Surviving the Offseason
by Grant on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM PDT
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It begins.
Jason Bay, LF, Red Sox - Could he wind up in the City by the Bay? Giants GM Brian Sabean is looking for a big bat and will spend for someone like Bay or Holliday.
...is a standard player-meets-team-with-need-and-money kind of speculation. Even Peter King is about to write an article about the Giants' need for Bay or Holliday. But then that turns into this:
...and the accompanying story reads:
The San Francisco Giants want to add a player with a big bat this off-season and the word is that the Boston Red Sox's Jason Bay will be the prime target, according to the Boston Globe.The Giants, who've needed a big offensive threat ever since Barry Bonds receded into the fog, are apparently ready to open their wallet for a fella like Bay or Matt Holliday, both of whom will be free agents soon enough.
Naturally, that leads to this:
Jason Bay just called my friend, who works in real estate, and asked if there were any "bazillion-dollar homes for sale in the Bay Area." Bay then said, "Yeah, I'm specifically looking for a bazillion-dollar home because the Giants are going to offer me two bazillion dollars, and then I'll have a bazillion left over."
That last source was impeccable, so I'm spending my time thinking of witty headlines. "Jason comes to Fog City!" "City by the Jason!" Something like that.
I hate the offseason. I mean, I love it because I'm a chronic rosterbator. I love the Rule 5 draft. I love the Winter Meetings. But I hate the post-Zito offseason focus on the Giants and whoever is the top free agent.
C.C. Sabathia hometown discount could hometown discount his way to rotation of all-time with the Giants? Sabathia hometown Vallejo with power stuff and pitcher's ballpark hometown discount with Giants interested, even though the last time Barry Zito worst signing of all-time, Vallejo could hometown a discount into the picture. Don't count the Giants out.
Man, I'm not looking forward to that again. But it's already starting, and we aren't out of the first round of the playoffs yet.
Bay and Holliday.
Holliday and Bay.
Should the Giants? Could the Giants? Would the Giants? Opinion one way. Counterargument the other way. Graph with payroll figures. Comment from someone dry-humping UZR numbers. Rebuttal from someone still using RBI and batting average. Holliday! Bay! Should the Giants? Could the Giants? Would the Giants?
Comment starter: Offseason plans. Offseason hate. Are you planning on checking out for a while after the World Series? Have you already checked out? Do you like rosterbation? You're doing it right now, aren't you, you little scamp?
Sigh. I kind of want the Giants to play a game right now, just so I could yell at them.
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I M DYING!!!! AHHHH, NO MORE BASEBALL! yea, i’m not too happy bout it, but football and hockey are helping, and soon the warriors will help! WOOOHOO. I M SO EXCITED FOR WHO THE GIANTS WILL PICK UP
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
warriors will help
yeah right.
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Rule 5 draft
What Giants fan wouldn’t love it!? It’s brought us such megastars as Kim Batiste, Felix Escalona, and Luis Perdomo!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You're obsessed
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escalona is sort of interesting to me too, because there was a lot of online freakout after he lost the last roster spot to Shawon Dunston. He ended up with a .217 / .262 / .293 line that year for the Devil Rays, though, and never didn’t suck. 47 OPS+ in 4 seasons and 226 plate appearances.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I was just wondering I really do mention Mr. Batiste that often. I’ve mentioned him about 50 times, total. Which doesn’t seem like much, but I can’t find any non-star ex-Giant who I’ve mentioned close to as many times. Closest I can find is Shawn Estes with 35 mentions.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total mentions of “Batiste” at MCC = 87
Total jcb9 mentions of “Batiste” = 53
You sir, need a support group. Luckily, that’s basically what this site is.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I didn’t think to just search for his last name. I was adding results for Kim+Batiste to results for Kimothy.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(and thank you for slightly lowering the ratio with your analysis)
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’d be more of a support group if the other 34 mentions weren’t just to spark jcb9’s rage (which they are).
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
Grant’s lone front-page mention of him came before I ever mentioned the man here! And so did 11 of the comments, dammit!
My first mention:
Re: Open Gameday Thread, 9/1
so why is Atchison still in the game (I don’t mean this game, I mean the game of baseball)?
Bonds stands alone.
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 1, 2007 6:15 PM PDT actions 0 recs
Re: Open Gameday Thread, 9/1
Because we live in a world where even Kim Batiste managed to be paid to play baseball for several years.
by jcb9 on Sep 1, 2007 6:17 PM PDT up actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That gameday thread had 377 comments. wheee.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
traumatic Scott Atchison flashback.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 12, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different Rule V
That’s the minor league version, which is not the same thing.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same draft
Just Velez was taken in the minor league version
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/fap fap fap
C Buster Posey 0.40
1B Nick Johnson 5.00
2B Eugenio Velez 0.40
3B Pablo Sandoval 0.40
SS Edgar Renteria 9.00
LF Matt Holliday 17.00
CF Aaron Rowand 12.00
RF John Bowker 0.40
C Eli Whiteside 0.40
IF Ryan Garko 2.00
IF Kevin Frandsen 0.40
OF Nate Schierholtz 0.40
OF Lewis/Torres 0.40
48.20
SP Tim Lincecum 8.00
SP Matt Cain 4.25
SP Barry Zito 18.50
SP Jonathan Sanchez 1.50
SP Madison Bumgarner 0.40
CL Brian Wilson 4.00
SU Jeremy Affeldt 4.00
RP Sergio Romo 0.40
RP Brandon Medders 0.40
RP Justin Miller 0.40
RP Joey Martinez 0.40
RP Catfight! 0.40
42.65
Total 90.85
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ll go blind.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LIES!
