The Giants and Carney Lansford
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 14, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
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PrintI don’t want to alarm you, but I’m about to take a bold position. I’m about to write something that challenges everything you think you know about the San Francisco Giants.
Ladies and gentlemen, what I am about to suggest will shake the very foundations of biology and taxonomy as we know them.
The Giants did not have a very good offense this season. They did not have a very good offense last season. They have not had a good offense in many moons.
Reptiles, as we know, are cold-blooded creatures. Some of them have scales; others have forked tongues.
I propose that the San Francisco Giants get a new hitting coach.
I propose that the common cow, Bos primigenius, is not a reptile at all. In fact, I submit that the common cow is actually…a mammal!
There are three possible scenarios with Carney Lansford, the current hitting coach.
- He doesn’t know how to make bad hitters into good hitters, where another coach might.
- He does know how to help the Giants’ offense, but he is unable to communicate his point effectively, or he is not listened to.
- Hitting coaches, for the most part, can’t make vinegar into wine. They can’t turn Billy Ripken into Cal Ripken with a few suggestions, a new grip, or after watching several hundred hours of video.
My theory is based on the following:1. Cows give birth to live young. They are not hatched from eggs. I have detailed documentation on this fact if you would like to discuss this further after the lecture.
2. Cows have hair. Mammals have hair. Reptiles do not have hair. I challenge the old guard, cows-as-reptile orthodoxy to explain that one!
3. Udders! Udders, people! Think about the ramifications! They produce milk, which is certainly something heretofore that reptiles have not been able to do.
Therefore, there is no risk in trying a new hitting coach. Heck, even Lansford doesn’t expect to be back.
I’m pretty sure that cows aren’t reptiles, but please keep your dissent until the question-and-answer period at the end of the lecture
"We wanted him to be somewhat more patient at the plate, and somewhat less aggressive on balls out of the zone, and he’s done a great job." – Hensley Meulens, Fresno Grizzlies hitting coach,on John Bowker
Bowker in 2007: 41 walks in 587 plate appearances. Bowker in 2008: 26 walks in 452 plate appearances. Bowker after working with Meulens in 2009: 78 walks in 523 plate appearances. Sold. Here’s a three-year deal, Hensley.
I don’t have any other ideas or suggestions for the spot, so I’ll be thrilled with Meulens. Can’t hurt. Heck, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen a Giants farmhand significantly improve his plate discipline.
Comment starter: Vigorous refutation of my shocking claim that the Giants should hire a new hitting coach. Also, If you have any other ideas as to who should fill the slot, that would do nicely too.
I leave with this rhetorical question, to be used as fodder for a post-lecture discussion: Would steak be as delicious if it came from a reptile? I submit that it would not. Thank you, and good night.
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I don’t think Carney is to blame for the hitting woes but I’d like to see them give Meulens a chance anyway.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I don’t think he is either. Remember when we had that awful pitching staff, and everyone was screaming about how Righetti was the worst pitching coach ever and he should totally be fired? And now we’ve got a great pitching staff and everyone is screaming about how Righetti is the greatest pitching coach ever? I think this is working along those lines.
I was always pretty okay with Righetti.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
I’ve never liked him very much (I think our current success has got very little to do with him) I just think that coaches typically have very little impact, and replacing Lansford is a symbolic move more than anything. I’m not saying don’t do it (like I said, I don’t think it’ll matter), but this seems to suspiciously emulate that situation. Given how Righetti is now revered by the casual fan for his supposed success, I think Lansford’s just a scapegoat for the failure of Sabes and Bork.
ME TOO!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That is true.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
DONT CHANGE WHAT WORKED LOL
BORK BORK BORK
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
I want him back because I’m not sure I ever made a Carney Wilson reference at his expense, and I’d like to have another chance to do that.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
On the other hand, think how awesome it would be to have a coach nicknamed Bam Bam.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Apparently.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That is tricky. I don’t trust it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Meulens would serve best wherever the young players are getting a lot of starts to practice what he’s teaching them. If it’s in San Francisco, then “Yay!”. If it’s in Fresno, let him stay there. He can’t fix our veterans.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 14, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why can't veterans be fixed?
