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There was a thread hijack in one of Grants posts recently that caused a lot of movie talk.  I am a big movie fan and like talking about them quite a bit.  This post may come off as pretentious and that is not at all my goal and I apologize in advance if I come off as such.  Please remember that this is only my opinion. 

So, who/what do you feel should win varoius awards?  I added a poll to this post and I ask that you only vote if you have actually seen enough of the films to fairly judge your choice against others.  Admittedly, I have not seen all the films...well, the only one I haven't seen is Ben Button.  I'll get to that one, soon.  I also left a couple films off because I am fairly certain the five nominees will come from the seven.  Definitely four of them and in that case the fifth will be one of these:  The Reader, Doubt, Synecdoche, NY, Gran Torino...and the two horses that are so dark that you wouldn't be able to see them in a white room: Dark Knight and Let The Right One In.

Best Pictures, and my thoughts:

1 - Wall-E.  This is my personal choice for best picture though I am dubious that it wiill garner nomination.  This is in large part because of the "animated" category.  The thing is, this movie goes beyond being just a kids film.  I have never felt so good about being alive after a film as after seeing this the first time.  Children love it.  Adults love it.  It will stand the test of time.  The only complaint that a reasonable person could make is that the message is a bit heavy handed.  Other than that it is a perfect film.  Wall-E is such a real character that he somehow captures love in a way that anyone can feel.  Also, the space dance is the most beautiful scene I've ever seen.

2- Revolutionary Road.  This will definitely get a nomination.  The film is a true work of art made by one of cinemas true craftsmen.  It is not the most pleasant film to experience due to the realism of the Wheelers relationship.  Great cinematography.  Incredible acting.  Wonderful subtle touches..for instance, Leo appears to have put on weight so he would look like a man actually did in the 50s.  Everything that the people do is believable.  We are fortunate to be able to see a film as fine as this.  I believe this really is the best picture of the year.  At least in terms of a normal type of best picture. 

3 - Milk.  My sense is this will win best picture because the academy seems to like political statements and in most years this would be a fine film to honor.  I don't feel it is as good as a few others, though.  Mainly because the plot is a little bit thin.  It will definitely get nominated.

4 - Slumdog Millionaire.  This will definitely get nominated, too.  I really hope it doesn't win as it just doesn't stand up compared to some of the other films.  It's a good film, just not great.  It has flaws that are pretty apparent when you think about things.  It's enjoyable, funny and feel good.  It's not the best picture of the year.

5 - Frost/Nixon.  Rivetting from start to finish.  Well-directed, well-acted.  Nothing bad can be sad about this film.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it win, but it won't happen based on the extremely stiff competition.

6 - Ben Button - I have not seen this.  I hear it is good but long.  Everyone says it is long.  This tells me that the movie has a major flaw in the way it flows.  Oscar bait but it won't win.

7 - The Wrestler - I don't know if this will get nominated.  I wouldn't give it a nom mainly because I think those first five I mentioned were all much better.  I do think this is a great film but it has a very amateurish look to it.  I realize this is deliberate.  It's gritty, it's real, but it's also suffering from exteme competition.

Others:

Dark Knight - Highly overrated.  Easily the best part(s) of the film are when Batman and Joker are on screen and that is like ten minutes of the film.  The movie wasn't even about Batman, it was about Harvey Dent.  Nolan wanted this to be his last Batman film and tried to do too much and almost nailed it, but missed.  Split this into two films or tack on another hour or who knows what and it could have been great.  Also, Iron Man was the better super hero film...and that is because the star, Robert Downey Jr., made it so.

Let The Right One In - A true dark horse for a nom.  Great flick.  Just not meaty enough to stack up against the main contenders.

Synecdoch, NY - I said this in the other post but I truly believe that in ten or fifteen years or longer, this will be viewed as a masterpiece.  Kaufmans first film as director and he not only tried to hit a home run, not only a grand slam, he tried to create the greatest movie ever made.  He missed the mark but comes close.  I won't even talk about the screenplay category because I don't think there is anything that comes close to this one.  Original screenplay, that is.  I give adapted to either Rev. Road or Slumdog.

Actors:

1 - Sean Penn - He's gonna win.  There is no doubt of this.  Not for a second did I think "hey, tha't Sean Penn acting up there."  Daniel Day Lewis was a shoe in last year, Penn was better this year.

2 - Leo - He's getting closer and closer.  He suffers in large part because he was acting next to Kate Winslet and he just doesn't stack up yet.  But wow he is getting so so good.  He is definitely going to win some day.

3 - Mickey Rourke - No, just no.  Yes he was great in a role that he fits perfectly.  He really is great.   But c'mon...

4 - Frank Langella (Nixon) - Think about this: he made Nixon human, sympathetic and likable.  If Penn wasn't just so freaking amazing I'd give it to Frank.

5 - I am guessing Pitt will get a nom.  The four above are pretty much shoe-ins, though.

Actress:

1 - Winslet.  She's going to win. Just amazing, as usual, but more so than usual.  If that makes sense.  (Rev. Road, btw)

I actually can't think of many that really stand out to me this year.  I would nominate Merryl Streep for Mamma Mia.  She gives a poofy film a soul and is so genuine in doing so.  Plus she can sing.  I doubt this will happen but it's a role that really stood out to me.

Supporting Dude:

1 - Heath Ledger - Sympathy vote and he truly was awesome.  My pic.

2 - James Franco - Milk.  Mainly because the role he plays is so different from other roles I have seen from him while still being real.

3 - I think i'm starting to burn out as I can't even think of others at the moment.  Oh well.

 

Supporting Chick:

1 - My choice is Dianne Wiest in Synecdoche.  Only one that stuck out to me this year.  Also, I'm not looking at the golden globe noms.

EDIT: 2 - Marissa Tomei (Thanks to Neifichicken for the reminder).  I was going to add her initially and think she is very deserving.  My fav part of that film.  (Wrestler)

Best Director

1 - Sam Mendes - Rev. Road.  My choice because of just how real everything is. 

2 - Gus Van Sant - I think he will win.  Mendes has won before, Van Sant hasn't and Milk is great.  Not a bad choice, by any means.

3 - Darren Aronofsky - The Wrestler.  He's got a good chance, too.  I feel his directing was better than Van Sants.  This movie looks REAL.  Some people who saw it thought it was a real documentary.  The wrestling stuff itself is incredibly well done.  Very deserving.

4 - Danny Boyle - Slumdog.  He's got a decent shot, too, but as I mentioned before...the film has flaws and parts that pulled me out of the film.  Not good enough.

I'm pretty sure those four will be in, dunno what would be #5.  My choice:

5 - Charlie Kaufmann.  Won't happen because a movie with no act structure is off putting, but wow what a debut.

 

So..that was a long read.  Go ahead and skewer me for being overly pretentious or not giving TDK or your favorite film enough love.  I really hope this sparks good coversation as there hasn't been any Manny news in a while and I love movies and peoples thoughts about them.

 

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Addendum.  This is something howtheyscored wrote that I really feel needs to be highlighted...it's about Wall-E.

 

Like I said, it’s ballsy for the younger demographic. It’s not that ballsy in a wider sense, but the overall tone is pretty damning. Earth as a barren wasteland. Humans disaccociated from not only each other, but also life as a whole. It might not be anything you’ve never seen, but it’s the kind of thing that is dumbed out of a lot of these movies to keep them kid friendly. I appreciate that the movie took the risk to show that difficult concepts can be kid friendly.

And as for it being a love story, it’s not a love story in the sense I think you’re going for. The whole love theme in the movie is based around the idea of contact, and specifically holding hands. It’s not just Wall-E and Eve, though they are the characters who present the theme most directly. You see it played through with John and Mary (wow, I just realized what their names are). But the idea of touching and being touched, though visually very literal in the movie, is standing in for the idea that human contact improves individual life. When people begin interacting, then good things start happening, and therein lie the seeds of love.