My eyesight has only been marginally compromised at worst!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot about NEAL IS REAL and TRADE ROWAND AND BRIAN WILSON FOR UPTON!!!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR FIELDER!
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds for Garrett Anderson*
- Yes, this was a real trade rumor once.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Offseason between 1996 and 1997. Bonds didn’t think the organization was committed to winning, so he wanted a trade. There was also a rumor he might go to the Mets for Alex Ochoa (a hot prospect at the time) and others.
Thankfully, they traded Matt Williams instead.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh the humanity we coulda had Alex Ochoa! HOLY SHIT, where would this organization be if this deal would have surfaced
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, god look at this Usenet post I found from the Mets newsgroup in October 1997
I have been a Mets fan for 5 years and I have supported them throughout all of their losing and injury ridden seasons. I think trading Bernard Gilkey for Barry Bonds will be a huge mistake. Not only did Bernard Gilkey have a career season but he expressed his strong desire to return to New York. Why trade a player as well liked and successful as Bernard Gilkey when he could make a positive contribution to the team and even carry the Mets to a world series (when pitchers such as Jason Isringhausen, Paul Wilson and Bill Pulsipher become healthy)? Barry Bonds has been suspended numerous times for behavior problems. He is well into his prime, and the last thing the Mets need is a player with an attitude. The Mets aren’t even certain that such players as Todd Hundley and Lance Johnson will return. Why stand the risk of losing all of their players who had record seasons? I strongly suggest that the Mets keep Bernard Gilkey and let him show New York what he is made of. Major league baseball has seen enough of Barry Bonds.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PROPHETIC!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I’ve apparently forgotten all those “numerous times” Barry was suspended.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, remember Barry Bonds sucked?
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaded Memory, you only think of the good times. You seem to gloss over all the puppy strangling when MCC starts to reminisce about him.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I meant October 1996, not 1997. Anyway.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LINCECUM FOR GILKEY
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CECIL COOPER
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CECIL B. DEMILLE
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR DEMI MOORE
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR MAX POWER
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CATPOWER
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR TOWER OF POWER
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR TOWER OF BABEL
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR BABEL COLLECTOR EDITION DVD
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR MIKE PIAZZA
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR BABAR!
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CONAN THE LIBRARIAN
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CONAN O’BRIEN
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR JAY LENO
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR CHIEF LEGAL COUNCIL HUGH LOUIS DEWEY OF DEWEY, CHEATHAM, AND HOWE
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Oct 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR HOWTHEYSCORED
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 12, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAIN FOR HOWTHEYFIELDED
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Oct 12, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LORENZO CAIN?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
CAIN FOR CAIN VINEYARD
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anything USENET doesn’t know?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, Bernard “innocent until proven” Gilkey, that’s a blast from the past
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cain for Gonzalez
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cain for me!
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Holliday could get more than 17 million
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t help myself. This post reminded me that I need to head over to Jason Bay’s pages at Fangraphs and Baseball Prospectus before my lunch break ends.
Yesterday, I was trying to figure out how to pronounce “Aoki.”
I have a disease.
by Dan from NM on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that stuff, so much better than mayonnaise.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, doesn’t O.J. Mayo sound like it tastes disgusting?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAYO SEEN DRIVING WHITE SUBURBAN!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*BRONCO, DAMNIT!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
USC is trying to ban the letters O and J from the alphabet
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am seriously concerned that this off season will net us contracts we will be paying off long after zito leaves.
I hope this team sticks to shorter terms and lower costs.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HolliBay? Jason and Matt plus 8?
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That series has been canceled. However they are thinking about remaking Holliday by the Bay movie. It wasn’t a hit the first time around, but I heard they may move the location.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can the giants get somebody that’s just good at hitting?
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or, you know, just clone pablo
(after he loses 30 pounds)
by sfoakbay on Oct 12, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wait? If you are going to clone him, just keep cloning him every year, 7-8 a year plus a couple BLB’s cloned and just scrap the older ones for the newer ones
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed
Why wait? If you are going to clone him, just keep cloning him every year, 7-8 a year plus a couple BLB’s cloned and just scrap theolderarb eligible ones for the newer ones
I like this plan, but think the league might get suspicious when we’re starting a Pablo at 3B, 1B and C.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call one of them Pedro...
…since people seem to think we already have one of those. And call the third one Pavel, that’ll really confuse ’em.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 12, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hush this the Giatns. If they clone anyone it would the ’09 version of Aurilia or Renteria.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Giants bring Bay back to the Bay”
“Giants bring Holliday home for the Holidays!”
“Giants re-sign Sanchez for a dirty Sanchez!”
“Giants get a Big Bat – Johnson!”
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Giants solve offensive woes – ink Hank Blalock to four year deal!”
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like a dollop of Jason Bay. I’m tired of, “Let’s get guys that are being overlooked at cheap prices.” Where has that landed us? A bunch of guys that are decent upgrades on a good team, but collectively suck when the entire team is made up of them.
