McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #28
by marcello on Jan 5, 2009 6:32 PM PST
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OK, we're going to take this to 30 and then stop. I'm sorry if you're sick of this, but know that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Feel free to make a write in as your vote. Just list who you want, don't vote in the poll, and then try and make a case to sway people.
1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. C Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick
10. SP Kevin Pucetas
11. 1B Travis Ishikawa
12. OF Wendell Fairley
13. SP Scott Barnes
14. SS Brandon Crawford
15. SS Ehire Adrianza
16. SP Clayton Tanner
17. SP Jesse English
18. SP Joseph Martinez
19. OF/1B Thomas Neal
20. 3B Jesus Guzman
21. SP Aaron King
22. UT Matt Downs
23. SP Waldis Joaquin
24. OF Eddy Martinez-Esteve
25. P Jose Casilla
26. C Hector Sanchez
27. RP Edwin Quirarte
For info on some of the prospects see this
Poll will close at 5 PM Wednesday night.
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I went with Snyder this time.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jan 5, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I DO!!!
I can haz Perdomo in teh topp thirtee plz?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 5, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree
I think some of these fringe guys are kinda fun to discuss about!
by xanthan on Jan 6, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
last year at this time it’s quite possible, if not probable that Pablo Sandoval wouldn’t have been ranked at this point (he didn’t make the BA Top 30 and Brute had him in the low 40s I think on his annual 50) and Alex Hinshaw probably wouldn’t have even been discussed. Three years ago (after his middling Sally season) would Jonathan Sanchez have been placed this high? There are rocket risers to be found down here.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 6, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, good point. Hopefully some of these back-end guys will shoot up the ladder and make themselves relevant.
by xanthan on Jan 6, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Credit where credit's due
BP had Sandoval at #9 last year.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jan 6, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein is pretty solid. My subscription at BP lapsed and I’ve having trouble justifying another year. The only reason I would is for Kevin Goldstein and Nate Silver. The rest of what they do is getting to be worthless. Most of it I can figure out on my own and what I can’t, I can get for free from a number of great sites.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 6, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There are a couple of decent writers there, but Goldstein and the stats are the main reasons I still pay for a subscription. They did some great stuff a few years back, but new, free sites like FanGraphs and tangotiger are tough competition for BP. Tango in particular has done some great work. I’m surprised it took so long for a team to sign him.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jan 6, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, speaking of credit where it's due
I adopted Pablo way back in 2007, virtually purchasing the Sandoval bandwagon!
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 6, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine it’s pretty easy driving these days, isn’t it Roger?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Jan 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I’d thought to sell tickets!
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 6, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only list
The only Giants prospect list I saw Pablo Sandoval make last year was John Sickels’, which runs just beyond 30 for most teams. I don’t recall Brute’s rankings, but if he had Pablo even in the 40’s he may have been ahead of most.
As for Jonathan, I think whether he would have been in the top 30 would have depended on whether one valued his four-plus K/BB ratio and well over a strikeout per inning or his so-so 4.08 ERA more highly. I would think most would have ranked Jonathan in at LEAST the top 30. IIRC he was promoted to the playoffs for San Jose and looked good there. Go to www.calleaguers.com and look at scouting reports. As I recall, the scouting report on Jonathan based on his pitching at San Jose was high on him.
by sharksrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein had Pablito in the top ten.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
We had Pablo at #46 last season. Hinshaw wasn’t ranked, but quite literally was the #52 on our list of our Top 50 (EME and Ishikawa tied at 50, and we decided to include both). Hinshaw would’ve been the next on the list.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 7, 2009 2:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haven't voted yet
My top choices right now are pichardo and perdomo. If anyone has a case for either, I’d be happy to hear it.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Jan 5, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rohlinger
Nelson95’s quote in poll #27 described me:
Rohlinger had a great first half and did well after his promotion to Connecticut. He struggled in the majors, but it seems like the voters here are punishing him for the September callup.
