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Manager Bruce Bochy's projected rotation, in order: Tim Lincecum, Randy Johnson, Matt Cain, Zito, and Sanchez or Noah Lowry.
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i like me some lincecum, unit, cain, sanchez/sheets/zito better….
timmy and cain get 34 starts, unit, sanchez and sheets get 25 to preserve them, and zito get sloppy 6ths
by giantdonkey on Jan 25, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
putting anymore cash into starting pitching for our ‘09 roster would be a waste, especially when we constantly don’t have the offense to win for Matt Cain’s pitching
Noah Lowry’s recovering/recovered and that makes 6 starters – Remember when Lowry went 14-8, with 3.92 ERA? That was 2007.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Jan 25, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Noah Lowry’s recovering/recovered” – I guess that’s why Sabean was just recently saying that they don’t expect anything out of him and will consider any innings they get from him this year as a bonus?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Jan 25, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ll find your “recently” as in “August 27th”
More recently however, we get this -
“During the Dec. 27 conference call to announce the signing of Randy Johnson, Giants general manager Brian Sabean indicated that if both left-handers remained with the club through Spring Training, Lowry likely would claim the fifth starting job over Sanchez due to his seniority. Lowry has nearly four full years of Major League service time, excluding last season, compared with slightly more than two for Sanchez.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090113&content_id=3742944&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Jan 25, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s comforting to see that even in a good offseason the front office is still pushing stupid. I’ll never understand how tenure became a proxy for talent.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 25, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean Is Selling Here
It is Lowry not Sancehz that Brian wants to trade. It is therefore Lowry’s value (not Sanchez’s) that Sabean is trying to build up. This is exactly the way Sabean should be talking. He is selling that Lowry is “as talented as Sanchez” and therefore his seniority will be the deciding factor. If they both remain Giants and both are healthy when the season starts you can take it to the bank that the Giants will start then one they believe is most likely to perform the best. Senority will having nothing to do with the actual decision when the actual decision is made.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I doubt any GMs are listening to a single thing Sabean says in regards to Lowry.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 25, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sabean doesn’t try to build player’s value. he waits until they’ve lost all value, then throws them to the curb. or keeps them around until they have to be taken into the backyard and shot in the back of the head.
like when hennessey had half a season as a decent closer, and they start talking about him in terms of “doesn’t have closer stuff” and such.
sabean isn’t bluffing to take some other gm for a fool. he could have had lastings milledge after lowry posted an even k/bb rate. take you’re koolaid somewhere else.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Jan 26, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In That Same Article You Find
People throughout baseball are beginning to believe that the Giants will, or should, hold onto Sanchez and trade Noah Lowry instead if the latter proves during Cactus League exhibitions that he has overcome the forearm trouble that sidelined him last year.
I bolded if because you seem to have not noticed it the first time you read this.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, people...
you kidding me ? lowry in the rotation to make 2 zitos ??
pew
by giantdonkey on Jan 25, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
giantdonkey, if you’re holding your breath for another $100 pitching acquisition, tell me where to send flowers for your funeral
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
by Karlifornia on Jan 25, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
ok, i’ll take sheets for $100 ? not sure what you’re implying there.
by giantdonkey on Jan 25, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I approve.
I’d approve more without the implications that Lowry could bump Sanchez from the rotation but. Still, I approve.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 25, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sanchez should have the spot. It should be his, unless he comes into spring with Ankiel Syndrome.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 25, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping he meant Lowry could get the spot if we get a great trade offer for sanchez and he leaves, but that’s probably wishful thinking. But if he stays on the team, I will be very angry if sanchez doesn’t start.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Jan 25, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If In Spring training A Healthy Lowry Looks Like The 2004/5 Lowry Instead Of the 2006/7 Lowry
I would have zero problem with the Giants choosing Lowry over Sanchez for the 5th a last rotation slot. How they actually perform (not some judgment on potential) should be the deciding factor.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s possible, but I think it will be hard to tell just from spring training how far lowry has really come back. I just think after what Sanchez showed last season, he should be in a major league starting rotation. It doesn’t seem like a good idea to keep moving him back and forth between the pen and the rotation.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Jan 25, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is True From A Sanchez Only Point Of View
But the Giants have to look at the the bigger piture of what is in the best interests of the team as a whole. Another way to look at this is If Lowry pitches well enough to win the 5th starter role and continues to do so in the regualr season to keep the 5th starter role his is increasing greatly his trade value at the trade deadline. What is not to like about that?