And no neutering jokes , please. This is one of those mysteries we at Frankenstudios puzzle over , along with “won’t hit well because of his his position” and “the catcher’s bad pitchcalling”.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 14, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the old saying “A leopard can’t change it’s spots”?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Ouch. I see therm all.
damn proofreader failYOU’RE FIRED
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 14, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll just stop. Sheesh.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 14, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I am big believer in motivation or incentive.
If a person’s playing time is not at stake most people will not feel inclined to try and correct a bad habit ( if they even know it is a bad habit instead of a higher up just ragging on them). A rookie you can ship back to Fresno, or lower, that does keeps doing the wrong thing a veteran you can only reduce their playing time or hope is released. This current Manger & Gm refuses to use the DL much less have the “intestinal fortitude” (aka grit ,sand, or balls) those 2 things so there is not much of a chance a mostly healthy veteran will get "fixed".
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
I’m pretty sure that cows are plants.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Oct 14, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
so is McDonald's
delicious beef fat fried fries FTW
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m okay with giving someone else a shot as long as that someone else isn’t Shawon.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 14, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
Cliff Claven?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Would steak be as delicious if it came from a reptile?
I actually grew up with someone who liked eating Snake more than steak.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sneak really is the better of the three.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm… why isn’t steak pronounced “Steek”?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Why isn’t it spelled “Stake?” Then it would have Vampire killing properties. You could also use red meat to pitch a tent.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Oct 14, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I could pitch a tent in my sleep. Like, three or four times a night.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank god for red meat, and reptiles for that matter.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Oct 14, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a curious reply to Howie’s pitch-a-tent post.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I’m like a magnet for curious replies in this thread.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s our new hitting coach!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I said curious replies, not gross replies. Blech.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Curious?
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You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
what is this carlton chronicles crap. I don’t get it
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by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions
His nickname was “Bam Bam.” That’s good enough for me. Sign him up now!
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
or
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
HE WILL BEAT YOU< BUT HES GONNA CRY DOIN IT
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by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now Carney is on a beach somewhere in slacks and a sports coat.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
Shawon Dunston is there with some acid wash blue jeans, a white blouse and a vest
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
We used to call him ’Won ’Ton. \lonely tear
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there any way in hell
that if Carney is fired Dunston doesn’t get the job? I mean, seriously? Like I’m actually asking that, because there is no way he doesn’t get the job
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That’s what scares me about the Giants firing Carney is that they wouldn’t look for a real replacement, they would just promote Shawon.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
the funny part
is that in the Grand Irony that is the San Francisco Giants, they would suddenly and for no reason improve their offense for 2010. Including increasing their walk rate. Dunston = Genius, and we are stuck with him for 10 more years.
In 2011 the new found patience evaporates.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Someday somebody’s gonna make you want to turn around and say, “ball four.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
’til then, baby, are you gonna let them hold you down and make you cry?
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
I’m all for getting a new hitting coach, just have a couple questions about Meulens…
How long was he coaching down in AAA?
Have there been other instances besides Bowker of guys having a better approach under Meulens?
And this one isn’t directly about Meulens, but like I doubt Carney would tell Bowker to change his approach after coming up to the big team…so is it just Bowker going back to old ways? Do players always need that constant reminding to take a fucking pitch?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
What about this Carney?
(Ralph)
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
/golf clap
and that approach is better than some I’ve seen from Giants hitters this past season
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 14, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I know the count’s 3-0
But if you hold on for one more pitch you
Might draw a walk
Yeah I know there is pain
But you hold on for one more pitch and you
Might, you might get on base
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
I wonder how much of the Giants offense problems lie in the fact that guys like Bowker, Garko, Panda might feel like if they take a walk, they gotta be thinking, “Who the fuck is going to drive me in? I better get a dinger here”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I think you got the meter wrong.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Dunston as the Giants hitting coach: Crash and Burn
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
I like the look back at the end, like “How could that possibly have gone wrong?”
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
/faceplant
/facepalm
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 14, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No Meulens...
…sounds like the vegan breakfast cereal of hitting.