Which is the theme that I’m getting at. It’s not the LOVE story. It’s a story about where love, where all of the best parts of society start. That’s the theme you get with the plant bud. It’s just sprouting. But even it doesn’t survive without human interaction (remember, the Captain waters it). You see Wall-E and Eve, and then John and Mary experience the beginnings of love. You see again the idea of love and beginnings when John and Mary save the babies (“John, get ready to have some babies,” Mary says). Then again, through the credits, you continue to see the motif of sprouting, the ideas of interaction, cooperation, relationship building, etc.

Although, when you say “You might as well have parrots in love. (Say! There’s an idea.)” it just makes me think that everything you’re missing is the result of an inability to suspend your disbelief for some “robots.” And if that’s the case, you’re missing a damn lot.

Poll
What film do you feel is the best picture of 2008?
Revolutionary Road
2 votes
Milk
8 votes
Frost/Nixon
1 votes
Benjamin Button
6 votes
Wall-E
23 votes
Slumdog Millionaire
18 votes
The Wrestler
8 votes

66 votes | Poll has closed

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I haven't seen all of the Best Picture movies but...

Benjamin Button, while long…flowed very well I thought. I loved the movie. Doesn’t hurt that I think Cate Blanchett is some good eye candy :)

Agreed on the Dark Knight. I was disappointed when I saw it. It’s mostly about the Joker and Dent. And most of the Dent stuff seemed pretty pretentious because I was just waiting for him to turn into Two-Face. I get what they were doing in trying to portray him as the hero and all that blah blah blah. Idk it just didn’t have the same feel as the first film did in terms of storytelling. It was trying to be dark and foreshadow I just don’t feel they pulled it off all that well. Another big problem is the score, music often helps tell the story, and the Dark Knight mostly didn’t have very much music in the background. Where as in the first film there was often something accompanying the action on screen. This was missing in the Dark Knight, which hurts the film IMO.

I still need to see The Wrestler and Milk. Both films I think will have a good shot at best picture along with Slumdog Millionaire ( a movie that seems like the type of film the academy would like) If I really had to guess I would say The Wrestler will win Best Picture. It’s built a lot of buzz of late it seems. Milk hasn’t, which is surprising considering the people involved in making that film and that it was based on a true story.

by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Idk it just didn’t have the same feel as the first film did in terms of storytelling.

Are you kidding? As good as it was, Batman Begins had one of the silliest plots in the “serious batman” universe. An uber-powerful secret society that goes around destroying nations through history suddenly sets its eyes on a struggling US city? WTF?

And don’t get me started on the doctrine of works BS.

Don’t get me wrong, though. I love Batman Begins. It just has a silly story.

Whereas Dark Knight was epic. The transition of Gotham from organized crime to villainous crime. The tragedy of the hero falling in Dent. The struggle with the moral question of being a hero and having the power over people’s lives… it’s great….

Granted, the cell phone device was just as silly as the secret society from the first movie… but you can’t win ’em all.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

The Raz storyline is pretty damn lame. But they still pulled it off very well somehow. The Scarecrow too is lame. But the movie is centered around Bruce Wayne at the same time and you get to see the transformation he makes into Batman. I get what was going on in the Dark Knight I just don’t feel they did as good a job as they could have. It was an epic thing to try to pull off indeed, but it seems something was missing at the same time. I think mostly because the focus wasn’t as much on Batman as it was Dent, Gordon and the Joker.

by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can respect that. It didn’t bother me so much that Bruce Wayne wasn’t as front and center because I found the other storylines so compelling, but I definitely understand where you’re coming from.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I appreciate the focus of the movie because i read one of the major influences on the movie, The Long Halloween. That story focuses on the alliance between Batman, Gordon and Dent, the eventual fall from grace of Dent, and the transformation of Gotham Crime from being controlled by the Mafia to being controlled by the “freaks.” Nolan pulled that portion of the movie off very well. The movie was centered around the change in gotham and the battle to rescue it from crime or let it fall into crime for a longer period of time, and in this sense, the character of dent is free. The biggest flaw in the movie is Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel Dawes, and I can’t help but think that her character brings the whole movie down.

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by Speedforthewin on Jan 28, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to support any movie based on comic book characters. I’m sorry, I’m probably going to get branded as un-american for this belief, but the lack of original content and characters in hollywood is shocking.

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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 20, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh..

Comic books are one of two American art forms. (Jazz is the other)

Yer un-American

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please add baseball to your list of artful American inventions!

Noah Lowry?

by Kid Fresh on Jan 26, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

England is part of America now?

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by Cookyman on Jan 27, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

While I agree with you, in a certain respect – especially with the profusion of needless remakes and sequels – I’m kind of surprised. Your argument against comic books would automatically marginalize any adaptation – book, television, stage, shorts. So many great movies – Gone with the Wind, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, Apocalypse Now, The Maltese Falcon, A Streetcar Named Desire, Westside Story, the list goes on and on and on – were adaptations. Adapting something is an inherently creative process. It’s like translating between different, very non-complimentary languages. Making a remake or a sequel just for the sake of the money (Pirates) is very different. Sure there are completely original movies – Star Wars, the prime example – that are great, but adaptations shouldn’t be excluded just because.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

See the thing is that I’m a big fan of adaptation…you don’t need to reel off a list of them, I get it…what I DO have a problem with is something that’s at the level of Archie and Veronica being considered in the same class as the masterworks of Puzo, Tennessee Williams, and Tolkien.

I also have a distaste for those glossy animated features with anything above a G rating. While the technical marvels of the original Toy Story, or as a more modern example, Wall-E, amuses me, I despise the animated flicks as well. If I wanted to watch the cartoons, I’d turn on Saturday morning TV…oh wait…they don’t have traditional cartoons there anymore either!

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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 20, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s an extremely old-fashioned point of view regarding comics. At least 20 years old from a critical point of view and probably over 10 years old from a mainstream point of view. I also find your point of view about animation to be unnecessarily dismissive.

Expressing disinterest or distaste is one thing, but dismissing value from legitimate media just doesn’t seem quite there.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Never said that everyone should share the same view...

That’s just how I see things when it comes to original content in big-studio American movies. It’s also why I prefer “art house” or film festival pieces to the mega-blockbuster with Happy Meal collectible figurine and simultaneous video game/soundtrack releases.

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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fair.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you automatically dismiss films like American splendor, or Waltz with Bashir. I’d say those are art house and film festival movies. I do agree with the Happy Meal point and tie-ins, i see no reason to dismiss a whole style of making movies. Also you say that you do not wanna put the works of American Greats alongside Archie and Veronica. There are different levels of comics just as there are different levels of literature. Actually i dislike graphic novels but i recognize them as a valid art form in the right hands. You wouldn’t put American Girl books on the same level as a Kurt Vonnegut novel, so you wouldn’t put all comics on the same level.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who defines "masterwork"?

And what is the definition?

It wasn’t too long ago that Tolkien’s “masterworks” were dismissed by critics, simply because they were considered genre fiction: ie fantasy fiction (S(peculative F(iction).

Furthermore, while there are great authors doing great work in the fantasy / science fiction / urban fantasy (ie SF) genre, just as there is great stuff in comics, SF works are still often dismissed by critics, simply because they are genre works.

To many critics, if a work is SF, it is immediately not great literature. For a SF author to be taken seriously, for that SF author’s works not to automatically dismissed by critics, the way you dismiss comics, those works have to often be marketed by the author, and the publisher, as non SF works.

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by rfloh on Jan 26, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think things are changing a little there with these movies. The comics franchises are coming more and more under the control of the comic companies. Marvel has gone far, far beyond selling rights and has since taken a heavy role in the development of their own characters and – I believe – have also gotten into distribution. It’s coming to the point where a movie about a Marvel character will actuall be a Marvel movie right through distribution. DC can’t be that far behind. So as this goes on, at what point does a comic book movie stop being a hollywood whore and start being an actual extension of a company’s own long-standing franchise?

Ultimately, though, and this is something I learned while gaming, it’s not that important to me whether or not I’m watching (playing) a movie (game) about a particular character. I just want to see (play) a god movie (game). The wrapping comes after the content, imo.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This

I agrizzle so much. The source material doesn’t really matter (unless the source was immoral, somehow) as long as the move is good.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you telling me that my film based on Why Hitler Was Awesome by Franz Ubermann doesn’t stand a chance?