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah Lowry at best is a bottom of the rotation starter. His upside isn’t within a mile of Jonathan Sanchez’ upside. If you’re going into the 2009 season worrying about player’s trade values at the deadline, then don’t even bother playing the season, because it’s not about winning. Sanchez has had too many stops and starts in his career already, due to minor injuries and their jacking him around between the rotation, bullpen and Fresno. Why would you jack him around again the first half of the 2009 season, when he clearly has one of the best arms on your team?? Cut the crap, Sabean. If you want to be cute and make proclamations to try and fool other GM’s that’s one thing, but if you really believe what you’re saying then do the team a favor and resign now.
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by rxmeister on Jan 26, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Not This.
Take a look at the results Noah produced in 2004 and 2005 for a better understanding of his true upside.
by giantsrainman on Jan 26, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You knucklehead.
“His true upside” four years and two operations ago.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
umm wtf
you really think Lowry has more upside than Sanchez because of what he did FOUR YEARS ago?
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And 2002/2003 for Zito's true upside...
…but I’m not expecting that to come back either.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 26, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Lowry comes into spring training and shows he is close to the 2005 form Sanchez still should hold a starters spot unless Sanchez has Ankiel Strikes Syndrome ( or A.S.S. for short ). Zito is the logical guy to become long relief / swing man.
• Zito is not going any were soon. It would take more than a good first half of a season to make him interesting to another GM. However a good first half would do wonders to either Sanchez’s or Lowry’s market interest.
• Name the last time Zito had a good April and May in the same season. Then name the how often that has happened.
• Zito and Lowry are the only two soft tossers in this group of 6. This should give them an edge in relief appearances following Cain, Tim, Sanchez and Johnson.
• Being a Savvy Veteran® Zito already knows what he needs to do to make it through a full season. Given Sanchez a role letting him stay in it give Sanchez the chance to develop the between games routine he needs to have a hope at being starter.
Of course we are talking about pitchers here so what are the odds all 6 break camp healthy ready to go 5+ innings? This is probably much ado about nothing.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 26, 2009 7:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't Going To Happen - No Chance Zito Gets Removed From The Rotation
by giantsrainman on Jan 26, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hampton, Nagel, Schmidt. There are other pitchers the sign big money contracts and end up out the rotation a couple years into the commitment. This move does have president across baseball as a whole. If you want to argue there is not precedent on the Sabean Giants I ask you to name the precedent under Sabean’s reign when a starting pitcher was allowed to continuously stink up the joint when there were other viable options.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 26, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Schmidt not being in the Dodgers rotation has more to do with his health than him just sucking.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise With The Other 2 As Well.
by giantsrainman on Jan 26, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you are going to contend Zito is healthy in the head right now?
No one says the move would be permanent. In fact the move was done last year for a small bit of time so there is precedent on my side of the debate.
And I think the chances of all 6 being healthy and good to go when they break camp are mighty small. Small enough that we are probably talking about what kind of chickens will be hatched before the eggs are even laid.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 27, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d take some ankiel syndrome…. .270 27 hr 85 rbi
by giantdonkey on Jan 25, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Ankiel
Pretty overrated. Cool story, but that’s about it.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 25, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
paying a guy 900k and having him produce like a guy who makes 8 mil is “overrated”? What? His fielding is fairly terrible, but seeing as how the guy used to be a pitcher, I’d say he’s quite valuable at his current production. Sure, the media BS is a bit much (news flash), but when you’re expecting nothing from a guy and get a nice power threat instead, then I think you should be happy.
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one brought up money and I wasn’t talking about his production vs. cost, which is admittedly great. He’s overrated because he hit a bunch of HR’s and used to be the top pitching prospect in baseball. He’s an ok player, but he’s not better than any of the starting outfielders we have.
