joe crede
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 9:10 AM PST
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joe crede had his workout in front of scouts yesterday in arizona. rumor had it, that te giants had people there, although i have yet to find anybody to comment on what they saw. did i miss something ? help a brother out... also, ken rosenthal suggested that the giants may be looking at abreu as a cheaper alternative to manny. i'm not sure he's a fit. if you believe everything you read online ( it IS all true, afterall)... giants sound busy.
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crede or aurillia
i guess the giants are trying to decide…
At this point, I think every positional player is going to be rumored to go to the Giants.
meh
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 29, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions
If its Crede vs. Aurilia...
I would DEFINITELY rather have Crede, especially since they’ll probably be roughly the same price. Crede has got the bad back, but he does have something Aurilia doesn’t have: upside.
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
Never.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Is there any information about the Giants interest in Joe Crede on this site?
by lincysgiants on Jan 29, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
None.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I see our last pick up this FA year is going to be Crede, Aurilia, or Nomar.
Crede – According to MLBtraderumors.com, he wants 5.1 mil + incentives after his successful workout. That’s a lot of change for a man trying to rebuild his value. The good news is that it seems only the twins and us are interested, and somehow i doubt he wants to play in minnesota (bad back + atrificial turf, ewww). I think we could get him for a deal of 4 mil guaranteed and 2 mil in incentives.
Aurilia – I love him, really i do, but really it’s time to go. Aurilia is a known commodity and was a great giant but i think we would want more from him than he could provide. I love seeing him around and i would love to see him back in the playoffs as a giant to maybe win a ring… but nostalgia is too costly on this one. Besides he has a bunch of suitors so his price will go up a bit (Phillies, us, and i think a couple more) and I don’t think he will be worth his contract.
Nomar – I see him as the dark horse of signings. He could provide some nice pop and his OCD molestation of batting gloves would get real old real fast. However if he can be had for a 3-4 million and stayed healthy, he could be pretty dangerous.
Overall I think id love to have Crede over the others, but Aurilia i guess i could live with in the end. I think Nomar goes to the Phillies.
this
Joe Crede Workout
By Tim Dierkes [January 29 at 12:05pm CST]
THURSDAY: Christensen heard Crede looked good at the workout and drew new contract offers (none from the Twins). Crede apparently wants a base salary above the $5.1MM he earned last year, plus incentives.
WEDNESDAY: According to Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Joe Crede worked out for scouts in Arizona today. The Twins were apparently in attendance. We’ll update the post if more attendees are revealed; the Giants were supposed to be there according to Nick Cafardo.
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Crede apparently wants a base salary above the $5.1MM he earned last year, plus incentives
LOL
by chilibean_3 on Jan 29, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, which is the amount he made last year… Crede and Boras have some brass balls that’s for sure.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I think Aurilia would be okay, if he were to play 2nd base for a year on the Giants. It would likely improve the position (with the bat at least, although, who knows about the glove), and it would be good to ease one of the young three (Velez, Burriss, Frandsen) into the position.
Of course it would also depend on how Aurilia would feel about being benched for a younger player if one of them comes around.
But that’s honestly the only thing I’d be okay with regarding Aurilia, mostly because I’d much prefer a Phelps/Ishikawa platoon at 1st base, and Sandoval needs to be in the lineup every day, even if that means he’s playing 3rd base.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jan 29, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
frandsen gives us as much as aurillia for a lot less. i don’t see signing aurillia for 2nd.
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
You might be right...
But we don’t really know what Frandsen is actually capable of, and we have a better idea what Aurilia is capable of…
And really, ‘a lot less’ doesn’t mean much when we’re basically talking a million dollar contract for a year.
And like I said, it would have to be under the stipulation that Aurilia wouldn’t mind being benched.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jan 29, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
We don’t know what frandsen is capable, but i know he will be better at second than Aurilia will be.
