Jonathan Sanchez and the World Baseball Classic
by Grant on Jan 20, 2009 1:14 PM PST
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First off, I’d like to thank the Giants for appointing me to deliver the following message to the world:
Thank you for your mock trade proposals. While we are not completely opposed to trading Jonathan Sanchez in the right deal, we will not entertain any Sanchez trade that ends with the Giants getting a player who will be a free agent after this season. Just stop. We will not trade Sanchez for Adrian Beltre, we will not trade him for Hank Blalock. We will not trade him for Adam LaRoche, we will not trade him for Xavier Nady. Please, for the love of all that is holy, stop.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
The San Francisco Giants
Well, the Giants didn’t exactly appoint me, but they should have.
Sanchez is one of the best strikeout arms in the majors, and while it seems like we’re waiting for him to arrive, it’s easy to forget that as late as July, he had arrived. Sanchez-related discussions were not in future tense. He was here. He’d arrived. His orange velvet "Big Three"-robe was monogrammed and everything.
Then the second half of the season came, and Sanchez disintegrated. His strikeout rate wasn’t much different, and his walk rate hadn’t changed, but the runs came in Costco-like bulk quantities. Then he was put on the DL with rotator cuff strain. A common theory was that Sanchez was tired from being a full-time starter for the first time in the majors. Another theory was that Sanchez was tired from being jerked around as the Giants’ de facto swingman in the previous season. Both theories have some merit.
So allow me the opportunity to recoil in horror at the news that Jonathan Sanchez will pitch in the World Baseball Classic for Puerto Rico. I can’t blame him for wanting to. I can’t blame the Giants for letting him. I just don’t like it. Usually Sanchez pitches winter ball in Puerto Rico, so I guess this is kind of like a hybrid of winter ball and spring training, but I hated that Sanchez pitched winter ball too. The only study I know of that measured effectiveness of pitchers after the WBC was done in season, and it was heavily disputed, but it did show a little correlation between pitching in the WBC and early season ineffectiveness.
I don’t want to be a negative nelly , but I’d almost rather see Lincecum pitch for the U.S. than see Sanchez throw for Puerto Rico. Almost. I mean, obviously not, but I trust Sanchez’s structural integrity less than anyone else on the staff.
Eh. This is making a mountain out of a pitching mound, I’m sure. It isn’t as if pitchers throw 120+ pitches in the exhibitions, and it isn’t as if the workload is dramatically different from regular spring schedules. Still, I wish Sanchez would take a couple of extra weeks to finish up his screenplay, or something. I like the WBC concept – even if sometimes I feel like that’s a minority position among baseball nerds – but I hope that Sanchez emerges unscathed.
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Not too happy about it..
He hasn’t shown he can take that amount of throwing. The last thing we need is for him to go down, during the WBC or Spring, and still be questioning if Lowry can bounce back and keep our rotation full.
I do however like the WBC.
by scout6 on Jan 20, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because it doesn’t actually really tell us how good each country is?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, kinda. The selection just seems half-hearted and most of the best players in the MLB don’t play. I actually like watching the Asian teams play because they are fun, but overall I just couldn’t get into the WBC last time it was on. Maybe this year will be different.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have it all wrong
The Latin teams are fun and fiery.
The Asian teams are efficient and calculating.
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by marcello on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I went to the Korea v Japan game last WBC at Angel Stadium, and surprisingly it was quite exciting. The tickets were free from a co-worker, and probably wouldn’t have been disappointed if I had paid for them myself.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had low expectations for the tournament. I wasn’t surprised about the quality of play, but the experience of the atmosphere as a whole. Japan was pretty fun to watch.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
Where’ve you been, circuit-bearing friend?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Had a death in my immediate family last week, so I’ve been offline for a bit.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Er, didn’t mean to say immediate. My mother in-law passed last week.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, guys. Do in-laws count as immediate family? How do you term that? I wasn’t sure how to phrase it.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your spouse’s immediate family becomes your immediate family after you marry.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that sounds right. I wasn’t sure. Family Tree stuff confuses me.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My condolences xanthan.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to hear that dude
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to be a negative nelly
It’s ok Grant. You’re a negative nancy
/awaits ban
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that the Giants will advise the PR manager as to how they want him used. I think it’s an honor to represent one’s nation in such an event—it’s just a shame that because of timing caused by the long season that the WBC cannot include the best players from each nation.
