Bonds tested positive?
by boonitez on Jan 28, 2009 9:40 PM PST
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Sorry if this was already posted somewhere or it's a crap report, but ESPN, the mother of all sources, just said the New York Times told them there's collected urine samples from BLB that tested positive for anabolic steroids. If this is true, then uh ohhhh. Anabolic steroids were always illegal, unlike the clear. His trial is set for March 2nd and, if this is true, this could be pretty bad for Barry, no? I guess he aint playin next year. ESPN also mentioned Anderson's mother-in-law's house being raided, but there was already a fanshot about that. Why are we even spending this much time and money on this anyways? Obama spare us from this madness...
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This Is Old News
It is the Balco initiated test from the end of 2000 that Has all kinds of “Chain Of Custody” Issues. There is even some documentation that indicates that it was actually Anderson’s test results not Barry’s. Barry’s defense team has challanged the admissability of these results on the basis of this and even if the Judge decides to admitt it they will still be able to bring up the serious questions with regards to chain of custody and who was actually being tested at trial. This is by no means a smoking gun.
by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
P.S. They Don't Have The Actual Urine Samples But Rather Just Test Rusults
Again, proving these test results are actually Barry’s is going to be very hard for the Feds to do.
by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure you’re right, that this is yet another reference to evidence gathered in the original raids of BALCO and already reported umpteen times since then, even just two weeks ago in reports of the filing by the defense to block certain items of evidence.
Victor Conte described those BALCO tests in an AP article in November 2007.
However, the wording of the New York Times article on which the ESPN material is based clearly implies that the feds have urine samples:
A person who has reviewed the evidence said that the authorities detected anabolic steroids in urine samples linked to Bonds that they gathered in connection with their investigation. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Now that would be news. But for
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Doesn't Say They Have Urine Samples
It says that tests performed on urine samples detected steroids. We know from previous leaks that these tests were performed at Balco’s request by Quest Labs in December 2000. The “authorities detected anabolic steroids in urine samples linked to Bonds” by reviewing the test data from Quest Labs. The authorities linked these urine samples to Bonds by reviewing the doucumentation they ceased when they raided Balco back in 2003.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to tell me what it means. In the context of the case it’s suspiciously vague.
However, many people will assume — are assuming — that “the authorities” refers to the Federal government and “their investigation” refers to the perjury case. And that’s probably the whole point, to imply that without actually saying it.
But anyway. Business as usual.
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, wrong button. Let’s just leave it at “but for”.
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s a “but for?”
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s a matter of opinion.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG!!!
The correct answer is, “For poopin’. For poopin’.”
You do, however, receive partial credit since your answer is partially correct.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to write some crazy paranoid crap such as, “But for the fact that the mere presence of anabolic steroids in urine is no more remarkable than the presence of digestive enzymes in spit, I’d say that the prosecution might actually have something here, if this strategically placed leak is true and accurately reported.”
But I stopped myself just in time.
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do love the fact that giantsrainman’s homerism extends to legal matter as well
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 29, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be tempted to say that the leak we’re discussing was probably prompted by public sentiment that the prosecution of Bonds has been frivolous, which has spread of late beyond the core group of Lunatic Fringe Giants homers, and by the desire to cast any possible judicial decision to disallow disputed evidence in as unpopular a light as possible — but I’ve resolved to stay away from this subject, so I won’t.
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of that, and I think this prosecution is absolute bullshit. I’m just amused by the fact that he rushes to defend Barry’s legal situation in this same way he rushes to defend “Pablo Sandoval is more valuable than Russel Martin.”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 29, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but really I wish you’d all just realize that I’m not taking part in this discussion. Whatsoever.
by 2X2L on Jan 29, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I truly enjoyed the Martin v. Sandoval debate
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Jan 29, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And After This Year I Expect You All To Admit That I Was Right. :-)
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Jan 30, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Sure Hope You Like The Taste Of Crow.
by giantsrainman on Jan 30, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Old Crow?
I much prefer Jameson.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Jan 30, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant Sheryl
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 30, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Anderson
Why doesn’t Greg Anderson just get on the stand and tell the truth?
by wilriv21 on Jan 28, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because he doesn’t have to.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pehaps Because He Believes The Feds Will Not Accept The Truth And Charge Him With Purjury Too.