Whatever expectations you may have had for him has zero effect on his actual value.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 25, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I’d take Ankiel over Rowand. And his contract, too.
I think if you’re expecting zero from someone and they turn out to be pretty good, then that’s quite valuable, actually.
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not
Your expectations have ZERO effect on actual value.
Anyways, we aren’t talking about contracts. Just their value to a team, in which case I’d take Rowand. 4 out of the last 5 years he’s been worth at least 1.5 wins (and 3 of those years he was worth 3.5, 4.5, and 4.9). It was one bad year.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 26, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it was one bad year from a guy who’s 32. Forgive me for not thinking that that’s a fluke.
And part of a guy’s value to his team is their contract. How can you just throw that out the door? Rowand is making like 12 mil a year, Ankiel gets 900k. Are you telling me that if you had the choice between Ankiel at 900k and Rowand at 12 mil you’d still take Rowand? If so, then I respectfully disagree.
For example- part of Zito’s harm to the Giants is that he sucks, the other part is that his contract is so awful, that it will keep them from being able to do certain things for the next 5 years. Contracts are a pretty integral part of a guy’s value.
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I know
Look at where this conversation started. I just said he’s overrated. His contract has nothing to do with that. I was just talking about common perception. I wasn’t talking about it from a team building perspective. Stop implying that I’m saying something I’m not.
Anyways, this is his last year of arbitration (and he’s going to get around 2.5 million), I believe, and he will be getting expensive.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jan 26, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
you said “cool story, but that’s about it”. I actually think it’s a lot more than a “cool story”. The guy is a pretty productive and (for the moment anyways) very cheap OF. That’s exactly what every team wants- a guy who performs way better than you have to pay him for. Sabean takes the opposite approach and pays a bunch to guys whose performances could be had for a lot less money. That’s what it’s all about.
I agree that the media has made too big a deal out of the guy, but who gives a fluck what they say anyways?
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
being overrated is overrated.
He’s good, not great, but he has a good story. What’s to complain about?
That said, I’m pretty sure they should just stick him in RF.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 27, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel Syndrome
We could actually use a pitcher that magically turns into a OF with power.
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by The Thrill on Jan 25, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we’ll say, “Where were you when Lincecum passed Bonds on the all-time HR list?”
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 26, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“…which put him in second place, right behind Matt Cain…”
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by EliminateMe on Jan 26, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i noticed that wilson had a fur collared jacket…better not wear that around town buddy boy
i adopt brian sabean... take that dramatic irony!
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 25, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s just trying to get some free fake blood.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 25, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’ve noticed a lot of people think it’s “cool” to stand outside burlington coat factory and throw fake blood on you as you walk out.
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you’re going to throw fake blood on the fur coat of a heavily muscled, tattooed young wild man who has the power to throw a baseball 100mph, you better be prepared to see some real blood as well. And it won’t be Wilson’s.
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by rxmeister on Jan 26, 2009 6:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great, now some idiot Dodger fan is going to go take one for the team and our closer will be in jail. It will be your fault for giving them the idea… come to think of it, I should have tried that back when Gagne was susceptible to ’roid rage. Did he wear fur?
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum
can throw almost 100, and I ain’t afraid of that squirt.
BTW you totly missed teh reference. (I think)
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The office!
Also, lincecum’s a beast. Yeah, he’s only 170, but that’s all muscle.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Jan 26, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peshawww
he’s still only like 4’11. I could totly take him down.
by bondslegend on Jan 27, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
id prefer
lincy, cain, randy, sanchez, zito. id love some sheets thrown in too tho but that money would be better used for a decent 3b next year maybe?
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 25, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think you want to split up Cain/Lincecum
and then also Sanchez and Randy just cus they are similar pitchers
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by Azmanz on Jan 25, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The main reason why I think they’re split because they don’t want 3 lefties in a row. They want R/L/R/L/L not R/R/L/L/L.
Just say NO to free agents, they take your draft picks.
by jt_7241 on Jan 25, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The pairing led to a big lifestyle change for Wilson, who has stopped cooking and now orders the same crates of prepared food, developed by a former NASA nutrition consultant, that Zito has been eating for two years.
