Wrap-up (IF Edition)
by oldjacket on Oct 11, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
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These are some thoughts on the Giant's various players in multiple parts. This week, the infield.
UZR/150 is the amunt of runs a player would save on defense, relative to average at their position over 150 game period..
SGE is my guess at the Subjective Groupthink Evaluation of a players defense.
BB% K% BB/K
8.40% 27.30% 0.34
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.261 0.329 0.387 363
UZR/150: 13.5
SGE: very good
He could improve some next year, but realistically, it seems like a stretch that he'll improve enough to actually be a good hitter. Also, He just swung at a slider at his back foot.
BB% K% BB/K
7.6 % 14.1 % 0.58
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.268 0.344 0.421 400
UZR/150: 4.5
SGE: bad
Yeah, Ryan Garko is not +5 defending first baseman. You all know the story, not actually as bad a hitter as he looked with the Giants, but still a far cry from what you'd want out of first base. Garko would be the slowest player on any team that didn't already have Bengie Molina.
BB% K% BB/K
6.20% 19.70% 0.33
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.213 0.256 0.279 133
UZR/150: 18.7 (at 1b)
SGE: bad
Bye, Rich! Looking forward to your broadcasting career!
BB% K% BB/K
0.00% 15.00% 0
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.250 0.250 0.250 20
UZR/150: -5
SGE: Dunno, but we've heard it's pretty bad.
Like a less toolsy Velez, they keep trying to find a position for him, without much cooperation grom Guzman's glove. His PCL batting line was merely ok, but he could probably put up similar production to Ryan Garko.
BB% K% BB/K
4.6 % 16.6 % 0.29
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.293 0.326 0.416 489
UZR/150: 13.7
SGE: Looks good, when he plays
Hey, great. A second baseman on the wrong side of 30 with knee and shoulder problems.But he won a batting title once.
BB% K% BB/K
6.50% 16.80% 0.41
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.238 0.292 0.267 220
UZR/150: -8.6
SGE: Occasionally briliant, but meh overall
Well, that didn't really work out. Burriss had a nice two weeks, but otherwise had the bat knocked out of his hands. His fielding needs work, but at least you can see how it could be MLB-quality someday.
BB% K% BB/K
10.20% 24.50% 0.46
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.17 0.25 0.264 60
UZR/150: 6.1 (at 2B)
SGE: Unmemorable
Downs actually out hit Frandsen at AAA this year. He's still a utility player at best, and one of those guys that jcb9 reminisces about at worst.
BB% K% BB/K
5.90% 20.60% 0.3
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.289 0.329 0.495 432
UZR/150: -7.1 (at SS), 4.7 at 2B
SGE: Perfect Game-ruining, but otherwise acceptable.
Hey, Juan Uribe was not only good, he was fun. Maybe a wise few could have seen the first one coming, but the second one certainly caught me off-guard. Why does it seem like the baseball gods are setting us up for a long term contract filled with hacking and deteriorating defense, then?
BB% K% BB/K
5.70% 8.00% 0.75
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.140 0.204 0.18 54
UZR/150: 37.3
SGE: Who?
It's not like Kevin Frandsen takes walks or hits for power or anything, but this is the Giants, those facts should be in hisfavor, shouldn't they? He's was outhit in AAA this year by younger "prospects" this year so the Giants really should be moving on anyway.
BB% K% BB/K
8.30% 14.50% 0.63
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.330 0.387 0.556 633
UZR/150: -7.7
SGE: Bad, but not disastrous.
That was awesome.
BB% K% BB/K
7.80% 15.00% 0.57
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.25 0.307 0.328 510
UZR/150: -1.2
SGE: All we saw were dollar signs.
Other than the two grand slams, that was not awesome. Edgar Rentaria was the picture of a player who still knows how to hit, but whose abilities were failing him. And just because it was injury-related doesn't mean he's bouncing back. I hope the Giants have a good plan B next year.
BB% K% BB/K
5.00% 31.60% 0.17
AVG OBP SLG PA
0.158 0.200 0.211 20
UZR/150: 38.2 (at 3B)
SGE: HE NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS THROWING
Chelsea Memmel's favorite Giant would be a good utility prospect, too bad that's not an actual thing.He seems like a capable infielder who can hit the occasional home run. I know this website hopes he can stick around.
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Name-checked!
