Ratto's SFGate article on Neukom

I couldn't believe I read something by Ray Ratto and found it interesting or informative. Then I read the second half and my faith in Ray was restored.

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Dammit! I forgot the Duke Neukom reference.

by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jan 17, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good. I hope this kills all the Manny rosterbation.

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

of course it won't

what would you expect him to say?? “We’d like him to ask for more money and more years??” This would kill the Manny talk if other teams were offering Manny three and four year deals, but since nobody else is either, the Giants’ are still in the Manny discussions and Giants’ fans will continue to talk about it.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

RX, you are going to end up being disappointed. Manny is going to sign with the Dodgers. They already put a two year plus an option offer on the table. The Giants do not even want to match that, much less exceed it.

It ain’t happening. I wish every would get over it already.

I am seriously dreading this and the rest of the Giants boards when it doesn’t happen. Heh…

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

err...

I wish every would get over it already.

uh…everyone.

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I have said from day one that Manny will re-sign with the Dodgers, so I won’t be surprised or very much disappointed when it happens. I just think that the Giants’ SHOULD sign the one guy out there that makes them the prohibitive favorite in the NL west. And because he does make so much sense for the 2009 Giants’, other fans are going to continue to talk about the possibility as well. It just amazes me how many fans are just willing to concede the 2009 season and worry about the future. I’m glad the organization doesn’t share this “vision.” I don’t see why you would concede on Opening Day, when you have the money to buy yourself a contender like so many other teams do. All I can say here is that many of the same Giants’ fans who don’t want Manny are going to be the same fans that are complaining this season when Timmy and Matt are losing 1-0 games. I would love to see the Giants’ pull off some brilliant trade or signing in the next few weeks that makes Manny unnecessary, but I have a feeling if there was something out there it would have been done already.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 17, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

At the price Manny is going to get, signing him would be stupid. Would it make the Giants better in ‘09? Sure, but if you take the view that only ’09 matters, we should have been handing out 10 year 200 million dollar deals to CC and Tex in addition to Manny. I mean, fuck ’10 or ’11, right? Let’s win now!

I believe there is value in being payroll flexible. No one is “conceeding” ’09. They are looking at a roster full of question marks and a team in the middle of a rebuild and saying, “Why should the Giants ditch the chance to be good for a long time just because the rest of the division blows? Is making the playoffs in ’09 worth taking on even more anchor contracts that will inhibit payroll maneuverability when the rebuild is closer to complete and the Giants are ready to reap some of the benefits of a patient rebuild?”

We’ve gone down the “Fuck it…vets or bust” path before. People bitched all along as it was happening. Now that the team is finally doing what so many cried and bitched for, those same people want vets again.

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We’re talking about one player here, Manny Ramirez. We’re not talking about trading any kids, we’re not talking about a massive influx of veterans. We’re talking about one player, the ONLY player who would make the Giants’ 2009 lineup decent. We’re also talking about a two year deal, three at the most. You make it sound like Manny’s coming in here on a ten year 300 million deal if he came here. As for Tex and CC, if you signed players like that you think they’ll only make you good in 2009?? When you’re talking about Manny, Tex and CC, you’re talking about the elite players of the game, not the Dave Roberts, Ray Durhams, Moises Alous and the likes they brought in here the last few seasons. The failure of the “vets or bust” policy was that the wrong vets were signed. None of the players we’re discussing here are past their prime.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 17, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

I believe Manny is going to get a 4 year deal. I think it will be 3 plus a player option. I also think he will be a useful player for about half of this contract. If the Giants were in the AL, I’d be all over this. Since that is not the case, he would need to play defense. Something he has struggled to do even in his prime.

No thanks.

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

where’s this four year deal coming from?? The best offer he has right now is two years. I think if he’s lucky he gets three, but more probably it’s two years and an option.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, this at least settles a lot of conjecture, if one reads the other article

Chris Haft spoke more on the subject, and seems to indicate that any roster moves now are likely moot. They’ll wait until mid-season to swoop in with their hopefully spare cash and full understanding of what they have with the kids. Mentions again are Ishikawa and Guzman getting a chance to make it.

by pittsburghian on Jan 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you point to Haft’s article as showing anything when he clearly says in the article that he’s using the Ratto article as his source?? The next scoop Haft gets is his first. I know even less than Haft does, but I’m still willing to bet that the Giants sign Crede or Wigginton if they don’t make a trade.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 18, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Haft was the first to have the Giants and Renteria exchanging contract proposals.

by Dan from NM on Jan 18, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am seriously dreading this and the rest of the Giants boards when it doesn’t happen.

What you can’t wait for comments like this?…

“ZMOG! I CANT BELIEVE THE GIANTS DIDNT GET MANRAM!! SAYBIEN SUX!!!”

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jan 17, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you may see comments like this at the bottom of Henry Schulman articles, but you don’t see comments like this around here. The reason I love this board is because I feel the only idiot posting here is me.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 17, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ZOMG! I CAN’T BELIEVE THE GIANTS DIDNT GEN VLADDIE!! SAYBIEN SUX!!!

by positiveuphemism on Jan 17, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

actually, if you’ve ever read Sabean’s comments on why he didn’t pursue Vlad, the exaggerated response you’ve posted here is actually the proper one.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Jan 17, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

McC is the top result for Google searches for "rosterbation"

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.

by S.F. Giangst on Jan 17, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel proud

And not at all dirty

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies

by baetown415 on Jan 17, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

everyone does it

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 17, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel the pride, but still a little dirty…

by Johnny Disaster on Jan 18, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't make the barehanded pickup with hairy palms

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.

by S.F. Giangst on Jan 19, 2009 5:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs