About Molina
by Walter Guest on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT
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About Molina:
Some naughty children on the internet have been foaming at their dirty mouths about the season Bengie Molina just had. They don’t understand that he was one of the most valuable Giants this season. The Giants were a pitching and defense team. Molina was the cornerstone of that team. He was the leader in the clubhouse and on the field. Everyone looked to him. The children are distraught that he didn’t lead a prime offense also. Like most children, they want everything.
Molina’s time is now over. He was a cancer on the offense. Even Sabean noted that some of the players might be copying Molina’s undisciplined approach at the plate. If the Giants are to move forward they must cut ties to Molina. It would be wrong to keep him even in a part-time role.
So how will his loss affect the Giants in 2010? The chemistry of the team will change, most likely for the worse because they had excellent team spirit this year. With Winn also leaving, the defense will be worse but it also was at a high level this year. No doubt the pitching will decline from the excellent level of this year. Ah but the hitting will improve, perhaps a great deal. The cancer will be removed. Will it improve enough to make up for the losses in the other departments? Probably not. It would have to improve a great deal to match the 88 wins of this season. 2010 will be a true rebuilding year, changing from an all pitching and defense team to one with more balance.
It will be interesting.
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I can’t tell if this is a post saying we need to bring Bengie (and apparently Winn?) back despite what the “children” say or if this is a post saying we need to move on or if this post is actually saying anything at all.
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by jponry on Oct 15, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina really isn’t that good of a defender and whatever intangibles he brings to the table are far outweighed by his horrendous offense.
Also, he was a big crybaby that refused to make adjustments on offense. He created the impression that he wouldn’t play hurt b/c it was a contract year…until Posey got here, that is. How that makes him a clubhouse leader, is beyond me. Other leaders will emerge anyway.
In any event, Lincecum and Cain and Sanchez won’t suck in 2010 b/c Molina isn’t there. Posey, who should start, will be significantly better than Molina. he may not be a clubhouse leader in his first year, but eventually he will be b/c he’ll be a stud.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants aren’t a building, weighing the most doesn’t make you the cornerstone.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
also, I’m sure his teammates will miss him in the clubhouse, but they’ll get over it very quickly.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially when there’s food left and they don’t have to starve.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Oct 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chronic malnutrition would certainly explain the lineup’s power outage.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 15, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy is going to look like CC when Bengie leaves
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by The Thrill on Oct 15, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably tire of the season from picking up the tissues he cries in to
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by say hey nation on Oct 16, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by natteringnabob on Oct 15, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guest pass revoked.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 15, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your first paragraph. I agree with parts of your second paragraph.
But mostly I just disagree with your use of the extra space between sentences.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m a one-spacer, too. I had an english teacher once who “required” two spaces. At first I thought I would forget and have to go through and add a ton of spaces. Then I remembered the magic of the replace function.
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by raisingcain on Oct 15, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throughout college, I was always taught that you need to put two spaces after periods.
by deuce deuce on Oct 15, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was taught that it was a good way to get an extra half page out of a term paper.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 15, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 15, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either is acceptable. Microsoft Word’s grammar check function can be set to check for either double or single spaces depending on what your preference is.
by Missing Barry on Oct 15, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not trust MS Word. The MS Word dictionary doesn’t recognize bachelorette as a word. Meanwhile, it has a ton of flat out misspelling programmed in. For instance: it believes that knowledgably is a word. Oops.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your college teachers were dumb, then. The two spaces thing is archaic, stylistically absurd, and forces you to do more work that will inevitably suffer from inconsistent use.
It makes no sense. Most style guides don’t recognize it anymore. It only even ever existed because of technological limitations with early typing machines. Does that apply anymore? No.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I never saw the point in it. They fed us some bogus reasoning as well which I can’t even recall at this point.
by deuce deuce on Oct 15, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer two spaces. I like the way it looks. I think we both know how ridiculous the “more work” argument is…
by Missing Barry on Oct 15, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it’s not really more work. I’d bet dollars to cents, though, that for every ten sentences you double space, you get at least one that slips in single spaced. It’s an absurd rule based on a need that hasn’t applied to printing in more than 20 years. I think it’s time to say goodbye.
I won’t argue that you think it looks better. But I think that people are inclined to think that the way they do something looks better to begin with. For instance, I’m a fan of the serial comma, and I’ve always used the serial comma, and I think that the reasoning for using the serial comma is more sound than the reasoning for not using it. And I used to like the way the serial comma looks more.
But at my editing job, our house style is to only use the serial comma when clarity is a serious issue. As a result, I see 100 sentences a day where I have to actively look for no serial comma. I write 100 sentences a day where I have to omit the serial comma. Now, I actually think sentences look better without it. Because that’s what I’m used to seeing. But I know that not using it is wrong, and I know the second I leave this job and start using it regularly again that I’ll start to like the way it looks again.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I agree, I just don’t see any real reason to stop it. I also don’t consider it a rule as much as just a personal preference. It’s not like I’m upset or anything if I ever miss it (though I do think I miss it far less often than you’d expect).
by Missing Barry on Oct 15, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that’s perfectly reasonable, and I don’t begrudge you your preferences. You’d probably be surprised by how many times I’ve been argued about it by people who honestly believe that it’s a requirement and that it’s how things need to be to be correct. I think I was responding far more to those people than you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d agree that those people are unreasonable. I gave it some more thought, and I realized I basically never miss double spacing my sentences. You’d be surprised – as I pointed out earlier MS Word can check for it if you set it to (which I have) and I easily go whole papers without making the mistake once. Once it’s a habit it’s pretty easy to get right…
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this site and it’s in-depth discussions of grammar, syntax, and usage. I especially enjoy any discussion over serial commas.