I hope Ryan gets back to what he was doing when he got the callup. It’s not his fault the 3rd base cupboard was bare.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Jan 5, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No
He gets punished because he hasn’t had any good numbers anywhere, except for those ~160 ABs in Connecticut.
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by marcello on Jan 5, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rohlinger
Do you think he’ll be back in CT this year? He played well when he was here and we’d love to have him back.
by SBcaptain2 on Jan 6, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would make sense to me. Guzman at AAA and Rohlinger at AA.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 6, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Guzman really going to stick at 3B? Scouting reports make it sound like he has no chance of playing D at a major league level and DH is in his future.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No clue
I just figured he was our backup plan at 3B for 2009.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 7, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Earlier today someone elightened me on all the strengths of Matt Downs. Did you know he had strong power frequency?! He should be higher on th list and I would expect more from MCC.
Pichardo.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 5, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My boy needs some love!
Who cares that he is a no hit no glove ss. I love him.
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by camwoody on Jan 5, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pichardo Pichardo Pichardo
Here’s a fun fact about Pichardo: He is about a month older than I am.
Vote Pichardo! Make me feel ever so slightly more that I am a failure at life!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 5, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hey
villalona is a month older than I am. How much more of a failure could I have been at age 16??
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 6, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re succeeding in making me feel old (even though I’m not really that much older than you).
by Natto on Jan 6, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I felt so old the day Kevin Durant was drafted. Sigh… the first player younger than me, it’s too late for me! Unless I pull a Kevin Costner.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 7, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VOTE QUIRARTE TI-
oh.
Pichardo!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree that Daryl Maday should be among the nominations. But he probably isn’t because it’s still a January day.
by sharksrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Daryl Maday
I’m left with voting for Osiris Matos, but Daryl is my REAL choice.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Jan 6, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McBryde. He’ll almost certainly never hit any better than Rajai Davis, but (a) that has some value, and (b) his arm is strong enough that he might be just as good a relief prospect as Quirarte, Pichardo, Perdomo, et al.
by Evan on Jan 6, 2009 6:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Strength
It appears to met that Mike McBryde needs more strength to become a good hitter. His arm, however, is legendary. Maybe the Giants SHOULD make him a reliever. He could pinch hit for the pitcher and then relieve him (which would be much tidier than the pitcher’s relieving himself).
by sharksrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perdomo in the lead!!!
I am so proud!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 6, 2009 7:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Battle of nondescript relievers!
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on Jan 6, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Osiris gets my next vote, sheerly because he has a cool name.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on Jan 6, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE BEN SNYDER SO MUCH??
by xanthan on Jan 6, 2009 8:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because he dreams about having a fastball as good as Zito’s.
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on Jan 6, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for me the helium matter goes…Snyder was a good prospect, then he got promoted to AA midseason and did bad. So I remember the bad, not the good. King, Sanchez, Quirarte had their good periods recently and have not disappointed us yet.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 6, 2009 9:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Marcello and others, you had to end it someplace. And thanks for the threads!
But IF we went longer, we could vote on JUAN CARLOS PEREZ (likely patrolling CF in San Jose soon), Sundrendy Winster, Julio Isturiz, Daryl Maday and Oliver Odle. And more likely to put that future rocket phenom on the list eventually.
Next vote, I am writing in Juan Carlos Perez! We need a slugging centerf
for now, voting Hedrick—has progressed steadily but slowly in our system.
Is 26, but in 65 innings at Conn, they hit 176 against him, 21/74 BB/K
Meanwhile—Pichardo—they only hit 214 off him in 61 innings in Conn. last year
Snyder in those 12 starts after jumping up to Conn. saw his ERA triple from 2 to 6, while guys hit 308 off him.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 6, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be putting together a summary post once we finish the vote for 30 with some topic starters such as most over ranked, most under ranked, etc.
I’ve tried looking, but I can’t find Juan Carlos Perez anywhere (MiLB.com, The Baseball Cube, First Inning). Can you link me to anything about him?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 6, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been considering doing another nonGROUPTHINK top 25 or 30 or 40 or 50 fanpost, where people could post their personal top lists, and compare them against the Community list, the Sickels list, the coming BA list etc. This wouldn’t step on your wrap up summary post’s toes would it? Or maybe you cold wrap up personal top 30 lists into your summary post?
