Early Projections
Over at the Replacement Level Yankees Weblog, the first predicted standings of the year are up. They're early -- RLYW acknowledges as much -- but they're still fun. They used projections from The Hardball Times to run 100 simulations. We'll just skip to the interesting parts:
| Average wins | Average losses | Runs scored | Runs allowed | % of div. titles in 100 simulations | % of wild-card berths in 100 simulations | |
| Rockies | 88.1 | 73.9 | 837 | 757 | 57.5 | 4.0 |
| Giants | 83.5 | 78.5 | 702 | 673 | 21.0 | 8.5 |
| Diamondbacks | 81.0 | 81.0 | 758 | 758 | 14.0 | 0.5 |
| Dodgers | 78.7 | 83.3 | 743 | 780 | 7.0 | 0.7 |
| Padres | 66.7 | 95.3 | 712 | 850 | 0.5 | 0.0 |
Notes:
- This assumes that the Dodgers don't make any other moves, which won't be the case. They'll get another starter or two, and they will probably add Manny Ramirez.
- The Giants in these simulations allow fewer runs than any team in baseball. If there are Funjuns in these simulations, I would like to inquire about living in the simulations, Tron-style.
- I'd love to see the projections that allowed the Padres to tie for a division title. Jake Peavy with a 0.95 ERA? Adrian Gonzalez with 65 homers? It must have been something.
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YAY
Statistics are flawless, I now wholeheartedly accept them as the absolute truth! I will now rest in my belief the Giants will win the nl west.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
I agree. I listed 79 wins in the other prediction thread. Anything more than that would be a bonus!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I would be very surprised if the Rockies and Giants have a better record than the Angels.
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Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions
Angels were significantly worse in 2008 than their record indicates, and they lost their best hitter in Teixeira. Not saying this makes us better, but if any team in MLB is due for a fall – besides the Dodgers, who are always due – it’s this one.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 11, 2009 4:03 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah but
The Angels always do that, they outplay their pythagorean record every year, it really shouldn’t be a surprise anymore.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
Eh
Between 2004 and 2007, they outplayed their Pythagorean record by an average of 3 wins (after they had underperformed it for four years straight). Last year they overperformed it by 12 wins. That looks like a fluke to me.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Nicely stated
It’s pretty hard to argue with your logic here, Cookyman.
I recognize that there is a Coors effect, but I fail to see how a Rockies team without Holliday and with a gimpy Helton is going to score almost 100 more runs than last year.
Addition by subtraction
Someone pointed out in that blog’s comment section that Holliday and Taveras average out to a 98 OPS+ hitter. The projection makes more sense if you look at it that way.
Nevertheless, making a projection at this point in the season obviously favors the teams who are more or less complete (like the Rockies, Yankees, and, maybe GIants) to the detriment of teams with money on the table and/or holes left to fill (the Dodgers).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I don't understand
how the rockies plan to score 90 more runs than last year – good for 3rd in the NL.
OK, now I do.
Player Year Age Team LG G AB BA OBP SLG R150 Pos wOBA (from fangraphs)
Todd Helton 2009 35 COL NL 133 485 0.285 0.405 0.441 11 1B .378
Brad Hawpe 2009 30 COL NL 139 467 0.276 0.378 0.484 6 OF .377
Garrett Atkins 2009 29 COL NL 150 576 0.292 0.361 0.472 2 3B .364
Ryan Spilborghs 2009 29 COL NL 128 388 0.294 0.376 0.454 2 OF .367
Chris Iannetta 2009 26 COL NL 112 365 0.263 0.374 0.449 1 C .366
Seth Smith 2009 26 COL NL 132 438 0.288 0.361 0.461 -1 OF .362
Troy Tulowitzki 2009 24 COL NL 126 491 0.285 0.358 0.450 -2 SS .355
Eric Young 2009 24 COL NL 126 456 0.274 0.342 0.393 -18 2B .328
So, other than 2B, not a single Giant could crack that line up – at any position. In fact, (ignoring 2B) their worst hitter, Tulowitzky is better than anyone on the Giants at any position. OK, these are not normalized to a neutral park, are they?
I don’t know why the R150s are so low… and yet the wOBA from fan graphs are quite good. I suspect park effect shinanigans.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
No, OBP Ranging From .342 To .405 And SLG Ranging From .393 To .484 Is Well Above League Average.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Any Team Hitting In The Rocky Mountains Will Look Like They're Well Above League Average
by the way did you just decide one day to start capitalizing the subject headings of any comment you’d make from that day forward? Because I wish you wouldn’t do that.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 11, 2009 4:07 AM PST up reply actions
by the way did you just decide one day to start capitalizing the subject headings of any comment you’d make from that day forward? Because I wish you wouldn’t do that.
Funny, I Had Not Noticed THis.
by FairweatherFan on Jan 11, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Don't bother
I’ve made fun of that before and it’s like I never even said anything. It’s weird.
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yes He Always does that
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Is This From Hardball Times? If So, Would You Post The Same On Our Beloved Giants?
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
no, too lazy.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Thanks, We All Appriciate Your Lack Of Effort.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
someone collated the Giants CHONE obas
in the other thread
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
What about the Hairball Times
I want something that speaks to me, man!
The 2008-2009 offseason is driving me sane!
Well, that projection is obviously missing the real numbers, like BA and HR, but overall I can see this NLWest result being possible. I, too, expect the Dodgers to sign Manny Ramirez; and for that reason alone they should end up with more wins than losses. But other than that, I think the Rockies (featuring hitting) are better than the Giants (featuring 3 CY winners), and Tulowitzki is a stud no matter how you slice it.
I’d lean toward this (all numbers crunched using SCARSONE, which is similar to PECOTA except SCARSONE played two fewer seasons):
1. Dodgers 85-77
2. Rockies 84-78
3. Giants 81-81
4. Diamondbacks 79-82
5. Padres 0-162*
*SCARSONE doesn’t handle negative and imaginary numbers very well
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
LOL@ "SCARSONE"
Please… go the full nine and make an actual acronym.
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum" = TENSE, CLIMACTIC, TRIUMPHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
System for Calculating Average Runs Scored Over Nontendered Equivalents
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
SCARSONE(tm)
Statistically Conflated Arbitrary Reality Simulation Obviating Numerical Examination
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Some Cranky Anal-Retentive Sabermetrician's Osmotic Number Exercise
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angles.
by S.F. Giangst on Jan 12, 2009 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a weekend thread for the freaks who look at this site even when they aren’t forced to be at work!
Guilty, although currently, I am at work. Making a powerpoint. Fun times.
The 2008-2009 offseason is driving me sane!
Don’t feel bad. I work every Saturday.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 10, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
You are apparently part of a baby boom. It seems like everyone I know is having kids. Then again, I just turned 33. My wife and I are in that magical age spectrum, as are a lot of our peer group.
The 2008-2009 offseason is driving me sane!
An excuse to post this? Okay!

And, yes, I concur with the baby boom hypothesis. I think it’s the age thing.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 10, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like to thank HowTheyScored for finding the baby picture of me.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 10, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
How sad is it that I see “83.5 wins” and think, “holy cow, that’s a lot”?
I think the last few seasons have successfully lowered my expectations.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
question
why are the Rockies that good in these simulations? Their lineup looks decent, but doesn’t their rotation kinda suck? And doesn’t their bullpen take a hit after losing Fuentes? Not to mention their losing Matt Holliday.
Tulo is the key guy for the Rockies. If he has a bad year then the Rockies should be nowhere 88 wins. I wonder where they will bat him with the loss of Holliday? Anyone heard?
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Fuentes kind of sucks?
He’s easily been the most consistent and best reliever that has ever played in Colorado for more than a season or two.
uh...
He’s one of the best relievers in baseball. He had an off year in 06’ and finished with a 3.44 ERA. Other than that year, his ERA has been at or under 3. Does Brad Lidge suck too?
Trust me
now that he’s out of that pitcher’s park, he’ll be terrible
/joke
I guess I haven’t been paying close enough attention to him. I thought he lost his job last year because he was sucking so bad, but his numbers are really, really good.
I retract my “brian fuentes kind of sucks” comment.
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Reed
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jan 11, 2009 4:09 AM PST up reply actions
Miss that guy, "sidewinder" pitchers FTW
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move."-Leroy "Satchel" Paige
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You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Jan 10, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Tight Race
My prediction: The NL West will be a very tight race this year: SF, LA, COL & AZ all look like 75-85 win teams. The Giants are on the upswing, but the line up is still scary bad. (btw, Fred Lewis would make a much better clean up hitter than Bengie).
Hate to say it, really hate to say it, but I think the division comes down to where Manny signs. And I think he signs with the Doyers. Crap.
Noah Lowry?
Molina's 95 RBIs Are Almost As Many As The 98 Feliz Got In 2006.
Therefore Bengie almost as good a cleanup hitter as Pedro and clearly much better then Barry Bonds has been since 2004.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
OMGOMGOMGOMG
you did not just say that Bengie is a better cleanup hitter than BLB because he hits more RsBI??
W.
T.
F.
It Was A Joke! Turn Back On Your Sarcasum Meter.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
sarcasum
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
TURN BACK ON YOUR SARCASUM METER!
OR YOU CAN TURN BACK OFF YOUR SARCASUM METER!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Apologies
I fell into the sarchasm. I was pissed about football and not thinking straight.
Well played
Worse stat?
or the WORST stat?
Nah, that’s winz
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well..
There’s your problem. Forget about football and it’ll all be better.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
I think I will
only the Ravens are keeping me sane right now. When a 9-7 team gets to host a conference championship, I go over the deep end.
And GOD HELP US ALL if the Steelers get to 6 SBs before the niners.
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of hope the Cards win it all now
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
OMG PLEES NO
They are literally soiling the championship game by being in it. The NFC obviously sucked major amounts of ass this year if the fudrucking cardinals could make the conference championship. That is a joke.
It’s like the 06 WS, only AZ is even worse than St. Louis was. Carolina…OMG what a joke
They are literally soiling the championship game by being in it.
Well, it’s really up to the other teams to stop them, isn’t it?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I’m literally soiling my underwear as I write this. It’s up to you to stop me.
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by Goofus on Jan 11, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
apparently the NFC really sucks bad, since they looked accross the line, saw the Cardinals, and couldn’t stop handing them the ball. If carolina had David Carr at QB, they would have won the game. It’s not hard to win when the other quarterback literally hands you the ball six times.
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
The David Carr
I know Delhomme’s game gives awful a new meaning, but David freaking Carr is not the answer if the question involves how to win. Carr can turn the ball over with the best of them and doesn’t even force the opposing defense to respect the deep pass. If your offensive strength is breaking big plays in the running game you don’t invite your opponents to play full-time eight man fronts.
by W8ingForATitle on Jan 11, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Carr can turn the ball over with the best of them
That’s simply not true, if you ask me. Carr has been almost remarkably good at protecting the football in his career considering the problems that existed with the line he played behind in Houston. His problem has never really been turnovers. His problem has really always been that he throws touchdowns with the worst of them. For whatever reason, he’s been notoriously miserable at scoring.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
EXACTLY
THAT is what the Panthers needed, they needed Shaun Hill or Ben Roethlleisbergerueere- a guy who doesn’t make stupid ass mistakes and takes care of the ball. Their scoring all season came from their running game anyways.
And no matter the QB, when Steve Smith’s on a team, you have to respect the deep pass.
Anyways, sorry for sullying the baseball blog with football as I always do.
by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they should get paid extra...
They are literally soiling the championship game by being in it
I thought this was the job of the groundskeepers.
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You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Jan 10, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants in these simulations allow fewer runs than any team in baseball.
Do you believe in magic, in a young Grant’s heart?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Padres
That the Padres tied for first place in the NL West in one of the 100 simulations shows that the best team doesn’t always win — and the worst team always has a chance, at least in theory.
If something has any chance of happening at all, given enough chances, it will indeed happen.
It was the best of times, it was the …. BLURST of times? Stupid monkey!
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
The Best of Times
It was the Best of Times — Jahvid Best!
I don't get it
I get that merely staying stable while the Dodgers and D-Backs lose ground should be enough for the Rockies to win more games. But they haven’t stayed stable – they’ve lost their best (by far) player and replaced him with an extremely iffy young OF and a crappy SP. I don’t see how a return to form on Tulowitzki’s part is enough to net them more than an extra win or two.
The Giants’ win total, OTOH, was estimated perfectly and will certainly be enough to guarantee playoff contention regardless of further acquisitions by our division rivals. So there.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
I agree with your points on The Bums.
As for Tulowiski it is just not his stick. His glove lets them tighten up their team defense by a large margin. For a team that plays half its games in what might be the most punishing park for a squad to give up extra outs in and does it with a staff with few stand out pitchers that glove work can be easy to understate. That said 87 wins did raise my eyebrows. I think an awful lot has to go right (including one of the Dbacks, Dodger or Giants fall to the level of the Padres) for the Rockies to do that.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Jan 11, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Badly understated
I agree with everythings you said here, except that the Giants’ win total was obviously underestimated. If they don’t win 100 games, I’ll be shocked, and I don’t think 120 is out of the question.
I think it will be a four team battle.
I can’t see the Rockies improving that much. They still need pitching badly. The Dodgers and the Diamondbacks are a little worse than last year. IF, and that is a big if, the Giants come up with some type of offense then put them in the mix too. We just won’t mention the Padres and their playing for the #1 pick in the 2009 draft. I think that 79 wins may be optimistic for the Giants considering our offensive capabilities or lack there of. When Benji is our power hitter then we are in trouble.
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