Aurilia, at this point, is a 1B/3B platoon guy. He wouldn’t totally embarass himself anywhere in the infield for a couple days… but more than that you are going to have problems. Basically he is good to give renteria a break, but if renteria hits the DL don’t expect Aurilia to slide into SS / 2B / 3B for an extended period of time. Of course, with Bochy, there might be different thinking on that, and that makes me scurred.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Aurilia would be the league’s worst defensive 2B, and by a lot. And offensively he’d be middle of the pack. Bad idea.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 29, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Aurillia the middle infielder
Remembering that Brian Bocock began last season as the starting shortstop and that Eugenio Velez started some games at the keystone, it is interesting to note that Richie played only three innings at second base and none at shortstop.
Of the 3
I’d probably rather have Nomar. He can play a few different infield positions and when healthy is probably the best hitter of the bunch too. The problem being he is NEVER healthy. So meh.
Yeah, but he’d just end up on the retirement DL, which would mean he wouldn’t be able to be an active retiree while he’s out, which would mean that he’d have to play for somebody.
Or something. That sounded a lot snappier in my head.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I think he’s headed to retirement unless someone blows him away with decent money and guaranteed plate apprearances. Then again, any guarantee of PA wouldnt happen since he would probably break some unknown bone in his body that requires a rare new zealand squid’s ink to heal.
Nomar would be the best hitter of the 3, but hes also the most guaranteed to end up on the DL.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
he wants 5.1 mil + incentives after his successful workout. That’s a lot of change for a man trying to rebuild his value.
I think getting a $5.1 million 1-year deal is a tremendous way to establish one’s value. I’m going to try that here at my job.
I’ll keep you posted.
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I can’t believe after surgeries everyone in the league raised their eyebrow to and it being so near to spring training he can make such a demand. I guess knowing that he will sign for one year Boras is demanding a premium.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
So’s your face!
Ooooh, burn!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
really varitek aint going anywhere else and he managed to get that much out of the red sox. Oy.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
One can only hope that Management is not dumb enough to play Crede over Pablo. As the weak side of a platoon, or as plan B – fine.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Or they get platooned, though it would be a dumb platoon, since they’re basically both lefties.
I know I’m the only one, but I really want Pablo catching in AAA.
no way pablo goes to AAA . they need his bat now.
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
They need *A* bat now
Who knows if it’s Sandoval’s. It’s not going to take long for the league to figure out that he’ll swing at pitches that bounced on their way through the other batter’s box.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
i’ll take pablo swiging at bad balls over most of the line-up swinging at good balls
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
i disagree
just like how they figured out Big Money Molina? I doubt it. Pablo, like Molina, has such a large strike zone that its almost impossible to junk ball him. I’m not saying that he won’t strike out, i’m saying that he will be a pest in the box since it’s hard to set up pitches especially when pablo is on.
Pablo is not returning to AAA.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 29, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Bengie is no free swinger
Compared to Pablo, Bengie is no free swinger. Last season Pablo swung at 53.8% of all pitches outside the strike zone (quite possibly making the ONLY player who swung at more balls than he took), while Bengie has averaged “only” 34.8% swings at pitches outside the strike zone.
Pablo was more than 50% more likely to swing at a bad ball last season than Bengie. I think your sarcastic comment “just like they figured out Big Money Molina?” isn’t quite as right-on as you might think.
I actually think your comment was a good one — but not QUITE on target (although not WAY off, either).
Well if the difference is 19%, that is pretty large. Both are considered junk ball hitters that will swing at pitches well beyond the zone. I guess Molina might be willing to take a pitch more than Pablo here and there, but pitchers will approach both hitters the same in regards to their strike zone.
Those are some good numbers shark, it’s fun to know the differences between the two despite them looking so similar.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 30, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
To be honest
To be honest, I was rather surprised myself. And I do think Pablo will improve somewhat in that regard with more experience.
Yeah
i agree, i just don’t think he will have any sophmore slump like so many hitters (and pitchers) do. With a couple more years he could turn into a more athletic Bengie Molina, and I am totally okay with that.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 31, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting
My agreement won’t be popular, Evan, but to some extent I agree with you. In terms of a single postion, if Pablo can play behind the plate, his bat has its greatest value. And we shouldn’t forget that in 2007 he had the 4th-highest percentage of runners thrown out and that in 2008 he finished 3rd — and with a combined percentage not far below 50%.
