McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #27
by marcello on Jan 3, 2009 9:27 PM PST
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OK, we're going to take this to 30 and then stop. I'm sorry if you're sick of this, but know that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Feel free to make a write in as your vote. Just list who you want, don't vote in the poll, and then try and make a case to sway people.
1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. C Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick
10. SP Kevin Pucetas
11. 1B Travis Ishikawa
12. OF Wendell Fairley
13. SP Scott Barnes
14. SS Brandon Crawford
15. SS Ehire Adrianza
16. SP Clayton Tanner
17. SP Jesse English
18. SP Joseph Martinez
19. OF/1B Thomas Neal
20. 3B Jesus Guzman
21. SP Aaron King
22. UT Matt Downs
23. SP Waldis Joaquin
24. OF Eddy Martinez-Esteve
25. P Jose Casilla
26. C Hector Sanchez
For info on the prospects see this
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I WILL VOTE QUIRARTE TIL I DIE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 3, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Relief pitchers are boring. I’m writing in Juan Carlos Perez. He hit a gazillion homers in JC ball and is boys with Danny Almonte. Much more interesting.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jan 3, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Danny Almonte the 35 yr old in the LLWS?
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 3, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Carlos Perez
It is going to be interesting watching this kid. He is coming off an injury and they said he should be ready in January. Where will he begin the season – Augusta or extended ST?
by wilriv21 on Jan 4, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve been voting quirarte til i die for the last five or so rounds. no reason to stop now.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 4, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 3, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe that my high-in-the-thread endorsement of Pichardo at #26 has driven his strong showing so far for #27.
I would also note that his name reminds me of Captain Picard, which can only be a good thing.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I will once again offer a bribe for a Perdomo vote
Just name your price.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 4, 2009 2:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My price...
If you vote for Quirarte, I’ll lie to you about voting for Perdomo.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Jan 4, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tempting…I’ll get back to you on that one.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 4, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sndyer. I would have probably put him in after King.
by xanthan on Jan 4, 2009 6:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I think Snyder has been the biggest snub so far. Especially when you consider the placement of Pucetas, Martinez, etc.
by mxmob33 on Jan 4, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that we finally got Hector on the list, I went with Benjamin David Snyder. Although he may have a lower potential than some, I think he’s more likely to achieve what potential he has. And I concede that he could easily not be in the Top 30 next year, after we see Perdomo, Perez, and some others.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Jan 5, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it shocked me when I realized the Charlie Culberson hadn’t ever been listed even as a tester. He had a brutal introduction to full season ball, for sure, but it’s hard to imagine he’s not even in the conversation for one of the organization’s top 30 prospects. I think that one makes biggest snub.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 5, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that’s what happens when you make 50 errors in a season.
by xanthan on Jan 5, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. Just inspecting my own instincts, I’ve never felt like voting for him (or I would have noticed long ago that he was absent from the lists) but it now seems odd to me that he’s gone completely unmentioned for so long. Clearly some of my logic circuits are misfiring.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 5, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree that Charlie Culberson should be a tester. He has had experience at it, testing the Giants’ patience all summer long. :)
Seriously though, as the #52 overall pick in 2007, Charlie deserves at least to be a tester.
by sharksrog on Jan 5, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#52 you say?
Yeah, I could see him at #52 on our list…..
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Culberson
was a highly rated prospect out of high school (almost even with Noonan). He possesses more range and a better arm. He has some decent offensive potential also. He did have a horrendous 35 errors this year and that obviously effected the other parts of his game which were solid in 2007 (Batting Average, Base Stealing). The good thing is that he is young and I hope he repeats Augusta this year. I probably have him rated a bit higher than most, but he should be in most everyone’s top 40 or 50 list.
by nelson95 on Jan 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was never rated anywhere close to Noonan as far as I remember.
by Dan from NM on Jan 5, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Noonan was the 32nd player taken and Culberson was the 51st player taken, both in the 2007 draft. I guess it depends on your definition of close.
by nelson95 on Jan 5, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona League ranking
Culberson was the 15th ranked prospect by BA in the Arizona League in 2007. Noonan was ranked 3rd.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/264877.html
by nelson95 on Jan 5, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were talking about their rankings pre-draft (“out of high school”). BA had Noonan around 40ish, and Culberson wasn’t in the top 100.
by Dan from NM on Jan 6, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right. I think the pre-draft rankings from BA might be premium stuff or I just couldn’t find it. I don’t remember anyone saying that they thought Culberson was a reach at 51 although I remember a lot of people saying that Jackson Williams was a reach. Someone else posted that Baseball Prospectus had Culberson as a two star prospect, equal to Pablo Sandoval after the 2007 season and ranked around 10th in Giants prospects.
My point is that before this last disasterous season, he was pretty commonly mentioned as a top 10-20 prospect and I think he is young enough to make a comeback.
by nelson95 on Jan 6, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pichardo
Go with the guy with the best arm at this point…
My adopted son would like to thank you all for the support, and he looks forward to meeting everybody in Arizona soon…
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on Jan 4, 2009 7:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pichardo
Go with the guy with the best arm at this point…
My adopted son would like to thank you all for the support, and he looks forward to meeting everybody in Arizona soon…
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on Jan 4, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
3 remaining spots
I went back to my list that I compiled at the beginning of this and the top remaining candidates are:
Culberson
Pichardo
Rohlinger
Matos
McBryde
Culberson was never added, even as a tester, so he’s out. Perdamo wasn’t even selected in the Rule 5 yet. I think I would now place him after Pichardo and before Rohlinger.