At this point, I’ve firmly planted myself in the “Screw it, it’s not my money, let’s just sign someone that we know will hit the ball, even if it means overpaying him.” This organization obviously doesn’t know how to seek out undervalued players and trade for them with players we have that might be overvalued. I have resigned myself to the fact that the only way this offense is getting better is by overspending in the FA market, or trading one of Cain or Sanchez.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay really isn't that good
Especially considering how much money he’s going to make.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’d fit right in on the Giants
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that’s probably true, but he’s still a good hitter that would make the team better.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a lot better
He’s probably about a 3 win player and our outfield is made up of guys who are ~2 win players. Jason Bay is honestly a DH at this point, and he doesn’t hit enough to be a great player there.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay isn’t that good? Really? Compared to whom?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to players who are actually really good?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't Fenway skew UZR numbers?
Not that I think he’s a good fielder; I just thought I read something like that.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Oct 12, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to people who can actually run/move in the outfield.
Fangraphs has him as the 9th most valuable LF…below RAUL IBANEZ!
And 23 most vaulable OF behind Nick Swisher and Mike Cameron
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPEAKING OF WHICH
Mike Cameron: he’d be a good pickup.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind a Holliday and Cameron signing
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let him hit other people’s pitchers in the skull!
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
by shanghaijim on Oct 12, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be happy with a Cameron signing
I would much much prefer Cameron at something like 2 years $12-$15 million to Bay at 6 years $90 million
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in terms of all everyday players, he was 61st in WAR this year and 73rd last year. But, but but, BOSTON!! RBIS!!! UNNNNNNNF!!!!
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did OF to show how bad. I mean he wouldn’t even be in the top 1/3 of OF or LF!
Just for all of you HEZ BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE!!!!! folks. I would have loved to of had Bay this year, I am not sure about going forward if I will feel the same way.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ‘ve always liked Bay for some reason. The last time the Giants tried something like him LF was the Statue yerars of BLB and then we had Feliz & Omar to eat up most of the grounder balls. Niether Renteria nor Sandoval have what I would call good range let alone the range either Feliz or Omar had. The idea of Bay, Renteria & Sandoval being the left side after the 5th inning of a close game scares me.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
obviously you haven’t been paying attention. This team isn’t good at finding undervalued players, and when it decides to spend money, it spends it on guys like Rowand and Zito, not Gurerro or Holliday
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He kinda said this
This organization obviously doesn’t know how to seek out undervalued players and trade for them with players we have that might be overvalued.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I should have been clearer, I was agreeing with that part, but he was basically saying that we should just spend money on a guy we know can hit, regardless of price. That ain’t the way SABEZ duz business. He’s gonna spend the money on a guy like Rowand, who’s got the gamery intangibles but no actual talent.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they're going to expand the payroll, why the hell NOT sign Bay?
As long as signing Bay doesn’t mean giving up too much, why the hell not. Our LF hasn’t exactly been a source of inspiration, and there might be value to knowing who the hell the LF for the year is going to be.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the main argument against Bay is that he’s probably best suited to being a DH. His defensive value the last three years has been -11.5, -18.4, and -13.9.
Of course, he’s hit so well he’s still been quite valuable. But if we sign him to a long-term deal and his offensive production starts to decline as he enters his mid-30s…
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday I would be ok with long term 5 to 6 years. Stick Bay at a 3 Year deal.
Yes these will not get it done but I can dream.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT WE WOULDNT SIGN HIM FOR HIS DEFENSE
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be ok with Holliday or Bay.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bay's aight, and Hollidays pretty ok
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holliday
will not be available. The Cards traded a lot to get him. He ain’t goin nowhere
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offseason is just nerve wracking. I’m sure the article is just pure speculation by why Bay and not Holliday?
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The offseason is nerve wracking because school begins and ends during it?
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to feel that way. But I just graduated so I don’t know if it’ll be the same. I’m mainly nervous because I know our esteemed GM is going to do something panicky.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now i’m starting to worry about GRADUATING, that damn word
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then, find a job? The worries never end.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then getting back into school so you can worry about graduating again. It doesn’t end.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
go do your homework, son
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
make me!!!!! MEH. i seriously am going to grad school
by PiKAgiant on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 more years of school for me! and then COLLEGE!
Bengie Molina is the slowest human in existence- except maybe Homer Simpson. And Man-Ram.
by Ramah71 on Oct 18, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So This.
Those two mid season trade destroyed any faith I have in him getting proper value from trading young arms. Truly the best I expect is he does nothing longer than 2 years while letting Molinia & Winn go and signs use a competent back up SS for a 1-2 years under $8MM.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it is a Boston newspaper, not St Louis.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh. I kind of want the Giants to play a game right now, just so I could yell at them.
MLB Network. The yelling is about to start.
by deuce deuce on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched some of that…
young Feliz.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I caught the very end of it and then contemplated suicide once again
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comment from someone dry-humping UZR numbers.
Funny sir, simply funny.
I’m OK with either one of ’em. Actually my real fear is that we will Durham all over ourselves with Uribe, just when Roberts and Winn are coming off the books.
by toofruss on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4 years 40 million dollars!!!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two chicks at the same time man
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have two penis’s?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it is penes.
Look it up.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
penises works too. still, the question remains…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way there is no apostrophe.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a hentai like that one time. That was the first and last time I watched a hentai.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, really?
WTF. That might be even weirder than the vagina that has a penis.
by DrStankus on Oct 12, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I really just like the idea of penes.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute.....