Or perhaps he feels that he was intentially mislead by the Feds to believe that he would not have to testify if he plead guilty and therefore is not going to cooperate with the Feds whom he now views as scum no matter what.
by giantsrainman on Jan 28, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps because they’ve done such an outstanding job of creating an implacable enemy that at this point he’d rather start chopping off body parts than do anything to help the feds.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Jan 29, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLCAT anyone?
A “I haz comited purjury” image would be fun
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 29, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Truth is not the game being played here, It’s Gottcha!
Any combination of words they can possible reinterpret as false. It like when a significant other is determined to start an argument on an old issue. Best thing you can do is say very, very little or leave the relationship. The Feds will not let you leave so option 1 is the only choice.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 29, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or does everything about Greg Anderson scream “DOUCHEBAG” every time you set eyes on him?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 29, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the way he’s holding up is pretty damned impressive. Now if you want to hang him for his assist in making our boy into the target that he is be my guest , but if he didn’t do it then some Radomski or other would have.
This just in...Bobby Estallela can suck a dead donkey dick.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 29, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Anderson, he originally made a deal with the Feds that he wouldn’t have to name any athletes. The Feds went back on their end of that deal – why would he help them out and expect them to live up to their part in any deal now?
by Missing Barry on Jan 29, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking in appearance alone, but we can go with what you said.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well in that case I have to agree with you.
by Missing Barry on Jan 29, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The entire situation is a massive clusterfuck though, so you are correct there.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 29, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what pisses me off
is that the story from a week or so ago that was very positive for Barry never ran on ESPN and this is a main headline. No matter how many times they do it, I am still always in Awe of the way ESPN can be so biased in their coverage of all things Barry.
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
by fanofvanlandingham on Jan 28, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 29, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like
hiring douchy Chronicle reporters to there ‘investigative’ division or whatever they call it?
Do Lance and FWad still work at ESPN, or did ‘the network’ figure out they are shitty reporters?
by lincysgiants on Jan 29, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
such a joke.
I do not think they write for ESPN anymore. The other clown in this “posse”, the guy who wrote love me hate me, is still writing for ESPN. And poorly.
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
by fanofvanlandingham on Jan 29, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I recall Selig slipping at one time and revealing that Bonds had never tested positive for steroids, as far as MLB’s "confidential’ testing program was concerned.
by Sabertooth on Jan 29, 2009 7:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mrs. Anderson
The smoking gun in this entire deal is Greg Anderson’s mom, whom, if we believe the photos are unaltered, has certainly been juicing this whole time. I mean, really, take a look:
by biff pocoroba on Jan 29, 2009 8:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
looks shopped
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 29, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
looks ripped
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 29, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Run , dude.
This just in...Bobby Estallela can suck a dead donkey dick.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 29, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like CP
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by WalrusMan on Jan 29, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's guilty...
and so are 50% of the other players from the 80’s & 90’s
who cares anymore!
by cazzuno on Jan 29, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some of us do.
It’s hard to see your heroes laid low.
Also…Bobby Estallela can suck a dead donkey dick.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 29, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Estallela's Testimony Will Most Likely Be Hearsay An Thus Not Admissable
I seriously doubt if Barry ever talked to Bobby about using steroids or ever used steroids in Bobby’s presence. All Bobby can testify to is what he heard from Greg Anderson. The Feds will try to get this in by arguing that Anderson’s refusal to testify is evidence of a conspiracy between him and Bonds and thus Estallela’’s hearsay testimony should be admissable under the conspiracy exception for hearsay. The Feds are not going to win this arguement since if they could prove this conspiracy they would be charging both Bonds and Anderson with this far more serious crime in addition to the perjury and obstruction of justice charges Barry currently faces.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh please anyone that considers BLB as a hero needs some better role models, he was a horrible teammate, egocentric, and a cheater.
Thanks for the Giants memories but Barry dont let the cell door hit you in the butt on the way in. As a giants fan its unfortunate that HE ruined his image as one of the best players to have ever played this game.
by cazzuno on Jan 29, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Buy That Barry Was As Bad As The Media Made Him Out To Be
He was no different then the vast majority of superstars in any sport or industry.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he's just like all the rest of them.
And you are…on crack?
bringing you moral turpitude since 1963
by Idaho Nick on Jan 29, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, every account that I’ve ever heard of Barry dealing with fans has been glowingly positive.
