BP SF Top 11 (free stuff)
by caincecum on Jan 26, 2009 9:49 PM PST
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anyway I didn't see this posted yet and thought it would be interesting to disect. I think it's a pretty solid list but my only issues are that he has Villalona rated a notch to high in my opinion and putting Romo ahead of Kiesch and Wendell
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SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS Team Audit | DT Cards | PECOTA Cards | Depth Chart |
Five-Star Prospects
1. Madison Bumgarner, LHP
2. Buster Posey, C
3. Angel Villalona, 1B
Four-Star Prospects
4. Tim Alderson, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
5. Rafael Rodriguez, RF
6. Conor Gillaspie, 3B
7. Nick Noonan, 2B
8. Travis Ishikawa, 1B
9. Henry Sosa, RHP
10. Sergio Romo, RHP
Two-Star Prospects
11. Roger Kieschnick, OF
Just Missed: Ehire Adrianza, SS; Wendell Fairley, OF; Joseph Martinez, RHP
Ranking Challenges: Bumgarner is an obvious number one, but Posey isn't all that far behind him. Some might flip-flop Villalona and Alderson at three and four, but I can't see either player ranked lower that those two slots. Where Rodriguez slots in is really a matter of your evaluation philosophy, but after that, it's anything goes for the remaining six—Adrianza was the only player close enough to almost make the list.
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Looks good
How many other teams have 3 5-star prospects out of curiosity?
I see the future, and it is Pablo
2 so far...
The Marlins with
1. Cameron Maybin, CF
2. Michael Stanton, RF
3. Matt Dominguez, 3B
and Baltimore with
1. Matt Wieters, C
2. Chris Tillman, RHP
3. Brian Matusz, LHP
of course, most of the AL hasn’t been reviewed yet.
Other than the inexplicable Noonan-love, I like the list. Far more than that, I like having a list that doesn’t embarrass the franchise. Far more than that, I like being able to have hope for the future. Ahhh, 2009 shows the winds of change are a’blowin…
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
You may disagree with the Noonan love, but since he’s ranked pretty similarly on most every list I’ve seen, I don’t think it’s fair to call in inexplicable.
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Right Spot
I think Nick Noonan is ranked in about the right spot, but doesn’t his 98/23 K/BB ratio worry you?
I would rank Romo higher than Fairley and maybe also Kieschnick.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
well so did they
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 27, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Not a bad list. My disagreements: RaRod is too young to be any kind of prospect on a list; and I’d rate Adrianza above Kieschnick.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Villalona was one most lists when he was the same age, no?
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Villalona was further along: his swing was already very good, and power didn’t require much projection. Rodriguez may need to tinker with his swing a lot, and power involved more projection.
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Jan 27, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Lists
Angel Villalona was 17 the first time he was on prospect lists, having been signed a little before his 17th birthday. Rodriguez was signed right on his 16th birthday and is still 16. Rafael would be in only his sophomore or junior year of high school now, preparing for his spring baseball season.
Just a question, yet a serious question – how can a position prospect be rated so highly when scouts question his bat?
Cuz he is a prospect
He has tools galore, and the players all behind him don’t seem like they are going to be big-time major league contributors, but raf-rod has the potential to be a big-time contributor.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
Having tools don't make you a carpenter.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 27, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Try telling that to my dad.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Jan 27, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rather
I’d rather be a hammer than a nail.
i believe that's
when you’re a hammer, everything looks like nails to you.
small but subtle difference.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
I don't think that's right.
Villalona’s birthday is 8/13/1990. His signing was reported around 8/15-8/18, 2006. His first appearance I know of on a major list was Baseball America’s 2007 list (published Jan. 2007), where he ranked #3 for the Giants.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 27, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
You're absolutely correct
You are indeed correct that Angel was the Giants’ #3-ranked prospect for 2007 despite not yet playing in the US in 2006. I missed a year.
Angel probably had a bit more buzz about him back then than Rafael does now, but that Rafael is ranked “only” #5 is also a sign of how much stronger the Giants’ system is.
I think it is hard for us to even conceive of how difficult Angel’s transition to the US has been, but I must say that his 118/18 K/BB ratio last season was of considerable disappointment to me. I am beginning to see Angel as Adam Dunn without the walks.
I don’t think who he is has come into focus yet. I think you have to give him a pass on his first full season at age 18. But in year 2, he clearly does need to start showing that he’s both ambitious enough and smart enough to start making adjustments in his game. Another 6/1 k/bb season would indeed go a long way toward characterizing him.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
California League
Big V will be playing the 2009 season in the Cal League which is considered a hitters league. At the minimum expecting 25+ HRs with an improving BA. As long as there is progression in Big V’s numbers and defense it should be considered a success. We still need to remember that the kid is still acclimating and he may feel more comfortable in San Jose than he did in Augusta.
Big V will only be 18 years old and in the Cal League which is quite an accomplishment. We fans should not lose sight of this. As long as he progresses a level year season he still arrives in The City by age 21.
Not only will he hit 25+ HRs, all of them will be longer than anything JT’s ever seen.
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Y'know...
It’s so amazing that he could scoop all those balls at 1B despite being legally blind.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
And that's impressive.
JT’s been in a lot of locker rooms in his day.
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K/BB or HR, BA?
Which would you consider more significant? An improvement in AnVil’s K/BB ratio or an improvement in his home run rate and batting average?
Across the board. And that would also include defense. I am more patient about his progress than most because I believe the kid had too much to sort through in his first full season in a new country. He needed to learn a new culture and language. New eating habits. New position. Playing ball not for fun but rather as a profession. HE WAS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD playing with MEN.
This season we should allow the kid to continue to grow and learn the game. The power is obviously there and Big V could reasonably hit 30 HRs this season for San Jose. Would like to see his Ks to below 18% of PAs.
We need to remember he is only 18 years of age and improving. No need to rush the kid.
Wil, I couldn't agree more
Ideally, I wouldn’t even rate Angel yet either, because it’s just too darn early to have much useful indication of how he’ll turn out. He could easily hit .255 with a 3/1 k/bb ratio for another year or even two years – and still turn things around in 2011 and make the bigs in 2012 or 2013. And that would be fine.
Now, if we’re going to rank him on a list, he’ll float up or down based on how each year turns out; but overall, I’m still giving him another 4 years of development. And I have hope he’ll develop faster than that.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Only 18? Wasn’t Andruw Jones hitting HRs in the World Series at like 13 or something? Patience my ass!!!!
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Which brings up the age old question – yes pun intended. Many people think Jones career began at tender age of 19 or 20 and is over at tender age of 32. Maybe he wasn’t a teenager at the beginning and now is 36?
Hitters league
but unfortunately studies also seem to show that sJ Muni is a K haven.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Hats off to you for acknowledging your error. It takes a big man to admit you’re an idiot. (I must be huge since I admit that you’re an idiot on a regular basis.)
:-P
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More frequently
I expect I will have to be admitting I am an idiot even more frequently now that my age is higher than my IQ.
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