Hmm… that’s a curious time stamp. Keep me away from the crates of prepared suck food, plz.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Jan 25, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ew. Barry Zito and Brian Wilson don’t get to participate in any MCC Food Talk discussions.
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by jcb9 on Jan 25, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about? crates are delicious
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 25, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they're called
crepes not crates, you cretin!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Jan 26, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Jan 26, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s go time!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jan 26, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo , what's new with the Lowry situation?
That’s actually an open question.
Feel free to answer , hijack , ignore , prognosticate , whatever.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 25, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Noah
He’s my adopted Giant and all, but from the moment he turned into Ebby Calvin “Nuke” LaLoosh that one fateful day in spring training, Lowry has not been right. More mental than physical at this point, methinks. Rats. Dude was a very solid 4th/5th starter.
Noah Lowry?
by Kid Fresh on Jan 25, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
haven’t yet seen him pitch this season. I’d hold off judgment.
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re harshing my reverse-jinx strategy. ;-)
Noah Lowry?
by Kid Fresh on Jan 25, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOAH LOWRY SUCKS
5TH STARTER AT BEST!!!!
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5th Starter?!?
Put him in the bullpen!!!
by Merope on Jan 26, 2009 6:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Put him in the fing Dodger bullpen.
Put him in the Blank bullpen.
Put him – and us – out of our collective misery already.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cain
3RD STARTER….AT BEST!!!!
It had to be said. Frankly, I’m surprised nobody had done it yet….
Finally Bochy caught on!
by Hobbes2d on Jan 25, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a great starting rotation with depth.
Even more badass if Zito finally gives us a good year.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Jan 25, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But you can't pitch lefties back 2 back!!!!!11
Oh, wait, never mind.
by pantalones on Jan 25, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes you can , although one would be pitching to second base.
Never do.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 25, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What slot in the rotation does Ben Sheets pitch?
by wilriv21 on Jan 25, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wish you had asked “What spot in the order…” so I could answer, “The wet spot.” See, his name is “Sheets” and…never mind.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 25, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of Wilson with a change-up gives me a boner
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 25, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no. I think you’ve got it all backwards.
Part of Wilson’s fun this winter was working on a changeup he shelved in college when he became a reliever. Everything Wilson threw last year as he saved 41 games was hard – his fastball, cutter and slider. He knows the changeup could be a good “wrinkle,” but he is not committing to the pitch yet.
by deuce deuce on Jan 25, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no. I think you’ve got it all backwards.
The thought of Wilson’s boner gives Goofus a change-up?
by Grant on Jan 25, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
since he gives you a boner, does that mean you won’t be trading him on every thread this time around??
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
by rxmeister on Jan 25, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From all this discussion, it’s clear my boner is a huge issue
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 26, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well , don’t go getting a big head about it.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry. I won’t get cocky.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 26, 2009 6:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nothing better than bragging about dick size to people that won’t ever see it. I used to brag about the size of mine at work and then one day I wound up sleeping with a girl that I had bragged to. The next day I just looked at her and said, " I guess I can’t make jokes about my size anymore!!" Her laughter told me those days were over.
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
by rxmeister on Jan 26, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My penis is so huge, it has it’s own penis.
by xanthan on Jan 26, 2009 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that make it a USB (Universal Service Baby!) port?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 26, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since so many who meet me exclaim “What a dick!”, I’ve always assumed they were impressed by my penis.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 26, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of Wilson’s boner makes Goofus change his underwear.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 25, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were going to say “The thought of Wilson with a fur collar gives me a boner.”
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Jan 25, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, Wilson covered in fake blood gives him a boner
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 25, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trading lowry
if lowry showed enough in st to get traded, instead of sanchez, i’d get a boner.
by giantdonkey on Jan 25, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Something else
anyone else surprised that Boch is putting Zito 4th? That is awesome.
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Timmeh, Randeh, Matteh, Durteh and Tabouleh…
pretty decent maybe
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Jan 25, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
plus lowreh
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Jan 26, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh
The trade candidate shouldn’t be Lowry or Sanchez; rather, it should be the eternal third-starter Matt Cain for whom Sabean should endeavor to reap the most plentiful bounty.