What I think would make for a nice compromise between further developing his catching and keeping his bat in the lineup at the major league level would be to have Bengie Molina tutor Pablo as Bengie’s backup. That way Pablo could get more experience at all THREE of his positions.
put enough blood in the water…. here comes sharksrog !
get your reading glasses !
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Why? In My Judgement Pablo Sandoval Being Sucessful At 3B Is Best Long Term For Giants
It keeps catcher open long term for Buster Posey and 1B open long term for Angel Villalona.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
3b
next winter, don’t let pablo go to the dominican. make him spend a month at the athletes performance center in arizona. (or 2 months)… it would be such a boost to the franchise if he could be an avg. defensive 3b.
because that is where he is most valuable. If you’re not “going for it” then you need to maxamize every asset you have, and these signings have been more to sell tickets than to win a title. If Posey is blocked then you can trade him or move him to third as needs be.
Buster Posey to shortstop
Where’s wilriv? If Pablo proves he can catch, Buster can play either position on the left side of the infield. No need to trade him, especially since he’s the best third-base prospect in the entire system.
Did you ring?
Reading the scouting reports think we can say Pablo Sandoval is a corner infielder – preferably a 3b. Now the good news from Andrew Baggs is that Jackson Williams had a great intructx and his stock has shot up in the organization.
If Jacks proves out to be great defensively and found his stroke SF will have some more great options. Posey could be the next Biggio.
I don’t even think that’s a good idea.
Crede’s career line is below what we could expect from Ishikawa if Ishikawa turns out to be yet another typical Giants first base prospect. I’d be fine with signing Crede if someone could reassure me that it’s just insurance against the worst case scenario from Sandoval’s glove or Ishi’s bat.
I don’t think we’re trading Bengie this year, just accept it as given.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Well, if Crede is signed, you have to ask yourself. Who would you rather give playing time at first to? Sandoval or Ishikawa? I think it’s a pretty easy choice to make.
It is. But I think that the choice between Ishikawa and Crede is really not so clear, and I know which way Bochy will go.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
I think the last I looked, I had Crede at about .5 more wins over Ishikawa (assuming that Crede can play for 350 PAs). With the separation gap becoming bigger and bigger the more Crede played.
It all hinges on how well Pablo can defend at third base, which I think is up in the air. I don’t know. Part of me sees him being bad and the other part sees him being terrible.
I think 5 run separation between two hard to project players (they both have huge season to season swings in value) isn’t really worth paying for. And it’s worth it to give the younger, healthier guy a shot.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Crede has actually been steady when he’s played. Good power, good glove, lousy plate discipline. Travis Ishikawa is anybodies guess.
lousy ?
he doesn’t walk, but he’s not a high strikeout guy either. he’s no feliz, in other words…
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I don't understand any level of Crede love at all
What does exchanging a healthy Feliz for a rickety Crede get us?
I’d rather let the Sandoval experiment play out, and then perhaps take a good look at Beltre next year.
Your point about whether or not it’s more valuable to see what Ishikawa can do is appropriate. But, it’s almost going to depend on how Pablo can play defense at third base.
That’s true. I think using Sandoval at third and Ishi at first has both the highest possible payoff and the most downside of all the roster constructions we’re considering. But I don’t think we have a shot at the wildcard and there’s no points for second place in the NL West, so the Giants shouldn’t play it safe this year.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Yeah, I think Sandoval at third has an even bigger crash or succeed ratio than Ishikawa. Ishikawa should defend at first and he might hit, but I could literally see Sandoval be among the worst defenders at third base. Him playing third just seems too much like a round peg (no fat jokes!) in a square hole. And ultimately, despite what the Giants say publicly, I don’t think they are totally comfortable with the idea.
I’m not comfortable with it either. But there’ no point in being risk averse with an 83 win team. If it turns out Pablito can man the hot corner, then we’ve found a place for his bat. If not, we’re an 81 win team instead. Big whoop.
