Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice get the Call
Well deserved in both cases.
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Yay for Rickey!
I don’t feel very strongly about Rice either way.
I continue to be pissed by the results for Blyleven, Trammell and Raines.
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by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t feel very strongly about Rice either way.
I don’t think he belongs, but HE WAS OMG FEARED.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the fact that 28 sportswriters didn’t vote for Rickey is pretty funny (sad).
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Rickey is one of those no-brainer choices.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, the voting indicates that a brain is required to vote for Rickey.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of them claims it was a mistake...
…Corky Simpson says he just “goofed up” in leaving Henderson off his ballot.
The other 27 must not have believed that Henderson is actually retired yet.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but, like, of all the players to forget… how can you forget Rickey Henderson?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he mistook Henderson for Mike Gallego
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But not surprising, considering there were people who didn’t vote for Willie Mays, and Babe Ruth, and Walter Johnson, and….
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the majority of those non-votes are probably votes to deny him unanimity.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to see how many votes David Eckstein receives. Somebody will cite his world series rings as evidence for his deserving to be in the hall of fame and somebody else will say “you know, that’s true.”
And Blyleven still won’t be in.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t have voted for him, but I’m not too put out that he made it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Rice is that he had a very good peak, but it was pretty short.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and when you compare it to some other peaks from the same era (George Foster, etc.), it doesn’t really stand out much.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trammell
Not sure he really belongs, but he’s cool and I want him to get in for no particular reason.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Jan 12, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The number Rickey put up are just insane.
by cheno on Jan 12, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Although he only really needed one
1,406 was enough to get him in the HoF without even looking at his other numbers.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But those numbers are glaring proof of his selfishness and, dare I say it, non gamerness.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grrrr...
I can’t help but get worked up when the Will Clark Line is violated – Rice wasn’t nearly as good as Clark.
Rickey, of course, was amazing, and the thirty writers who left him off should be mocked. Taunted, even.
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by antinous on Jan 12, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the Will Clark Line
It’s a shame that Will’s not still on the ballot. I’ve had the idea that the BBWA should have two columns of votes for each election: one for induction and one for retention on the ballot.
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It made me really happy when Willie McGee got enough votes to stay on the ballot for a second year, even though he had no chance of ever making it.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what's more pathetic...
1) the greatest leadoff man of all time takes his rightful place, but the second greatest leadoff man who ever lived doesn’t even get a quarter of the votes.
or
2) a man gets into the HOF who for many years was the least valuable of his team’s three outfielders.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 12, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the second greatest leadoff man who ever lived
Bobby Bonds was on the ballot?
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Benard: #52489 leadoff man ever.
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by WalrusMan on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be #52490
Right after Dan Gladden.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the fact that Larkin and Alomar probably aren’t going to be first ballot next year makes me :(
Larkin moreso than Alomar.
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by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I need to think about Alomar, but I think he’s probably pretty close in terms of numbers. But, what’s going to kill him is the spitting incident. It doesn’t represent CHARACTER.
(Ignore Ty Cobb!)
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Cobb is totally going to stab you for that.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on Jan 12, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See
When Cobb was inducted, this was considered good character.
You have to judge them by their era. :p
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to me, the spitting incident helps him. No one likes umpires.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldnt they be first ballot?
Alomar was probably the best all-around 2b ever. True that spitting incident and sharp decline in his career after his early 30s hurts, but he broke in at a young age and was good right away.
Larkin too seems like a shoe-in to me. 12 time all-star, won some gold gloves, didnt he win an MVP in the mid 90s too? Was the first 30/30 SS.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 12, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because the voters are stupid. They’ll certainly break 50% and probably 60, but I wouldn’t be surprised if one or both misses out on being elected on the first ballot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larkin would have had more gold gloves, but he played in the same league as Ozzie Smith for a number of years in the early part of his career.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So
Is this the correct place to start the McGwire debate?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pro
HE SAVED BASEBALL
Con
HE PUT STUFF IN HIS BUTT
Pro
DID HAMBURGER COMMERCIALS FOR HARDEES
Con
HARDEES IS TERRIBLE
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CON
He monitored Bart Simpson’s thoughts via satellite
PRO
He hit DINGERS
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I think McGwire should be in. I think the same about Pete Rose. It depends, I suppose, on what you think the purpose of the Hall of Fame is – I see it as a historical institution, and I think it’s wrong to leave out parts of history that are embarrassing.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll get in eventually. I can’t wait till Sosa is up for a ballot.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOURE JUST EXCUSING BARROID BONDS
sincerely,
Bruce Jenkins
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Con
HE PUT STUFF IN HIS BUTT
Baseball: the one profession in the world where this is considered a con.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pro:
Was in the greatest commercial of all-time. I think the credit should really go to Glavine and Maddux, but still…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltD21rYWVw
“Chicks dig the long ball” It really IS the shoes! Irony at its finest.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Mac should be in. I don’t care about what he said to Congress AFTER he retired or how dumb he looked not saying it. Baseball is about what happens on the field and since he didn’t wager on the sport and wasn’t put on the permanent suspension list like Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose, he should be in based on his baseball playing. In any event, since when should any baseball player, current or retired, NOT have a better reputation than Congress!
