BoTB on Verducci Effect candidates for 2009
BotB lists out a few Verducci Effect candidates for 2009, Timmy amongst them.
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I'm more concerned about Sanchez
95 ip in 2006
73 ip in 2007
158 ip in 2008 (w/ arm issues)
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 5, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions
yeah, I brought that up in the comments
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
sorry. didn’t read the comments.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 5, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think that Tom Verducci has perhaps correctly identified a benchmark that separates extreme physical specimens from less extreme physical specimens. If so, then I have a lot of faith in Timmeh, because he seems to be an extreme physical specimen. Less so in Sanchez, sadly.
The 2008-2009 offseason is driving me sane!
Christ. Just when I had finally gotten over the Giants idiotically pushing Lincecum like a rented mule in a pathetic attempt to drum up some fan interest.
Actually It Was A Sucessful Attempt To Win The NL Cy Young
by giantsrainman on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
A pathetic, successful attempt to win the NL Cy Young.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
do you think that was a wise choice?
Whether you’re a big believer in pitch counts or not, it’s not worth it to risk that, especially so early in the franchise player’s career. His innings have been increasing, and of course he has that huge college workload. I think he finished first in pitcher abuse points, or maybe second. Right around CC anyway, who many people seem to think the brewers handled irresponsibly because they knew they wouldnt re-sign him.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Yes - To Do Outwise Would Have Justifiablely Pissed Of Timmy
You just can’t hold an athlete back from going after something like this and expect him to accept it.
by giantsrainman on Jan 5, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes teams have to limit players to prevent injury. You never go out to try to hold back a player just to piss them off, but sometimes its for the best.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Do You Really Think Tim Could Be Convienced He Was Increasing His Injury Risk?
I don’t I think he, his father, and his agent would believe the Giants are limiting his shot at the award to limit the extra earnings he can get for getting the award. There is just no way I can see any team doing this in the circumstances the Giants were in with Timmy.
by giantsrainman on Jan 5, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
There is just no way I can see any team doing this in the circumstances the Giants were in with Timmy.
Really? I’m sure there are many teams that would have been more careful. Not everyone handles pitching staffs like the Giants.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Not everyone handles pitching staffs like the Giants.
pussies!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I An Not Buying This
No team is going to hold back their ace when he has a real shot at the Cy Young. They will all want to stay on his good side and increase the likelihood that they can re-sign him beyond his controlable years. None of them would risk pissing him off in this way.
by giantsrainman on Jan 6, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I guess here is where we have to agree to disagree
Since I definitely don’t believe that. When it comes to choosing between pissing off your ace or risking injuring your ace, I believe many teams would rather anger him (as would I).
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
ok, I guess I meant
Just when I had finally gotten over the Giants idiotically pushing Lincecum like a rented mule hoping for him to win the Cy Young, in a pathetic attempt to drum up some fan interest.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 5, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Pitcher Abuse Points
1. Tim
5. Cain
Zito is on there somewhere as well.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 5, 2009 11:35 PM PST reply actions
Find Me A Cy Young Contender That Is Not On The List
by giantsrainman on Jan 5, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Correct. I dont like the name Abuse Points
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 5, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Though the ~62,000 difference between 1 & 2 is pretty amazing. This is kind of a subjective format and the amount of points per pitch count can be allocated differently based on your opinion.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not subjective, but a little arbitrary.
You get increasingly more points for each pitch over 100.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
While it’s not perfect, there has been some research done that backs up the theory that pitches after 100 tend to cause more and more trouble.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
No One Is Agruing With That
What I at least argue is that the idea that the scale is the same as to when and how much for all pitchers is rediculous.
by giantsrainman on Jan 6, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
That is true. I think the stat still has some value. Maybe the exact number doesn’t matter much, or the placement on the list. It should give more of a ballpark idea. I guess this can be figured out in other ways (Innings pitched, for instance) but it’s still nice to have a statistic like this, which you can interpret along with other factors. And unless someone figures out a way to make the # of pitches change from pitcher to pitcher (from 100), I don’t think this is exactly arbitrary. It’s not perfect, but it is based on facts and research.
just my 2 cents
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
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