I feel so famous. Or so predictable. One or the other.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just acknowledging your niche in the MCC ecosystem.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 11, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Uribe pending 3 year contract:
I think our best hope is the Phillies. His being able to cover 2nd, SS & 3rd would make their life MUCH easier and in that band box his power numbers should climb. Of course that leaves the Giants’ without a plan B as SS … again but I like it better than the 3 year contract.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Evertt played 900+ innings at SS this season with a UZR/150 of 9.7 and was paid $1MM for 1 years. He also was 9 points lower wOBA then Renteria this year. Are there any takers (or tire kickers) on the 33 year old for $2MM or under to play SS at least half the time next year?
There is also Alex Cora, Crosby, Khalie Greene and if the M’s use the buy out Jack Wilson in the not costing a draft pick in the SS help bin.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 11, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
every time I hear Neukom talking about “clubhouse chemistry” I realize that they’re not letting Uribe get away.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 11, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AARRRGGG!
Actually I don’t mind Uribe for a couple years under $6-$7M total. I just see where he would fit very well with a lot of other clubs and hate the idea of just handing him 3rd base and a Dave Roberts like contract. This franchise is not THAT talent broke any more to justify that level of Bavasi "think".
For those that forgot I liked the idea of chaseing Uribe last off season but the team might as well go after Everett (for 1-2 years and ~$4MM max total) or 1-2 years of Jack Wilson for a couple years if we are looking Dave Roberts type money.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 11, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the feeling that it’s all going to end in tears with Uribe. He did great this year but it’d be silly to ignore the fact that he was a replacement level player the previous two seasons. I’m fine with bringing him back as a bench player for $1-2M but i feel we’d regret giving him a reasonable contract or expecting him to start.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d love to see Uribe back on the bench, he earned that. Maybe 2.5 M/yr even, but not as a starter. Even if he’s close to the 09’ Uribe, he makes the bench deeper. I don’t want to see Rohlinger, or Frandsen.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 12, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still hold out hope that Ishikawa could be an above average first baseman. I suspect more and more that it’s not going to happen, but I really hope it does.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 11, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yeah, I’m pretty sure we’re going to re-sign Juan Uribe, and he’s promptly going to go back to the guy who had posted mid-70s OPS+s for three years in a row.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If The Jesus only knew how to play catch…..
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 11, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he is better suited to be reliever? A spot were he could make saves.
/ ducks!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 11, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ducks are delicious.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 11, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 11, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Chinese New Year meal: tea-smoked duck.
mmmmm.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I shall remember this.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
by haverecords on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just swung at a slider at his back foot.
It’s funny how many of the 2009 SF hitters hackers this applies to.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 11, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Bowker, Ishi, Velez. Schierholtz may have even been the worst about it. With Rowand it doesn’t even need it to be at his back foot. You can throw a slider into the dugout that he would have a hard time laying off of.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 11, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d put Pablo in that category as well, but the difference is that he fouls it off or flips it in for a single.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The list of pitches that Pablo swings at is very long. The only one I really wish he would lay off of is that inside fastball above his hands. Of course, if the pitcher misses the location on that one, he smokes it.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to convince myself that once Renteria is healthy, he’ll go back to his career levels.
la-la-la-can’t-hear-you-la-la
by xanthan on Oct 11, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In order for him to go back to his career levels he’ll need 1) to be healthy 2) a case of plutonium (or 1.21 gigawatts) 3) a flux capacitor and 4) a delorean.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you can’t just walk into a store and buy plutonium.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is delorean there to make him feel less old?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t help. WalrusMan not being there will just reaffirm how old he really is.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, it’d be the girl who’s there with WalrusMan.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is why WalrusMan hasn’t confirmed me as a friend on Facebook yet….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us cleverly avoid that trap by not telling you our last names.
I mean me, by the way.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm… I see you’ve cleverly disguised yourself as Joe Smith….
Does he even know you’re pretending to be him?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just going to pretend you’re right and say yes.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Downs Mention !!
Is Matt Downs the savior of this middle infield ? No, but he does have the potential to be a league average infielder. His MLB numbers this year in very small samle size, were awful. But if you look at his numbers anywhere he has gotten a chance to adjust to the league, he seems to do very well, if not excel. Not a HR hitter, but a high average, high OBP, doubles hitter would come in handy with this offense. Oh…wait…. Sabean already traded for a guy like that. 
Compiled BB Reference Larger Version
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Oct 11, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would ask you
to take those AAA Fresno numbers and run an MLE on them. But that would be depressing, now wouldn’t it?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 14, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zen,
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With less than a full season in 3A over two years (131 Games), It’s not that depressing.
Considering the 2009 Giants team totals were .257/ .309 /.389 /.699
Matt Downs MLE comes in at .245 /.276/ .388 / .664 with 31 doubles and 13 HR’s.