On those same grounds, the following players should also be in on the first ballot when they are up for election:
Palmeiro (up for selection in 2011)
Sosa (up for selection in 2013)
Roger Clemens (up for selection in 2013)
Barry Bonds should be in on the first ballot with a unanimous election (assuming no one forgets to include him on their ballot). (up for selection in 2013)
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is where personal bias starts to influence my reasoning that all the ‘ed players should be in the Hall. I’d be pissed to high hell that Palmeiro would be in the HOF and not Will Clark. Nuschler was ALWAYS the better hitter up until some butt-poking. Imagine if Will’s nagging injuries were ‘cleared’ up and he steadily improved production on his late 80’s/early 90s #’s. F*k Palmeiro.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Jan 13, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rickey, duh. Jim Rice I just don’t see as a HOF-caliber player, though I don’t have a really good reason for saying that.
The fact that Bert Blyleven isn’t in the Hall of Fame continues to baffle me. Tim Raines should really be in too.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blyleven is frustrating because he deserves to be in but writers gripe about his career winning percentage. Ugh.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um nolan ryan
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly, Blyleven was third on the strike out list when he retired, behind Ryan and Noted Former Giant Steve Carlton.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to run a query on BB-Ref for all-time K’s, but their server is getting hammered right now.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Top-10 All-Time Strikeouts
Cnt Player **SO** +----+---------------+--------+ 1 Nolan Ryan 5714 2 Randy Johnson 4789 3 Roger Clemens 4672 4 Steve Carlton 4136 5 Bert Blyleven 3701 6 Tom Seaver 3640 7 Don Sutton 3574 8 Gaylord Perry 3534 9 Walter Johnson 3509 10 Greg Maddux 3371
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
every one of those guys is a hall of famer or will be (Johnson, Clemens and Maddux are all shoe-ins), but Blyleven gets shafted every year! unbelievable. It’s because he played in smaller markets and for shittier teams.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Blyleven had done a stint with the Giants
He’d be in already.
Worked for Carlton, Warren Spahn, Gary Carter, Duke Snider, and it’s gonna work for Vizquel and Randy Johnson not too far off. Even Jackie Robinson got a bump.
Frank Robinson was employed by the Giants and regularly wearing a Giants uni when he was elected to the HoF in 1982. Even FRobby’s wikipedia page shows him as a Giant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Robinson
It’s foolproof, and Giants management should make more of it when signing older free agents. San Francisco is the last stop before Cooperstown. Believe!
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t work for Joe Carter.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for Galaragga either
Though Andres is in a pretty unique club:
Guys who have won each of the Triple Crown categories in their career. There have been only nine, other than the guys who won the Triple Crown outright:
Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe Dimaggio, Hank Aaron, Johnny Mize, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriquez, Manny Ramirez, and Galaragga.
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or...ummm....Danny Darwin! Or Shawon Dunston. Who did actually get 1 or 2 votes a couple years ago.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately for the Big Cat...
…he’s the only one of those nine who ever played his home games at Coors Field.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackie Robinson?
What bump?
When he learned he’d been traded to the Giants he opted to retire.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that was just enough
wasn’t it?
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he have an OppBA of around .210? That's good enough for me, w/his other stats
I could look up his OppBA to be sure, but I don’t feel like it. But the career win% isn’t the end-all-be-all of pitching excellence, nor is any one thing, I guess. But taken together, Ryan isn’t remotely questionable as a first class HOF pitcher.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 12, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.203 OppBA. Just checked. That's not greatness?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very-goodness.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barely.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t opponent his opponent OBP pretty high though?