‘Sides, that just makes for a vacancy at AAA when we have a bunch of flawed yet bitchin’ prospects a-playing. I don’t see how this choice should come from within the org, period.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions
Mmm… Bacon O’s.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Chocolate covered bacon bar
Tried one at LillieBelle Chocolates in Central Point, OR, a few days ago.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
AND???
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As explained by a co-worker once...
Most Nestle/Kelloggs products have whey, which is a milk by-product, so i.e. not vegan. Muesli is vegan.
Meulens, I suspect…NOT vegan.
A most proper break-down...
He’s definitely the weakest Bam-Bam. Eva. I know it’s not fair, but I just looked at his player stats…harrumph.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And all of the best position coaches were great players?
WTF
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
not even
some, maybe, but certainly not “most.”
As the resident vegan of this community, I demand a retraction.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Giants’ plate discipiline was packaged in a facility with dairy and tree-nut products.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re just mad that you can’t eat your Steako Crisp any more.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I think there is a culture or peer pressure on the Giants that could cause young players to be less selective at the plate. Some of that could come from coaches like Shawon but I also imagine that the example set by all the veterans can really influence the young players: Bengie, Uribe, Rowand, Winn – all hackers. A coach can change a players approach at the Major league level but that would probably require a club wide culture-changing dedication to plate discipline and that’s not going to happen under Sabean.
chilibean_3 says: Cybermaldonado, "I don’t think you understand anything. Anything at all." Stay classy chilibean my friend.
Boggles my mind how the Giants continue to hack while getting beat by teams that don’t hack
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
That's funny...
They went 88-74. Shouldn’t that mean other teams shoud emulate us? I bet the Pirates and Royals would love to be where we are right now.
Neukom: sign up Sabean for another two years!
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s tough to emulate “be very lucky,” though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, we finishes 12 games above .500, but the teams who were at another level (in the playoffs) aren’t hackers like us and take some walks
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Though technically
it isn’t “14” games, because if we’d lost 14 more games we wouldn’t be .500, we’d be “14” games UNDER .500.
Or something
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I am sure that has nothiing to do with onced ina generation, or two, starting pitching and very solid defense. It all has to do with swinging at more pitches than they take. Which in turn means letting the pitcher dictate almost everything in a P.A.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
They should try to emulate the good parts of our team, not the bad parts.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I bet if they let Carney use a cattle prod, he’d get results.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
it’s a simple matter of voltage.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Oct 14, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m shocked you would suggest that…watt’s wrong with you?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
This tangent isn’t proving very conductive to answering Grant’s question, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's let Meulens run things Faraday.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the only way it works is if he makes everyone more patient so Bochy has no choice but to play the patient hitters. I base this on the fact that the guy with the 2nd highest OBP didn’t start a game during the last month and the player you are talking about started even less although he dominated AAA and posted a crazy OBP down there.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 14, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
“Batting 4th and catching, #1 BENNNGIE MOOOOOOLINAA!!!!!!!!!!”
and that’s April 2010.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
/ bangs head on desk to numb the pain your post causes.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Barry Lamar Bonds - Home Run King/Hitting Consultant.
It cant hurt to have THE MAN tell you whats wrong with your hitting approach, what to look for, how to spot it etc…
+1
Time for him to earn his consulting assistant to President whatever role he’s suppose to take on after he retires.
Neukom: sign up Sabean for another two years!
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Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
P'Shaw...
BLB’s already on record saying he doesn’t want to mess with non one’s paydaaay.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
great player =/= great coach. Guys like Bonds and Jerry Rice are so great naturally that it’s tough for them to teach that to others, since they’re starting on such a higher level.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
yea, i kinda agree with this, just because you were a great player does not mean you’re a great coach, some of that is just them being great naturally
I think BLB was such a student of the game that he would be able to help people out. I don’t think BLB was 100% Naturally good I think he had and did work really hard at improving himself.