….it’s not penii?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 13, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the examples, why Durham? The injury issues were annoying, but he was still a productive Giant. He had one bad (BABIP-driven) season.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never lived up to that last deal which we gave him based upon a really productive 2nd half the previous year.
by toofruss on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2008 numbers still would’ve made him the second best hitter on our 2009 team, though.
/sobs
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good analysis of why to avoid Jason Bay.
I would be fine with signing Holliday.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some team is going to give him a hefty contract this winter.
Go Giants!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you notice his OB% is 117 points higher than his BA? This sounds exactly like what Sabean was describing in the news conference.
by toofruss on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I see Jason Bay, all I think is:
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The funny:nerd ratio on this one is tilting the right way. Kudos!
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, we need Ben Francisco and Jason Bay so bad. And we should also add Josh Fogg and bring George Lombard out of retirement.
Seriously. For reals reals. Not even for fake reals.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the Niners draft Coit McCoy
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO DNW DNW DNWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
oh, I see. I fell in
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
checking out is looking more attractive everyday, especially with all of the shitheads advancing in the playoffs.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Three sweeps in four series = ugh
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All sucky ass face teams too. Choices left for rooting:
Dodgers
Phillies
Yankees
Angels
Rockies
I think I have to root for the Phillies, given those choices. Although, I will be rooting for A-Rod to continue shitting on all the “not-clutch” BS.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
fuck those fucking morons who say he’s not clutch and they’d rather build a team with Jeter. Fucking idiots.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, but, didn't you *see* him throw the ball to home plate?
no-one would have thought of that!
by bobnothing on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand?
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by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE SEEMS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF EVRY PLAY!!!!!!!!!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was the game in Mpls, but there was a Twin on 2b, no runner on 1b, A-Rod fielded a grounder to his left.
A-Rod looked at the runner for a quick instant to freeze him, then threw to first. Jeter — are you sitting down? taking notes? are you ready? — actually…. no, I can’t even say it, for fear of losing any credibility on this site…. ok (deep breath)… Jeter ran to 3b to cover in case the runner at 2b advanced. NO, REALLY!
At this point, the announcers showed the replay and absolutely gushed about what a great play that was by Jeter, very intelligent and captainish, shows why he’s a leader, and so on. After my eyes stopped rolling, I pointed out to my son’s mom that our son will know that is the right move well before he graduates Little League, and it is the obvious and ordinary play.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets complain about our lack of a big bat, lets complain because we want to spend money on a big bat….last time i checked our potential big bat just killed someone, we dont have any immediate help in the minors big bat wise…the giants cant clone albert pujols…wtf do you want them to do?
by wanna Ishikawa? on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey allegedly killed someone.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to lack a big bat, but then I tried Extenz. And now my bat’s so big I can ding ‘er almost anytime I want. From almost anywhere. Even different cities. It’s great. But kind of awkward. Please watch your step.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Smilin’ Bob?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we’re not complaining about the lack of a “big bat.” Mostly we’re complaining about how we have arguably the worst offense in the Major Leagues.
Also, Angel Villalona was a long-term project anyway. Buster Posey and Thomas Neal were much closer before the murder charge and had better track records.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about after the murder charge? I’m thinking the street cred alone will take a couple of years off of his development schedule.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Posey killed someone?!?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told him that my name was fastball and he murdered me.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He saves Pandas.
"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Oct 12, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I confuse Bay and Holliday—Bay’s the one who doesn’t use his nuts to attempt to field game-ending
fly balls, correct?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct
And Holliday is the one that is much better.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so far, anyway.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don’t need a big bat. We have a big bat and it’s Pablo Sandoval. We just need to fill the lineup with other solid players who know how to avoid making outs. Rowand and Renteria would be a lot more tolerable if the rest of the starting lineup was filled guys who had .340+ OBPs.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants could definitely use another big power hitter type player, but they shouldn’t jump to sign the first one that comes along, without considering everything else that comes with it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but yeah
if the best options out there this offseason are good OBP guys without a ton of power (Chone Figgins?), then they shouldn’t hesitate to go for that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
Figgins can play defense
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't matter who we sign
it’s going to for 7 years, 150 million, they’re going to be overpaid, and if you’re gonna pay someone that much, it might as well be for Barry Zito Matt Holliday
by sfoakbay on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say
if you’re going to commit that much money and that many years it would be better to do it for someone whose skill set might age a little more gracefully than Holliday’s is likely to
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, a big bat would be nice and they could definitely use one (who couldn’t), but you’re right, and that’s sorta what I was getting at, that this focus on getting a “big bat” doesn’t mean go spend a jagillion dollars on the first one they can find and overpay for one that isn’t really worth it, all things considered.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Pablo suffers from pitch-around syndrome. The fact that he’s the only good hitter on the team means they can just throw him slop.
Unfortunately for everyone, he chooses to hack at said slop.
But if he developed a little discipline, combined with having a legitimate power threat behind him, imagine what a hitter he could be.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost all Giants hack at slop. Unlike almost all other Giants, though, Sandoval often hits slop, doesn’t strike out too much, and had an OBP closer to .400 than .350.
So I’m not that bothered.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But its hard to deny
that, in general, hitters get better with a good hitter behind them. If pablo was that good with bengie freaking molina as his cover…
I have no facts to back that up at the moment, but it definitely feels right.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hard to deny"
I dunno. Anecdotally, that seems to be the case, but I’ve never seen any hard evidence it has an effect.