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My example is from medicine. We’re not allowed to use the – often very illuminating – results of Nazi medical studies on concentration camp victims. They did studies on pain and pain management (among other things) that we can’t replicate and that we can’t use as the basis of drug development or treatment. If you do, you’re going to lose your funding and may have hospital privileges (like prescribing narcotics or being allowed in if you’re private practice) taken away. if you want to make you’re Ubermann adaptation, well, I’m just hoping it’s satire.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So let me get this right....

Using Nazi medical studies = bad

but

Testing on lab rats = good?!?

I’m not a animal lover, but that logic is more flawed than my very own hatred for animated motion pictures!

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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 20, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the reasoning we work with. I understand that it’s a flawed paradigm. It’s something we have to deal with in the medical field. I brought up the extreme example to illustrate a point, that’s all.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Society as a whole believes that humans are not equal to rats

Or other animals for that matter.

Do you consider it flawed logic to eat animals, especially meat animals raised in horrendous conditions, and not eat humans?

That might indeed be flawed logic, but few things are, or have ever been, or will ever be, based on pure logic.. Relying on pure logic, for anything, no matter how flawless that logic, is flawed.

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by rfloh on Jan 26, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bet you drink an interesting cup of coffee.

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by victor frankenstein on Jan 27, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Relying on pure logic to generate morals is like asking arithmetic to make you breakfast.

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by oldjacket on Jan 28, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Everyday you’d be eating pi.

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by Natto on Jan 28, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you took my joke a bit seriously.

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, no. I knew where you were coming from. Probably shouldn’t have elaborated (see above), but I wanted to.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the story good?

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite thing about 'The Dark Knight': 3 views of justice

My first viewing of ‘TDK’, I just thought the last half-hour was lumbering and unnecessary. But the 2nd time, I got that one of the points of the movie is three competing views of justice. One is Batman’s, which is the conventional view of it, that wrongdoers must be punished. Another is the Joker’s, which is that there should be chaos (“And the thing about chaos: it’s fair.”) The third is Two Face’s view: sheer chance, sheer randomization of harm is just. I think it is an interesting question.

I didn’t love the very end, in which Gordon and Batman make the decision to portray Batman as the culprit. I think it’s a silly choice, kind of senseless/confusing to me, and I just don’t see how this is in the longterm interest of Gotham City, given that the bad guy (Two Face) is dead (maybe). But in any case, it is a patronizing and infantilizing view of the citizenry: if we tell them the truth, they won’t be able to handle it if they were told the truth, but that a couple of guys can manage an elaborate lie (of which part is that a guy widely viewed as helpful in making the people safer turns out to be an unambiguous bad guy after all). It doesn’t make any sense to me. If you have an explanation of how that’s a good decision, albeit a tragic one, let me know.

I love the movie, though, and appreciate it more each time I watch it. Heath Ledger’s performance is one of my favorite film performances of all time. Every line is perfect. Favorites: “No, I’m not,” “Yeah,” and “Hi.” Honorable mention: “Do I look like I have a plan?” and “I can’t kill you because you’re… just too much fun.”

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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 25, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Joker’s speech to Dent in the hospital about plans. The thing about that speech is that every single word is designed as part of a lie to try to pull things his way. Of course the Joker has a plan! He has more plans in the whole film than anybody else, and nearly all of them are more elaborate, well-thought out, and successful than the rest. The thing about his plans isn’t that he doesn’t have them… it’s that they work

What is really beautiful about that speech, though, is what happens immediately after. The Joker: “I don’t make plans.” (paraphrased) Meanwhile, he’s in the middle of a plan that involves him blowing up the hospital. Then he sets his bombs off, according to the plan… and… not all of them go off!

When he’s outside the hospital shaking the remote to get the hospital to finish blowing up because if they don’t then his plan isn’t finished, it’s not just this small, throwaway joke that it appears to be. It’s the kicker for this entire sequence that we just watched.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about Joker's plans & his dishonesty in that speech

That really is delicious. He obviously is a rare logistical genius (e.g., the bank robbery in the opening sequence, the hospital demolition that you describe — after which he jumps on the back of a school bus AGAIN).

Did you make sense of the choice at the end to make Batman the fall guy for Two Face’s crimes? Do you have an opinion of it?

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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 26, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The best that I have is that, from watching Dent and becoming himself a believer in what Dent was doing, Bruce Wayne believes that for law and order to actually exist and function in Gotham, the city has to be able to believe in its lawmen. I think he sees the copycat vigilantes and he realizes that while he’s showing people that things can be better, he is, as Batman, also giving them a non-functioning vision of how to maintain a better world.

The Nolan Batman thing was built up in Batman Begins to be that the image and the ideal of Batman are the most important parts of the character. I think Wayne probably thinks that the image and the ideal of Dent as a city-savior are also more important than the truth.

It does baby the citizens (especially when they just passed the test on the ferries… even the criminals!), and I’m not sure how I feel about it, really… but I think that is probably the thought process behind it for the characters.

I think the thought process behind it for the filmmakers is more simple: they have to make batman a problem for the citizens in order to give themselves something worthwhile to deal with in a third movie.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dark Knight has always had a dual relationship with Gotham City. The bat signal, of course, shows that he is endorsed by certain parties of Gotham City authorities. Yet, officially, he is a vigilante who is taking the law into his own hands; thus making him a criminal.

This relationship doesn’t really change at the end of the Dark Knight. Commissioner Gordan still knows the truth.

The decision didn’t sit completely well with me. But I can handle it.

And it let Gary Oldman give a speech.

What I didn’t like was that, since Gordan knew there was only one bullet in the gun, the only choice for him, as a father, was to try and overpower Two-Face. If he caught the only bullet, at least his family would be safe.

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by thehavenot on Jan 27, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that I don’t like about the Hollywood award season is that the public is taken out of the equation and the Oscar vote is a secret vote that you have to trust is on the up and up for these select few movies. We can debate the merits of The Dark Knight because the characters and canon are so well known. But for something like Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button, it’s all a matter of taste that drives the debate.

I feel the difference is TDK was not in any way looking to be a Oscar contender in any category beyond the special effects/costumes, but built itself into something beyond the sum of its parts. The movies listed as the best in this thread were basically geared toward some kind of award hype. But if some of these films didn’t have the critical acclaim garnered, would anyone really go and see them?

As for adaptations, comic books do count as much as any that are currently present in Hollywood. I haven’t seen a director or production house line together a string of $100+ million films based on Shakespeare’s works. Nor have I seen the public clamoring for a new adaptation of East of Eden or Of Mice and Men. Simply put, comic book movies are so popular because the characters and stories are already there. All it takes are competent actors, a director, writers and a special effects house to stitch it together.

As we’ve seen, the public wants escapism at the movie theatre…but they also want to be entertained if they’re paying $10+ just for the ticket.

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by sectionop92 on Feb 2, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have seen all the choices but The Wrestler, which I am seeing tonight. I saw Slumdog Millionare back-to-back with Revolutionary Road just last night and felt Revolutionary Road was by far the better picture. I think if Slumdog and Revolutionary Road split, Milk may sneak in there.