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by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, the best example I can think of its Wayne Gretzky, arguably the greatest hockey player ever, was the crappiest coach I’ve ever seen in Phoenix, no semblance of a system, it seemed like he told them, “Go be like me” and when they weren’t his head blew up. That is entirely possible with Barry as a coach.
bingo
the best coaches were mediocre players, because they had to maximize their limited potential just to be on the field, so they’d know how to get the most possible out of others
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Bengie Molina has mastered the art of combining the two.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait… I guess he doesn’t have that much discipline when it comes to food plates either. The logic behind my joke is faulty.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hope we replace him with somebody whose last name is Phillips.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
JR?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Step 1: Don’t swing at pitches in the dirt.
Step 2: Don’t swing at pitches that almost hit you
Step 3: Don’t swing at pitches that DO hit you
Step 4: If a pitcher’s fastball is in the 83-86MPH range and his offspeed stuff is pedestrian at best, don’t get intimidated by them. I swear, those guys are most definitely beat-able.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Please note the serious-business bangs on Carney Wilson of Wilson Phillips. Gamer! Problems solved.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you definitely succeeded in making those words bold.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
tee hee, I meant to elucidate the magic of Carney-Phillips, Cause of & Solution to All Giants Woe
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, like, people are going to say, you know, “What did he eat? Wilson Phillips?” She’s not fat anymore, but there’s three of them.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Maybe they’ve been hired as Pablo’s dieticians. Please, lord. Ooh, throw in Fergie, Kirstie Alley, Star Jones and Jazzercise memberships and they can do a whole infield fat-camp!
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 14, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't Hurt
since Lansford either isn’t doing a good job or simply isn’t being listened to…though what would really make me happy is if Dunston was not asked back.
What was Dunston’s responsibility this season? I didnt hear much when he was hired on.
It seems like he was just there one day, and hung around till the season ended.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I think he was the infield coach.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Another suggestion of Giants pedigree
Another person I would suggest instead is someone with Giants history: Jack Clark. He took a lot of walks while being one of the most aggressive hitters of his era. If our hitters could tap just a part of his “Jack the Ripper” mojo, we could have runs galore.
The only caveat I would note is that he went from a very disciplined swinger at the start of his career to a free swinger by the end, though he at least increased his number of walks as well. Still, he was a run producer who also got on base a lot as well.
Neukom: sign up Sabean for another two years!
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Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 14, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
Apparently he’s a college baseball manager.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Rangers hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo isn’t coming back, and is generally well-regarded. I mention it, knowing full well that nothing is going to happen with Lansford, and not knowing how much Lansford is to blame for our suckage.
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
you win
If the powers that be are happy with the Brain and Bork Show, why would anything else change? I guess the question is whether the Doorknobic Duo threw Carney under the bus, or whether they claimed that this was just year one of the big offensive rebuild, and that another whole year of Carney will be much better…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Will Clark if he wants it?? (Note: i doubt he does due to a son with autism).
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Happy 20th Anniversary
(Check the timestamp.)
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
So it was.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
On the plus side (?), it is the 20th anniversary of Game One of the World Series. Apparently, the National Anthem was performed by something called “The Wiffenpoofs.”
Also, I had this magazine when I was a kid – I wonder what happened to it:
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
It's amazing to think about
Game one of the world series on October 14th. We haven’t even started either LCS, yet.
The baseball Satanist
The world series is at least going into Nov this year (game 4 is Nov. 1st)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Derek Jeter
MR NOVEMBER
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LOL
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
The last Giants World Series title ended on October 2, 1954.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
The Whiffenpoofs are a male a capella choir from Yale University. In fact, they’re the oldest such group in the U.S., turning 100 this year. They were selected to perform at Game One as a tribute to Bart Giamatti, who died a month-and-a-half before the series commenced. He was the president of Yale from 1978 to ’86.
