Giants will bring back Bochy, Sabean
by delorean on Oct 1, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
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So sayeth John Shea.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/01/SPEC19VOOG.DTL
Get your pitchforks.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a surprise, but FUCK nonetheless.
No Bengie. You two hear me?
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by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d expect to see him signed, especially based on Bochy’s comments.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 years $12-14 MM for Uribe.
3 years $20MM for fred Sanchez.
If not Winn some one very like the ’09 Winn for 2-3 years as well.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also this is the death knell for Fred Lewis.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowker and Nate as well?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF IS BOWTIE THINKING?!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Expected, yet irritating.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that's one of the best lolcats ever
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My all time favorite:
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by say hey nation on Oct 1, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK BRUCE BOCHY
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 1, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So they are both coming back but for how long? was this just Sabes option? or are there new deals in the works for both?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not announced yet.
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by can of corn on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK THE HECK
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 1, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This news, plus next year’s budget (as reported by Baggs, and pointed out here a couple of weeks ago)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
…means we can all welcome Jamey Carroll to the Giants next year! (yeah…)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Oct 1, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll all eat your words when Big Heads brilliant plan to start Molina, Winn and Aurillia after elimination overcomes mathematical impossibilities.
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by MonkeyChow on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOO
Well, everyone ready for another year of LOLineups?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Oct 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
:-)
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK! FAIL ON MY PART ;-(
That’s how frustrated I am over this news, that I can’t even think clearly anymore.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Oct 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you winking and frowning at me? I’m very confused.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One eye is crying.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadness is arousing
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missed this
I’ll take my deleted fan shot on the side please.
DOUBLE SWITCHES AND MATCH-UPS, THAT'S WHAT BRUCE BOCHY DOES!
by PAWarrior on Oct 1, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he will write a 10 page thesis on how Nukes should had announced this earlier
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by say hey nation on Oct 1, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the medical staff that’s the problem.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things, or three in this case, can be equally true.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OGC is in hog heaven
Apparently, most of us are very ill-informed and can’t see the big picture.
http://obsessivegiantscompulsive.blogspot.com/2009/10/rumor-has-it-sabean-and-bochy-back-next.html
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 2, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire OGC for his honesty and his devotion to the Giants.
I also think he is drastically ignoring the pattern of the last three trades Sabean has made when he thinks his team is in the post season chase. They all involved swapping young pitchers for a position player and so far only one of those trades has a slim chance to not be complete rip off. Sanchez and Hillenbrand complete were busts. Either could have been had for the following season with lose a single bit of team controlled talent.
This also means Sabean’s plan to trade young arms for missing parts could be sound but he can’t executed it.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He makes some good, points, but also alot of straw men.
Who was arguing to trade Posey and Bumgarner? None that I know of, at least before the later lost his fastball.
I think the easiest way to make a case against Sabean is to simply look at his track record in signings and trades over the last five seasons (spoiler alert: it’s pretty terrible). When was the last time the Giants made a big trade or FA signing that actually worked out well? I’d probably go with Ray Durham, but some of those people irrationally bitter over his brittleness might settle on Jason Schmidt; either way, that’s a loooong time ago. Sabean’s actually made some hay with his smaller moves, but it takes a ton of Uribes, Affeldts, and Vizquels to overcome the Zitos, Rowands, and Pierzynskis.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 2, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two different subjects here in one package...
One: I agree OCG has been reacting poorly. People lash out in grief in different ways. I would say he is in denial right now. I think Sabean proposed strategy would work. I am also convinced he does not have the skills to pull it off. Nowhere in his tenure did Sabean have to integrate young players, en mass, for declined vets. He has no track record in handling those type of playing time choices. The Only record he has is trading off interesting farm hands players already on the MLB level that their current teams have given up on. And the last 3 contention type trades ( Hillenbrand, Garko & Sanchez) plainly show he has lost that touch at getting equitable value.
Subject Two:
The first Acquisition of Winn worked well. I would even say his current contract, over all, went well. He provided something like a 9.1 WAR (~$ 40MM) during that contract for $23.25MM. I would add an addition premium to it because at the time of signing the Giants really had nothing obviously promising in the upper minors and several OF spots to fill. Of coarse proper playing time management this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
I think Molia has been a good move as well with 6.6 WAR ( ~ $28.8MM) for a $16MM contract. Again figure in the Giants had absolutely nothing in system (thus in very weak bargaining spot) and this is a very shrewd move. Again proper playing time managment this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
To tie the two points together as long as he is looking for spots that have nothing in the farm he tends to do rather well. Even with this year’s Renteria bust he is still getting good value for filler free agents. The kicker is he can’t seem to realize when he doesn’t need a filler free agent ( ie Roberts & Rowand for CF instead of sliding Winn over for part of the time or more) of being able to make the manger realize youth must be served when it is almost equal to the Veteran because the front office needs to prove if they need to go get a filler for a given spot in given season or two. The franchise has recovered enough that now both these skills are critical and both have no real track record in Sabean’s past.
Subject Two:
The first Acquisition of Winn worked well. I would even say his current contract, over all, went well. He provided something like a 9.1 WAR (~$ 40MM) during that contract for $23.25MM. I would add an addition premium to it because at the time of signing the Giants really had nothing obviously promising in the upper minors and several OF spots to fill. Of coarse proper playing time management this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
I think Molia has been a good move as well with 6.6 WAR ( ~ $28.8MM) for a $16MM contract. Again figure in the Giants had absolutely nothing in system (thus in very weak bargaining spot) and this is a very shrewd move. Again proper playing time managment this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
To tie the two points together as long as he is looking for spots that have nothing in the farm he tends to do rather well. Even with this year’s Renteria bust he is still getting good value for filler free agents. The kicker is he can’t seem to realize when he doesn’t need a filler free agent ( ie Roberts & Rowand for CF instead of sliding Winn over for part of the time or more) of being able to make the manger realize youth must be served when it is almost equal to the Veteran because the front office needs to prove if they need to go get a filler for a given spot in given season or two. The franchise has recovered enough that now both these skills are critical and both have no real track record in Sabean’s past.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 3, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
preview button is not the post button
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 3, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this again. Ingore above post.( maybe mods will axe it.)
Two different subjects here in one package…
One: I agree OCG has been reacting poorly. People lash out in grief in different ways. I would say he is in denial right now. I think Sabean proposed strategy would work. I am also convinced he does not have the skills to pull it off. Nowhere in his tenure did Sabean have to integrate young players, en mass, for declined vets. He has no track record in handling those type of playing time choices. The Only record he has is trading off interesting farm hands players already on the MLB level that their current teams have given up on. And the last 3 contention type trades ( Hillenbrand, Garko & Sanchez) plainly show he has lost that touch at getting equitable value.
Subject Two:
The first Acquisition of Winn worked well. I would even say his current contract, over all, went well. He provided something like a 9.1 WAR (~$ 40MM) during that contract for $23.25MM. I would add an addition premium to it because at the time of signing the Giants really had nothing obviously promising in the upper minors and several OF spots to fill. Of coarse proper playing time management this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
I think Molia has been a good move as well with 6.6 WAR ( ~ $28.8MM) for a $16MM contract. Again figure in the Giants had absolutely nothing in system (thus in very weak bargaining spot) and this is a very shrewd move. Again proper playing time managment this season would have increased the profit margin but there is profit there.