I don’t know that it doesn’t, either.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hitters get better with a good hitter behind them
See: Rich Aurilia, 2001
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Aurilia from 2002 would like to say something about that.
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by groug on Oct 12, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“But its hard to deny that, in general, hitters get better with a good hitter behind them.”
Actually, this isn’t supported by any study I’ve ever read about it.
http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2004/09/the-protection-externality-it-doesnt-exist/
Hitters tend to hit what they are gonna hit. That your line up scores more when you get a better bat in it is cause you have a better bat in it.
by DrStankus on Oct 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read that website as “stankonomics”, and was hoping that you were redirecting us to your own amusingly-titled sabermetric blog.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is true. However if you have two BLB hitting in the same lineup next to each other, over a season with the same # of PA I would expect one hitting behind the other BLB to have a higher OBP and the BLB hitting front would have a higher SLG but it wouldn’t enough to notice.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
I remember the Grabiner study…but I never was a big Bill James reader.
What this article doesn’t mention is that sometimes protected/unprotected hitters might trade (or rather, the pitcher pitches them in such a way to appear to trade) SLG for OBP and vice-versa.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the study from the Book.
I showed this to a friend and instead of trying to deconstruct the argument, he goes off and says things like “This guy’s a nobody,” (LOL) and “If he’s so smart, why isn’t he on ESPN?” (LOLOLOL) and stuff like that. Good times.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 13, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo suffers from pitch-around syndrome.
The Best, most potent, way to deter (or HURT) a team that wants to pitch around you hottest hitter is already have runner(s) already on base. This is not to say I would turn down another legit ISO bat but ISO is not going to help anywhere has much as having runners 180 feet & 270 feet ( with a walk 90 feet & 180 feet) away from scouring.
On a team with the kind of pitching the 2010 Giants should have with good defense that one run is devastating and other teams know it. The numbers back this up. The ’09 Giants were 27-12 (.692) when leading after the 2 innings. And the later the inning the Giants’ had the lead the higher their winning percentage was. That go ahead run just a fly ball away going stop a lot of the walk around nonsense or we are going to get a lot more wins.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1
Get rid of the massive holes in the lineup without spending a ton.
If you sign a great player to a large deal, they still have enough holes that will give them a bad offense.
by DrStankus on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just out of curiosity
are there any playoff teams without good/great players on large deals?
It’s not required, but it sure as hell helps.
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by Viliphied on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course it helps
but they also tend to not have big gaping holes up and down the lineup.
by DrStankus on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well true
but I blame that almost as much on Big Head as I do on Sabes. Bowker’s year at Fresno sure looks like he could be an average or better hitter. I don’t know how The Burriss Experiment lasted as long as it did, but I guess Frandsen sleeping with Sabes’ sister has consequences for the team.
What I’d like to see if we get one big bat:
LF – Bay/Holiday
CF – Rowand
RF – Bowker
3B – Sandoval
SS – Uribe
2B – Sanchez
1B – Garkokawa
C – Posey.
I think a linup composed of those individuals could produce a near average offense, maybe a little bit below, but significantly better than this year. What we’d actually see with one big bat added:
LF – Bay/Holiday
CF – Rowand
RF – Velez
3B – Uribe
SS – Renteria
2B – Sanchez
1B – Sandoval
C – Molina/Whiteside (search your heart, you know it to be true)
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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by Viliphied on Oct 12, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point
That phrase just needs to become an acronym
SYH,YKITBT
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Sabes comes with this type of signing, but I know he will end up with a signing closer to this
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they forgot the tim lincecum option under “who will be the giants best starter in 2007?”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, is San Francisco really “a more competitive environment” than Oakland?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s an actual Major League Baseball environment which Oakland is not
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF, the closed the polls!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. Zito sighting in the (2nd this) sidebar.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does playing half his games at Fenway Park effect his UZR numbers?
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by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
affect?
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
affect is correct.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the use of effect as a verb is vastly underrated although I agree it is not appropriate in this case
by capn on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the use of effect as a verb is vastly underrated
I agree. It effects an air of literary dexterity.
by non sequitur on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep up the elitest literary dexterity talk
And it will effect my fist in your nose!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really, though. I’m not the punching type. Not the kicking type either. Looks like you’ll be getting off kind of easy.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, he didn’t say he’s not the hitting-your-head-with-a-steel-chair type. Or the staple-gunning-your-forehead type.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ve got nothing to lose then by pointing out that howie misspelled “elitest”.
by non sequitur on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
est = most. I was saying that you are acting like the most elite. It was a clever turn of my literary dexterity. Now shut up before I poison you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here I thought being a grammar snoot was Mayor’s job.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, there are several of us.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HI!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY! What the hell? That was out of the damn blue.
I am definitely one of the grammary type people on here, but HowTheyScored and many others bring this stuff up as often as or more than I do.
However, my big idiosyncratic thing is the ‘then’ vs ‘than’ error, and on that, I am probably the loudest grammary type person on here.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rather that misuse then misspellings.
/thank you firefox
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayor's updated holiday card list
Roman Polanski
Halle Berry
Anne Hathaway
Nobel Economics Committee
Tina Fey
Matt Cain
Billy Mays
say hey nation
Jonathan Sanchez
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I justr wanted to see if I was on your list!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Looks at Mayor of 311’s updated holiday card list. Doesn’t see name.