They should look for insurance plans, but they should make the high stakes moves.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
It's too bad Pablo can't play 2nd
Dan Uggla somehow ranks as an average defender at 2nd last year even though if you ever watch him he’s quite possibly one of the worst defenders I have ever seen play second base. One reason why I’m still kind of skeptical of defensive stats.
I mean can Pablo really be that bad? My head tells me yes, but silly stats tell me he might only be slightly below average. Two things in his favor are soft hands, and a strong arm, which should help him play well at third. But he’s going to have very limited range, which obviously hurts him. But my guess is he would more than make up for it with his bat. I’d rather have Pablo at 3rd than first, when we have Ishikawa around, who I believe can hit a bit too. So say no to Crede. Will be interesting to see what happens to Pablo over the long haul though, Idk that the Giants long term are sold on his ability to play any of his 3 positions defensively for very long. He might be trade bait in a few years.
probaby because you watched his epic performance at the allstar game ?
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Awesome
The idea of Pablo at second is an awesome one. A recent article showed that with players fast enough to play second base and arms strong enough to play third, the taller ones usually played the hot corner, with the shorter ones winding up at the keystone.
So Pablo is built just right for second base — height-wise, if not girth-wise.
I doubt that Pablo will wind up there, but any added position enhances what I believe his ultimate value to the Giants is — as a super-utilityman.
Actually, I have a feeling that Pablo’s greatest value to the Giants would be to become a proficient catcher, thus becoming the rare catcher who can hit from the left side and the perhaps even rarer switch-hitting catcher, and providing some fabulous trade bait.
I would have no problem with Pablo’s being the Giants’ everyday catcher, but if Buster Posey is to claim that title and not switch positions with Pablo or someone else to a position not requiring the tools of ignorance, I think Pablo’s greatest value would be either as a super-utilityman or perhaps even greater as trade fodder.
If Pablo can catch, he should be able to bring a very solid player in return. It could be that if the Giants wind up with a deficiency despite their fine, young players, Pablo could be traded to fill that deficiency — assuming he himself won’t fill it, of course.
But as a one-position player, I think Pablo could have by far the greatest value as a catcher, assuming he is competent there. And counting both the majors and minors, I believe he has thrown out 64 of 135 base runners the past two seasons. That is spectacular.
I'm pretty sure
Pablo’s arm is not in question. It’s his ability to block balls and to be able to play a good amount of games behind the dish for an entire season. Granted like some other C’s like Martinez, McCann, and Martin he can play a bit at one of the corner INF positions, but it doesn’t seem to me at least that the Giants are very sold on him being a ML catcher.
Blocking balls (sounds painful)
I agree with you that there is some question as to Pablo Sandoval’s blocking balls ability. But I think he will become OK in that regard due to his athleticism. And if he can’t block balls behind the plate, how will he fare running to get them at the hot corner?
As for his being able to play enough games due to his heavy weight, that hasn’t stopped Bengie Molina too badly, has it?
As I have often stated, I think Pablo’s greatest value is either as a versatile super-utilityman who can complement the versatility of Gerald Posey and keep BOTH their legs fresh behind the plate — or in trade as a catcher.
I don’t think Pablo is going to provide a top-notch combination of offense and defense at third base, and his bat will almost certainly be below average for a first baseman (even if his fielding there might not be). But Pablo has a VERY good bat for a catcher, is the rare catcher who can hit from the left side and would seem to have the potential to be at least competent behind the dish. That could make for a very tradeable commodity — particularly given Pablo’s versatility and his ability to complement the majority of catchers, who are right-handed batters.
Improvement
Ball-blocking isn’t the same as avoiding passed balls, but since we don’t know how many wild pitches Pablo yielded, comparing passed balls might be the next best thing.
In 2007, Pablo yielded a disappointing 12 passed balls in just 59 games. But in 2008 he improved to eight in 94 games.
makes me think with consistent time, he could provide decent defense at C.
Perhaps the same can be said in regards to playing 3b on a consistent basis. who knows, he could show up to spring training more fit than usual in anticipation of playing 3b. Note i said “more fit” not “Beckham fit”.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 31, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I still think Guzman might be a decent “Plan B” at 3B if Pablo can’t cut the mustard and cuts the cheese instead. Certainly a much better one than Castillo was last year.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Fat?
