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Would you trade for Elijah Dukes?

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Now I could only hope the Nats would stupid enough to part with him, you never know since it's Jim Bowden. I personally love Dukes potential. He may have some issues, but like Milton Bradley or Albert Belle, he is extremely talented and has a lot of raw potential. Which seemed to show itself to be turning into skills this year. 

In 81 G, Dukes went .264/.386/.478 OPS + of 126

He also stole 13 bases and got caught 4 times. His defense needs a little work, but the guy is pretty raw as he has missed some games due to injuries or suspension over the last 2 1/2 years. But he seems to be the kind of young, undervalued talent who is prime for a breakout in the near future.

So would you take the risk of adding a potential breakout player, but one who comes with some major red flags due to both propensity for injury and due to personal problems on and off the field? Also, who do you think would be a reasonable offer in order to get him from the Nationals? And yes I realize that we have some OF depth, but I think everyone would agree that Dukes has much more upside than any of those OF's. And Winn and Rowand both look like trade bait to me, if we are actually serious about rebuilding this team with young talent.

 

Like I for one would be happy if we could somehow pluck Dukes and the oft injured Nick Johnson for maybe Sanchez + filler.

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I like Dukes but I wouldn’t trade Sanchez for a package of him and Johnson. I’m not sure Johnson will ever be healthy again and the Giants need help at the infield.

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by xanthan on Sep 29, 2008 7:51 PM PDT   0 recs

I like Sanchez

But I’m wondering why you would be reluctant to trade him. Sanchez seems almost completely like someone we should sell on. He shows a lot of promise, and might even be capable of a good season or two, but he reminds me of Oliver Perez way too much, except not as good. Since Perez’s slider is a lot better.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would be fine if Sanchez turned into a Perez-lite. That’s essentially a league average pitcher on the cheap. His slider might not be as good, but I don’t see how that matters.

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by xanthan on Sep 29, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and I’m not reluctant to trade Sanchez but I sure as hell wouldn’t trade him for an OF (the one position in which we actually have a few hitters) with attitude problems and a soon to be 30-year-old 1B who can’t stay healthy. He had a tear in his wrist this year and hasn’t been healthy since 2006.

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by xanthan on Sep 29, 2008 8:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed in part

about Johnson. But it seems like the Giants aren’t going to be able to get good talent without getting someone. This is the type of buy low situation that I think could benefit the Giants. While true, Johnson can’t seem to stay healthy, when he is actually healthy he has seemed to be a pretty productive player. And if he failed, we always have Sandoval and Ishikawa to try out at 1st base anyway.

Dukes has attitude problems, and is a considerable risk, but is he really any riskier than Sanchez? And by that I mean Sanchez’s propensity for injuries. He has had issues staying healthy for a whole season throughout his career, both in the majors and minor leagues. And while yes we have some OF depth, how much of it do you really think can stick around for very long? Winn has 1 year left on his deal. Same with Roberts. Fred Lewis who knows what will happen with him, though he looks capable of sticking around. Rowand was a mistake to sign in the first place IMO. He has a history of injuries and the way he plays it’s likely he will breakdown before he reaches the end of his contract. We can only hope someone would be dumb enough to trade for him.

With Dukes there seems to be legitimate upside to his game if he can keep his attitude in check.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s not simply a bad attitude. This isn’t like a disgruntled or bitchy player. This is a person who has shown a pattern of violent behavior to his family members and his teammates. You can’t just wag a finger at him and tell “now don’t you go choking people or threatening your ex wife!” This sort of behavior isn’t easily corrected.

Pass.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

there is a difference between having “character issues” or being a “clubhouse cancer” and being a violent and dangerous criminal.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Sep 29, 2008 8:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Again

How is Dukes not like Albert Belle? This is a guy who spat on people, threw baseballs at reporters, punched people out etc. I’m not saying he’s going to “correct” his behavior. But if he can keep himself out of trouble for a bit and stay on the field he clearly has the ability to be a good player. Obviously this is a risky proposition, but sometimes when you are bad I think it’s worth taking risks. Especially if you can make them without giving up much. Granted Sanchez is valuable, but how much can we really get for him? Assuming we wanted to or did trade him.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He obviously couldn’t keep himself out of trouble thus far. What says he’ll somehow magically see the light? I’ve known, seen, dealt with, and sadly lived with too many of this type of person to know how the story ends.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

But I think it’s wrong to entirely write people off too. Look at Josh Hamilton. Different situation obviously, but the dude was a freaking junkie and couldn’t stay clean.