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Oct 15, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry but that’s incredibly depressing.
Not the numbers themselves necessarily but that we’ve fallen to the state where an .664 OPS is described as “not that depressing”.
Downs seems very much like Frandsen to me, both are probably replacement level players and ok fill-ins /bench players but neither should be starting or getting many AB for a major league team.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Oct 15, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the major league team averages .669 OPS it is not that depressing. The Giants farm system ( with the exception of Gerald ) is not full of serious hitting prospects.
Look, I’m not here to state that Matt Downs is the savior of the infield, but he does have the potential to be a solid replacement player, a utility guy, or a back up. The guy was drafted essentially as a 23 year old after the JC/Oklahoma transfer. He was a pitcher primarily until his senior year at Oklahoma.
Small Sample Size applies here. This is not Todd Linden with 2,000 MiLB at bats.
If you remove the 22 games he played in 2008 after coming up from San Jose, his MLE for 2009 .261/ .292/ .411/ .730 is better than half of the Giants rostered players in 2009.
What other 3A infielder should be getting at bats ? Eugenio Velez ?
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Oct 15, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other 3A infielder should be getting at bats ? Eugenio Velez ?
Bork.
Sorry. Just had to.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 15, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, it’d say the fact that the major league averages a .669 OPS is pretty depressing. Also I’m guessing that is a typo as the major league team had a .699 OPS.
I wasn’t meaning to be critical of Downs, I like him, it’s just a shame that he’s arguably the best internal candidate we have.
What other 3A infielder should be getting at bats ?
None of them. They’re all ok as utility players (and i’m fine with Downs in that role) but none of them should be starting. We’ll sign an external 2B to start (probably Sanchez) and that’s the correct decision to make.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Oct 16, 2009 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you say 13 HRs?
Sign me up!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man. You managed to compound the depressing.
I really want Downs to succeed, just because I’ve always wanted to have that 25th man that can throw some garbage innings too.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Oct 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While you may be right about some of these guys developing into decent utility infielders, and that would be great, it’s not the time for that, or what the team needs right now to win. Unfortunately Sabean and Boch did not agree, and pissed away the last 3-4 years of properly evaluating these players, especially F.Lew.
We need to spend a bit, trade a Bumgarner, and go for it right now with the SP’s and Bullpen that we have.
Ishikawa is not going to be good, he’s one that I think it’s safe to say, we’ve seen enought of.
Schierholtz is not going to be anything more than a 5th OF.
Burriss can’t hit, or use his speed properly, and his glove isn’t good enough to waste anymore time developing.
Frandsen is probably not coming back, and frankly has never looked comfortable at the big league level.
I’m OK with keeping a cheap, controllable Garko around for at least one more season, but I don’t think the Giants will.
Bowker, Rohlinger, and Downs have not had enough of a look yet, but none of them looks like anything special in what I’ve seen of them. Hopefully I’m wrong about all of this.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 11, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t get the F-Lew love here. Yes, it was wonderful to see a guy work a count, but he looked lost in the field and at the plate for a good two months before he was benched. I don’t know what his UZR was by the end of the season, but he failed the eyeball test more than any OF’er in recent memory…including Eugenio.
by tyrannoman on Oct 11, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/sigh
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the season was barely 2 months old when he got benched. He was a starter in April and May, with the following lines:
.299 / .420 / .403
.258 / .340 / .438
His only really bad months came in June (when he had half as many plate appearances as he’d had in May – in other words, he was in the process of being benched already) and September (when he got a whopping 20 plate appearances, so, you know, not very meaningful).
And I’m always baffled by people saying Lewis is or appears to be the worst outfielder they can remember seeing. Have you people never watched Adam Dunn, or Jason Bay, or Raul Ibanez, or Pat Burrell, or Chris Duncan, or Manny Ramirez? Even if you don’t know anything about UZR, there are so many outfielders who look much worse out there than Lewis ever does.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I presumed he meant “worst Giants outfielder…..”