Weren’t they the people involved in that controversial murder? beating? thing that took place in SF a few years back? or was that some other group?
that was them
Yale nerd throwdown with the Riordan High homeboys
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The incident happened not too far from where I live.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Wow, its amazing how the WS just keeps getting pushed back
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
weather permitting
If the series (hopefully) ends up in NY and Phila, who knows how long it will take them to finish… maybe we’ll be able to watch the WS instead of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Oct 15, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
7 years ago today
That was memorable.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200210140.shtml
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Renteria, Metheny, and Morris
for the Redbirds
by SnowLeopard on Oct 15, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That dude Metheny was dope.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
what, home runs and rbi don’t count anymore?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 15, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
IT’S A DRUG PUN! PEOPLES ALWAYS TAKING ME SERIOUSLY AND I DON’T KNOW WHY!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Metheny will get you through times of no Money better
than Money will get you through times of no Metheny.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
SPEED
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
http://www.olliefu.com/img/giants_win.wmv
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I really hated how the put the press in the bleachers. I sat in the bleachers for the WS and it look empty.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You know
I saw recently that the official 2002 World Series DVD can be had used for $3 + s&h on Amazon. I’m actually considering it. For all the pain, there are some things I’d LIKE to relive.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
So, I’m crazy, right?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
You could watch up to the 5th inning of game six and then break the dvds
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 14, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the next time they show game 6 on MLB network or where-ever, we should have a game day thread, and all watch it together, maybe we could exorcise some demons… or at least stop cringing in fear anytime someone mentions the 2002.
I don’t have the MLB Network, though. :(
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
I’ve watched game 6 on MLB up until it’s 5-0. I quit right there. If the Giants ever win the World Series, I will watch the entire game to the 6-5 loss.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I recorded over all my VCR tapes but time has passed.
I’d like to rewatch some of the other games, where mo was still with us. I don’t have a television, where might I be able to go to get them?
I didn’t think MLB.com had postseason archives available in the package.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 14, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve thought about it too.
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Kenny Lofton's NLCS winner
re-affirmed my faith in humanity. So yeah, there are some things to remember. But mostly it sucked.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Also
i still remember lying in bed and hearing my dad go “WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!” from downstairs after Santiago’s HR, then running downstairs and finishing the game. Fuck school.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Reading some of the reviews is painful.
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ACCEPT IT, PEOPLE!! IT HAPPENED!!!
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I’m with Natto. I’m tired of the denials now even in jest.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
But denial is jest a river in Egypt.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
TOM FUCKING GOODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!
www.leaguelineup.com/lbucks24
by NuschlerFace on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude you are fuckin banned
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I still remember watching
I was playing “agressive inline” at the same time. So random. I watched the whole post-game too. God I was pissed.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
And I was only 14!
If only I had McC to swear on :’(
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
haha, dude, i’m pretty sure you’d be banned with the amount of swearing going on… in fact, that’s how i felt during the niners giants game 2002 playoffs, i was playing a video game with the door closed when they were down… then i switched to the game, they were coming back, so i kept playing and sure enough i heard a bunch of people screaming outside, and i turned it back and Ty Streets scored
Such a great game
I turned the TV off after 38-14, but had Starkey on. I turned the TV on after Garcia ran it in, and just couldn’t believe it
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Bengie’s got bungie
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 15, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
That was 7 years and a hundred pounds ago
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This whole 2002 got canceled meme is getting out of hand.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially since it’s been SIX years without a playoff appearance. With the way the Giants run that team, we will HOPE that we could blow another World Series soon.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
OT: World Cup
Is there really no SBN World Cup blog? Or am I just not looking in the right place. I see 2 blogs, neither of them with anything going on at the moment.
Global Futbol is the closest I have found. It deals more with the Premier League but there is some International stuff on there too. It isn’t very active though.
I want me some Buster
SBN is lacking in the soccer blogz. But it probably just has to do with demand.
Even so – I WANT MY EARTHQUAKES BLOG DARNIT
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He has to make quality posts SOMEWHERE, doesn’t he?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I want an Earthquakes blog that people might read, darnit!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as it’s in blog form.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You could call it WalrusMan!
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Not many people around nowadays will get this.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I’d do it. But it’d have to be European/ World soccer… I know next to nothing about MLS
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 15, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That probably gives you better than replacement level knowledge of MLS.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
OT
Anyone try and go across the Bay Bridge during the afternoon?? It looked like a parking lot after that truck flipped on it’s side.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
A KRON 4 reporter said it took about an hour and half to go 5 car lengths.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings