ve dangled Johnson before he got injured
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 20, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is sensitive. If we dangled him out there he could have froze up or worse, erupted.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Oct 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PENIS!!!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Sabes and Bochy handled Johnson gently and delicately. I’m sure if they had put Johnson out there, they would’ve only had the best in mind. Maybe we could’ve seen Johnson rise again in the postseason.
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 20, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this topic still alive?
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by CB30 on Oct 19, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So did you. Oops!
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 19, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I wasn’t curious as to why. I knew. I am the Extender General.
by FreshStart on Oct 20, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DUMB
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by satyricrash on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
holy shit, people are still making these threads?
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by bondslegend on Oct 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
voted other
Cain for Ryan Braun
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We win this trade in terms of sheer tonnage.
Otherwise, NTY, GTFO!
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by beat_la_25 on Oct 20, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats is the maximum weight capacity for the team plane?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Trade Cain for a fat first baseman?"
Those words from a previous post made me laugh for a week! And while Tony Bruno may not be “an expert” on all things baseball, I respect his opinion, which is that Fielder will eat his way to the AL within 3 years. But Bumgarner for Gonzalez… now that’s an interesting thought… and a deal I’d support.
Before the “trade away the future” crowd has a fit, remember… Gonzalez is a proven everyday player and Bumgarner is a “top prospect”. I do not… repeat do not… share Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum’s fascination with “veterans”, but I’ll trade a prospect any day for a 27 year-old first baseman who hits 40 HRs and 100 RBIs while playing half his games in a lousy hitters park.
by karl m on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the deal would likely take a lot more than just Bumgarner.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 21, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in July, when the Red Sox was interested in AGon…
Olney notes that a deal is probably still unlikely because of two major hurdles the Red Sox would have to overcome.
I. As Olney puts it the Padres would require an “enormous” package of prospects, very similar to what the Mariners gave up for Erik Bedard, said one NL talent evaluator.
II. Even if the Padres received a package that they deemed acceptable Padres ownership would still have to sign off on trading the 27-year-old superstar, which seems unlikely because Gonzalez is one of the cornerstones of the franchise.
The Padres have already tried to deal former Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy this year, and any attempt to move Gonzalez would likely infuriate the team’s fan base.
The Bedard trade: The Baltimore Orioles send LHP Erik Bedard to the Seattle Mariners for OF Adam Jones, LHPs George Sherrill and Tony Butler and RHPs Chris Tillman and Kam Mickolio.
That’s five players, people – two already in the bigs, two top 5 pitching prospects and 1 (I think) Thomas Neal-like hitting prospect.
by esseffgeez on Oct 21, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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