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Oct 12, 2009 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 11, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
by haverecords on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only,,,
LF Holliday
RF J.Bay
CF Bradley
1B Fielder
2B Uggla
3B Panda
SS Uribe
C Posey/Molina
Rotation
Lincecum
Cain
Bum
Zito
Sanchez
Bullpen is good
assuming we trade away our whole farm system, this lineup comes to mind
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
overboard
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL PANDA HITTING 6TH
LOL URIBE STILL STARTING
LOL MOLINA STILL HERE
LOL FIELDER AND CAIN ON SAME TEAM
LOL BAY IN RIGHT
LOL BUM 3RD STARTER
so many things wrong…
by sfoakbay on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot to LOL BRADELY IN CF!!!!
by tyrannoman on Oct 11, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t count b/c he would only start 4 games before he is injured
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 12, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isnt the lineup. its just the team
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Oct 11, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok then
but just curious: where would you put panda in this rosterbatory lineup?
by sfoakbay on Oct 12, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
i would keep him
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Oct 12, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your insane fantasy still involves Bengie Molina!?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say that that is epic failure. Sorry.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 11, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for those of you whining about molina, he put up some of the best catcher numbers of the year
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Oct 11, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s Natto with that facepalm drawing?
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by groug on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably nursing the blisters on his clicking finger.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 11, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Permission to add to my “bucket”?
I ask because it is very much a signature piece for you.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But it’s always different depending on who is on the receiving end.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
noted.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easiest TWHS in history.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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by Cookyman on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Among 19 MLB catchers with at least 400 at-bats
Molina was 11th in batting average, 16th in OBP, 8th in SLG, 12th in OPS, dead last in walks, 6th in home runs, 11th in extra base hits, seventh in GIDP, and 18h in BB/K ratio. If you want to be, “BUT RBIS!!!!” he wasn’t even one of the best there, despite being the only one hitting cleanup: he was in 6th place, behind Victor Martinez, Joe Mauer, Brian McCann, Kurt Suzuki, and Jorge Posada.
And if you say he was only behind them in RBIs because they played for better hitting teams, congratulations: you’ve discovered why RBIs are a bad stat for evaluating individual performance.
So no, he didn’t put up some of the best catcher numbers of the year. In categories where he was bad, he was among the worst. In categories where he was good, he didn’t crack the top five.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 11, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if your argument is that he’s clutch, consider this:
Molina was a .314 / .325 / .593 hitter leading off innings.
Bases empty, he was .255 / .278 / .442
With runners on? .275 / .291 / .442
With RISP? .260 / .286 / .429
With RISP and two out? .189 / .231 / .297
Even if you believe there’s such a thing as clutch, and even if you don’t have a problem with small sample size shenanigans, there’s really no evidence he was clutch this year.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
JCB
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Kurt Suzuki.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Joe Mauer better.
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 12, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg no he didn't stop
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by jponry on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th lowest cERA and PB among qualifiers.
Dude said “catcher numbers” not “hitter numbers”. Jeez, it’s like people around here see “Molina” and their reading comprehension just flies out the window.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming that “catcher numbers” means numbers for a catcher. I guess you can take it either way, though.
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by jcb9 on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chasm’d
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by oldjacket on Oct 12, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cera is awkward.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s his thing!
I’m really kind of worried about what Scott Pilgrim is going to be like with him in the lead. I trust Edgar Wright. I trust Edgar Wright. I trust Edgar Wright….
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by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina has the best "catcher number"
1. It’s right there on his uniform.
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by zenbitz on Oct 14, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s your next point?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still not as good as the Phillies All Star Team of 09.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 11, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know why you wouldn’t expect Ishikawa to get better. I’m not saying he’ll be a great hitter by any means, but it was his first full year in the majors and he’ll be 26 until the end of next year plus he was jerked around by Bochy. If given a full opportunity I’d expect him to hit for a bit more power as he learns the league and refines his approach and hopefully get close to 100 OPS+, which, if you combine it with his defense would make him much more valuable.
Unfortunately, I doubt the Giants will show much more patience with the guy and continue to give him 300 something at bats in a platoon (he was fairly respectable against righties) if they can’t get a regular 1st baseman or decide not to move Pablo there full time if they land a full time 3b.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 11, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a 100 OPS+ from a platoon 1B is sub-par, even with great defense.
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by Cookyman on Oct 11, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got such a nice looking swing and is somewhat patient, yet he’ got zero pop for his size and swing, and strikes out a lot. I just don’t see what more he can adjust. I think he’d make a fine bench player/defensive replacement, but I’d rather see them upgrade-and-or-move Pablo and keep Garko as the bench 1B. But I don’t value D from 1B as high as other spots. (I would even welcome Dunn to play 1B).
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 11, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the pop will come around
He is still young, learning pitchers and how to be a major league hitter, etc. Especially, his home/away splits suggest to me that he can do better next year as he gets more comfortable. Before the season I predicted that fans would HATE Ishi, because he wouldn’t hit for anything at home and all his power would come on the road. I think we see the opposite of that, and also a pretty big factor in the giants horrible road record this year. One might think that some of that split difference is due to games in Petco (right) and Dodger Stadium (not so right). And clearly we can see some BABiP issues at work in both directions (Total BABiP was .330).