Obviously.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Jan 25, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're debating what to do when there are too many quality starters
If we end up having this problem after ST, I’ll gladly accept the ZOMG start Lowry or ZOMG start Sanchez debate.
by jctGamer on Jan 26, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Noah Lowry probably isn’t a quality starter these days.
by xanthan on Jan 26, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it be wacky if we called closers “finishers”?
by Natto on Jan 26, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would make them great goal scorers: Wayne Rooney is a great finisher!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Jan 26, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think massagers who offer happy endings should be called “finichers”, but that’s just me.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 26, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, just call starters "openers".
by giantsrainman on Jan 26, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Needs More CapZ!!!1
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Jan 26, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
we will all be pretty happy if we get 240 IP out of Sanchez and Lowry combined.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Jan 26, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let’s set that at 180 IP
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 26, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree!
180 IP for Sanchez
0 IP for Lowry
by xanthan on Jan 26, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would poop happiness if Sanchez hit 180 IP.
0 IP for Noah would meet a sad expectation.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 27, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lowry and Sanchez should be co-starters.
Start Sanchez, run him through the lineup twice, then put Lowry in for the next two… since pitchers perform best their first couple times through the lineup and such… and then you can use them in relief on one of their bullpen-throwing days. Yes, it’s genius, and no one has ever thought of anything like this, I know.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Jan 26, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you running for SF Dog Catcher?
C’mon, take a stand on one or the other. How about six months in Guantanamo and then six months in Alcatraz for the the bums at Gitmo?
by wilriv21 on Jan 26, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bums at gitmo?
that gives me an idea…
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Jan 26, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good idea
b/c it will only be at the beginning of the season until Lowry is hurt, and then Sanchez can take over and not be as worn out to finish the season
by ktice on Jan 26, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sanchez/lowry?
If Lowry’s healthy and pitching well can’t we just bump Zito?
by CTGiant on Jan 26, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ding DIng Ding
that is the logical play
by wilriv21 on Jan 26, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not so sure.
Zito was publicly sent to the ‘Pen last season. Granted Zito was doing so badly even the EPA Super Fund list denied him membership because he was so huge of a project. Also granted he was not there long enough to even begin building his own pile of empty sunflower seed husks. But it was done and both him and the fan base has been prepared by the doing of it.
Plus Sabean has not been one to allow a starter he deems questionable to stay any longer the necessary if another viable option is available. I might quibble with what he considers the threshold to become questionable but he does turn over the pitching. Now if he would have been a bit more like that with the veteran position players. But that’s another topic.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 27, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
zito, lowry, roberts
…. about 1/3 of our entire payroll. beautiful
by giantdonkey on Jan 26, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
still find it difficult to fanthom that after two tough seasons SF owes Zito $101.5M
by wilriv21 on Jan 26, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SAN FRANCISCO OWES BARRY ZITO ONE HUNDRED MILLION MOAR DOLLARS. 1/10 OF A BILLION.
That is fucking incredible.
by bondslegend on Jan 26, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU COULD BUY LIKE TWO AND A QUARTER NEW CITIBANK PLANES FOR THAT MUCH MONEY
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 26, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, watch out, only two of those were bad deals, hindsight be damned.
put rowand in there, though, and you’re on to something. blegh.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Jan 26, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Help me out here
First off, I read these threads daily and admire you folks in here. For the passion, the knowledge, the boner jokes, etc. Thanks for making me laugh and learn at the same time. I rarely post but am an avid McC fan.
I’m just wondering about Lowry. Yes, freaky injury. Yes, one of the worst spring training box scores for a pitcher we’ve ever seen as he melted down in historic fashion. But it seems like even a healthy Lowry gets kinda the “meh” treatment from lotsa folks in here. I’ve always loved the dude. What team in baseball wouldn’t take an ‘07 Lowry for their 5th starter?? Yes, I know it’s a longshot that he ever gets back to that. But he’s been an effective starter, and at times was the most consistent starter on the staff. I’m a casual fan. I don’t dive into Baseball Reference, etc. like many folks in here. I know that he’s always had some control issues even prior to the injury and for a period of time was tipping his changeup. But he’s been a helluva decent big league pitcher from my perspective and a great example of someone who doesn’t throw hard but can get ML hitters out while frustrating the hell out of them. Somebody enlighten me! Noah Lowry, if loving you is wrong….