Speaking of Milk, I although I think Gussy did a tremendous job, Sam Mendes should win it. After I see the Wrestler tonight I can pick between S. Penn and M. Roarke. K. WInslet is going to win Best Actress, duh. Support acting I do not know yet. I think H. Ledger will win, but I do not know if he should. His performance was certainly entertaining, though. We shall see.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My predictions (plus picks)

Best Picture
1. Forrest Dump, err, Benjamin Button
2. Slumdog Millionaire (my prediction because the Academy loves corny shit)
3. The Wrestler
4. Milk
5. Frost/Nixon

My pick: The Dark Knight or Gran Torino. Both have no chance of winning (likely won’t be nominated either) but I enjoyed those more than any other movie I saw this year. I don’t really get your reference about the Dark Knight being about Harvey Dent. I see the argument that it might not have had a central character, but I don’t see how Dent was the focus. He was pretty one dimensional for the most part. If I had to choose between flicks actually nominated (Frost/Nixon)

Best Actor:
1. Mickey Rourke (my prediction)
2. Leo
3. Sean Penn
4. Langella (my pick)
5. Eastwood

Best Actress
1. Winslet (my prediction/pick)
2. Hathaway
3. Jolie – changeling
4. Streep – doubt
5. Blanchett

Supporting Actor
1. Ledger (pick/prediction)
2. Franco
3. Phillip Seymor Hoffman
4. Michael Sheen
5. Dev Patel

Supporting Actress
1. Winslet (pick/prediction)
2. Tomei
3. Penelope Cruz
4. Viola Davis
5. Debra Winger

by NeifiChicken on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dent

Think of the character arc and screen time. He has a full arc and the most screentime (or so it seemed) hence it is about him. I hope that makes sense. Joker is just mad and Batman is already developed.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You could also read Dent as a foil who further develops Bruce Wayne / Batman by being in a position to reveal things about that character through their differences. Both are presented as the heroes of Gotham, so you gain a deeper understanding of Bruce Wayne’s decisions and personality by seeing the ways in which a different person performs essentially the same social and mythological function.

So, in that way, saying that the movie is about Dent is also saying that it is about Wayne.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fair point as well, the oversimplified corny idea being that the right hero isn’t always who it should be.

The entire basis (flawed or not) for Dent’s descent into madness was the death of Rachel Dawes, who Wayne/Batman likely loved equally, if not more.

by NeifiChicken on Jan 20, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, I felt if anything Dent’s story was rushed together way too much. His turn into madness/two face was all too sudden and underdeveloped to me.

The character’s nature in and of itself constitutes an arc and I thought they really put it together quickly here. Noble the entire movie, and after one half spirited speech by the joker (and death of his fiancee) Dent goes crazy and kills people. I thought Eckhart did a good job, but the character was written pretty much as an archetype completely. Just too standard…if they had done half as good developing Two Face as they did Dent, I might agree with you, but they didn’t.

The story is still all about Batman and his evolution as a hero, as well as an attempt to redefine an iconic hero. It’s a much more subtle transition that occurs over the entire movie (and the last one for that matter) but that’s why it’s actually good. Beyond LEdger, what made the movie so great to me was what Nolan did with the idea of batman and his place and function as a hero.

by NeifiChicken on Jan 20, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gran Torino?

I liked it a lot and i loved clint but I think it is far to flawed a movie to win best picture. But i did think that it was important.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still can’t believe Kate Winslet has never won an Oscar. She’s had some really good performances in her career to date. Like Little Children.

by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that she was always as good as she is right now. Watch Sense and Sensibility again and she is BAAAAAD.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love British films....

but those Jane Austen movies don’t really interest me haha. I was speaking more so to her most recent work which has been outstanding. She was good when she first broke in too, but nothing compared to what she does now. Although Winslet was great in Heavenly Creatures.

by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think she should have won for Eternal Sunshine. Fuck, that film should have at least been nominated for a whole lot more than it was. At least Kaufmann won.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking back, I think you may be right, though I only saw her’s and Catalina Sandino Moreno’s performance that year and can’t comment on the eventual winner, Ms. Swank. It was certainly a performance that has stuck with me through the years.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

She was great, but if they were ever going to give an Oscar to Jim Carrey, it should have been for that movie.

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by Kitspool on Jan 22, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Benjamin Button and The Dark Knight are the only ones I’ve seen. I liked Button, and as a plus (for me) it had both Tilda Swinton and Cate Blanchett in it, two actresses whom I used to get confused. I don’t know how it stacks up with the other flicks, Oscar-wise. I didn’t realize until the credits rolled that it was a David Fincher film.

I too was a little disappointed by TDK, in part because I got impatient with the movie jumping from scene to scene every 60 seconds. Normally I’m sort of an ADHD-type, but I don’t like movies that hop around so much unless it’s specifically part of the design of the film (like Nolan’s own Memento). I actually liked Batman Begins better. But, the thing TDK did with the idea of heroes was interesting enough.

by non sequitur on Jan 20, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

it had both Tilda Swinton and Cate Blanchett in it, two actresses whom I used to get confused.

I’m glad I’m not the only one. I thought Blanchett played both characters in Button until the credits rolled. D’oh!

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by Kitspool on Jan 22, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only person here who thought Benjiman Button just wasn’t very good?

by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I could see how it wouldn't be for everyone

curious though as to what you didn’t like about it?

by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just didn't enjoy it.

Way too much “look at me I’m artsy” and “OMG OSCAR” for me. I didn’t find the humor funny and the serious parts never touched me. Hell, the audiance around me couldn’t seem to figure out when they should be laughing or crying. I got the movie, it just didn’t get me.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anybody see the comparison between Benjamin Button and Forrest Gump… and how they are the same exact movie? I don’t know the name of the show that I saw it on, but geez… it’s uncanny.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know it either. Seriously. I don’t watch much tv…

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did feel that the same themes at play. I enjoyed the film for what it was — entertainment. I wouldn’t give it an Oscar, though.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This

It’s a better version of Forrest Gump, but not really Oscar-worthy.

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by Kitspool on Jan 22, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

overrated in my opinion

Hence my nickname for it, “Forrest Dump”

Not necessarily bad, I just didn’t find it that good either

by NeifiChicken on Jan 20, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I didn’t have to hear about how good it was or sit and watch it that long, I would probably say it was a decent flick.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But that’s kinda like saying Zito would be a decent #5 starter if it weren’t for the money.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I watch too many action movies, but I kept waiting for things to happen that never did. Dude leaves old Benjamin alone in the big city for the first time?? What happens?? Nothing. He gets home late and his “mother” was worried. Sleeps with a married woman?? Confrontation with husband?? No. Emotional breakup with woman?? No. He just goes down to the kitchen one night and she’s no longer there. Man tells him he’s his father?? Big emotional thing?? No. Benjamin gets up and walks out. Wayyy too long for a slow moving movie. His voice alone reminded me of Forrest Gump, let alone the story line. Seeing that woman he was sleeping with on the TV after swimming the English channel was more Gump than Gump was.

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by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I say Wall-E, but I’m biased. Also, I haven’t seen most of the big Oscar nominated ones.

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been horrible at seeing all the big movies this year. I would love to see Wall-E win it. And I liked Milk. And uh… that’s about all I’ve seen of the big ones.

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by jponry on Jan 20, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My picks

Pretty close to the OP.

1. Wall-E (loved it. I’m a huge Pixar fan)
2. Revolutionary Road (almost technically perfect. Mendes’ direction was masterful)
3. Milk (I adored this film, but then again it is a Sean Penn film and he’s been my favorite since Fast Times. Seriously).
4. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days (amazing film with incredible camera-work)
5. Let the Right One In (rocked my world — and I don’t even like the genre. The last fifteen minutes is jaw-dropping great)

Best Actor: Can’t decide between Penn for “Milk” or Mickey Rourke for “The Wrestler.” Two great, very nuanced performances.

Best Actress: Anne Hathaway for “Rachel Getting Married.” It’s a far cry from the Princess stuff.

Supporting Actor: Heath Ledger, of course. Any doubts? Look at the contrast between his characters in “Brokeback Mountain” and “TDK.” Day and night. That’s range.

Supporting Actress: Viola Davis for “Doubt.” It was a very small, but powerful role. You could see the hurt in her eyes.

Director: the aformentioned Sam Mendes.

Original screenplay: my boy from the greatest TV show ever: Thomas McCarthy for “The Visitor.”

Adapted screenplay: John Patrick Shanley for “Doubt.” He wrote the play, so it’s fitting he polished the heck out of the story for the big screen.

-Dave

by MiGigantes on Jan 20, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the visitor

but isn’t it from 2007? I could be wrong.

And let’s give a shout out for The Station Agent while we are at it.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Visitor

For the purposes of the Academy, it’s a 2008 film. It was first released in Canada in fall, 2007, but didn’t make its American debut until Sundance a year ago January. It received its general release last April. So it qualifies as a 2008 release.

-Dave

by MiGigantes on Jan 20, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And didn’t I see 4 Months… in 2007?

Also: that’s a fun one.

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days (amazing film with incredible camera-work)

I’ll second this…didnt expect to see it in anyone’s list. Just a brilliant film in every way.

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by bgunn on Jan 21, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve also not been good at seeing these movies this year, but part of that has been disinterest. I saw Dark Knight and Wall-E. I have little to no interest in Benjamin Button. I’m not very interested in Frost/Nixon for reasons that I’m exactly able to pin down (possibly just because of my youth, maybe a general distaste for Ron Howard, maybe knowing that the interviews are (manipulatively?) out of order… I don’t know). Milk I really want to see, but I also don’t see the difference between seeing it on DVD in a few months and seeing it now. The Wrestler, for all of its performances seems really like a formula film to me and I’m in no rush to see it.

Slumdog Millionaire I want to see badly, and just haven’t made time for it yet.

So you can see, if it’s not about TDK, my contributions to this thread won’t be very substantive. Which I guess is on par with normal, so that’s not too bad.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really want to see Slumdog Millionaire. I might go this weekend.

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by jponry on Jan 20, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Those are the two movies I’ve seen, too!

But then, I don’t see very many movies due to how busy I usually am.

And, now that concludes my useless and pointless contribution to this thread.

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by thehavenot on Jan 21, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Wall E right before I went on a cruise. If I hadn’t, I would have put on ten more pounds than I actually did. I actually thought that that was a brilliant touch, something that all kids would definitely miss.

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by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wall-E was fantastic

I dont think Penn will win best actor, but i really have no idea

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by CB30 on Jan 20, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is this because you saw other films with a better choice? If so, please explain. Also, did you see Milk?

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, Revolutionary Road, as well acted as it was, was almost a rehash of American Beauty only with the wife as the disillusioned party. It was just too similar in many respects for Mendes to garner a win here, IMO.

Slumdog Millionaire was an entertaining film and a godd story, but Best Picture? Only in Hollywood where they lap this stuff up. Doesn’t deserve it.

Similarly, Rourke will win Best Actor for the same reason that Slumdog might win Best Picture. It makes a good story.

Marisa Tomei….lap dancer. Need I say more? Give her the Best Suppoting Actress for making our days.

Benjamin Button……..I think not. For anything. PLEASE…if anyone that votes has any sense, don’t make this mistake.

Winslet in a landslide for Best Actress. Don’t see Angelina moving her off this.

Best Picture………Defiance, but it won’t win. May not even be nominated. DISCLAIMER: have not seen Gran Torino.

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by oldrips on Jan 20, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I liked Defiance if I don’t think about it too hard but man did that movie have holes.

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 20, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but the power of that previously untold story overcomes that….again IMO.

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by oldrips on Jan 20, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t seen it and even had to look up what you were talking about. The fact that you agree the film has holes should sink your argument for best picture, btw. Can Craig even act? I hated him in 007..he seemed very wooden.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I understand that double-0s have a very short life expectancy.

I love that line. Course it’s from Casino Royale, not the one that came out in ’08.

by non sequitur on Jan 20, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the power of the story is the film’s only argument, it’s screwed. Story is what the writing awards are for (and unfortunately they often get those wrong, IMO). It’s best picture, so – in theory – it should go to the film with the best overall combination of acting, directing, shooting, set design, writing, editing, sound, blah blah blah. From what I’ve heard from within the industry, Slumdog will win, even though Rev Road deserves to. Bear in mind, I’ve seen neither film, but this is what I’ve been hearing from people who are connected.

by cornball on Jan 20, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You got it right.

Slumdog winning would be really sad, too. Of the probable best picture noms, it is the one with the weakest combination of everything.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Revolutionary Road v. American Beauty

I have to disagree. In tone, they’re two completely different films. Same director, but that’s where the similarities end, imo. I just think it’s dismissing a great film if the Academy feels the same way.

-Dave

by MiGigantes on Jan 20, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And to compare.

AB has a lot more in terms of subplots and the leitmotif of the American Beauty Rose is pounded over and over. Rev. Road may have a leitmotif, but nothing so dominant. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, AB is amazing. Also so so different.

AB is hopeful. It takes place during a different time period. It deals with drugs and sexuality and age issues. Rev. Road is almost exclusively about how men and women interact and the cruel reality of pursuing dreams versus maintaining responsibilities. Bleh…I could go on but the two films are very different beside some casual similarities.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m hoping for Milk to take it. I’ve seen most of the movies you mentioned as possible nominees and Milk by far was the best movie I’ve seen this year. Also, I may be the only person in the world who did not like both Dark Knight and Wall-E. I especially hated Wall-E. I’ll ban myself.

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 20, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lots of love for Wall-E on this site. I have to admit, I didn’t exactly love it. For me, it had its moments, but it was also boring at times, and it just wasn’t that great, definitely not best picture material in a year with some strong contenders.

/ducks

I did like dark knight though.

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by raisingcain on Jan 20, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

/glares and silently writes on his list

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on board with raisingcain — I like the Salon reviewer who said Wall-E isn’t even the best Pixar film this decade. Please add me to your list.

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by Kitspool on Jan 22, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it was the best Pixar film this decade, but it was still very good.

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by Natto on Jan 22, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wall-E was great. As much a love story as it was a love story for film. Aside from some of the best animation you’ll see anywhere else, the story has a lot of balls for a movie that will be seen by a younger demographic without being unfriendly to that demographic.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also..

Has the best credits sequence EVER. Bar none. Plus a kick ass song by Peter Gabriel that will probably get best song. Wall-E really isn’t over until the last credit rolls by.

Another Wall-E not. Not everyone liked it. Not everyone likes any film. But…I’ve never seen a film that garnered such love from the people who did like it as Wall-E. That’s why I think it’s the best film of the year. People REALLY love the film.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

People REALLY love the film.

As evidenced by the current poll results. 66% Wall-E. Yikes.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno. “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” is pretty much the Gold Standard when it comes to credit sequences. And I kinda liked the one that ran after “Slumdog Millionaire,” too. JPonry: make sure you stay through the whole film. I caught that film for the second time over the weekend (had to determine if I still felt it was overrated; only slightly changed my mind) and as the credits started to roll, I had to personally caution the audience around me to stay in their seats. Not spoiling anything here — just warning people to stay.

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by MiGigantes on Jan 20, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What plays during the credits is very awesome.

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

There is no comparison in terms of credit sequences, really. Ferris Buellers credits roll over the end of the film. Wall-E’s credits are something else entirely.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

God

I hated the Slumdog credit scene (loved the movie)

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a tribute to Bollywood. I would have been disappointed if the movie didn’t end that way.

by cheno on Jan 22, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know its a tribute

But it seemed out of place, maybe if the two mainn characters were good dancers it would have been a different story

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by TexasRanger on Jan 22, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ug. I hate Ferris Bueller.

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by kennv on Jan 22, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As much a love story as it was a love story for film.

I have to strongly disagree with on you on that, sir. I think of a love story— even the most hackneyed of all Hollywood dreck — are more than the lilting coos and learned and mimicked co-dependent behavior put on display here by the protagonist and his new friend. You might as well have parrots in love. (Say! There’s an idea.)

What did you think was ballsy about the story, Howie?

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, it’s ballsy for the younger demographic. It’s not that ballsy in a wider sense, but the overall tone is pretty damning. Earth as a barren wasteland. Humans disaccociated from not only each other, but also life as a whole. It might not be anything you’ve never seen, but it’s the kind of thing that is dumbed out of a lot of these movies to keep them kid friendly. I appreciate that the movie took the risk to show that difficult concepts can be kid friendly.

And as for it being a love story, it’s not a love story in the sense I think you’re going for. The whole love theme in the movie is based around the idea of contact, and specifically holding hands. It’s not just Wall-E and Eve, though they are the characters who present the theme most directly. You see it played through with John and Mary (wow, I just realized what their names are). But the idea of touching and being touched, though visually very literal in the movie, is standing in for the idea that human contact improves individual life. When people begin interacting, then good things start happening, and therein lie the seeds of love.

