Carney Lansford Doesn't Think The Giants Have Good Hitters
by jasomack on Oct 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
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I wish more in the organization would tell it like it is.
Don't know if they knew his father-in-law was being buried a couple hours after they told him he was being fired, but a sick part of me wants another reason to be pissed off at this organization.
A real shame crime against humanity that he's the only one losing his job.
Eight more words please sign Nick Johnson. Please.
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Seconded.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Circus folk…small hands…smell like cabbage
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
by Mike Hawk on Oct 16, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying you like him to!
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by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
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by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
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by Zetsuboushita on Oct 16, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 17, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rxmeister doesn’t think the Giants’ have good hitters either.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still, I don’t know why everyone is giving the guy credit for “telling it like it is.” The dude was fired, and justifiably bitter about it. It’s not like he said this thing during the season.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, you're right.
I wish more in the organization wouldtell it like it isget fired.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Oct 16, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
fixed.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Oct 16, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s bitter but there are plenty of people who don’t say anything after they leave to preserve their rep and ability to get another job. There’s no way he’s saying that during the year, at least he is saying it now.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 16, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From reading Baggs and Schulman it certainly seems he did say these things and did so repeatedly. The quote he gave from Lansford on learning they’d acquired Sanchez (“good, at least somebody won’t strike out 185 times”) certainly suggests he was telling it like it is from day 1 to anybody who would listen.
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by Roger on Oct 16, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically, Sanchez has pretty bad plate discipline.
by San Francisco Slim on Oct 16, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
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by haverecords on Oct 16, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to the San Francisco Giants? The team that includes Bengie Molina, Edgar Renteria, Nate Schierholtz and Juan Uribe? No. He has great plate discipline compared to the team he was traded to.
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by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got about the same plate discipline as Uribe.
At elas from a BB and P/PA perspective. Sanchez may look better because he makes alot of contact, but the end result’s about the same.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also.
Plate discipline isn’t really Renteria’s problem, particularly when compared to the rest of the lineup. His problem is that he just can’t hit anymore.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job refuting my point. Tip of the cap. I was mostly just naming players whose offensive approach is offensive. The Giants have a lot of those. I didn’t realize Sanchez was the Uribe’s dopplegaenger at the plate, though. Very interesting.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he makes good contact, so it doesn’t matter too much. Pablo swings at EVERYTHING, but he’s a great hitter anyway. Of course, when Uribe gets ahold of one, man does it FLY.
by quincy0191 on Oct 16, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I have heard Carney calling out Giants hitters before, its not like this is a first. He said during the season that they weren’t listening to him and would ignore his game plans when the games started
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by TexasRanger on Oct 16, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the most frustrating thing about the situation was that the players rarely seemed to acknowledge that there was a problem. I think Bengie said something along the lines of “I’m a free swinger, that’s just how I am, can’t change that”.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 18, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not like he was quiet about it before.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 17, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me Shawon Dunston is not still around?
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can try to give him his walking papers, but that doesn't work on Shawon Dunston
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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't want to cheat the organization.
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by nvsfg on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear the Postal Service has openings.
by Giant Voodoo on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like nothing better.
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by groug on Oct 16, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he just sued the Cubs for tuition they owed him if he ever decided to attend college, so… there’s that.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants don’t have good hitters you say? Get out of town!
by DividedByZero on Oct 16, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Carney Lansford.
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by groug on Oct 16, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
^^ grougthink ^^
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by delorean on Oct 16, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pablo sandoval is a good hitter!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 16, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have good hitter
subtle difference
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 16, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"My only comment on the situational hitting is the first thing I was told when I took the job is it was atrocious. Did we work on that? More than you’ll ever know. They just didn’t get it done. We had meetings, we talked about the thought process, we talked about what pitch to look for."
Sounds to me like the Giants front office genuinely thinks situational hitting is the problem with the Giants offense. Not the fact that nobody on our team gets on base or hits for power, but the fact that we don’t “execute” well enough. Sigh.
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The joke of it all
Is that situational hitting means ZIPPO if no one is getting on base. The emperor is wearing no clothes, and Sabes and his minions keep admiring his fine threads anyway.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 16, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Situational hitting doesn’t mean a whole lot whether people get on base or not. It’s a losing strategy. So obviously it’s something Sabean wants to focus on.
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify, by “situational hitting”, are you talking about things like bunting and sacrifice flies?
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 18, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly sac flies and hitting ground balls to the right side of the infield with a guy on 2nd type stuff.
by Missing Barry on Oct 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Head of Sabean-metrics(tm) Research says...
“Got to swing to get on base. It is the only way.”
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to take advantage of wild pitch strikeouts more
Next season, we will lead the league in base-on-strikes!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, It Just Sounds Like The Giants Think Coaching At The MLB Level Can Improve Situational Hitting,
but they do not think a players hitting personality (free swinger or not) can be changed much with coaching at the MLB level.
Clearly both of these need to be worked on at the minor league level but I do agree with the Giants that good coaching at the MLB level can and should have a more positive effect on situational hitting then on an hitters personality
by giantsrainman on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team is going to have to take on a little different personality. As Boch pointed out to me at the end of the year, which makes sense, a lot of times when you have players like Pablo and Bengie who are free swingers, sometimes, especially with a younger team, or a team challenged to score a lot of runs, they’ll take on that personality. In a selfish way you’d like to find somebody who’s different from them who can calm things down or act in the middle of the order in a different way.