To tie the two points together as long as he is looking for spots that have nothing in the farm he tends to do rather well. Even with this year’s Renteria bust he is still getting good value for filler free agents. The kicker is he can’t seem to realize when he doesn’t need a filler free agent ( ie Roberts & Rowand for CF instead of sliding Winn over for part of the time or more) of being able to make the manger realize youth must be served when it is almost equal to the Veteran because the front office needs to prove if they need to go get a filler for a given spot in given season or two. The franchise has recovered enough that now both these skills are critical and both have no real track record in Sabean’s past.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 3, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll grant you Winn, but I don’t entirely trust fangraphs’ valuation of him. By their numbers, we was worth 8M his season and 20M last season. I’d like to believe in UZR, but I don’t believe it enough to really think that Winn was one of the most valuable position players in baseball last season, or that he’s been league average this season, or that he suddenly became the one of the mostvaluable defensive players in baseball at age 34.
As for Molina, I place his acquisition closer in scale to Affeldt or Vizquel than Zito or Rowand.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 3, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I accept your quibbles on Fangraphs valuations. To me WAR data is great back of envelope figuring and quick estimates not necessarily a precision instrument. Even if we knock their value of ’08 Winn to career norms the contract still turns a profit.
Anyways I was trying to give the Devil his due. Sabean has done some nice moves in the last 3 years. He just no longer seems to be able to do it when he thinks his team “is in it” or when he is giving up young pitchers. I think his track record shows this fairly well.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 4, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
I really believed Bochy want coming back
Fuck me
Fuck Nuekom
Fuck Bochy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*wasnt
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too. Check out my stupid comments at the beginning of the game thread today. I was sure Bochy was gone.
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by rxmeister on Oct 1, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it;'s settled then?
Everyone here agrees that if it weren’t for Bochy and Sabean, this team would’ve readily made the playoffs this year?
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by multiphasic on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
But the chance for a bright future has been greatly diminished. I don’t trust either of these guys to run things the correct way to get this team to where it needs to be: World Champs.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this.
Unless this franchise comes up with 2 more legit position players that are All Star telents strong in the only skill set Big Head’s strategy uses this team is doomed to 88 wins and under for the next 3-5 years. Then the Gm will continue to trade team controlled talent that might get better for veterans that, in their best year in Orange & Black, are desperate to hold onto some remnant of their past glory. I predict the talent level will be like 2007 in about 5 years.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't knee-slapping fantastic news
but isn’t horrible news either. i can’t understand the f-bombs on this thread.
the team won 72 games last year. they couldn’t even win in their own friggin ballpark. this year has really been a pleasure to watch. let’s give the brass a chance to keep this upswing going.
(am i going to get kicked off this site now??)
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~~Pee Wee
by WithTechron on Oct 1, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They won seventy-two games because the pitching was so much better. Sabean gets credit for assembling many of the important pieces of that staff.
Where the problem lies, however, is his total incompetence when it comes to constructing a lineup. He makes foolhardy choices about the hitters he requires, overpays for mediocre hitters, and does not use his minor league pitching depth wisely. More than enough people on this site have demonstrated the truth of these statements.
I think the pitching will continue to be good, but I have GREAT doubts that the lineup will improve. The lineup can improve, but is gonna take an outside the box GM, which Sabean is not. I just fear the greatest pitching staff the team has had in years is going to be wasted by Sabean’s inability to build a lineup.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s wait and see how many years they get in their deals — hopefully not too many.
of course the offense has made people want to puke.
but no one thought they’d win this many games this season. frankly boch and sabean deserve a shot to try again for the playoffs next year. I’m really happy about this season….
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~~Pee Wee
by WithTechron on Oct 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Bochy and Sabean “deserve” shouldn’t enter into it at all. The question is, are these the BEST men to lead the team? It’s hard for me to imagine that anyone could answer that question with a yes.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That is the heart of this issue. I don’t think anyone can objectively say that Bochy and Sabean are the BEST men for the job.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neukom clearly doesn't trust his ability to find someone better
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by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This is the crux of the issue I believe…
Being a “rookie” Managing Partner, I think he likely finds it rather difficult to truly evaluate and logically breakdown the necessities of each job and the make the “template” by which to say ‘good job’ or ‘bad job’ to either position, and thusly have to rely too highly on trusting that either ‘knows how to do their job’ and thusly relies on ‘skin deep’ numbers and returns.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Oct 1, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thus is why I was hopeful the Big Head might not be back. It is not as large of ego investment to make that move then turn to the Gm and say, “You can find a better fit for where we are trying to go to. We are not looking for a fit for where just came from.”
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neukom really let us down. He made a comment about how important the rest of the season was and how his decision would be made on who were the best men to lead this franchise going forward. Then he did nothing but retain the two men who had been hired before he was put in charge. Very dynamic, Bow Tie.
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by rxmeister on Oct 2, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes it takes owners time to get their feet underneath them and settle into the job. This certainly was the safe play for Neukom. The team improved its record by a lot. If he didn’t bring them back and next year’s team didn’t make the playoffs he’d get ripped for being disloyal and for blowing it when the team was clearly turning things around.
But by bringing back Sabes and Bork, he can say that the two deserved another shot b/c they had turned the ship around, or so he thought. I mean, the team WAS better, record-wise, but I doubt Neukom has enough baseball savvy to understand why these two guys aren’t the right men for the job.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. my only hope is he grows into his office quickly and sees the error of his choices here before his choices absolutely wreck the place.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you don't have a problem with the fact that Sabean hasn't been able to build an average offense in 5 years?!?
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look dude im not in sabean’s fan club. but im not signing petitions to raze his farm either. im more w/ what skaldheim wrote — apathetic. so it’s a little hard to relate to everyone here who fear the apocalypse
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by WithTechron on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We fear the run production Crapocalypse.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Techron, I agree with you.
We can be put into a “time-out” by the McCoven together.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Oct 1, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t fear the apocalypse. We fear business as usual.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sabean did a good enough job of razing his own farm when we got Freddy Sanchez.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Oct 1, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just fear the greatest pitching staff the team has had in years is going to be wasted by Sabean’s inability to build a lineup.
I wonder if said pitching staff is weighing their options.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fear that said pitching staff is weighing their options.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain’s not a FA until 2012, so there’s still a couple years to turn it around. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the horrible offense stops Lincecum from signing a LT deal.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop the panic
Timmeh is under the giants control for the next three seasons, long term deal or no.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Timmy Is Under The Giants' Control For Four More Years
He is super 2 this offseason and then will have 3 more arbitration years before he becomes free agent eligable after the 2013 season.
by giantsrainman on Oct 2, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(am i going to get kicked off this site now??)
No, but you may choose to leave
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 1, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re crediting Sabean with improving a team that he made terrible in the first place…?
by Missing Barry on Oct 1, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
This type of analysis would make crooked accountants blush.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
give the brass a chance to keep this upswing going
These are the same guys who started the downswing in the first place!
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Nuke’em.
He’s ultimately responsible for ensuring the upswing continues, so if he feels Sabes is the right man for the job, it’s his ass on the line.
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by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
The thing with Neukom is that he has bought and paid for his position. The rest of the ownership group can ask him to not be the MGP anymore, but he would still own his piece of the ballclub.