If Pablo can’t play third base because he’s fat, the Giants could always have him catch and move Bengie Molina to third.
Signing Edgar Renteria pre-empted any thought of moving Bengie to shortstop.
Cutting the cheese
If Pablo cuts the cheese, won’t the Giants be in the dilemma of playing him at Fresno where there isn’t much air or risking him in SF where the breezes blow with bluster?
Crede's win values, by year
2002 1.3
2003 2.3
2004 1.1
2005 1.8
2006 4.0
2007 0.0
2008 1.8
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Yup, outside of his career year and 2007 — where he only got 160 something PA’s — it looks pretty steady to me.
I thnk if you factor in injuries, you just have no idea what to expect from this guy.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
since david wright is not available...
geez, remember where we were last year. JOSE FRICKIN CASTILLO!! crede is an upgrade over anything we had last year. go for it.
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
But He Is A Downgrade In Relation To What We Already Have This Year.
I think we can expect more from the current incumbant starting corner infielders of Ishikawa and Sandoval then we can expect from Crede replacing either of these current incumants. I do not like this idea at all!
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Right-handed bat
If Joe Crede is healthy, can be had on an inexpensive one-year contract and doesn’t mind being a complementary player (most of which he likely is violently opposed to), he would make a nice complement to the lefty- or better as a lefty-hitting Ishikawa and Sandoval.
One could look at the situation as having four players (including Bengie Molina) sharing three positions, any of which can be played by Pablo.
And now Juan Uribe can presumably back up second, short and third.
$5.1M Ain't Inexpensive In My Book.
If he is signed it would be to start at 3B not to just play against some lefies and pinch hit. The result would be Ishikawa on the bench against not just lefties but most righties too.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
$5.1 ISN'T inexpensive
$5.1 million ISN’T inexpensive for Joe Crede, but I don’t expect him to receive too much more than half that. And I did mention as one of my parameters for signing Joe that he be inexpensive — not that he necessarily WOULD be.
If the Giants had Bengie, Pablo, Travis and Crede for the three positions, they would have nice complements in two righties, one lefty and a switch hitter who bats much better from the left side.
Right on th head
I think you hit it right on the head, Xanthan. I would like to see Pablo continuing to develop behind the plate and at the hot corner. He already seems pretty good as a first baseman, although there is certainly a question as to how well his bat will play at baseball’s biggest-hitting position.
oh we gotta keep molina in the lineup
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I’d be fine with signing Crede if someone could reassure me that it’s just insurance against the worst case scenario from Sandoval’s glove or Ishi’s bat.
Not a chance. If Scott’s buddy signs, Scott’s buddy is damn well gonna play!
Why so down on Crede? He’s a mediocre hitter with a good glove — probably a better player than Pablo or Ishi at this point. If the Giants really think Pablo is a long-term 3b then it’s a bad move, but if they think that then they’re the only ones.
I’m almost convinced that the Giants don’t think Pablo can play third base, but they’ll say he can for the time being.
Yeah, they’ve been so defense-first over the last few years that it’s hard to imagine they’re since about Pablo at third. Especially with a non-Omar SS by his side.
Yeah
With renteria at short and an offensively challenged team the giants need all the defense they can get which is what makes crede valuable, he could (hopefully) make up for renteria. The argument that whether ishikawa and pablo are better then pablo and crede offensively is a strange one, the Giants need to be focused on preveting runs since clearly they arent going to score many. The diff between the two sets offensively is neglible but the defensive gap could be wide. I am in favor of joe crede!
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
by TexasRanger on Jan 31, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Another good one
Once again, Xanthan, you may well be right on the money.
DO NOT WANT
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boros
if crede TRULY want 5.1 mil plus incentives, i don’t see a deal with the giants. i’ll bet he get 3.5 mil, or less.
Abreu
this is kind of new. I think it would be a mistake, even for a year.