Of course, it isn’t worth much because second and fifth-hand accounts of various 30-second interactions aren’t by nature worth much, but it is there. He had an awful relationship with the media, but that’s as much as I’ll ever say about his person with any confidence. Which is fine. I don’t really care either way. He was a great, great player.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did cheat on his wife for a long time. So there’s that, too.
But, yeah, none of us really know how much of a jerk he is or isn’t. (He likely is a jerk, at least in part).
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 29, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Know This From Personal Experience
In 1998 during Easter break I took my wife and kids to Arizona for Spring Training. The first game we went to my son (12 at the time) wanted to get as many autographs as he could. He got Barry to sign and Barry even posed for a picture with Mikey that I took. That night at dinner I didn’t see that Barry was there but he must of seen and recognized Mikey because he came over and said hi to Mikey by name. He also agreed to pose for a second picture with my two girls.
I have little doubt that he can be a jerk but I also know for a fact that he is not always a jerk.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I read that as
…with the Mickey that I took"
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Jan 29, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Cheater” is a term ESPN has made you accept. They forget to mention that “The Clear” wasn’t against the rules or the law. If you really think Bond’s is going to jail you haven’t done your research on the issue. The Fed had no case to begin with, spent $60 million going after athletes that used a LEGAL supplement, knowing full well the only thing they could do is get them to commit perjury, and Bond’s lawyers are eating the prosecution for breakfast.
I don’t know Barry Bonds as a person, nor will I ever. I do not care what he is like as a person. I watch him play baseball, and he did that better than anyone else I’ve ever seen in my life, while playing 15 years of his career on my favorite team. He has not ruined any image, rather he’s been crucified by the media and I for one will not stand for their bullshit.
by Missing Barry on Jan 29, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
first paragraph i agree….second is crap, he’s been crucified because he is the all time HR leader and bent the rules in his favor for his last 5-6 years for the sole reason that everyone around him was doing it too.
The dude was a bad teammate he had a row of lockers to himself, complete with a vibrating lounge chair and a TV set. Thats not a veteran right of passage thats someone who doesnt care about anyone but himself.
by cazzuno on Jan 30, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya.
i red He useta invite a bunch of players to watch then sit there and vibrate and channel surf at an incredible pace thats why kent fot him
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 30, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read Griffey had his own lounge chair and tv set, but you never hear anyone making a big deal about that. Rob Dibble from Best Damn has commented on that whole thing and said the treatment Barry got was not that uncommon for star players. Sure you may object to it but using that as evidence for what a terrible person/teammate Bonds is is complete horseshit.
by Missing Barry on Jan 30, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the best part about the chair
supposedly after seeing the luxury reclining chair Rickey Henderson said (and just like all Rickey stories we can’t be sure if it is true or urban legend) “I gotta get me one of them recycling chairs!”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 30, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny. I am watching the 2005 HR Derby on the MLB Net. and looking at Pudge and remembering that in the preseason before, Pudge lost like 20-25 lbs. and the media may have mentioned it, but not too much extent(from what I can remember).
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Jan 29, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
luis gonzales
through all of the steroid crap, how has NOBODY asked any questions about how luis gonzales went from a slappy, to 57 hr in 2001? he’s a “great guy”, and media friendly… that’s why.
by giantdonkey on Jan 30, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo is also one of the leading advocates against Copenhagen. My response to him would be a nice spat right in the middle of his enlarged forehead.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Jan 30, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Danes are all like “Looees who?”
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 30, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY FEDS
LOOK AT THE ECONOMY INSTEAD!
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by WalrusMan on Jan 29, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why Did The Economy Lie Under Oath
How ya like my GRM impression?
This just in...Bobby Estallela can suck a dead donkey dick.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 29, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bad. But Now You Have To Keep It Up.
by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Will Use A Popsicle Stick And Duct Tape If I Have Too.
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 30, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think She Is Going To Like That.
by giantsrainman on Jan 30, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Know She Didnt. I Mean Wont.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 30, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Winter
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 31, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tex winter
and that damned triangle offense
by giantdonkey on Jan 31, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Triangle Shirtwaist Fire!
Giving the Hot Stove League real meaning. Smores?
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 31, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bermuda Triangle
Because Dusty Rhodes told me that last one was pretty tasteless.
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 31, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Barry tested positive… for AWESOME!!!
Man, I can’t believe it took me almost 3 days to figure that one out.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 30, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol irl
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
by can of corn on Jan 30, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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