Neukom’s ass is definitely NOT on the line no matter how the team performs.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 2, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His reputation might still be on the line, at least. Not that reputation is enough to get you fired…
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you break some kind of law, you can’t be removed from the ownership group without your consent. It is as much “his” as his car or his house.
Making bad decisions may be enough to have him removed as MGP, but he would still own his piece of the club. There is no being fired from that.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 2, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just that
the minority owners will probably give him some time to see what he does. He really hasn’t made his mark on the team yet and won’t be judged until he does. Of course, if just goes with the status quo for too long, there could be a mutiny (however unlikely), but I get the impression that as long as he has the Sue Burns stake in his corner, he won’t be going anywhere.
I’m certainly willing to give him a lot more time than just a season, even though I’m not terribly happy about bringing these two dimwits back for another go around.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the ownership group is content with what is happening.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 2, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this report is true (I have no reason to doubt it), Bow-Tie has already become an enemy. I thought he was smart; he’s a lawyer for Pete’s sake!
When the entire baseball world (fans, media, etc.) outside of SF know that Bochy has done a bad job, why in the world can’t Bow-Tie see the truth?
What is WRONG WITH THAT MAN!
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First of all, the assumption that all lawyers are smart is asenine
2nd, “enemy”? Really?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘asinine’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figures that would be the word I would misspell, mispell, misspel
Ah fuck it
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not resist.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think all lawyers who worked for Microsoft are smart and evil...
… I guess part of that is wrong.
by DJ Tofu on Oct 1, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct; not all lawyers are smart. But, I would think the lead counsel of Microsoft and former Pres of the ABA would be smarter than most.
I call Bow-Tie an enemy because by his recent decision, he has shown us that he opposes everything we here at MCC believe about what the Giants should be doing. As many have said, extending Bork and Sabes is business as usual, not a bold statement that the team is willing to do what it takes to get to the next level.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the MSM has been fellating Sabes and Boch for a while now.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So doesn’t that back up our case, at least indirectly?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was responding to where he said the media could see that Sabes and Bochy suck, but I just noticed now he said the media outside of SF
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 2, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there’s a complete consensus where you can say “everything we believe in here at McC”
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are ALL individuals!
Yes… We are ALL individuals.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shh!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are all Pedro Feliz?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 2, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the one meme left that I don’t know the origin of.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
by ringleader3 on Oct 2, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awhile ago we were rosterbating. Some people wanted the Giants to get Adrian Beltre, inevitably someone would say Adrian Beltre is basically Pedro Feliz with a little more pop or something like that. Then it seemed some other players, Edwin Encarnacion, Joe Crede, were compared to Feliz. Eventually we just decided that everyone was Pedro Feliz.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 2, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh christ
that was me (calling Beltre “Feliz+”. I’m a meme starter!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 2, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironcially
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1112&playerid2=639&playerid3=&position=3B&page=8&type=full
Compare wOBA age 28-30, in particular.
Weirdly, Feliz has halved his defensive value (by UZR) since moving to Phillie. Odd, that.
In 2009, he had a WAR of 1.5 compared to Beltre’s 2.3, despite them having exactly the same wOBA.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This news makes me feel the deepest apathy. I couldn’t imagine anyone getting fired after the team won more games than anyone had predicted, no matter what the faults of the men involved. Business is often results-oriented, rather than process-oriented.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Oct 1, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But, when you think the current pieces have gotten you has far as they can, you need to make a change.
The Yankess could have continued with Showalter at the helm after 1995, but they brought in a manager (Torre) that was able to get them to the next level. I don’t think Sabean or Bochy can get this team to the next level.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I've said before
Change would have been a lot to expect from new head honcho Neukom. It’s a lazier approach to focus on results more than process, but it’s par for the course with people who are still familiarizing themselves with things.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I hope it is a one-year contract then.
I just think I would accept the more conservative approach if we had the time to do so, but this pitching staff may be different (or not as good) three years from now. Improper management by Sabean could result in a lot of missed opportunities for much needed improvement.
What if Sabean makes horrible moves this offseason and during next season? Then you have only one year left with Cain and other players start to get expensive. Basically, we could be set back a lot in a year.
by Squire_Boone on Oct 1, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But a one year contract could put more “win now” pressure on Sabean with him giving less weight to the future.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put, Skaldheim.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Oct 2, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this news now confirmed,
as some had predicted (and dreaded) for a while now, the next spit-up will be that the Giants are offering Bengie arbitration and are not against keeping him around for 2010 and perhaps 2011.
You read it here first.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
by Al Rosen on Oct 1, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m still on board for offering him arbitration, I don’t think his pride will allow him to accept it.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
offer arb, make it clear he won’t be a starter, and if he walks, take the draft pick. but i’m pretty sure if posey struggles in 10 games, his ass gets benched in favor of molina
by sfoakbay on Oct 1, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Posey will NEVER be the starting catcher for the Giants as long as Bengie Molina is on the roster and Bruce Bochy is in the dugout.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Oct 1, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. Bochy would start Eli Whiteside next year in a heartbeat over Posey. If Whiteside doesn’t come back, then I say Steve Holm would have a better shot of starting than Posey with Bochy around.
God! This season only ends worse and worse!
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by objesguy on Oct 1, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bengie gets a deal that includes 2011, I will not watch the Giants until Sabean is gone.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
honestly, if they re-sign him for next year, I won’t really be that excited about watching the team.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tagging along
If they pursue that coarse they better hope for some dreadful weather in January, February and March then a the team getting off to a fantastically hot start in April and May if they want to fill seats in last half of the season.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they won’t be signed to long-term contracts. Especially Bochy. I don’t know how many more years of BORK I can take.
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FREDEMPTION 2009
by neurofarm on Oct 1, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am looking forward to this off season. Comedy is comedy in any form. Maybe if 30 Rock has an off-week, Sabean will be on a roll.
Adrian Beltre for six years? THAT’S HILARIOUS!
by Every6thDay on Oct 1, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beltre could be a great signing this offseason since he’s coming off a horrible, injury plagued year.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except then Pablo has to move to 1B.
by Missing Barry on Oct 1, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dives for balls. What more do you need?
by xanthan on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval's a ballet at third
/falls (“dives”) for ball two feet to his left
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHEVRON HIGH MILEAGE PLAY OF THE GAME
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about throws that don’t get airmailed every ten plays.
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by objesguy on Oct 1, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So…every twelve plays?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 1, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Rowand get into this?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it would be a much bigger upgrade to sign Nick Johnson to play 1B and keep Pablo at 3B. Assuming, of course, that Johnson stayed healthy. But the point is I would think you could find a bigger upgrade by improving the offense at 1B than you could by improving the defense at 3B.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe. Johnson and Beltre are a couple of hard-to-predict players. But you’re not going to lose a lot by shifting Pablo across the diamond, so they should consider all options.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They certainly should consider it. I’m just making the point that if we assume Beltre could match Garkawa’s offensive production (a tenuous assumption), the offensive production would stay the same and I don’t see how you could expect to improve the defense by more than 10-15 runs with this move (especially since Pablo’s probably worse than Ishikawa defensively).