He’s projected around .370 .440, but he’s a lefty, and he’s a terrible fielder. I think you only make a move for a big hitting outfielder if he’s a REALLY big hitter, i.e. Manny. And even then…
+1 million
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
stat geeks ?
my guess is that crede would be an upgrade at 3rd defensively ( can anyone verify that ?) over pablo or aurillia. he would play most of the time, but probably sit against the dominate righties, when pablo moves to third and ishi mans 1st.
also would provide ishi insurance. if ishi sucks and gets sent to AAA, would you rather have crede playing everyday, or aurillia ? if healthy (?) .. i’ll take crede.
by giantdonkey on Jan 29, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather have Crede than Aurilia, especially if we’re limiting his AB’s. I just can’t see the Giants signing him and then using him as the weak side of a platoon.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
And for Crede, if he wants to try and rebuild value, he’s going to head into a team with the opportunity of more than just part time play.
Maybe a one year deal where he can play less and avoid the DL will give him better leverage for next year’s FA negotiations?
Especially if his playing time can be presented as being due to younger players getting development time rather than the injury bug… they could say “He would have played every day if it weren’t for those meddling kids”.
Or the hope could be that next winter will be less depressed of a market.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 29, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
Down market
I’m betting the free agent market is even FURTHER down next winter, so saving money to capitalize on it then might not be the worst strategy in the world. That concept would make it even MORE important to get rid of some high salaries, even if it involved eating part of a contract.
There Is No Way I Believe The Giants Have Any Interest In Bobby Abreu
When offense and defense are combined Mr Abreu is a downgrade from all three of the Giants current starting outfielders. This is just another agent started rumor to try and drum up interest in his client.
The Signing Of Uribe To A Minor League Deal Should At Last Kill All This Crede Talk
It should also end all Aurilia talk.
You know...
I don’t have a big problem with Crede… but I doubt I would welcome him “With Arms Wide Open”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
whut
I can’t have terrible puns in my repertoire? Man can not live on snark alone.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Not too excited
I’m not too excited by Joe Crede either — but my interest would grow if I knew he were entirely healthy. Sort of like Rafael Furcal, although a lesser degree.
Yes to Crede and Abreu
I would do Crede and Abreu for 1 year and a low price. The Giants would be pretty close to contending with 1 or both of them. I don’t think Manny and Dunn want to play for the Giants. Garciaparra and Aurilia need to retire. I would sign them if it was 10 years ago.
I’m okay with Crede if it’s cheaper than 5.1 mil + incentives. I think him demanding the same money he got last year is ludicrous and a total Boras spin. and by cheaper i mean 3 million or so guaranteed with 2 or 3 million in incentives. That’s still a good chunk of change for a guy that could easily break down again or could cash in next year if he stays healthy.
Abreu is okay, just not with the Giants. We seriously do not have the room, and it’s not worth the kansas city shuffle to fit him in. I like Winn over abreu, Lewis over abreu, and oddly Rowand over Abreu. So really, no thanks to Abreu, go to the Mariners and lose.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 31, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Not demanding
Crede isn’t demanding more than $5.1 million. He is requesting it. He’ll play for less if he is unable to get the $5.1 million plus.
Abreu blows
Thats it, i don’t feel a need to back it up, he is just bad
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
by TexasRanger on Jan 31, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Wow!
If you think Bobby Abreu is a poor player, you must HATE the Giants’ everyday players.
No
I just dont think we should sign the worst defensive right field fielder in baseball with declining offensive skills who is really not better then the alternatives we have.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
I remember reading about Abreu’s “aligator arms” around the the walls. I am not too sure how much can be read into that, but that style of D is not welcomed in the right field of Mays Field, especially with the bullpen mounds being on the field of play.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 1, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing
I’m guessing having “alligator arms” doesn’t mean he’s eating fly balls up?
Yeah, he pulls his arms back timidly when he “feels” the wall is near.
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Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 1, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ummm
Is it weird that I am kind of turned on. Somethin about hippo-gator sex always gets me goin
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
So I guess in the South, little girls don’t ask for ponies for Christmas.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
matter of fact
this picture is everything i was not looking for when i posted this thread. i had hoped to discuss the finer points of the 3rb base possibilities for the 2009, and we’ve evolved into a rinoceros mounting an alligator.
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