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by bgunn on Jan 20, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
It’s baseball that means at least a little to the players in a time of year when the games usually mean nothing more than getting in shape. You also get to see some players that you otherwise wouldn’t.
In other words, I think this is a great idea…..for players on teams other than the Giants.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Generally, I like the idea of the WBC
But Sanchez in particular I am not happy about. I would be okay w/ Lincecum or Cain pitching for team USA – but Sanchez is apparently fragile – and adding extra innings that don’t count probably isn’t a great idea.
by FairweatherFan on Jan 20, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I do not get it
Maybe someone could explain the value of the WBC to me, but it just seems like an arbitrarily set up group of exhibitions that don’t really tell us anything about anything. I mean, it’s fun to watch baseball, sure, but this isn’t the olympics or the world series or anything like that, and I just don’t get it.
by bondslegend on Jan 20, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Money for MLB?
I don’t know either.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jan 20, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather watch a real spring training games than see South Africa play against a bunch of Americans with Italian last names wearing a team Italy jersey.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it just seems like an arbitrarily set up group of exhibitions that don’t really tell us anything about anything.
Um, +1
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 20, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned in a Fanpost, I like the WBC because I get to see players I normally would be able to watch on American TV.
by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is not there supposed to be a not there?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Olympics?
How does the WBC compare with the Olympics?
While some of the team’s roster’s are sort of a joke, I like the WBC. Sort of like how I like regional football tournaments, like the Euro Cup or Copa America.
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by kennv on Jan 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t they take baseball out of the olympics? or was that softball?
by Merope on Jan 20, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Jan 22, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
You could describe MLB the same way, except it’s been around longer and has lots more money involved.
Baseball is entertainment. I am entertained by the WBC. I dunno what it’s supposed to tell me, except “have a good time!” So, yeah…I like the WBC. It’s fun.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Jan 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
I don’t have a problem with other people liking it, but I was just wondering why other people like it.
And as for the MLB, technically you’re right, but when the MLB first started, there wasn’t another huge baseball league already taking up 6 months of the year and employing all the greatest players, it was just a way for people to play and watch baseball in an organized manner. I guess the WBC is the same thing, but it just sort of seems pointless to me, since we already have the MLB and we have spring training games to watch.
Seeing new players is a definite upside, though.
by bondslegend on Jan 20, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's one of the things that annoys me about the WBC
They made up this contrived event with so many shortcomings (mainly that it conflicts so hugely with the players professional obligations) and suddenly tried to sell it to us as something on par with Olympics. The Olympics, or the World Cup or the Euro Cup in soccer didn’t become what they are overnight.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New players , yeah.
Like this guy.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, we care the most about the Giants, but this is also an awful idea for Sanchez personally. He needs a couple of good seasons to ever make any real money playing baseball. I don’t think any pitcher should participate in this until they have signed a long term contract.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think any pitcher should participate in this until they have signed a long term contract.
Let’s send Zito.
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a good idea on many levels
1.) If he gets hurt, big deal.
2.) If nothing else, health and longevity are two things he does have
3.) He can use the practice and get out the early-season sucks
by FairweatherFan on Jan 20, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
um, this
+109
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on the flip side,
If they’ve signed a long-term contract, wouldn’t you rather they not participate for health-related reasons (Zito aside) so they can earn their money?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 20, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, my strong preference would be to just cancel this stupid thing and not see anybody participate.
I agree with your point, I was just trying to look at this from the perspective of the player.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Viva Puerto Rico!