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel more confident signing Beltre than Johnson, all things being equal.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except, as I said, Beltre would be a really marginal upgrade, probably 1-1.5 wins. If he’s relatively cheap, sure, he’s probably worth $5-6 million, and that could wind up being a tremendous bargain if he got back to his 2007 production at the plate.
It’s sad, though; this year he really was Pedro Feliz.
by taliesin on Oct 2, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he will anyway…uribe at 3B, Rent at SS. you know it in your heart to be true.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Uribe at 3B. I don’t like Renteria anywhere on this team…period.
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by objesguy on Oct 1, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well BORK!™ UNLIMITED is already floating the idea of Uribe being the starter at Third. Personally I would rather they take the chance on 1-2 years contract on Beltre or Johnson if BORK! is going to mess with Panda anyways.
Who am I kidding … If BORK! Will mess with the under 30 non free agent Panda? It is more a question of when.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/sitting back waiting to get BORKED
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 2, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for Grant's Rany-style "I'm done" post
I was so content after today’s win. Then I was blindsided by the news. It’s Martini Time!
by Your mother on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Poop.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neukom's poopin'
Right on the team.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been Dirty Sanchez'd!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
G’bye Fred, Buster, Kevin, John, Travis and Ryan. I know you thought you had played well enough to earn a shot in the majors, but you can’t do anything as well as a ten year vet.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Oct 1, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow aside from Buster, and maybe Fred, you sure named an all-star cast that any team would be devastated to lose.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because they aren’t franchise players doesn’t mean they have value. And they certainly shouldn’t have been buried the way they were on a team with this shitty of hitters.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what are they making combined? Garko might get a raise to a few mil, but those players combined don’t even cover 50% of Edgar Renteria’s salary. So while some will be busts, It is better to see what they have then to overpay washed up veterans
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, I didn’t say anything as to whether they should have played over the rotting mummies we threw out there. I’m saying I’ve seen enough of them to know that they aren’t superstars, and are easily replaceable.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you run with the same approach as the Giants to player evaluation, fuck track record, 30 ABs is plenty.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON’T EVEN WORRY ABOUT THE COST!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR THE CHANCE AT IMPROVEMENT! BECAUSE ONLY VELEZ AND VETS CAN GET BETTER!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is funny. Bochy loves the Vets except for Ryan Garko, and hates the young players except for Eugenio Velez
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by Speedforthewin on Oct 1, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part is
They are basically the same age!
by FairweatherFan on Oct 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AT TWICE THE COST!!
GET ’R DONE SABS!!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t necessarily need to be a question of whether or not they’re superstars, but whether or not they’re useful enough players that you don’t have to go out and overpay for another cagey vet to start over any of them again next year.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's buy the Giants
C’mon. I’ve got five bucks. If we all band together, we can buy the team, call the park Mays Field, make beer free, and fire Sabean & Bochy. I’m a bit concerned, though, that we may only be able to come up with enough to cover 3 pitches by Zito.
by Your mother on Oct 1, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Act fast.
That guy makes $2.60 a second picking his nose/posing with hotties/pitching the 12 – 6
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Oct 1, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OVERREACTION!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
by cheno on Oct 1, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/laughs at clumsy, maybe drunk xanthan
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its from dr. b. check the mcfaq!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t throw himself down the stairs (which even if he did, I would still laugh)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand. I don’t mind the re-signing.
Who else would you get if they both were gone?
I’d rather go with the devil we know rather than the devil we don’t.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MEDIOCRITY FOREVER
You heard it here first.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wan the devil that better values prospects.
by xanthan on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The devil that knows how to construct a decent offense?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he make a deal with himself?
“If I give me my own soul, I’ll guarantee a Giants World Series in 2010.”
“Sold! Or should I say… Soul’d?”
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We know this guys sucks, so why waste time seeing if some other guys sucks”
by chilibean_3 on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate this reasoning more than anything
This is exactly why the team gives Randy Winn 550+ at bats when he’s been terrible and why they trade interesting prospects for middling veterans. The devil we know has not been able to produce a viable offense ever since Bonds left. This is just weak thinking and it drives me absolutely fucking nuts.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The post-Bonds mentality has only barely emerged
It’s like they still think he’s on the team.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But my question is really: Who would you get to replace him/them?
I realize that the backup quarterback is always the most popular player on the team, but who is that backup QB here?
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Oct 1, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants offense is broken
Sabes and Bochy have been the mechanics trying to fix it for the last few years. They’ve failed. I don’t know who a good new mechanic would be, but I know I’m tired of getting fleeced by this one.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know who a good new mechanic would be,
Well the right tool can do wonders. A Prosperous Grenade on top of the engine perhaps?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, the “okay, then who question?” is pretty idiotic. This is essentially asking this group who we would get to replace Ken Lewis at BofA. We are not inside baseball people, so although we are a pretty knowledgable group as a whole, our knowledge of who the bright assistant GMs in the game are is limited.
But things we do know:
-Sabean has never been able to put together a good offense without the help of the greatest hitter of all time.
-We have not made the playoffs in 5 straight years now.
-The goal in sports is to win championships. Sabean has had 13 years to reach this goal and has never suceeded.
-There are bright individuals in the game of baseball who could be successful GMs & mangers, even if we don’t know all their names.
It is up to Bowtie, Baer & Co to interview candidates and come up with the right person. But holding on to people just because the person we might get to replace them is bad is silly.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you wanna play fantasy baseball with people’s jobs, so be it. it’s not “idiotic” then to come back at you and ask for defense of your argument.
Sabean has never put together a good offense without the help of the greatest hitter of all time.. that may arguably true.
But do you think the Giants would have been a top 3 offense with a 2001 Bonds in the 2009 lineup? Hell no.
Sabean had supporting pieces far superior. So while you can rip him for not getting it done this year, you can’t just rip him for not doing so in the past simply under the umbrella that Bonds was the ONLY piece of that offense that was worth anything. That would be, idiotic.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reminded of a quote from Billy Madison.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to touch the heiny?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-With the pitching the Giants had this year, they wouldn’t need a top 3 offense to make the playoffs. A league average offense would have been plenty to get this team into the playoffs.
-I’m not sure I understand your last point. “Sabean had far superior supporting pieces in the past.” And who’s fault is it that he doesn’t have those supporting pieces in place now?
-I never said Bonds was the only piece of those offenses. But having someone as good as him makes it easier to cover up the shortcomings of others.
-It seems you are looking at this year only. The team has had a horrible offense for 5 years running, during which time Sabean was the one putting the team together. How many years of consecutive below average offenses does he need to put together for it to be obvious he just can’t do it?
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do you think the Giants would have been a top 3 offense with a 2001 Bonds in the 2009 lineup? Hell no.
This is a highly debatable statement. 2001 Barry Bonds was good for 156 runs above replacement (according to BP). Anyone think the Giants’ left fielders this year were good for more than 30? No. Ok then. Add 126 runs to the 646 runs the Giants have scored this year, and you get 772 runs, which would be good for — wait for it — third in the NL behind the Phils and Rox.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while the team would be much much better
and the offense surely would have been enough to put them in the playoffs, I’m not sure this adds up. The 2001 team scored 799 runs, and it looks a heck of a lot better in all the the non-Bonds areas than this one does.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It works out just fine. The 2001 club “only” scored 799 runs, but their EqR (how many runs BP figures they should have scored based on how they hit, according to EqA) was 866 runs. So they underperformed by 67 runs (which seems like a lot). This year’s team, as of yesterday, had scored 639 runs; but their EqR is only 608, so they have overperformed by 31 runs (which is a bit frightening).