That doesn’t seem consistent with someone who thinks a hitters personality can’t be changed much at the MLB level?
I have yet to see any evidence that “situational hitting” is an actual skill, or that it actually improves a teams chances to win games. Now, that doesn’t mean neither of these things are true, just that nobody has found evidence they are. Without evidence that something exists or helps in any way….why would that be the point of emphasis for a hitting coach?
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Difference Between What Coaches Can Influence When And What Teammates Can Influence When.
by giantsrainman on Oct 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Care to go more in depth as to why you would believe this?
by Missing Barry on Oct 20, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the fact that nobody on our team gets on baseor hits for power, but the fact that we don’t "execute" well enough.Sigh.
You really could have just stopped there.
/depressed
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by nvsfg on Oct 16, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lansford appears to have a better idea of the Giants’ offensive talent than Sabean.
Bochy is an offensive idiot, but Sabean needs to be fired. Sad.
by San Francisco Slim on Oct 16, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moot now, and for a long time
So, I say we all embrace the idiocy. Long live aggressive hitters who need to improve their situational hitting!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, yes
It is just that that the case of firing Lansford sadly illustrates the folly of this organization in so many ways.
That we didn’t make the playoffs because of Lansford’s bad attitude (wasn’t as easy going as Boch : – ), etc.. ), and not because of systemic problems with management and player development.
Neukom is an idiot, or at least is pretending to be.
by San Francisco Slim on Oct 16, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to be able to situationally hit 40% of the time as opposed to the 35% of the time that the other teams do it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really need more situations in which to hit.
practice makes perfect.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You don’t have to read between the lines to carefully to realize that Bochy and Lansford didn’t get along to well.
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by Goofus on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Telling the guy 2 hours before the funeral of his wife’s dad is pretty darn duchie as well. It gives me the feeling he was trying to tell the Emperor he was naked and neither the Emperor nor the top advisors thought well of it. Either way it is bad sign for us.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are there two references to The Emperor’s New Clothes in the same thread?
by quincy0191 on Oct 16, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which...
Hey guys, I just bought an awesome new outfit. It’s warm, without being heavy. The fabric breathes like you wouldn’t believe. I have complete mobility. It looks great AND it’s slimming! I want to show you all. I’ll be posting pics later.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s an All-American line-backer.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call the NCAA
I smell an inappropriate gift.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it come in Orange & Black instead of halo red?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect for those chilly Halloween evenings
when you feel like dressing up as a Franciscan friar.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Oct 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the emperor is wearing nothing but a bowtie.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Oct 17, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have loved to see Lansford’s face on those at bats where Nate Schierholtz swung and missed pitches that hit him.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He obviously knows the problems but he didn’t have much of an impact toward resolving them. It’s possible his methods of teaching didn’t go over well with the players as well as Bochy.
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by ResDog on Oct 16, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is the players suck and are past the point where there’s much they can change about the way they hit. Lansford, very understandably, realizes he’s the scapegoat for a problem that’s really caused by Brian Sabean acquiring shitty hitters and is frustrated about it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s more than likely. I just wanted to throw it out there that Lansford really might not have been the best teacher, regardless if any good teacher could have reached this group. He’s pointing out a flaw that most baseball fans can find. That doesn’t mean he’s a good hitting coach.
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by ResDog on Oct 16, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please no shawon dunston
shawon dunston once hit a homerun…from the on deck circle
shawon dunston can successfully execute the hit and run, with nobody on base
shawon dunston thinks a “base on balls” is a homoerotic sexual position
shawon dunston thinks that “team ops” is an online first person shooter
god, i could go on like this forever
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by Headhunter Rollins on Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Guys at the big league level, by the time they get there, should know how to do that stuff – move runners, get a guy home from third with less than two outs. If guys are learning that at the big league level, it’s too late. A major league player should not be as poor at it as we were in my two years.”
Now where’s that clown that wants to know why veterans can’t be fixed?
oh.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 16, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
That the Giants’ hitting prospects are #7/8 hitters in the majors, but were #3/4 hitters in the minors.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand Rudy Jaramillo is now available…..
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 16, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please please please!
How about a hitter or three while they’re at it?
I don’t know where they’re going to find hitters for next season if they’re intent on not starting Posey (which is, by every indication, their intent – fucking wasted pre-arb years), but Sabean actually needs to sign Holliday if he wants to keep his job. That is scary.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be nice
but seriously, how much of an effect will he have on establishes hackers?
by sfoakbay on Oct 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants supposedly have no interest in Jaramillo. I read he’s already interviewed with the Cubs.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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not surprising
by sfoakbay on Oct 17, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Because 7/8ths of our lineup was terrible?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This team just went 0-16 and then fired the kicker.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Oct 16, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad example.
The kicker actually has an impact on his team’s record.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
0-16 and fired..... the special assistant to the punting coach?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Oct 16, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt Lansford only here for 1 year?? they prob rehire that turd Lefebvre now….
by grako on Oct 18, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 years
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sitting in an internet cafe in Rome and I am pissed that two clowns got extensions and the one guy who saw and clearly expressed the truth is gone… something is seriously wrong with me. Of course, as soon as I got here, the first thing I saw is Dave Roberts and Rich Aurilia at the baggage claim, so it’s like I’m being haunted by bad omens.
I am going to go eat another incredible dinner now and forget all about the goddamn Giants.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the comma after the word “Think” in your title.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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