After Javier Vasquez the Puerto Rican team starting pitching includes Joel Piniero, Ian Snell and Jonathan Sanchez. Sanchez has the opportunity to be the #2 pitcher for Puerto Rico so there is a very good possibility of Sanchez pitching for his homeland.
Fred Lewis mentioned that Jonathan was already in Arizona and working out with Sir Alex Hinshaw. The WBC schedule is not as demanding as many think. Puerto Rico should make it out of the Round 1 however probably not out of Round 2 so Sanchez would be back with the Giants in Arizona for the final two weeks of spring training.
Other than in the US the other teams take the WBC very serious. Check out the Domincans they were able to convince ARod to play for DR as they want a better showing than they did in the inaugural WBC.
by wilriv21 on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
y so srious?
by FairweatherFan on Jan 20, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Showcasing?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea of the WBC, fuck the haters.
The biggest teams all seem pretty solid to me, as well. Maybe not a out and out All Star team, but this is hardly like the Olympic rosters.
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by jponry on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But I agree that DNW Sanchez participating.
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by jponry on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
and this
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 20, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike the WBC
fuck the haters.
Send that message to my wife!
BaDum…ching!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 20, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the WBC,
Look at the Dominican Republic’s hitters:
1B- Pujols
2B- Robinson Cano
3B- A-Rod
SS- Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes
LF- Manny
CF- Soriano
RF- Vlad
Only weak spot is the starting pitching…
by monta101 on Jan 20, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
holy hell
that is…staggering.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 20, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
you’ve just given me a reason to watch the WBC. That is insane.
by bondslegend on Jan 20, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their lineup was pretty killer in the first WBC too. Also didn’t have that many good pitchers.
by Natto on Jan 20, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DR could start:
Francisco Liriano
Fausto Carmona
Johnny Cueto
Ubaldo Jimenez
Ervin Santana
Pedro Martinez
Edison Volquez
that is not bad at all
by wilriv21 on Jan 20, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I LOL'ed...out loud!
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not rooting for that team. Manny Ramirez is the only Giant. Felipe Alou is the manager though!!
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by rxmeister on Jan 20, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod was born in NY. what a loser.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In related news, I’m going to go play for teams Russia, Ireland, Germany and Britain.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he claims his mom wanted him to play for DR. Next time he’ll probably play for Israel, since Madonna is making him a Jew!!
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by rxmeister on Jan 20, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She'll make him British too
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the event - it's the timing.
I can’t help but think there’d be a better time [of year] for the WBC. Does the USofA always host this tourney? Couldn’t they play in November or December in some sunny locale? Hawaii sounds good to me!
I just don’t like the idea of our gazillion dollar athletes – especially pitchers – going out and hurting themselves before the season starts. Let ‘em pull a hammy in November when they’ve got time to rehab it before the season starts!
by Merope on Jan 20, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THIS
…is why i voted Meh. It’s also why i’m kinda Meh on the Tour of CA. It’s too early in the season for those dudes to be at their peak. It’s basically a ginormous training caravan.
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by The Gene Hackman on Jan 20, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tour of California?
Just thought I’d be the lone cognizant here.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
Love the idea, love the route(s)… just wish it happened in August or something… after the TdF but before the World Championships.
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by The Gene Hackman on Jan 22, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is basically how I feel. I also wouldn’t mind if every 3 years they took time off in July, instead of the All-Star game to host the tourney with games every day.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Not during spring training. Stop the season for a while or have it after the season. Actually I kind of like that idea. The WBC starts after the season ends. First you play for your MLB teams so if you make the playoffs, then you don’t play in the WBC until you are eliminated. After every playoff series you get a few more teams rosters that can be added to the WBC rosters.
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by WalrusMan on Jan 20, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda of mixed feelings....