Which is the theme that I’m getting at. It’s not the LOVE story. It’s a story about where love, where all of the best parts of society start. That’s the theme you get with the plant bud. It’s just sprouting. But even it doesn’t survive without human interaction (remember, the Captain waters it). You see Wall-E and Eve, and then John and Mary experience the beginnings of love. You see again the idea of love and beginnings when John and Mary save the babies (“John, get ready to have some babies,” Mary says). Then again, through the credits, you continue to see the motif of sprouting, the ideas of interaction, cooperation, relationship building, etc.

Although, when you say “You might as well have parrots in love. (Say! There’s an idea.)” it just makes me think that everything you’re missing is the result of an inability to suspend your disbelief for some “robots.” And if that’s the case, you’re missing a damn lot.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, one can suspend their disbelief all they want, it still doesn’t mean they are going to care. The assumption that the viewer failed, in some way, to suspend disbelief and therefor is to blame actively contributing in the dissatisfaction with the film, is flawed. With every film one sees, the viewer already suspends disbelief. That’s why we don’t run out of the theater in fear that that train is going to hit us. (Unless you’re on acid, then go ahead and run.)

I’ll admit that I just watched this film today out of the constant recommendations from everyone here. I avoided it for the longest time, because I know it’s not my kind of picture. But I watched it anyway, because there is nothing I love more than being surprised by a film. And it was a nice looking film… but there was not much else for me, I’m afraid. Just wanted to see what everyone else was seeing that I missed. And I still don’t know!

You better not steal my parrot idea!

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if I came off strong with the suspension or disbelief remark. I just know too many people who have dismissed films completely out of hand because “it’s a dumb cartoon” or “a fish can’t have feelings.” I’m a little quick to jump on that. I’m always willing to accept that a movie just didn’t touch somebody so long as they gave it a fair shake (note: this doesn’t apply if we’re talking about Resident Evil Apocalypse, in which case nobody needs to ever give it a fair shake).

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

…dismissed films completely out of hand because "it’s a dumb cartoon"…

Oh, oh, oh…I know someone who has done that!

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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 20, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries, man.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

That was beautifully written. If I could rec my own thread, I would just so more people could see what you wrote.

Actually….now that I think of it.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 20, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wall-E is pretty interesting for the fact that the audience understands (although in some cases not necessarily believes) that those characters are in love based on coos and mimicked behavior. Not sure if that’s an intentional choice by the filmmakers, though, and definitely isn’t a judgement call on its audiences. Just kind of neat to sit and think about (for me anyway).

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to write a long analysis stating my reasons for loving Wall-E, but I think HTS hit on the main points. Thanks for doing the work for me!

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by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dangit! I have to remember to ask for the money first next time!

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Gran Torino is even nominated for something it’ll be a travesty, it’s easily one of the worst movies i’ve ever seen.

I think Wall-E was good but pretty overrated, not even in the top 4 Pixar movies.

Haven’t seen most those others but I can’t get over how stupid of a plot aging backwards is, I can’t even bring myself to go see tit because it just sounds like a really bad idea for a movie.

by TimLincecumIsGod on Jan 20, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would it help if you knew that Benjamin Button is based on an F. Scott Fitzgerald short story?

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but JUST BARELY. I read it by accident last summer and then forgot I did, that’s how memorable it was.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never read it, actually, but I am aware of it. Personally, Fitzgerald begins and ends with Babylon Revisited. Beyond that, everything else is kind of a blur (except Gatsby, which escapes blur status from having been read – and lectured on – so very many times).

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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in the GodLincecum camp regarding Torino.

What is the basis for nominating it – because it was made?
Because Eastwood made it and he’s the Flavor Of The Decade as far as iconic actors who direct?

I have never felt so good about being alive after a film as after seeing this the first time.

Not trying to sound snarky , but…how old are you? Serious curiosity here , not trying to discredit your feeling that way. It’s great that a movie can elicit that depth of reaction.

   I really enjoy most Eastwood films , it really did take a whole day to recover from what Million Dollar Baby did to me…I got all caught up in the give – and – take and the feelgood success aspect , only to have my lungs ripped out at the end. Sort of the complete opposite of your Wall – E reaction…

Hasn’t the "robot cute’ formula been done before? Something about artificial intelligence…

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by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure if you’re talking to me here or not.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brace yourselves for screwiness nonpareil
I’m not sure if you’re talking to me here or not.

Whom are you referring to?

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

gran torino

It is very flawed and should not be nominted BUT it was a story Eastwood had to tell. i saw it as him excorcising all of his old film demons and i thought it was important. However the Hmong acting was awful, i know they were all non-professional and i feel that was a mistake, they sucked.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m repeating myself, but weren’t those demons exercised in Unforgiven? Or is Gran Torino just the Dirty Harry version?

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

Yes there is a similarity in the films (Unforgiven is better) but the endings are completely opposite, in Unforgiven he spends the whole movie tearing down his legends and in the end shows us he is the same old Clint. In Gran
torinio he shows up as the same badass who is very intimidating but in the end finally tears his legend down for dood.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the interest of educamation

what demons were those?

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clint's Characters

He is just bringing his entire film career to full circle with Gran Torino

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed Gran Torino

maybe because I just watch a movie to be entertained. Maybe I’m dumb, but I don’t watch a movie and decide whether it’s Oscar worthy or look for the meaning of life. I just want to have fun and escape for a couple of hours. I enjoyed Eastwood’s Archie Bunker type sense of humor, and the way he grew from a bitter old racist to a man who cared about these people enough to make the ultimate sacrifice so that they could have a better life.

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by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed it too

I didn’t say it was bad, i just don’t think its Oscar worthy, its definately worth seeing.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 24, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ya, my problem is that the movie wasn’t entertaining.

the acting was absolutely horrible, the dialogue was ridiculously bad (they basically had to explain everything that was happening as it happened when it was completely unnecessary), and there was absolutely no plot. a movie can only get by on racial slurs for so long before it actually has to have a point to it. it was the first movie every where i actually walked out of the theater about an hour and 15 minutes in because i just couldn’t take it anymore. it was that bad.

by TimLincecumIsGod on Jan 25, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While I’d never walk out on Clint (Not at these prices!) I’ve never seen all of The Gauntlet , nor will I try.

I came across Sondra Locke’s book The Good , the Bad And the Very Ugly the other day…funny , no other book has made me hiss and recoil in horror before…

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm 36

I don’t really see how this is relevant, though.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 21, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was admittedly a kneejerk , cynical response to expression of inner joy over , um , an animated movie. (This from a guy who gets misty when Woody and Buzz land in the box in the backseat)

 I just wondered what your sample size was , but since

 a. You’re fairly up there
and
b. You’ve seen more movies in the last six months than I’ve seen in the last six years

I’d have to say it’s a seasoned response , and I apologizingly retract the question.

Now I have to see this purveyor of positivity.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what would be your top 4 pixar movies?

A quickly-thought out list of mine would be:

Wall-E
Toy Story
Nemo
The Incredibles
Monster’s Inc.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and I just listed 5

curse waking up at 5 AM to go to the gym

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Top four for me are probably (in an equally quickly thought out way):

1: Incredibles
2: Wall-E
3: Monsters, Inc.
4: Ratatouille

It gets fuzzy around 4, and the top two are probably interchangeable at this point, but there you have it.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I ought to see Ratatouille

It didn’t appeal much to me at first glance but I’ve heard good things

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually get annoyed by the main character, but the sum of the parts is so much better than the individual character that it barely bothers me. I also see it as a legitimate companion piece to The Incredibles, and that makes me like it all the more.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I also see it as a legitimate companion piece to The Incredibles, and that makes me like it all the more.

Please explain. Like UnleashTheGore, I guess I should see Ratatouille, but then I’m not very fond of The Incredibles (and I’m not a big Pixar-fan generally). So what theme does Ratatouille complement or supplement? Or how is it a companion?

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by kennv on Jan 22, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the theme of some people are special/not special and that is okay. howtheyscored can go into more detail if he wishes, but that is the gist of it.

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by thehavenot on Jan 22, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, thehavenot and I have gone over this before on these boards. A quick search for “incredibles ratattouille” should bring up that exact conversation. I think that in a lot of ways, Ratatouille was Brad Bird finishing the thought process on some rather hefty (or at least unconventional) ideas that he started in Incredibles.

The very short version is. Incredibles states that some people are innately better at things than others, but Ratatouille finishes that by saying that natural benefits do not preclude greatness. A line from each movie that sums it up:

Elastigirl: “Everybody’s special, Dash”
Dash: “That’s just another way of saying no one is”

Oft repeated: “Anyone can cook.”

Looking at it now, that’s a very messy explanation. thehavenot actually articulates it far better in our previous discussion.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 22, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dash line

My absolute favorite line of any Pixar movie; and something that may be far more of a “libertarian” message than anything Wall-E has to say (which I adore). FWIW, The Incredibles is a close #2 to me behind Wall-E.

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by Aadik on Jan 25, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“What are YOU lookin’ at , ya hockey puck?”

I’ll always roll at that one – it epitomizes the adult entertainment factor of Disney/Pixar for me as no one who doesn’t have an understanding of Rickles’ standup history will get it.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 26, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I agree with this list.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 21, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Ratatouille
2. Toy Story
3. Toy Story 2
4. The Incredibles

by TimLincecumIsGod on Jan 25, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AUGH DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE

Ok…

1) Ratatouille
2) Toy Story
3) The Incredibles
4) Finding Nemo

These sort of drift from spot to spot depending on my mood. Weird that I Wall-E didn’t pop in my mind first, even though I really like it.

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by Natto on Jan 21, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Top 4 Pixar Movies

yes.

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by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

okay okay

no order

Wall-E
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc.
Toy Story

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by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Ratatouille
2. Toy Story
3. Wall-E
4. Monsters Inc.

There’s a decent gap between 3 and 4 for me, and I liked almost everything else about as much as Monsters Inc.
The only one that I didn’t really care for was Cars.

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by oldjacket on Jan 21, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1 – Wall-E
2 – Rataouille
3 – Nemo
4 – Incredibles

by positiveuphemism on Jan 21, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ratatouille
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc

but I’m pretty sure Wall-E will replace one of these, theres a big gap between the top 2 and bottom 2.

by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 25, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Top 4 Pixar

The Incredibles
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc.
Wall-E

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by thehavenot on Jan 21, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I just got back from The Wrestler, and Mickey Rourke is going to win it. I can’t say it’s a “better” performance than Penn’s as they are both great in their own way, but knowing the Academy Rourke has got it in the bag.

by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2009 11:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Rourke being Rourke in a role custom fit for him

vs.

Penn looking, acting, sounding completely different than every before.

Really?

by positiveuphemism on Jan 21, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, 'really.'

You can also say that Penn was playing a well known personality and that his job was to mimic, and that Rourke was just pulling a performance out of his ass. If the role was as custom fit for Mr. Rourke as you claim, why, in every interview with Rourke and/or the director of the film have claimed that Rourke had to follow strict direction with no personal interpretation. If the role was so custom fit, the director would not have placed such a heavy stipulation on Rourke — one he did not place on Ms. Tomei, I might add. This says Rourke had to go out of his normal mode of Rourkiness to play this character, or not get to play it at all.

Now, if you read my original post, instead of ‘really’ jumping to conclusions, you will see that I see their performances as pretty equal, because they did had different jobs to do. Either of them *should" win, but knowing how other actors are going to vote in this category, Rourke is going to win. ANd he deserves it. BUt it somehow Penn were to win, he would deserve it as well. That’s what I ‘really’ said.

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

don’t actors say the toughest thing is to play yourself?? If that’s not a crock of shit, then Rourke’s performance is superior to Penn’s. Considering the way that Rourke virtually threw it all away, can’t you make the case that playing this character might have been the hardest thing he ever had to do??

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by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I go to the movies to be entertained

Thus I don’t really care what the Academy thinks, because they rarely make the right pick, in my humble opinion. The most enjoyable movies I saw this year were Wall-E & Dark Knight.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What’s the deal with Gran Torino? I kind of want to see it but I’m afraid it’s going to be some angsty suburban white dude fantasy film.

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bah

If you can’t enjoy a Clint movie where he’s an asshole to everyone and shoots some guns, then I really don’t know what to say to you. (not you, I mean anyone in general)

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying I wouldn’t like it! I just think that some people might miss the point (that’s if it has one, I don’t know yet. I haven’t seen it.)

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CLINT EASTWOOD KILL MINORITIES!

That movie had the dumbest advertising. I’m actually less inclined to see it because the advertising was so focused on Badass Old White Dude Kills Minorities.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Granted, I know the movie is actually about more than this, but it saddens me that it can only sell with this message behind it.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not really how I perceived the trailer

It seemed more of a story about Badass Old White Dude Protects His Neighbors from Minorities. I don’t think it’s meant to be racist at all, but a story about an old fart that hates everyone but learns to help people. I dunno, I haven’t seen it yet, so I can’t speak in certainties.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify, I don’t think the movie is designed to be racist in any way, shape or form. I think the marketing has been racist, though. And that’s my issue.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I knew a guy who say it and thought it was hilarious when Clint was calling people Zipper-Heads or something. I think he was missing the point of the film, if it had a deeper one. That’s what I meant, I can see a lot of suburban white dudes being like HECK YEAH but not getting it.

I don’t know if I’m making sense!

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kills Minorities

Clearly did not see it if you think that is even in the movie, honestly you really know nothing about the film, go see it and then tell me if suburban white dudes would get pumped, unless you want me to spoil it.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

honestly you really know nothing about the film

Maybe because I haven’t seen it!

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

See It

Before you pass a judgement like Clint Eastwood kills minorities.

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that’s what the studio chose to play up in the television commercials I have seen.

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, Clint Eastwood has been killing minorities on screen for forty or fifty years now. Of course it’s seldom that simple, but obviously a lot of his movies are structured around the time-honored theme of a strong, taciturn Anglo-Saxon type defending civilization against dark-skinned barbarians. Which is what happens in the Gran Torino trailer.

The question (which I don’t really know the answer to) is whether the depth and the complexity of the actual films justify the endless recycling of these appalling archetypes.

by Evan on Jan 21, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In most of those movies, he’s defending civilization against bad guys who are just as Anglo-Saxony as he is.

Lee Van Cleef, for example. Or the bad guys in High Plains Drifter. Or the bad guy in Dirty Harry.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jan 21, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“Well I’m all broken up about his rights.”

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think xanthan was passing judgment on the “angsty suburban white people” who whoop and holler because Clint is getting his kill on. I don’t think I saw him pass judgment on the movie itself.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but...

Oh screw it just see the movie

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by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

number of minorities that Clint Eastwood kills in Gran Torino=0

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by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All I’m saying is that you couldn’t possibly guess that based on the commercials. I’m not judging the movie on the marketing. I just simply do not like the marketing.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They used easy bait , i.e. the confrontation.

We jump to the conclusion he kills anybody…and flock to the theater in big numbers.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 25, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard it was hilarious, but I don’t actually know jackshit about it.

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by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

save the $10 and save about 2 hours of your time that you would be just throwing away. the movie is ridiculously bad.

by TimLincecumIsGod on Jan 25, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sriusly?
Also, Iron Man was the better super hero film…and that is because the star, Robert Downey Jr., made it so.

FTL. Ironman was okay, nothing spectacular. Very predictable and a silly “final boss”, but it was definitely a good summer flick.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 21, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Iron Man never aimed to be a deep epic drama. It’s just a solid, fun superhero movie that goes through the motions, but does it really well.