/Rechecks list.
/Sulks for a while.
/Writes name on list.
/Walks away.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/debates telling HowTheyScored that this was just an excerpt
/decides not to
/erases the ‘w,’ ‘t,’ and ‘y’
/giggles
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/returns to check up on list
/sees the words “Ho he Scored” where his name used to be
/sulks for a while
/decides to finally stop writing in pencil
/giggles
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/walks to board where list is hanging
/pins flyer selling used lawn mower over list
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a dyslexic moment I thought you were trying to spell “Ow He Scored”. My dyslexis interpretation was more humorous.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 13, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A common misspelling that truly mystifies me
Why do people think strength should be spelled “strenght?” I see that all the time – hell, it gets 1.65 million google hits! – and I don’t get it. It’s not even pronounced that way!
It’s like “heigth,” but in reverse.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at your keyboard.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
g, h, and t are all next to each other, yes, but I don’t recall ever seeing another permutation, like “strentgh.”
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dyslexic fingers.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overdiagnosed.
Those fingers are not dyslexic; they are just lazy little digits that don’t do their best, that don’t try very hard, that aren’t even trying.
Those fingers need more discipline in their lives. They need to be shown who it is for whom they work, not the other way around.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I punish them relentlessly, but the won’t learn. They are very stubborn.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(cue the leather porn music)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 12, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly the one that truly burns my soul is loose instead of lose, it doesn’t even seem correct, yet it is the one I most commonly see, why is this?
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are dumb.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Occam’s razor
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a lose translation.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a loose/loose situation.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thou dost protest too much, methinks.
JUST YANKIN YER CRANK PAL. Don’t get yourself tied in a knot about it.
But I do hate you.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're such a loudist.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I’ve been lambasted for misuse of apostrophe’s
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were pretty bad with Pittsburgh too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a year & a half. But looking at Manny’s #‘s this year and you notice his UZR improved a bit. So it’s possible that the Green Monster made Manny’s UZR worse.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is possible, but I think it’s also likely that Jason Bay, at 30+ is a below average defender at this point in time, Fenway or not.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s played with the Dodgers for about a full season now, and has put up a UZR -13. That’s perfectly in line with his last 3 full years in Boston, given the limitations of UZR at that sample size.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was -13 in 100 games which means that had he not missed a third of the season his UZR would probably have been around -20 (I’m too lazy to look up his UZR/150
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops nevermind you used his total, my bad
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was funny how a lot of the pro Red Sox crowd last year was touting the fact that Bay would be enough of a defensive upgrade over Manny to cancel out most of the offensive downgrade. Of course, very predictably, it just turned out that Fenway LF UZR numbers are bullshit.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's true
There’s certainly no evidence of it from the last two primary LF to play in Boston.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more likely that the last LF in Boston have been (defensively) bullshit.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 13, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally and completely disregard UZR numbers for left field at Fenway Park (I’m still convinced Bay is a bad left fielder)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree he’s a bad fielder, but I think his bat would provide so much value, especially to this team, that I’d be ok with it.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Oct 12, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo Sports comment:
Epstein would JUMP to give him a 5-year deal for about 15,000,000 a year.Also the Giants have Angel Villalona as a good hitter in a year and not much money left in the budget
Keeping-up-with-the-times Fail
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, him being a good hitter in the majors a year from now was always a longshot. Dude’s 19.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Villalona as a good hitter in one year is pretty lulzworthy, murder or not.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As is the notion that we don’t need to improve our offense because we’ve got one guy in the minors.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate people
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH AND THE GIANTS COULD JUST TRADE ALDERSON 4 A BAT
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am beginning to think we did.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be a maple bat given the way his body exploded.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we were all painfully impaled by his flying fragments.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 12, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Anyone see the article in the Times about the Angels?
It was pretty interesting and delved into the fact that they score runs while not walking a ton. The numbers are interesting when you look closely. They did score the 2nd most runs in MLB while ranking 17th in walks. This got me a wee bit excited for a minute, but then I noticed that they still walked more than 150 times more than the Giants (oh and had a team BA nearly 30 points higher).
by capn on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t their on-base percentage still pretty high, though?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.350
Third best in the AL.
As opposed to, say, .309.
/sobs
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop your sobbin’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last time I looked that team only swings at 43.7% of the pitches they see. Only 6 teams were less likely to swing. (Compared to our Not Aggressive Enough ’09 Giants at 50.4 Swing%). They only had 4 Position players swing at more ( over 50 Swing%) pitches than they took for a grand total of 427 PA’s. 407 of those PA’s were Vlad’s (60.5 Swing% rate FTW!!).
Pick your gritty gamer Vet on the Giatns I am pretty sure he had more PA’s with higher than 50 Swing% the entire ’09 Angles squad. Only Renteria & Winn was under a 50 Swing%.
The morals of the story are:
1)They don’t take a pitcher off the hook once he starts falling apart.
2) Walks are not the only way to cash in on plate discipline.
3) Being selective at what your batter offers at can be a good thing.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Jason Bay hit .267 with 119 RBI’s. Combine that with a former all star like Freddy Sanchez and we have an upgraded offense that will keep us contending for years!
by Into the Void on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
former all-star?
former BATTING CHAMPION
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus you got Garko- a guy that can hit three run homeruns.
by Into the Void on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
142 H / 162 K
Not diggin’ it.