I kinda like the WBC, I think it’s cool to have a world tournament style to let all these countries compete against each other. Especially when that has been kind of hit or miss for the Olympics, and professionals aren’t allowed to play in that format either…
As for Sanchez, I’m scared of him getting hurt. But if he’s ever going to be durable he’s going to need to build up arm strength. And the only way pitchers do that is by THROWING. All these old school guys who went 250-300 IP per year primarily threw all the damn time. Leo Mazzone talked about it in the past. He doesn’t think pitchers today, young pitchers especially throw enough in between starts. They baby these guys. So while there is risk, there is risk anytime a pitcher throws a pitch, period. I don’t see how him getting some more work, in what can be a pretty competitive atmosphere is a bad thing. Hopefully it will further help in his development as a starter. But then again I’m kinda already thinking he’s the next Oliver Perez so I’m trying not to get my hopes up too much with his impressive K rate and tantalizing potential.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking of getting the letter to baseball loving internet world tatooed to my back.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity...
How much different is the workload for a pitcher in the WBC than in spring training? Is the issue too much pitching or too little pitching? I remember some pitcher complaining that the WBC was the reason he had a mediocre season, but I feel the majority of pitchers who played had fine seasons. I could be completely wrong about that, but I’m personally pro-WBC and pro-Jonathan Sanchez, so I’d like to think it won’t be an issue.
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by stealth snail on Jan 20, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Too little pitching
Jonathan Sanchez will probably get TWO starts – at best. And those starts would probably be seven days apart. The difference would be that as a starting pitcher he would be expected to pitch at least five innings by March 8th which normally is a little ahead of normal spring training schedule.
by wilriv21 on Jan 20, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much skipped watching the WBC last time, but I’m gonna give it a chance this year.
But I agree that Sanchez shouldn’t participate. The Giants should have stepped in, given his recent injury history.
by The Double Deuce on Jan 20, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jonathan should just not pitch at all then. He might get hurt omgzzzz!!!!!
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he should pitch every second of every day, he’s such a babied little pansy.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
extreme black and white ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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by WTF on Jan 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one good reductio ad absurdum deserves another
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by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how ftw is wtf backwards. I know it’s been said before. Just wanted to say it again.
Also, if you say, “wtfftw”, you got yourself a nice little palindrome.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jan 20, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wah wah wah. If Sanchez wants to represent his country that’s his decision. Stop bitching. He’s just as likely to get injured during the season or off-season as he is pitching in the WBC.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, why would all you pussies try to protect him?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...you wimps!
Dusty Baker is laughing in your face!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're against the WBC
just curious, do you not see any good that could come out of him pitching in the WBC? Some of these teams take this thing pretty seriously isn’t it better to pitch in what is a pretty competitive game than in some meaningless spring training split squad games vs inferior talent?
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it makes a lot of difference pitching in a competitive game. I think a young pitcher with a fragile arm should pitch in situations that his employer (the Giants) can control. If that means sacrificing some competitiveness then I think it is a worthwhile trade off.
I’m all for Sharlon Schoop getting experience playing in a competitive environment, but with Sanchez it’s a risk that is not at all worth taking.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted that is a problem that the Giants can’t control the environment. But it’s not like Bochy does a great job protecting these young arms anyway. So what’s the big worry? He already puts our arms at risk. For all we know the PR manager does a better job managing his pitch count than Bochy.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a pretty silly argument
If the Giants mismanage him and he gets hurt then they deserve what they get (but, in my view, if the Giants allow him to do this, they also deserve what they get). And if he just gets hurt because that’s what young pitchers do, then, hey, those are the breaks. I think if the risk is even a 3 on a scale of 1-10 it’s not worth taking for something so silly.
My biggest concern is that I hate seeing pitchers have their normal routine disrupted.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the routine. Idk I just feel injuries are way too hard to predict, unless with somebody who is injury prone like Sanchez. And that is where the worry concerns me in this instance. But at the same time if he wants to pitch for PR there really isn’t anything that can be done unless the Giants tell him not to….but that doesn’t seem to be the case. So in that case might as well root him on and pray he doesn’t get hurt.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bochy probably does a fine job of protecting his pitchers’ workloads – in ST. It’s only when he’s trying to win games that he makes compromises. I suspect that whoever the PR manager is, he’ll behave similarly.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
COMPLETE GAMEZ
OMGZ TIM NEEDZ CY LEEVE HIM IN THER
by bondslegend on Jan 20, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s his decision, but thinking that it is going to increase his injury risk is completely reasonable.