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by Natto on Jan 21, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, and one problem I had with The Dark Knight is that it is a deep epic drama, but it’s stuck in the body of a superhero movie. Every time I would start to get really moved or otherwise caught up in it, Batman would show up on screen and I would think “Oh, this is silly.”

by Evan on Jan 21, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I used to go to the movies at least once a week, but in the last few years it’s down to once every two or three months. I did see Gran Torino last weekend, and while it was great to see “Clint being Clint” again — the dude still has it — I thought he covered GT’s ground way more effectively in Unforgiven. Sure there are differences, but the western/allegorical setting of Unforgiven, supporting cast, script, direction — all make it a better film in my opinion.

I love The Dark Knight and think it finally proves you can make a great “film” with a comic book character, but I think the movie’s got problems as well. It covers a lot of ground and is pretty admirably economic with its storytelling, but I think it also sacrifices clarity at a few points. Also: how did they make Maggie Gyllenhaal (sp) look like a worse actress than Katie Holmes?

Burn After Reading: Love.

Wall-E: I think is waaaay overhyped. I love Pixar with the exception of Cars, and I dig the non-dialog opening, but the flick is getting way too much credit for its thematics, especially those explored aboard the spaceship. I wish those would have been developed more.

Stuff I really want to see:

The Wrestler
Let the Right One In
Benjamin Button
Waltz with Bashir (Walk with Bashir? Can’t remember)

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I also want to see Milk. Knew I was forgetting one.

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That last one sounds like a ST: DS9 fanfic.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definately

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by thehavenot on Jan 21, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also: sorry for making this an oration and not weaving into the existing discussion.

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Waltz

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jan 22, 2009 3:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most memorable movies I saw this year:

Still Life
Paranoid Park
Wall-E
Dark Knight
Happy-Go-Lucky
Wendy and Lucy
Waltz with Bashir
The Reader

The last was memorable because it was so fantastically awful, but the rest are all good movies.

by Evan on Jan 21, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really want to see Waltz with Bashir.

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by Natto on Jan 21, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw it this weekend. Stunning!

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by Roger on Jan 26, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering

Did you have some prior knowledge about the Lebanon War before watching Waltz with Bashir? Just seems to me that the movie would be pretty hard to understand otherwise.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jan 22, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite all year

was In Bruges, i thought it was brilliant and was thrilled that Farrell won a golden globe for it. I saw it almost one year ago and i didn’t see anything that i liked as much

Why does Sabean always look constipated?

by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Heard really good things about that, haven’t seen it yet.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a good one. Completely out of left field in just about every way.

by sakbaum on Jan 21, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

i laughed but i was also deeply moved, a very odd movie to classify.

Why does Sabean always look constipated?

by TexasRanger on Jan 21, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorites:

1. Slumdog Millionaire (Amazing concept that always kept you wondering what was going to happen next.)
2. Frost/Nixon (Such a surprisingly deep film. Langella isn’t getting enough attention,)
3, Tropic Thunder (Sue me. But I admire an intelligent comedy that never takes itself seriously, Plus RDJ)
4. The Dark Knight (Reached the pinnacle oh what you can do with a comic book film.)
5. The Wrestler (Pretty much exclusively because of Rourke. That’s how good he was.)
6. In Bruges (Incredibly rewatchable movie that makes you laugh and then feel guilty for laughing and emotional all at the same time.)

Haven’t seen Milk, Wall-E or Benjamin Button.

by cheno on Jan 22, 2009 1:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wall-E

A question for the OP and the other posters here. Which message in Wall-E was heavy handed? The eco-disaster or the true-love never dies?

I was reading interviews with Ben Burtt, and he thought the eco-disaster element of the story was all background, and not really meant to be the “message,” but had developed out of a way to strand Wall-E in a deserted island scenario. I think of it like the crummy world in Blade Runner (where the message is finding humanity) even as the human race flees earths dying/poisonous environment.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Jan 22, 2009 7:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly enough, the human (B-)story in Wall-E was originally a hideous gelatinous alien race that was completely disassociated from the earth, ecology, current events and humanity. It only became a human element and developed an eco-message relatively late in the story process and, in many ways, out of necessity.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 22, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I didn’t think any message was heavy handed.

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by Natto on Jan 22, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF????

Benjamin Button gets 13 nominations?

Winslet is not even nominated for Revolutionary Road?

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. This is the “Academy” after all. They usually get it wrong…….and did again, on many fronts.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 22, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Of course they got it wrong

Shakespear in Love winning a bunch of academy awards was proof enough that the Academy doesn’t know shit.

by Hobbes2d on Jan 22, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A movie not yet mentioned here

Okay, it’s a documentary. But it’s nominated for Best Documentary, and I just saw it last week, and holy fucking shit is it great: “Man on Wire”. Talk about incredible storytelling—a true historical event (guy tightrope walks between the two World Trade Center towers) where the filmmakers had very little actual visual documentation and almost no news footage to work with. So they use interviews with the people who took part, interspersed with drawings and old pictures, then get some actors to recreate how everything happened, to the point where you completely forget you’re watching a recreation. It’s one of the most compelling tales I’ve ever seen made into a movie. And of course there’s the whole subtext of 9/11 without it ever being mentioned once during the entire film.

Also, glad to see Josh Brolin got a Best Supporting Actor nomination for “Milk”. He was amazing as Dan White. Although he’ll almost certainly lose the award to Heath Ledger. Fair enough.

My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.

by Kitspool on Jan 22, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

THIS THIS THIS

Man on Wire. Yes.

Yes.

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 24, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Benjiman Button gets 13 nominations?

Of course. That was the point of the movie anyway.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 22, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m now seeing Slumdog Millionaire on Friday.

And I was hoping to be able to avoid Benjamin Button, but I guess I should go see it now so I can rant intelligently if it wins a shitload of awards.

I mean, 13 nominations is a ridiculous amount for a movie that’s only at 72% on RT at the moment.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jan 22, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OMG PITT AGES BACKWARDS!!1onez

by xanthan on Jan 22, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it’s hilariously bad and not just boringly bad.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jan 22, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is how my girlfriend described this movie to me after seeing it. “Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett growing to the appropriate ages to have sex with each other so it wouldn’t be weird.”

Adopted son of in limbo Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 25, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shocked and aghast

I wish I had more time to rant but I just am blown away that Rev. Road was almost totally ignored. I know the film is unpleasant, but as a work of art it is extraordinary. Sometimes I just don’t understand what the hell the academy is thinking.

Of course, this has been a spectacular year for film. Some things are going to get pushed out of the top five, but no nods for actor/actress/adapted screenplay/director or picture. I never saw that coming. Especially actress. WTF.

by positiveuphemism on Jan 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes I just don’t understand what the hell the academy is thinking.

 It’s like those years that really refreshing music makes the airwaves yet Aerosmith gets the Grammy.
Heavy lobbying , maybe.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Jan 25, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree re: Rev. Road. But I love movies where people are angsty, feel unfulfilled, smoke drink and yell a lot — it’s the Tennessee Williams in me.

by satyricrash on Jan 25, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spectacular year for film

I was really shocked when you said that. Thinking back over the year when the announcements were made my own reaction was how unaffecting the entire year in movies was. Virtually every nomination in most of the major categories I felt was for something rather pedestrian and mediocre, yet in most cases there wasn’t much that I was outraged about being omitted. I came to the conclusion that it really was a pretty minor year for movies. Even things I loved (like the aforementioned Man on a Wire) had pretty serious flaws (in the case of MOAW, the bizarrely discordant ending that suddenly sends you out of the theatre on a big bummer after an hour and half of magic) and most of the Oscar nominations were just the typical big pretty, empty-headed Oscar baiting films that always come out in December — virtually any of which could have been made by the King of the pretty empty genre Anthony Minghella were he still alive. Just all in all meh meh meh.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Jan 26, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I KNOW YOU WERE ALL WAITING FOR THIS

Slumdog Millionaire was A+++

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jan 23, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

finally!

Now I can go see it with full confidence.

by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 25, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Loved it - seen it twice.

If any of you are doing in the Palo Alto area, the Aquarium theatre is still showing it, I think.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jan 25, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're all wrong

Best movie of the year: Paul Blart-Mall Cop

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 24, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I don’t think it made it to the deadline for submissions.

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by Natto on Jan 24, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dark Knight fits my taste more than the other movies.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Jan 25, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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