Although his H/K is not consistently in the (-) range, it’s more like every other year.
by hokysmksbw on Oct 12, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares about batting K's?
I mean they matter, but not much.
And hit/K ratio? That’s not an important hitter metric.
by DrStankus on Oct 12, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It used to be among the most important metrics
So long as the ball is actually in play, anything can happen.
by hokysmksbw on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not what h:k is measuring. That would be 1-K%-BB%..
Hazarding a guess, the top guys in h:k would be a bunch of contact hitters that stayed healthy all season. A bunch of Placido Polancos and Yadier Molinas.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So long as the ball is actually in play, anything can happen.
Like rally ending GiDP’s!
On a team were the “veterans” can’t hit to the proper side and refuse/never learned to bunt just putting the ball into play is not a great standard. If this team’s Veterans could routinely hit to the correct side (for the situation) or lay down bunts to move people over (and reduce the GiDP chances) and was fast with smart base runner I would change my tune in hart beat. But the ’09 Giants’ ( and odds are the 2010 Giants’ as well) were not good at any of these 3 things.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but what you forget
is that hokyjokebbw likes making up random metrics no one else uses to support conclusions he’s already drawn.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
< insert snide comment about the MLB allowing ghost runners now >
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Sign Bay
2. Trade Cain for Fielder
3. World Series, here we come!
2B Velez
SS Sanchez
LF Bay
1B Fielder
3B Sandoval
C Posey
CF Rowand
RF Bowker
P Lincecum
That’s a pretty sweet-looking lineup.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SS Sanchez???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2B Velez?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s a Bowker?
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess they could re-sign Uribe, as long as we’re dreaming they have enough money to sign Bay or Holliday.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WILSON FOR UPTON
ROWAND FOR BLANKS OR BRADLEY
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please do it!!
/strongly support trading Wilson for a bat
by DJ Tofu on Oct 12, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Lincecum could start every game that would be awesome
by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 12, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lincecum could start every game that would be awesome what?
/exploiting minor nuance of the word “that” – also why commas are good, though this is a fairly weak example of that.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay (162 K) hitting #3 and Panda (83 K) #5?
That’s thinking outside the crackerbox for sure.
by hokysmksbw on Oct 12, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay is only going to cost $162,000? Sign me up!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Velez?
/barfs
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 12, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while we’re all playing this fun game, I wanted to throw out something more realistic…
SS Adam Kennedy
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
C Molina
LF Jermaine Dye
1B Garkawa
CF Rowand
RF Xavier Nady
See? So many free agents! While the team could get ONE Holliday, it could get FOUR of Dye/Nady/Molina/Kennedy, thus quadrupling their world championships…
by peetah on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy has played two innings at short stop in his major league career.
Jermaine Dye is a signing Sabean would make, but would not be a good one.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye is going to be a Giant. It has been foreseen.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes will go hard after Holliday and Bay, miss out, flip out on the radio at Ralph Barbieri about it and then sign Dye to 2 years, 20 million.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the flip out, he’ll claim he never pursued either of them and blame it all on the media and the fans.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I left that part out.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not an idiot.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/20 I would not mind, I fear a 4 year deal. I would rather this team not waste money but if they are going to why not do it so it comes off the books roughly the same time Rowand does?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But 2 years of Dye >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 years of Bay
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look everyone, he’s having a conversation with himself!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, way to go you just interrupted my thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does that sometimes
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No years of Dye>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any years of Dye
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I am just preparing my self.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would mind 2/20.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I ever need to see the words “Sabes will go hard” ever again.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes will go at it very hard?
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes looking for solid DP duo?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 12, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
canada.
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
by shanghaijim on Oct 12, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think you fell in
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the last paragraph, you’re probably right.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
neutered...
With the last paragraph Molina, you’re probably right.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I threw up in my mouth a little with Molina and Dye in there…
by nataku on Oct 12, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BANNED!!!!!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aim High
1B Bugs Bunny
2B Bugs Bunny
3B Bugs Bunny
SS Bugs Bunny
LF Bugs Bunny
RF Bugs Bunny
CF Bugs Bunny
C Bugs Bunny
Pitching and in the Bullpen: Bugs Bunny
by hokysmksbw on Oct 12, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking through the free agent list briefly, the only guys I would have some interest in appear to be Hank Blalock, Nick Johnson and Xavier Nady. (And, of course, the Bay’s, Holliday’s and Martinez’s of the world, but I’m taking into account potential contracts.)
by deuce deuce on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL BLALOCK
Martinez who?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should bring Tino Martinez out of retirement.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock hits much worse away from Arlington.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed
Blalock sucks. And Nady is an average OF at best. DNW.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the OP photo, is Sabes wearing a charm bracelet?(Times Square Rolex?!)
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah, that’s a friendship bracelet he and melonhead exchanged.
by Into the Void on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a cursed artifact that he collected from the hidden tomb of Abner Doubleday. It was said that such an item would give him absolute knowledge of all things baseball. Little did he know the General’s vengeful spirit had not yet come to rest…
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/ tips cap
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
Curious as to what people think he’ll get in terms of years/dollars.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you already checked out?
Yep. That’s the one.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Oct 12, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DON'T sign Sanchez for starters
Pocket the $8 million you were gonna pay him. Add $10 million to it and sign a big bat. Or, sign Sanchez, watch him be hurt most of the year, and use the extra $10 million to sign another Rowand/Renteria type player.