If you add it all up and assume that the 2001 team did not have Bonds but did overperform by 31 runs (rather than underperforming by 67), you get 866 – 31 + 156 = 741 — which is much better than this year’s 639. So your intuition that the non-Bonds portion of the 2001 team was better than this year’s is correct (Jeff Kent and Rich Aurilia were both better that year than any member of the current Giants — even Sandoval). This year’s team has just been a lot luckier.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, thanks. I didn’t realize that that 01 club underperformed by that much.
Wow, weird to see a team with so many guys average to over average OPS. So not used to it. Of the top 10 hitters by PAs, only 3 had below 100 OPS+.
This team has TWO.
Holy crap on a stick.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think EqR/EQA
might overvalue intentional walks. wOBA, I think, does not.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 2, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be; the 2000, 2002, and 2003 teams all also underperformed their uEqR, but by much less. 2003 only missed by 4 runs, 2000 and 2002 by like 15. So that may be a factor, but it doesn’t explain the whole 67 runs.
by taliesin on Oct 2, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn minus signs
The above should say 866 + 31 – 156 = 741, in case that’s not obvious.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2001 team scored 799 runs, and it looks a heck of a lot better in all the the non-Bonds areas than this one does.
Um Excpect the starting pitching. Which in turn led to Nenns arm falling off before October.
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by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were talking specifically about the offense.
Not sure why you would interject starting pitching into how many runs scored.
by DrStankus on Oct 2, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies. My impression was the topic was over all team strength and weaknesses.
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by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's cool
sorry, I wrote that kinda dicky. I’m in a mood.
by DrStankus on Oct 2, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessary. It was totally called for and I heard no dickish tone when I read it. You were just asking me show my cards is all.
/ resumes boiling tar and muttering " cover… huge… melon "
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by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The goal in sports is to win championships.
That’s a pretty simplistic and unrealistic view if you’re talking about the management/ownership perspective. Very few teams are run using the Eddie Debartolo’s “Win no matter how much of Daddy’s money I need to blow” business model.
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by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I could restate it as “the goal in sports is to allocate the resources you have to be in contention to win championships” but I don’t think it changes the point. The Giants have plenty of resources to be in contention but Sabean hasn’t been able to produce an offense that can compete.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 2, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, for instance the Cubs seem to have a goal of not being so crappy for so long that people will stop coming to Wrigley, rather than winning championships.
This doesn’t change the fact that Sabean has failed to put together even a mediocre offense with the resources he has at hand.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I miss Eddie.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Oct 2, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They crap before him. And they are crapp after him ( yes i know they started off fast this season). That should show any one just how great of an owner he realy was.
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by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope the Giants would do their, to steal a phrase, “due diligence” and find a GM candidate who knows how to build a competent offense.
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of managers, the backup QBs would be guys like Dan Rohn in Fresno, Steve Decker in CT, maybe Lenn Sakata if you could get him to come back from Japan. Manny Acta is another possibility. Some folks here were interested in Ron Wotus after Alou left.
As far as GMs, my knowledge is pretty thin, but former Twins GM Terry Ryan is an interesting possibility – the same guy who fleeced Sabean in the AJ trade. Dodgers scouting director Logan White has been mentioned, as have Paul DePodesta and Kim Ng.
Now I don’t know whether any of those folks would necessarily be better than Sabean or Bochy. But I do know that the team that Sabean has put together, and Bochy has put on the field, failed in a number of areas that the Giants say they’re trying to emphasize. Getting younger and healthier? Edgar Renteria, not the answer. Better conditioning? Molina certainly didn’t show any better conditioning this season. Emphasizing homegrown talent…sitting Posey on the bench for a month doesn’t count.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like the idea of the Rivercats manager getting a shot.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Logan White as GM. DePo has said he’s not interested in leaving SD, although maybe that has changed. Chris Antonetti would be another great option.
Knowing the Giants luck though, fleecing another organizations talent would result in Dayton Moore, not Jack Zduriencik.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul DePodesta?
Sandy Alderson
an assistant from the BoSox
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jed Hoyer. Kim Ng.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Oct 2, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure Alderson would be interested. It’d probably be a step down for him.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem with that
You have to buy into the fact that the pitching will stay as good or better, and attribute that to Sabean and Bochy. It may, but in all likelihood, the pitching overall was probably at its ceiling this year (can we really expect the bullpen to repeat?).
Because Bochy doesn’t understand offense, and even if he did, Sabean doesn’t give him the right pieces, it just doesn’t seem likely that these guys can pull off anything better than this year. Which is sad, because we should always be trying to improve.
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by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and even if the pitching is still really damn good
there’s plenty of room for it to regress.
A lot had to go right for this team to win this much. They could have very easily been a few games under 500.
And that’s not a team of the giants specifically. You can say that about every team that is in this range of wins.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still waiting for someone here to come up with a logical replacement for Sabean or Bochy who would be an improvement. And using “anyone else would be better” arguments, or “ESPN or the Chronicle told me this guy would be good” arguments are not good enough.
I want who, why, and why in THIS organization as rationale. I mean, replacements don’t grow on trees. I don’t want to hear about GMs who havent done it in 15 years (and have no interest in that role anymore), managers who are bench coaches but all you know about them is what TV tells you, managers who get along with Latin players… blah blah
until then, im fine with the status quo. We now have players who can win. A few additions to the lineup (your anger and past history be damned), and we can win in spite of Sabean and Bochy… even though I dont think they’ve been that terrible. Every manager has flaws.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my point also.
If we are booting off Sabean and Bork, who are we saying are better?
I can’t make a comparison/contrast if I don’t have anyone with whom/against whomw to compare/contrast.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Oct 1, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With these guys in charge, the Giants will once again fail to score 700 runs. There’s no way the pitching is good enough to overcome that. Just pray Sandoval doesn’t get hurt, or they won’t score 600.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With these guys in charge, the Giants will once again fail to score 700 runs.
Not only do you not know that, you really have no way of knowing that whoever replaced them would do better than score 700 runs.
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by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we'll see I guess
Considering that the offense actually overperformed this year in terms of runs scored (by about 30 — they were clutch!), they need almost 100 extra runs of performance to get to 700. That would be a tall order, even for competent management. From what I’ve heard so far, Sabean seems likely to essentially bring back this season’s team, hopefully at least minus Winn (but it will probably also be minus Lewis and Garko). That’s not a recipe for success. Happy to be wrong, of course.
by taliesin on Oct 2, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we do know that for 5 years this FO’s highest run total was 746 (and that was the only year over 700), so it’s not like whoever comes in can do worse.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 2, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we can win in spite of Sabean and Bochy
Here is your problem right there. Playoff teams should not have to win in spite of their managers and GMs. Those people are there to help the team get to the post season. If there are people in those positions constantly making decisions that are a hindrance to that end they do not deserve to be there.
It does not matter that we do not have someone in mind to replace them, if you are terrible at your job, you will be fired. The manager does not wait until they have someone to replace you with while you are stealing from the register.
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by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that happens all the time
come on, please be realistic. Players win, managers are mostly inconsequential.