But anyway, it doesn’t seem like he got into much trouble this year other than that one incident with Acta. Unless there were more incidents I’m not aware of.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 9:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Josh Hamilton needs a handler to make sure he stays clean. He nearly killed himself a few times to get to where he is. To me, Dukes doesn’t appear to be even close to being ready to accept that he’s a destructive human being. Until he does that, he can’t be fixed.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree completely.

Dukes has a 10 year track record of criminal behavior.
Keep Dukes away from Timmy.

The Bear Will Not Quit, The Bear Will Not Die.

by The Enchanter on Sep 30, 2008 9:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By this logic

We should probably sign Canseco, too.

I hear Vick might want to give Baseball a try.

Hard to get along with prima donnas are one thing, Violent criminals (especially those who are violent towards women and children) are another.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 30, 2008 8:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Update me on Sanchez’s injuries in the minor leagues. I can’t remember them. I thought Sanchez handled his workload about as good as can be expected of a guy that’s been yo-yoed between starting and relieving. He threw 158 innings this year after 75 total innings in ‘07, that’s a big increase.

2009 is the last contract year on Johnson’s deal, why trade for him? I’d rather play Pablo at 1B next year and wait Johnson out, if he enters the FA market cheaply, try to pick him up.

I think Lewis heads into ‘09 as the LF starter, some recent quotes from Sabes say as such. I’ve got a feeling Winn will be our RF for next year and Rowand is staying. Sabes sounds down on Nate, but he’s a possibility to play OF.

I like Dukes as a player and I think Bowden made a great move when he got him for next to nothing but I can’t see where he fits in right now with the team. He would be nice insurance for 1-2 years down the road but I don’t think you can trade Sanchez for him right now. Our rotation isn’t that deep. Who fills Sanchez’s spot? The Giants could very well non-tender Correia and Hennessey this winter.

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by xanthan on Sep 29, 2008 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa

Johnson is only 30? For some reason I thought he was like 37.
headsplode

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Sep 29, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you’re going to trade Sanchez, I’d rather that they target someone like JJ Hardy rather than Dukes.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 29, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sabes is watching him...

We clearly need another CF!!!

Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?

by NorCalGiant on Sep 29, 2008 7:56 PM PDT   0 recs

i wouldnt

Link

he takes the term “team cancer” to new lengths

waiting for 2011....

by Osama91w9 on Sep 29, 2008 8:15 PM PDT   0 recs

Kevin Mitchell had similar issues when he was coming up. If not for eating himself out of the league, he could have been a very good player for a longer time.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 8:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that is a terrible example

Kevin Mitchell is a guy witch character issues whose character issues prevented him from realizing his potential.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Sep 29, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn’t “warlock” a more appropriate term?

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | cartoons | Nattowear | McFAQ

by Natto on Sep 29, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ell oh ell

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 29, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have it 2nd hand

That Kevin Mitchell is a very cool dude.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 30, 2008 8:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most of the second or 3rd hand stuff I heard about Mitchell was a lot of his "problems" when young was the crowd he grew up with and trying to do the “right thing” with the wrong people. That is not a new story in professional sport.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 30, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would fear for the women of San Francisco

I don’t want anybody getting text messages of a picture of a gun

by FluLikeSymptoms on Sep 29, 2008 8:36 PM PDT   0 recs

lol that is wierd

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Sep 29, 2008 8:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you have a text message =================================================>

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Sep 30, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He’s not that much better than Fred Lewis or Randy Winn, considering the risk.
And Nate would probably get really mad.

by DesertFox on Sep 29, 2008 8:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Hell No!

Why are you even suggesting we target an outfielder?

by giantsrainman on Sep 29, 2008 8:51 PM PDT   0 recs

YOU’RE DEAD, DAWG

by sfgiants114 on Sep 29, 2008 8:51 PM PDT   0 recs

I hope someone gets this, so I dont just seem weird

by sfgiants114 on Sep 29, 2008 9:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I got it, and I laughed

by FluLikeSymptoms on Sep 29, 2008 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

We share the same first name and hes a brotha.

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Sep 29, 2008 10:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Two excellent reasons.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | cartoons | Nattowear | McFAQ

by Natto on Sep 30, 2008 12:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Indeed

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Sep 30, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m a white dude named Chris….

What do you think

Is up to these days? MAKE IT HAPPEN SABES.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 5:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dammit, now I’m trying to find the old dugout where Peter Gammons called Chris Sabo “Chris Gaybo” but I can’t find it.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 30, 2008 5:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There you go

http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/322exclusive3.htm

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 30, 2008 6:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gammondorf: lol yeah and what’s the deal with those faggot goggles. i mean goggles, seriously. who do you think you are, james worthy

haha

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Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 6:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rofl

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 7:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

holy shit

I bursted out laughing in my quiet office

SERGIO ROMO will gladly hand you some pine / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 7:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

amazink

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 8:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ravech_2099: MORE LIKE JAMES NOT-WORTHY

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Sep 30, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You know what was really wierd

http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/jon111.html

It starts out all normal, and then before you know it John Schuerholz shoves his hands up Mike Hampton’s ass.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 30, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

/noisily devours loose stool

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you so much, one of my favorite dugouts ever.

after the Dan Quisenberry challenge where Barry says “i’ll bust you up. here is a candy corn.” of course.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 30, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By that logic

We should sign Cristian Guzman. We’re both Hispanics and we have sort of similar names, and the Giants are suddenly without a shortstop.

No? I thought so.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 7:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm,

Are there any english/irish/German players out there named Ian ?

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 30, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ian Kinsler might be your only hope

Although that wouldn’t be so bad if the Giants got him.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 8:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I stand corrected

Ian Kennedy as well. Another not-so-bad option.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why Not?

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Sep 30, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

David Wright?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

(2000–2006) ZITO!

fixed

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Julian Tavarez

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so sexy

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I always thought he should were a bone through his nose went taking the mound in relief.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Oct 1, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Buh?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 1, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Obviously not a devotee of Bugs Bunny Cartons.
Much sadder still I can’t remember the name of cartoon the were the character trying to put Bugs in a pot looked enough to remind me the Tavarez.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Oct 2, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh no, I know the cartoon of which you speak.

I was just feigning confusion over the two Firefox Approved spelling mistakes. Not in a jerk-y way, though. At least, not by design.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2008 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I watched...

Dukes a lot this year in DC. He was an interesting player to watch, entertaining even. But for my hometown team, I would not touch him with a ten foot pole. He was not only a locker room cancer, he was a malingerer.

by esfads on Sep 30, 2008 8:28 AM PDT   0 recs

um another CF?

no.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 30, 2008 8:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Dukes?

Come on. The Giants finally have a clubhouse that is young, excited, and positive for the first time in 400 years and you want to introduce Elijah Dukes into the mix? What would the plan be, have Rowand ram his face into Dukes until he stopped threatening to MURDER HIS WIFE?

by satyricrash on Sep 30, 2008 9:26 AM PDT   0 recs

I’m just a bit flabbergasted that there are people on this site taking that little tidbit of info so lightly.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

come on, it’s just boys being boys

by FluLikeSymptoms on Sep 30, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll Pass

Makes for interesting conversation because the numbers pop. However, his head might pop also. It would not surprise me if this guy ended up in the middle of a serious crime story in the not too distant future. He has already done and said enough bad stuff that I wouldn’t want to have to root for him at Mays Field.

by out machine on Sep 30, 2008 10:48 AM PDT   0 recs

Pass!
He may have some issues

OJ Simpson may have issues too, but I’m not inviting him over for dinner.

Call me an old-fashioned fan-boy, but I like liking the players on my team. The current mix of players seems like a likable bunch (although Sadler might be a little cocky and Velez had his moments early in the season) and that makes the team more fun to get behind.

A chance for a guy trying to get his life back together (Hamilton, Strawberry) is one thing, but a total thug is completely different.

It’s too hard to clap when you’re holding your nose.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 30, 2008 11:00 AM PDT   0 recs

Did you like teh Bonds?

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was conflicted. He seemed like an ass, but since he was unfailrly singled out, I found it easier to root for him.

His crimes against humanity weren’t Dukesian in the least.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 30, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant ot add that I found this year’s team far more fun to root for…and that’s partially because of Bonds’ long shadow being gone.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 30, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up