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by cornball on Oct 18, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But mostly I just disagree with your use of the extra space between sentences.
Holes in his argument?
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by bgunn on Oct 16, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this post sarcastic?
i cant really tell
by sfoakbay on Oct 15, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They don’t understand that he was one of the most valuable Giants this season.
Now Walter, I know you post on Fangraphs a bit, so I think you’ll appreciate what I’m about to do. Just going strictly by WAR (which has it’s issues, but we’ll ignore that for now), Giants who were more valuable than Molina: Tim Lincecum. Matt Cain. Brian Wilson. Barry Zito. Jonathan Sanchez. Pablo Sandoval. Juan Uribe. Andres Torres. Aaron Rowand. Randy Winn.
by Missing Barry on Oct 15, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina was terrible offensively, plus that fool wants a whole truckload of money for mediocre hitting and decent defense. Besides the fact that he can barely make it to first on a single hes ok at best.
please giants...don't make me cry like I did in 02....
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by sanfrankid on Oct 15, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if only he gave us just mediocre hitting.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem
is that if he is on the roster again Botchy will write his name in the fourth slot on the lineup card 140 times.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 15, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was the leader in the clubhouse
Really? Can I borrow your clubhouse pass?
I am still trying to figure out what the point of this post is
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 15, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Take a Giant Swoop and Go?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have my sign.
Hell no, Bengie must go!
Don’t get too cozy, and
lets play Posey
Perhaps when Bengie bats, we need a wider
home plate, and a much bigger bat.
by bradleybear on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Is Wrong With So Many Of You?
Can’t you recognize when someone is basicly agreeing with you?
The author is saying that even though Bengie helped the Giants win 88 games in 2009 keeping him for for 2010 would be a mistake becuase it would block the Giants from making the improvements then need to make to get beyond 88 wins. The author is saying the Gaints need to walk away from Bengie’s leadership if they are going to start drawing more walks. The author is saying the Giants need to let Molina go even if doing so results in some regression for the Giants pitching and defense in 2010 that results in fewer wins in 2010.
Why are so many of you bitching about this? This meaning should be pretty clear to anyone that actually bothered to read with an effort to understand what that author wrote.
by giantsrainman on Oct 15, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really, its so obvious that it is odd to see that it was actually posted.
Bye bye Bengie, Bengie Bye bye!
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by bradleybear on Oct 15, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I only openly disagreed with two things in the post.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL man
Loosen up, I don’t think people were being THAT serious with disagreeing the poster (who seems to have just done a hit-and-run).
BTW the pitching and defense are most likely going to regress anyway.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Oct 16, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was just bizarre to start that out with stuff like, “The children are distraught that he didn’t lead a prime offense also. Like most children, they want everything.”
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by jponry on Oct 16, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree it Was a little Bizarre.
That siad, it wasn’t hard to understand if you read the whole piece and figured out the context before you came to any conclusions on the meaning of the opening paragraph.
by giantsrainman on Oct 16, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but don’t forget style is meaning, too.
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by Roger on Oct 16, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Form is meaning as well.
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by cornball on Oct 18, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the Way, Bizarre Is Nice From Time To Time As It Does Tend To Eliminate Bordom.
by giantsrainman on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re already pretty bizarre on our own.
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by Natto on Oct 16, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man whe GRM has to clarify your post, you know you are in a bad spot
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by say hey nation on Oct 16, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, and what if we still have disagreements after your clarification? I personally disagree on things like how much Bengie contributed to the Giants winning 88 games, how much “leadership” he provides (and even if he did, how much that impacts how many games the Giants won), that Bengie leaving will cause any regression in the Giants pitching and defense (as baetown pointed out they’re likely to regress whether Bengie leaves or stays)….
Agreeing with the point that we don’t need Bengie back doesn’t mean we agree with every point in the post…. :)
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No “mo” Bengie, please.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pablo catching makes this team better how?
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by cornball on Oct 18, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A decent hitting corner infielder shouldn’t be too difficult to find for a competent GM?
by Missing Barry on Oct 18, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but how does that make this team better?
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by groug on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Oct 16, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Bengie Molina was NOT a bad offensive player in 2009.
.442 SLG from a catcher is legitimately good (3rd in the league) and his bat would play on several teams despite the poor OBP.
He’s just not good enough pay $6M when our top prospect plays the same position. (I hope)
by sfmaynard on Oct 16, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that his SLG is the only decent aspect of his offense, and even then it’s not that great. Sure, you’d be able to mask that production in a lineup like that of the Yankees or Phillies, but it’s still rather poor overall for any position player, even at catcher.
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by Natto on Oct 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. 45 C’s got 200+ PA’s this season. Bengie Molina was the 25th best hitter of that group this season (going by wOBA, which is a better stat than OBP, SLG or OPS). He was a bad offensive player in 2009. That’s a fact.
by Missing Barry on Oct 18, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction is that the Giants sign Jose Molina and the Yankees sign Bengie Molina, so we’ll be swapping Molinas
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