Sincerely,
- Joe Torre’s handling of Yankee bullpens
- Dusty Baker’s handling of pitching staffs
- Terry Francona/Theo Esptein’s allegiance to Jason Varitek
- Charlie Manuel’s game management
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’ve always thought Joe Torre’s handing of Mariano was a huge and creative contribution to the Yankees’ great run in the 1990s.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi, im the early to mid 2000 Yankees, and I would like to counterpoint you..
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah all those playoff appearances really drag down his argument.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All those $200M payrolls drag down yours
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by Goofus on Oct 2, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t follow the Yankees very closely, so maybe you’re right, I dunno. But ten years ago it was striking that while every other manager in baseball was using their closer just the same in the postseason as in the regular season — i.e., ninth inning only, and only with a three-run or less lead — Torre was making Mo into an old-style two-inning stopper. And you can’t argue with the results.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can argue that a bullpen goes WELL beyond their closer. You can’t get to a closer in the postseason if you burn out the entire bullpen in meaningless games all year… cuz then the games that require saves are now games you trail in. See: Yankees playoff history after 2001
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If managers are mostly inconsequential why are they paid millions to do what they do. Why don’t the players run it themselves.
There was at least 5 games during this season (on the conservative side) where Bochy’s managerial decisions probably cost the Giants the game. Not decisions before the game, but decisions during the game, i.e. when to pull a starting pitcher, DOUBLE SWITCH.
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by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are paid millions for what they do because teams are idiots. there are very few excellent managers out there. market value = perceived value, not true value based on anything that can be proven.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, let’s replace Bochy with someone who doesn’t look and sound like he’s falling asleep in postgame interviews. The performance difference will be (according to you) inconsequential, but it would definitely be more fun to see Omar Vizquel up there taking questions.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
My wife always says it looks like they pulled him off of a barstool at Zeke’s.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the floor right next to a barstool at Zeke’s…
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I notice the only problem caused by a GM is the Varitek one. Esptein was also able to surround him with Bay, Pedroia, Youk, Ortiz, VMart, Beckett, etc.
The entire line-up is Varitek’s here outside of Pablo.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. Plus they replaced Varitek via trade this season when it was obvious how inefficient he was.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, hasn’t he been more or less the backup catcher since they acquired V-Mart?
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek’s not a good hitter. However, I’d like to point out that he has a .306 wOBA. The Giants’ cleanup hitter, Bengie Molina, is at .307.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but bengie is a RUN PRODUCER
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can still hit – he has 20 HRs!!!!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Oct 1, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting #4 is a RUN REDUCER?
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by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh.
and that’s not even league-adjusted, is it.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no league or park adjustment. Stat corner has wOBA with park and league adjustments, but I don’t like the way they do it that much.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek OPS+
2006: 83
2007: 103
2008: 73
2009: 78
Not exactly just a 2009 problem. My point is, even the GMs you revere make the same mistakes Sabean has done.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek had extenuating circumstances
He was the captain, a fan favorite, and a supposed amazing handler of pitchers. And besides, what were their other options?
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ability to handle pitchers has been overwhelmingly proven to be unprovable and thus, highliy overrated.
Rich Aurilia is a fan favorite. Randy Winn used to be.
Plenty of other options existed that could have given at least equal value for less $$ than they paid him.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read again...this time with bold
a supposed amazing handler of pitchers
Anyways, let’s flip this train of stupid on you. What other options? You haven’t given any other options that were available.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you weren’t sold on your own comment, why did you throw it in as a possible line of defense?
Bengie Molina in 2006 (cough)… ivan rodriguez… trading for any texas catcher… michael barrett… nothing pretty, but significantly cheaper and for the most part, outperformed him.
btw, every player is available.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take an Albert Pujols and a Chase Utley then please.
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by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Some of those were a little cheaper and none were actually better. Trading for a Texas catcher would have cost big time prospects. And again, all the pitchers were familiar with him and like him. For Boston, the extenuating circumstances were worth the extra few million.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you're really not getting it
I was explaining the reasons THEY signed them. Keep up.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s unprovable, how can you know whether its over- or underrated?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTD
has been overwhelmingly proven to be unprovable
I’m gonna have to check my Philosophy of Science textbook to sort this one out.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was hoping someone would chuckle at that.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too busy chuckling at the rest of your arguments
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuckling, no. Shaking head in amazement at such obvious buffoonery, yes.
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 1, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
laugh, so we don't cry
I’ll be rooting for the Giants still, hoping that he’s right and I’m wrong.
But every bit of evidence indicates that Sabean has no clue how to put together a lineup. One can argue that he knew at one time, but there are now 5 years, 5 freakin years that show he has no clue. He has constantly "bought high " on mediocrity. Overpay for career year: Rowand. Overpay for hot two months: Winn. Overpay for guys who are old and likely to decline: Renteria.
There are two guys in this lineup that produced an OPS+ over 100 in the top ten in PAs. One of them is Uribe, and he’s a prime candidate for a Rowanding. Don’t get me wrong, I loved watching him this year, but he’s way more likely to put up a <700 OPS than a >800.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did we say we revered these GMs? We just are done with Sabean and want to try something NEW.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trying something new, to me, is a better argument than the masses (who can’t come up with alternative options that are accompanied with sound reasons why they would succeed) saying someone doesn’t know how to do their job.
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that he does not know how to do his job, it’s that he does a shitty job.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Oct 1, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are all saying let's try something new
What we know:
-Sabean hasn’t succeeded.
-Thus, try something new.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point still stands
You are pointing out one singular mistake. He still was able to surround him with very talented players. Sabean has put a Varitek in CF, a Varitek at SS, a less than Varitek at 2nd, and a Varitek in RF just this year. Last year he did the same but even more places, etc.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t spend a lot of time trying to identify good GM candidates, because I don’t think we in our mom’s basements are really capable of having informed opinions on the subject. So much of the GM’s job — and even more so an assistant GM’s job — is behind the scenes, it’s just hard to know.
But there are plenty of highly regarded assistants around baseball, and some of them are going to prove to be the Schuerholtzs & Epsteins & Beanes of tomorrow. I’d rather take a chance on one of those guys than someone we know just isn’t very good.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if you (the angry public) dont know what it takes to be a good replacement, how can you say you know what it takes to be “good” or “isn’t very good” ?
by mlb22 on Oct 1, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the past five years, the Giants have had a team high OPS+ of 90. That’s 10% below average. That was the HIGH. And that included like 400 PA of Barry Bonds being ridiculous.
The Giants have had FIVE years to cobble together a competent offense and they haven’t been able to do that. It doesn’t appear as though they’ll be able to build one in the next couple of years without some major overhauls that the Giants FO doesn’t seem to be interested in making. That is NOT GOOD.
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know what it takes — I just don’t know the candidates well enough to know whether they have it. But I do know that the guy we’ve been watching in action for thirteen years doesn’t.
by Evan on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t need to know what it takes. What we do know is that Sabean doesn’t have what it takes to be good.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have descriptive stats, but not predictive ones.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Results. The same criteria that is employed to judge those making their living in sports in numerous capacities at every level above T-ball.
by maysian on Oct 1, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my post just above for my response.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 1, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PROTIP: sensible baseball people don’t listen to the Chronicle or ESPN
by sfoakbay on Oct 1, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The devil we know spent $80 million and fielded a team that has (by a pretty wide margin) the worst offense in the majors. And it’s not like it’s because that whole $80 million was spent on pitching.