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on Jan 12, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't find oppOBP in 30 seconds of research, but career WHIP was 1.2
So it couldn’t have been THAT high.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 12, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Knights for Blyleven!
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One person voted for Jesse Orosco
And two voted for Jay Bell.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Pedro Gomez vote for Bell? As if I needed another reason to dislike that guy.
by xanthan on Jan 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who gave Yvette Orosco a vote?
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The connection
Both of their first names begin with J.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Six people voted for Mo Vaughan
I might be in the minority here thinking Rice deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but the fact that some of these guys get ANY votes is beyond my limited comprehension.
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by Kitspool on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesse Orosco was almost as good as Bruce Sutter.
(Not that I’d vote for him, just sayin’.)
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by antinous on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was me.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Williams
I was surprised that Williams received only seven votes. I wouldn’t vote for him either, but he did hit a lot of home runs while playing a good third base.
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by antinous on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also
Only 44% voted for Jack Morris, thus proving that a majority of voters are smarter than Bruce Jenkins.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I first read that as...
…“a majority of voles are smarter than Bruce Jenkins”, which I believe is also a true statement.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Bruce Jenkins is actually a Cardassian Vole
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I first read that as...
…"a majority of holes are smarter than Bruce Jenkins", which I believe is also a true statement.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Raines
Anyone think he gets held back because of the cocaine problem in the 80s? We know how much the writers like to bitch about anyone with any little problem.
by Hobbes2d on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they’re punishing him for that period when wanted to be known as Rock Raines.
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they honestly just don’t realize how good he was.
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by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem
Ferguson Jenkins.
Also…does Barry’s year of notretirement count toward the Hall?
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
Henderson was in notretirement until about a year ago i think
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 12, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Performance Enhancing Blow
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Henry Schulman's ballot
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Tommy John
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...
…those are in addtion to Henderson and Rice.
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by EliminateMe on Jan 12, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not thinking through copying and pasting fail
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by jcb9 on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he voted for a few players I wouldn’t vote for, but all is forgiven for Raines and Blyleven.
I like the Tommy John vote as well. I don’t know if he’s a HoFer but he’s closer to it than Jack Morris.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tommy John vote..
I think I’ve preached this here before, but I believe also the HOF should be for people who were also extremely influential to the game of baseball. Who’s more influential but Tommy John who invented a surgery?
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by WalrusMan on Jan 12, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy John never should have performed that surgery on himself.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he did it with the other hand.
by Sabertooth on Jan 12, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He voted for Blyleven and John because of the number of WINZ they had. (and’ John’s being a guinea pig for the elbow surgery – as if that wasn’t just dumb luck.)
I don’t think total wins are a good enough reason to vote for either man, though there are other good reasons to vote for Blyleven. John doesn’t have the k’s that Blyleven does and is a much closer call.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 12, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"First Ballot" vs. later ballot .... GRRRR
This crap drives me nuts. [I’m looking at you 27 dumbass voters who left Rickey of the ballot, and it is uncharacteristically nice of me to overlook the guy who “forgot”.] If a player deserves to be in the HOF, voters should VOTE FOR HIM. If not, then don’t vote for him. The stats are not going to change in the next 12 months. The 5-year delay in eligibility is enough to get some historical perspective on a player’s place in the game of his era (and if it isn’t, then elevate the delay to 7 years or whatever).
But to deliberately withhold a vote from a candidate the voter KNOWS to be worthy is petty, immoral, dishonest, and an irresponsible use of the right to vote. It’s also stupid: what purpose is it serving? Does it create incentive for players to play better during their careers, lest they “only” get into the HOF in the 2nd or 3rd years of eligibility? Nonsense; Rickey Henderson (and Ruth, Mays, Aaron, etc. who also weren’t unanimous choices) could not have done any better. If the criterion for HOF is “best of the best,” then anyone who can’t see that Rickey, Mays, Ruth, Aaron weren’t the best of the best are unworthy of holding the right to vote.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Pow!
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Jan 12, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Jan 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One more reason withholding your vote doesn't work:
Furthermore, the HOF plaque does not say which ballot was the player’s successful one. It doesn’t say which year the player was inducted, nor how many ballots he appeared on, nor any kind of information that will outlast the withholding voter’s whimsical and narcissistic view that he is “sending a message” or whatever.
Serves. No. Purpose. And. Accomplishes. Nothing.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 12, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
accomplishes something
it gives the old coots that warm fuzzy feeling inside that comes being a huge asshole.
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