(also, I like how earlier in this thread someone finally called out Cain a bit. His velocity was off in ‘08 and I’d say that if he can’t win as a #3 in ‘09 the Giants will be kicking themselves for not getting some value for this guy when they had a chance. I also hope I’m really really wrong…)
Conor Gillaspie 2012
by Traylude on Jan 26, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Branch Rickey
Rickey was quoted:
“Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late.”
by wilriv21 on Jan 27, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
if you’ve been here awhile before, then you probably know that many round here don’t take kindly to folks who talk down Matt Cain…
by bondslegend on Jan 27, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite his AWESOME ERA his 2007 was pretty atrocious.
by xanthan on Jan 27, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was the injury that was responsible for the wildness, though.
He was like a handsome version of Doug Davis before he got hurt.
/pours one out for Noah
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 27, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the wildness was probably nerve related but what’s equally concerning is that he’s losing the ability to strike out hitters.
Lowry K/9
2005 – 7.56
2006 – 4.74
2007 – 5.02
He’s lost nearly 2 K’s per 9 innings. I think part of it is that he’s moving away from throwing his changeup as much as he once did.
Changeup Usage
2005 – 26.8%
2006 – 22.7%
2007 – 18.7%
I’m sure the league has adjusted to it some, but I wonder if he’s lost the feel for the pitch because of his injuries?
by xanthan on Jan 27, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First numbers....
Now PICTURES??? Go back to your nerd dungeon!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Jan 27, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s very possible that he adjusted his mechanics from the oblique injury, leading to the forearm injury and loss of control.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 27, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Lowry I think it’s more a realization first oblique injury then the fore arm that he just might be finished. I think he is well liked around here just we are guarded about his chances.
On the " calling out Cain" that floats around some corners of the Giant Horde ( usually off this site). Context, Context, Context. Most pitchers are barely getting a cup of coffee in The Show at his age. He has 3 full campaigns. Can he get better? Hell yes. It has been 4 decades since we had 2 really good pitchers to head a rotation (Not just 2 pitchers having career years at the same time) and frankly some fans have forgotten ( or never learned) this is not fantasy baseball and in the real game great pitching is as important as great line play in football. Dingers and long passes are Sexy but if you want a chance to win it all you have to have great line play and great pitching. The last two are not so sexy just essential if you want to be more than an afterthought.
Lastly, most importantly, welcome to a new voice.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 27, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the props about my vast baseball knowledge (pretty obvious you were referring to me), but please don’t compliment the “boner jokes”. It just encourages the idiot fringe that hangs out here.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 27, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the idiot fringe that hangs out here
You call?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
doh! Thats a new one. How did I get double blocks form only one quote use?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because you’re a blockhead?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 28, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cube top
squared off
eight corners
ninety degree angles
flat top
stares straight ahead
stock parts
blockhead
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Feb 1, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tks to all for the input! Tks xanthan for the bb and k percentages vs. league average. That diminished ability for the strikeout is scary. I do hope the guy bounces back. I’ve just always been a Lowry guy and would love to see him regain form. He and Zito back to back in a rotation would be a bit odd though.
I also just want to state that despite my concern I’m a big Cain fan. I live in NE and went down to KC to see Giants play Royals a couple games last year. Cain dominated them for 8 innings in his start. It was great. I do believe that having him in the third spot in the rotation is gonna work out very well. I still wonder about his velocity, and again I hope that my fears are unfounded. I definitely understand that he’s still a baby. Believe me, I would love he and Lincecum to anchor this staff for the next decade.
Thanks for the advice Goofus. I’ll keep an eye out for the idiot fringe that taints this forum. I do, however, enjoy watching looped video of people with vast baseball knowledge dancing in the crowd @ AT&T….
Conor Gillaspie 2012
by Traylude on Jan 27, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
he plays a mean LF too.
by bondslegend on Jan 28, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he he, you said “taints”
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jan 27, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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