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy winn is not a good hitter. Why bother seeing if bowker or lewis can play every day, since they might suck?
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by raisingcain on Oct 1, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's BASEBALL, Bitches!
Randy winn is not a good hitter. Why bother seeing if bowker or lewis can play every day, since they might suck?
by hokysmksbw on Oct 1, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's :-( down the stretch, NERDZ
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry people
We all know that improvement and decline is linear. We’ve got a foundation to build on. 95 wins next season and playoffs are pretty much money in the bank right now. NERDZ
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
105 wins in 2011. Baseball abolished by 2015 due to it’s pointlessness thanks to the Giants.
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by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BORK
Now and forever
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Always and Forever each moment with BORK
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always and Forever each moment with BORK pedro feliz
by sfoakbay on Oct 1, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reaction yet from rxmeister
I hope he hasn’t thrown himself down Dr. B’s stairs.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This team is going to suck so hard next season.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 1, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when the Mariners thought they were a couple players away from the World Series and everybody else laughed but they went for it anyway and failed super hard? Yeah.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 1, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
posey, bumgarner, and neal 4 an injury prone pitcher under contract 1 more year!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newly minted superstar Juan Uribe will save us!
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by hairball on Oct 1, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARGH
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Oct 1, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Oct 1, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really looking forward
to his 80 OPS+ next year
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golly!
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 1, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Least surprising news ever.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 1, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sigh
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 1, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I challenge you all to make shitload of money and then buy the team from bowtie
hopefully one of you will make it.
by DJ Tofu on Oct 1, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IF WE ALL CONTRIBUTE FIVE DOLLARS
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by jponry on Oct 1, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need about tree fitty
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
times 1000 comments in this thread, thats about… enough to sign Babe Ruth in 1919! He would help!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still one of the better quotes I've heard
From a BP chat where someone asked the BP writer if he wanted to be a GM. He responded that his plan is to get rich enough to buy an MLB team, since the odds were so much better. There are 30 GMs and many, many more people that can afford a team.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Neukom isn’t the owner, he’s part of an ownership group… there are more owners than teams but only 30 GMs.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good
More mediocrity
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Oct 1, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron will kill Giants management, self.
what the hell do these people have to do to get fired?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 1, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
’roids?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK THIS
Go Sharks!
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 1, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
waiting until the playoffs to break your heart
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Padres fan...
…I just wanted to let you know how I’d like to thank you guys for taking Bochy off our hands.
Cheerio!
by parvulesco on Oct 1, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, dick!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But his name’s not…oh, I get it.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neukom = more of the same
You talked a good game, but you didn’t walk it
by NeifiChicken on Oct 1, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Juan Uribe...
is about to become an unjustly rich man
by NeifiChicken on Oct 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UGH
I was at the game and didn’t hear about this until I was driving home. Needless to say I was yelling obscenities at my radio.
by pwoper on Oct 1, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if there was anything announced at the game. Wondered if everyone would have a good BOO if they were informed.
by chilibean_3 on Oct 1, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me for rooting for a 2-19 start to the 2010 season so that we start firing some people
by DJ Tofu on Oct 1, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me for rooting for a 2-19 start to the 2010 season so that we start firing some people
by sfoakbay on Oct 1, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With luck the Giants will go 52-110 (With Cain and Lincecum each winning 20 games) so that Sabean's obvious brutal hackage will come home to roost in spades.
Not that it would do any good. It appears that not a single Giants owner has a clue.
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 1, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I actually like Bochy
I don’t think that field managers affect the outcome of the game very much in either direction, and the players seem to love him.
It’s the nature of managing that you get crucified for your bad decisions and get zero credit for your good ones. Sometimes I think the McCoven would scream and foam over anyone who put on the Giants’ manager’s uniform – not because they are doing a horrible job, but because complaining about managers is easy.
Add in the fact that the team outperformed everybody’s expectations this year and I am not sad he’s coming back next year. Hell, I like him more than Baker and much more than Alou.
by sfmaynard on Oct 1, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be fine with Bochy on a team that didn’t feature a bunch of mediocre veterans. So if Winn, Molina, and Aurilia are gone and are not replaced with other mediocre veterans, I guess he’ll be fine. But what are the chances that happens with Sabean picking the roster?
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
one ticket please!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did outperform expectations this year, it’s true. It’s also true that the two previous years under Bochy helped lower those expectations to a level easier to outperform.
I agree about Alou, though. Alou’s handling of the pitching staff was atrocious and Bochy’s has been decent.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Oct 1, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a lot of the same problems Aluo had handling pitchers as Big Head does with position players and their lineup positions. At least Aluo would try other pitchers when he middle reliever went up in flames and option existed already in the system. I can’t say the same for Big Head.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benching Lewis was troubling.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sure was
He’s at worst an average ML hitter…which would make him one of the best Giants.
by DrStankus on Oct 1, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even if the team did not want him playing keeps his trade value from going through the floor. I am not saying you don’t bench Lewis (going into May his swing as all screwed up) but to leave him buried on the bench while Winn gets endless chances to redefine the depths of suck is indefensible.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a team win with Fred Lewis as the third best OF? Clearly.
Even a team with 3 better OF could surely find a place for him.
by DrStankus on Oct 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of liked him in 08 when the opportunity cost of his veteran hard-on was lower.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to forego (forgoe?) the rosterbatory festivals of the offseason?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part is:
I don’t know if this has been mentioned but this could be proof of something far worse than Sabean and Bochy – an owner who is either totally clueless or just doesn’t give much of a crap about winning.
Can’t fire the owner and if this truly is his first major decision…. Giants are doomed.
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 1, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, we if that is the case we might have hope. Unfortunately Mr. Burns (the largest owner I believe) passed away mid season. So a new owner will be in soon and he/she will have some say over if Neukom will be, I believe its called, the Managing General Partner.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 1, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
So if this new owner keeps Neukom who kept Sabean who kept Bochy – then we’ll be doomed?
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 1, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Selig has a say over who keeps Nuke who keeps Sabean who keeps Bochy who keeps Molina in cleanup? If so we are truly doomed.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but then who remembers Eddie D’s first coach as owner of the 49ers? The case is still being presented on the current owner (Bow Tie).
Emotionally I am in synch with you. I have a bad, bad feeling I have watched the pitching heavy equivalent to ’78 Giants if there had been a wild Card back then. I also have worse feeling we are about either run into a redo of the ’79 Giants, or worse yet, a strong batch of what has been done in Huston the last 5 years. I fervently hope either is not so.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for bringing up Eddie D
his first couple of years were pretty bad – he made some atrocious decisions. But when he hired a football genius to run the team and set the tone, things took off.
I wish Neukom would find a genius like that too, but they’re pretty rare. I’d settle for someone with a vision that doesn’t include a bunch of 35+ something players getting 500+ at bats while good young talent is stifled and their growth into productive major leaguers is stunted.