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You already know which one will happen. Search your feelings you know it to be true.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Oct 12, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditch Sanchez, sign Uribe
Trade for Snoopy
by hokysmksbw on Oct 12, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins at 2B for the Giants in 2010
What about taking the $8 million Sabean is going to spend on a suspect Freddy Sanchez and get Figgins to play 2B?
Radical Racing
by Radical Racing on Oct 12, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am for a Chone in the infield. Guy can pick it.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newsletter subscriptions?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That article
explained abolutely nothing. But the comments made me lol: a guy said that Villalona would be a big bat in a year or so. Even disregarding the murder, he wouldn’t be ready for 2-3 years
Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us
by MadBum on Oct 12, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Think more 20-25 years, with time off for good behavior.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Does Sabean’s hair curl that way naturally or does he get it styled?
by kimmyg on Oct 12, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely think the Giants should, not because Bay or Holliday would represent the best value but because if Sabean doesn’t spend on one big bat he’ll spend on 2-3 Edgar Renteria clones. C’mon, you know that’s true.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned watching this organization over the past few years, it’s this: I’d rather foresake all the Michael Tucker/Bengie Molina/journeyman vet. signings if it would get me one true difference maker. In this offseason, that means spending on Holliday or Bay. I’d prefer Holliday, I think, but I could live with either.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 13, 2009 1:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
this
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 13, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you don’t want Nick Johnson, Jermain Dye, and Marlon Byrd? C’mon.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 13, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be coming here occasionally for Giants news, speculation and opinion in the offseason.
But it’s hockey season, and the Avs have a team similar to the ’09 Giants. A young team everyone expects to be last, but could surprise and make a surprising push for the playoffs, but ultimately they have a fatal flaw that will be too great to overcome. Leaving me grateful for the chance to watch, but ultimately disappointed… just in time for the Giants to start next season with some expectations.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 13, 2009 6:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
crude comments
As a life long Giants fan(I’m 54 years old) I love my team, but the “ultra black guys” comment and a past comment linking Velez to looking like a burnt goat, are out of line and reflect some seriously stupid comments based on people’s race and ethnicity.
It stupid, unneeded, and offensive, and should stop.
BTW, What is an “Ultra Black Guy”, anyway? I’m African-American and I’ve never heard of one or seen one, or heard of a person of my race described like that, and I live in Harlem; The Capital of Black America.
by daddy3xnyc on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Roberto Kelly. And I hope/don’t think any of the comments were meant in a racist way. There is just some really retarded humor sometimes here, as there is in life, it’s truly unavoidable, just roll with it and laugh where you can.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, if someone is offended by a comment made on the site, they should say so. Yes, a lot of our humor is off-color but I don’t want anyone to feel as though they aren’t welcome posting here.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 13, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ “off-color” in this particular context.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
As a guy who posted a snide comment about the snide comment in question I rhetorically ask, "Did you flag the comment under actions?" The Mod’s here are very good about keeping things from derailing too much. I read the comment as snide and irreverent but I could have been wrong.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a very weird comment, but unless a comment is blatantly hateful I try not to be too reactionary about dealing out deletions. The reaction to it was about what it should have been: a mix of confusion, sarcasm and criticism. If the reaction had derailed the thread, I would have deleted the whole string in a second.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It made me do a double take when I first saw it and I probably should have deleted it right then. I’m really sorry I didn’t, I’ll do it now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 13, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was a pretty tasteless remark. Luckily those are fairly few and far between on this site, and usually limited to the same very tiny group of posters.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 14, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crude comment
Thanks for the tip on "actions’. I was offended by it as I read it. I come here because I love my Giants, and i think this is a great site for some great humor of the game and the joy and pain of being a fan of this great team.
I can find offensive nonsense, racially based or otherwise, in so many places in this world, that is why to this site is for me an antidote.
I read the great stuff to my kids, bring them into the living room to laugh at the amazing graphics that are posted, but not to share that kind of stuff.
by daddy3xnyc on Oct 13, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know the mods won’t tolerate racism, but a lot of the stuff on this site still may not be kid-friendly due to the allowance of profanity. Just FYI.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why we love the Giants
For us in NYC, Latinos and African Americans, we love the Giants because it doesn’t escape us the rich tradition the teams has with African American and Latino players, coaches,and two managers.
We remember that the Giants played in a ballpark that was in Harlem and that mays would play stickball in the streets of Harlem with the local kids. That is important to me as I have coached baseball in Harlem Little league for 15 years and we work hard to let kids know we have a stake in this game that goes back before 1947, no matter what the stats say about African Americans and their non-involvement with baseball.
Mays, McCovey, Marichal, the Alous, Cepeda, Fuentes, Maddox, Matthews, Madlock,Torres, Bonds I and II, and now Sandoval. That is a rich tradition any Giants fan should be proud of, and one that means a lot more on many levels to some of us.
But I also love Jack Sanford, Gaylord Perry, Johnny LeMaster, Darrell Evans, Mike Ivie, Gary laVelle, Randy Moffitt, Matt Williams, and Jeff Kent.
by daddy3xnyc on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You love Jeff Kent?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a bat in his hands, and when he wore the SF. otherwise he was an idiot
by daddy3xnyc on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the " + reply button" is a good thing. It took me a while to use to it as well.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we had some Mays now…
He’s my all-time fav.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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