Quit your bitching about the Double Deuce’s bitching.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except how is it....
increasing his injury risk? Are these games not being played in spring? Isn’t he going to be pitching in games regardless of the WBC or not? Either way he will be getting ready for the season.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 20, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They carefully manage a pitcher during ST, building up until he’s at full strength. And it’s always a worry when your pitcher is in the hands of someone who doesn’t have a stake in his long term success.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 20, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
In ST, pitchers usually start out slow, pitching just a few innings in their first few starts and working their way up to longer workloads as the spring goes on. Players in WBC are going to be thrown straight into competitive situations right from the get-go.
by The Double Deuce on Jan 20, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not only that
but in ST pitchers spend time working on their different pitches regardless of their effectiveness. It’s another reason why ST numbers can be so misleading. but if a pitcher is in the WBC he is trying to get outs with different pitches of which he may not have good command and may overdo it to compensate for lack of control and that increases risk of injury.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly! Breaking with the normal routine is what concerns me
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Bonds would participate if he wasn’t already engaged in March. It would be a good way to show major league teams he can still play.
by Norm Median on Jan 20, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He once had a plate of pasta…so he could play for Italy!
I wonder what Barry would look like hitting against major league (and near ML) pitching today. I’m guessing he’d still be pretty damn good.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Jan 20, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that as well.
Is there any restriction banning barring him from participation?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some players would like to see
Yu Darvish – Japan
Yulieski Gourriel – Cuba
by wilriv21 on Jan 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The entire Cuba team in 2006 was great to watch. Also seeing Sadaharu Oh live and in person, even if he was just there, that was worth it to me.
I love international sport so this is like my Christmas.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 20, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Sanchez
I don’t think Sanchez needs to do WTC. I don’t think he needs to throw more innings. I would like to see what Sanchez can do as a starter next year. I think he has a good upside. Don’t trade your young hard throwers. There are not very many of them.
by northsfbay on Jan 20, 2009 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WTC? Too soon?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am against him doing the Pentagon too
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 20, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Such a dilemma
What happens when Venezuela plays the US?? No Giants on the US team, and Venezuela has Sandoval, Jesus Guzman and Omar Vizquel. I’m going to have to root against us!!
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
by rxmeister on Jan 20, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not to hijack this thread but..
Sanchez is one of 5 players on the roster not scheduled to appear at the Giants Fan Fest. The others: Randy Winn, Noah Lowry, Pablo Sandoval and Velez. Everyone else including free agents are scheduled to be there. Some of the minor leaguers will be there too. Just check the KNBR website for the full list.
A McC newcomer but not outstanding.
by SFGuy on Jan 20, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Giants website has a slightly different list then then KNBR (who sponsors the Fan Fest) website so I don’t know who to believe. On the Giants website 3 of the players I listed above are listed as being there. If the Giants website is correct, add in Sanchez, Sandoval and yes Velez. So only Winn and Lowry aren’t scheduled to be there if you could believe the Giants website.
A McC newcomer but not outstanding.
by SFGuy on Jan 21, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winn
what a stuck up a-hole
/sarcasm
by bondslegend on Jan 21, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I won’t be tempted to tell him what his nicknames are.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Jan 21, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Barry’s pitching? And he’s white now? And his name is Jonathon Papelbon?
Something doesn’t seem right here
by bondslegend on Jan 21, 2009 6:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
epic
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t realize that was a basketball score for far too long. That is one awful offense.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol mountaineers
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 21, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/starts singing John Denver’s Take Me Home, Country Rodes
by xanthan on Jan 21, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take me hooooome....
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've failed lately
but I haven’t reply failed lately
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 21, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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