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Jan 7, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, it wouldn’t be stepping on Matos at all. I guess it could be wrapped up into the summary post, but it might be better to have it as it’s own thing, especially if you want to include comparisons to the other lists.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 7, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NM
Found some info on some wacky, out of the way site called Bay City Ball. Sounds like a very intriguing prospect.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 6, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That site requires learnin’ and I ain’t much fer learnin’
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 6, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Juan Carlos Perez talk is very early.
I love his story, don’t get me wrong.
But this guy is as raw as possible, and he put up those amazing numbers in what’s equivalent to Division II of community college baseball. I love the potential, but I highly doubt he’ll be in San Jose before 2011, if then.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 6, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perez
Agreed. This guy is probably a long way off. He’s probably picked up some bad habits swinging for the fence in a small park and he probably has not faced very good pitching. Also, remember he tore his ACL and missed the fall instructional league. I think this guy is either going to SK or Arizona after extended spring training. If you compare him to Fairley, remember Fairley was a first round pick and Perez lasted until the 13th round. I say be patient with him and don’t be surprised if he has a season close to what Fairley had this year in Arizona.
by nelson95 on Jan 6, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
a) Fairley > Perez
b) Fairley < Perez
c) Fairley = Perez
by wilriv21 on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Choice a)
I think Perez is already 22/23 years-old. And, has he officially signed with Giants? Or is he still having Visa troubles or something.
by xanthan on Jan 6, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Signed and recovering from an undisclosed surgery
…that’s what I’ve heard, anyway.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 7, 2009 2:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, if I actually read..
…something tells me that undisclosed surgery may have to do with the ACL that nelson mentioned. But I honestly hadn’t heard what the surgery was for.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 7, 2009 2:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perez ACL injury reference
I got the ACL injury info off of the following link:
http://baseballevolution.com/richard/sfprospects4.html
It’s several months old so who knows if it will be an issue. I remember last year we kept hearing that Merkin Valdez’ fastball had lost some zip after coming back from the Tommy John surgery, but we all saw it was back in the spring and he made the team.
by nelson95 on Jan 7, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
…there’s Waldis Joaquin, who was reportedly throwing 95 regularly in 2007, his first season after TJ surgery, but everytime I saw him in 2008, both in Augusta and San Jose, he was hitting 92, maybe 93.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 8, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who works near Montogomery and Market?
I’ll take you out to lunch if you vote for Perdomo.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 6, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Voted McBryde
Because Luis Perdomo killed my father.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 6, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LIES BLASPHEMY!!!
Your name is Indigo Montoya?!?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 6, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Marcello’s next poll will be something like name the biggest, or 3 or 5 biggest surprises that will come out of the Giants’ minor league system.
I got dibs on JC Perez slugging at San Jose.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 6, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Where is the Surkamp love???
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by The Thrill on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zero votes in like 10 straight polls. Game over man.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Jan 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe next year :(
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by The Thrill on Jan 7, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it’s worth, I like him too, I just couldn’t justify keeping him on the poll.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 7, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we did it Luis!!!! HUZZAH!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 6, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
Great stuff. I really hope they start making that movie.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 7, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not been following these discussions recently, but was wondering why Snyder hasn’t got on yet. I know he got lit up after promotion to CT but it seems a little harsh to penalize him that harshly for less than half a years pitching. He followed up a good year in Augusta by leading the San Jose staff (the other 5 of who have been on for a while) in both ERA & tRA before being promoted. He’s also a year younger than Pucetas & English & has put up better K rates than Pucetas & Tanner the last couple of years & the same as Alderson at San Jose last year.
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by GiantFan on Jan 7, 2009 5:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to me for the last 3-4 voting threads!
by xanthan on Jan 7, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he plateaued? I think the masses are frightened off by the poor half-season. For prospects a little bad news seems to send them plummeting down the list.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Jan 7, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ref. Phil Hughes
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Jan 7, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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