I still think the fireballing Pichardo deserves the next spot. He had a solid season at AA and is the second highest remaining guy from Sickels list just behind Perdomo. He also owns a 40 man roster spot which should help his chances at getting a shot in the majors this year. Pichardo has proven more than Joaquin in the pros at this point and I believe he is a better prospect than either Quirarte or Matos.
I think the relievers have been splitting the vote.
by nelson95 on Jan 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m with Quirarte again cz ya need closers. And he produced in the Northwest.
But lets get JCPerez on the ballot, ya need sluggers too.
They hit 339 off Pichardo in the Arizona fall league this year. If his arm is so great, and he’s been in the minors since 2003, there seems to be a problem learning how to pitch.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Mark Grieb.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Jan 4, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pichardo vs. Quirarte
Pichardo is only one year older than Quirarte and is pitching at a much higher level (AA vs. Rookie league). The Arizona Fall league stats are not that useful due to the low amount of innings pitched. I wouldn’t use that as a gauge. Compare his AA stats from the season. Pichardo was 17 years old in 2003, so where is the problem learning how to pitch?
Quirarte is a good prospect and I bet someone could come up with good reasoning on why he is better than Pichardo. You didn’t.
by nelson95 on Jan 4, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mcbryde
toolz.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't touch Matos!
I can’t touch Matos either.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Jan 5, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got this weird mental image association with Matos. Every time I hear his name I think of this:
And I’m not even Jewish.
by xanthan on Jan 5, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Should a relief pitcher who just turned 22 and pitched quite well but not fantastically in short-season A ball be ranked higher as a prospect than a rule 5 draftee who is considered to have at least a decent shot at the majors in 2009 and two players who actually performed in the majors in 2008, particularly when the draftee is 24 and the two players who performed in the majors are only 24 and 25, respectively?
How about over the 23-year-old also out of college who pitched one level lower but dominated with a54/3 K/BB ratio, a .159 opponents’ batting average and a sparkling 3.92 ground out to air out ratio?
I’m not necessarily saying Quirarte doesn’t deserve to be leading over Matos, Rohlinger and Nicholson. I’m merely asking the question.
By the way, Quirarte’s 33/9 K/BB ratio in just 29.2 innings was impressive, and his 2.12 ERA would have been even lower if not for a tough outing in his very first appearance out of college.
Probably Augusta for Edwin in 2009, or does he know the way to San Jose? Augusta for Nicholson too? And Fresno for Matos and Rohlinger?
by sharksrog on Jan 5, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d throw Pichardo in that mix too (naturally). He’s only 23 (as of October) and had a pretty good year at AA. I’d say that’s gotta be worth more than Quirarte.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 5, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Consideration
I think Kelvin Pichardo deserves consideration, since as you say, he did have a good AA season at age 22. But he’s a fly ball pitcher who walks a lot of hitters, which to me says too many two-run homers.
Kelvin just got CLUBBED in the Arizona Fall League (9.82 ERA), although he did strike out nearly a batter per inning and induced more ground balls.
by sharksrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quirarte's good but....
There are some very good reasons why he should be ranked lower than Pichardo, Perdomo, Matos, and Otero. Yeah, Quirarte did well in the Northwest league, but his stats pale in comparison to Otero’s 2007 stats in the same league and Otero did nothing to diminish his standing this year racking up 30 something saves between two teams.
I don’t think too many voters are taking age vs. level into account when they are voting. I’m pretty sure that Pichardo, Perdomo, and Matos would also dominate at low A and they aren’t that much older than Quirarte.
I tend to cut Nicholson a little more slack as this was his rebound year after injury, but I still think Snyder and Maday deserve to be ranked higher. Both Snyder and Maday were dominant during the first half of the year, before struggling after promotions to Connecticut. Maday rebounded after getting to San Jose. Maday was every bit as dominant as Barnes was in the first half of the year in Augusta.
Rohlinger had a great first half and did well after his promotion to Connecticut. He struggled in the majors, but it seems like the voters here are punishing him for the September callup.
SFDugout has started there top 50 list and they are ranking Quirarte at #48.
http://www.sfdugout.com/content/publish/minors/2009_Top_50_Giants_Prospects_50-46.shtml
by nelson95 on Jan 5, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m mostly just voting Quirarte because I like his name tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 5, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GIRLZ R NEVUR SEREUS BASEBALL FANS
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 5, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S SO CUTE OMGGG
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 5, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 5, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Otero
Danny Otero is said to be working on his change up this winter, realizing his role in the bigs might wind up being long relief. Danny graduated from Duke (and then played his final collegiate year in Florida), so he’s a pretty bright boy.
Danny has a nice breaking pitch, but he needs to put the ball where he wants it in order to be successful.
by sharksrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe quirarte and quinowski should be considered as a single entry.
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by foothillsfan on Jan 5, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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