Home: PA 191 .349/ .400/ .535/ .935 BABiP: 424 HR: 7
Away: PA 172 .162/ .250/ .221/ .471 BABiP: 219 HR: 2
Dodger Stadium: PA 17 .286/ .412/ .357/ .769
Petco PA 23 .100 .217 .100 .317
In any case, going forward if Ishi can post a NOT HORRIBLE OPS on the road, we could see that OPS creep up to 100 and above. And on BA on balls not in play, I still expect more dingerz on the road.
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by kennv on Oct 12, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda funny how that worked out with his home/road splits, since he seemed like exactly the sort of player who would get demolished by AT&T Park — basically J.T. Snow all over again. I’d bet money he’ll have better numbers on the road than at home next season.
by Evan on Oct 12, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy managed a lot of things badly last year but I’m not sure how he jerked around Ishikawa who got pretty decent playing time against LH throughout. I think Ishikawa is pretty much what we’ve seen from him, a terrible hitter and a great defensive player. He might improve but there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that he will.
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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ishi’s minor-league record gives me hope that he can get his OBP up a bit. Even in his lost years of 2006-07, he was still drawing walks. Of course, his batting average is probably due to dip, so it may all even out.
by Evan on Oct 12, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope he can improve and it’s not unfeasible for him to do so i just worry about that being wishful thinking. I guess he did under-perform his projections somewhat so whilst he’s never going to be an average hitter (for a 1B) there’s a bit of hope there. Will be interesting to see what the projections are for next season when they come out. Of course he’s probably at his ceiling in terms of defensive numbers.
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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be just a result of his contact problems. If you’re that bad at putting the ball in play, you’ll probably draw some walks in the lowish minors.
His O-Swing% was 27.1%, which is pretty hacky, and he doesn’t have a lot of power, so it’s pretty hard to see him put up an above average BB%.
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by Cookyman on Oct 13, 2009 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we disagree. I think TI can improve, I just don’t think he can improve enough to be good for 1B.
Sadly, TI is one of my favorite players on the Giants. I wish he were better.
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by oldjacket on Oct 12, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SGT?
we’re inventing more stats? This site already needs a stat encyclopedia
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 11, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait… so, if Manny Burriss had played a full season, would he have been in the running for the team lead in walks?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know. It’s just fun to see that he was nearly on base 30% of the time even with a miserably slow swing that had a huge hole in it. I’m a very not-big fan of isolated OBP because it’s a) not linear and b) is not an indicator of being good, but it is fun at a glance to look at Burriss and go “wow, almost 60 points of isolated OBP… that’s like… almost superhuman by my current standards.”
Although I guess infieldwise Ishi’s was even better. Not that that makes the crappy stat any more meaningful.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like GiantFan said, he would be middle of the pack, up. He’s decently patient, there’s just no reason for pitchers not to challenge him.
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by oldjacket on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Holm had the highest BB% on the team and Fred Lewis (unsurprisingly) had the highest BB% rate of those with reasonable playing time. Burriss is somewhere around half-way.
Our pitchers actually did a nice job of drawing walks with 3/4 of our starters beating our team average BB% (and Cain was only slightly lower). In fact 8 position players (with greater than 100 AB’s) managed to put up lower walk rates than all 4 of our starting pitchers,
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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better get Nick Johnson to platoon with Garko. If you like walks and OBP.
Seriously though, it would be amazing if JT could help Johnsons glove work a bit, Nick J with Ishi’s glove would be sweet.
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 12, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson would certainly be an interesting option if other “bigger” moves aren’t available. He’s generally had a pretty decent glove, but I’m guessing his injuries have decreased his ability in that regard.
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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so want this guy to be off the Royals 40 man in November. I would love the Giants to try a Rule V on him. (Roman Numerals FTW!!)
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by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah, but it won’t happen. Why would the Royals not want him? Butler’s good, but either of them could DH if they had too, or be traded.
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/ shrugs
I still can’t figure out why they trade for Jacobs when they had this guy. Don’t ask me to explain the Betancourt move in other way except that front office is dumber than Sabean.
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by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they are a strange club.
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All JT needs to do is wave his magical 1B Fairy Power Wand.
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by Natto on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smell another title for a bad gay pron movie!
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by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prawn movie.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
prong movie!
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by daveinexile on Oct 13, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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