Sabean and Bochy are not the kind of guys who will develop young players and turn them in to good major hitters b/c they refuse to let them play. They’ll play shitty young players who get a couple hits in their first game, but their impatience is beyond insane.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL SFist
you so crazy:
http://sfist.com/2009/10/01/bochy_sabean_sf_giants.php
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
by ringleader3 on Oct 1, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good news for people who love bad news
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great, the Giants are now a Modest Mouse album.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
by ringleader3 on Oct 1, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Keeling probably doesn’t know much about baseball.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he doesn’t. I just crack up every time they try to talk sports on SFist.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
by ringleader3 on Oct 1, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Giants are raising their payroll? I shudder to think what that money will be spent on. Is Juan Pierre available?
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Oct 1, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bay plz
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--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Oct 1, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my fear
I grew up in the Midwest, rooting for the Cubs. At some point I realized the owner — who, it must be pointed out, was not a person but a corporation — didn’t need to field a championship team in order to make money. They just had to be good enough to be roughly speaking in contention for most of the season. Wrigley Field is, after all, an attraction on its own, so winning 85 games or so will keep people interested enough that the team will make a ton of money. But to do that, you only need an average payroll.
Sure, they could spend a bunch more on players and give themselves a better chance of winning the Series (which would boost revenue, of course), but they might fail. So the sweet spot in terms of profit is not to try to field a championship team, but only a “contender.” This is what the re-signing of Bochy and Sabean signals to me — contentment with fielding a mediocre “contender.”
by taliesin on Oct 1, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Sad thing is the 70’s & 80’s Cubs came to my mind as well when I first read this news. Now I understand why.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the old Connie Mack Philosophy. Still, though, he managed to put some champions on the field once in awhile.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A possible silver lining?
From this report,
Sabean received a two-year extension in 2007 that took him through this year and the Giants had to exercise a club option for 2010. Bochy’s three-year contract worth roughly $6 million is due to expire at the end of the season.
…it appears as if the Giants are only exercising their 3rd year option on Sabean. That would be the best-case scenario, IMO, since it could mean Sabean’s still on a short leash and could be let go after the 2010 season with no money lost. As for Bochy, let’s hope they follow the old-time LA Fodgers’ routine and only sign him to a 1-year deal.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Oct 1, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unless it means more deadline blockbusters to try to get an extension
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 1, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Damon Bruce doesn't approve
Boch & Sabes coming back, but it’s not all bad news, “Giants Talk” is done for the yr. Sportsphone 680, tonight @ 7:00 with yours truly.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Damon Bruce can go fuck himself."
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 1, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this blog so down on the only Bay Area media person who actually agrees with the Mccoven about Bochy and Sabean?
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 1, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
he’s a jackass and an idiot.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Oct 1, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and didn’t Duane Kuiper say that on a post game wrap or did I get the quote wrong?
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 1, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was off air… or at least Kuip thought so.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said,
“And Damon Bruce? Go fuck yourself.”
“Exactly!” replied Dave Flemming (we think)
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
by milesntrane on Oct 2, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but, I can’t think of one sports show host who isn’t
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 1, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why many of us tend to not like any of them
I was quite fond of the Fitz and Brooks show, until they interviewed Buzz Bissinger and Brooks went out of his way at the end to congratulate Buzz on his tirade at the Deadspin guy. That really made me lose a lot of respect for him.
I still enjoy their show a bit, but I will never go out of my way to listen again.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Oct 1, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s cause his reasons for his opinions are completely different from most of ours.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the KNBR twitter btw.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAN ANYONE HELP ME?
This is Mordy’s wife. My husband just got picked up by Homeland Security…When I asked them what happened, they informed me that he was caught bumbling the words…NUKE-EM, NUKE-EM…..
Does anyone know what he was talking about???
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Oct 1, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So… what are you doing tonight?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 1, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna kill Bork with some sliced Sabes on the side…Interested?
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Oct 1, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARRY ME!
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 1, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just burst out laughing at this comment. Hi-larious!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually wondering what the FBI’s blog scanning programm thought about the recent threads on here. Especially now that they picked up ‘Homeland Security’ Nuke-em’ and ‘FBI’ on the same page (twice!).
Maybe we can talk in “code” about how Sabean is really a double agent and have him picked up for interrogation.
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 1, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS
SABEAN IZ WORKING FOR THE TALIBAN
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 1, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean + Ackley dealing crack to the Taliban
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Oct 2, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean has weapons of mass destruction!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Oct 2, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he fed Bengie a bean burrito
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee golly, I sure do love mediocrity
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabean got lucky!
He inherited Bonds. He got really lucky with the Kent trade.
And for a few years Aurillia turned out to be better than he
had imagined. Still between dusty and sabes they could
not nail down the big game in the WS.
by bradleybear on Oct 1, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what it sounds like when doves cry.
/wheeps violently
Jesus Christ.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 1, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely On Topic
What are you drinking? I’m drinking left over Miller Lite from a bbq a few weeks ago. Nothing’s gonna taste good now, so might as well polish them off.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 1, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Elitist soda.
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Oct 1, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was drinking water. I’m too sad to drink alcohol.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 1, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol wut?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Oct 1, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spattan Oktoberfest Ur-Marzen.
You would not like it. Let me finish save from that misery at least.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m making hairball’s Jose Collinses for the Cal game on Saturday
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Oct 2, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's it
no more MLB.tv for me. I’ll be here VERY sparingly next season. To those who love that idea (all of you), congrats. Wow. Fuck you, Giants.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Oct 1, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
speaking of MLB.tv, why the hell was I charged $20 for 3 days of october? that’s fucking ridiculous
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully, I only got MLB.tv when they offered the rest of the games of the season for $15 ($20 for premium).
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Oct 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like at least another season of Swedish Chef jpegs gracing the pages of this site. Sigh.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
by Kitspool on Oct 1, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really begging to feel more like a cast member of MST3K. Only I get to watch terrible line up combinations made up with questionable parts instead of terrible Sci Fi flicks.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BORK BORK BORK!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Oct 2, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as this current ownership group has the team, I doubt the Giants will ever win the World Series. They seem happy just to contend every year and make money that way. Forget that if the Giants were to win the World Series, they would own San Francisco. They could raise ticket prices, beer and food. No one would complain. They would make MORE money by trying to win the World Series than just contend every year.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 1, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants already own SF.
I don’t see how they could get away with raising ticket and concession prices much more even with a ring.
Frankly, I’m surprised that they get away with it now. As long as the Bay Area is a two-team market, the Giants and Oakland are both mid-market teams at best. That’s really the reason why the Giants are so strongly against the A’s moving to San Jose, a more equitable division of the Bay Area’s population, a likely consequence of a shiny new park in the biggest population center in the region, would be disastrous for SF.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 1, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SF is 49er country.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
by SFGuy on Oct 2, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really more up around Placerville
SF was just a stopover.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Oct 2, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they already keeping raising ticket prices, beer and food. they have for a long time. there’s nothing we can do about it.
though, they did have a lot of discounts this year…
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no room for you...
We’ve won so many games and we weren’t supposed to. Why is anyone here?
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
by milesntrane on Oct 1, 2009 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because we didn’t win as many as we could have.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 2, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I am happy we don’t have Agent Ned as a GM…right?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Oct 2, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
\sigh
so what declining mediocre position player is Sabean going to overbid for this offseason?
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Oct 2, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Juan Uribe, Freddy Sanchez & Bengie Molina. Don’t worry, it’ll be quick & painless ful
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Oct 2, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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