No more Omar, more Bochy, more...
by delorean on Sep 29, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/09/29/sabean-vizquel-wont-be-back/
Aurilia could return at a later point this winter, but Omar won’t. “Zero chance,” said Sabean, who met with Vizquel yesterday.
Sandoval penciled at 1B for next season. Cain untouchable in a trade. All coaches will return. Bullpen will be a major project. Frandsen is a top contender for 2B next season. “We’re all pulling for him,” Sabean said.
I would normally make this a FanShot, but I reckon folks will wanna talk about it.
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LOL @ the first comment:
Then that tells me they will trade Sanchez, Bowker and Velez to the Mariners for Beltre (free agent year) and Morrow.
Really? I might…might trade Bowker and Velez for Beltre straight up. Sanchez? No flipping way.
Anyway…some pretty good news there. As hard as it is to watch Richie flail away, he’s a pretty decent utility bench player.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As would I
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the highest post..
The whole transcript is up.
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on Sep 29, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is this Morrow character?
I’ve obviously misunderestimated him and made a tragic mistake.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the guy the Mariners chose over Lincecum. They used him as a reliever/closer for most of the season but converted him back to a starter in September. 3.34 ERA with 75 Ks in 59.2 IP overall; 1.47 ERA as a reliever, 4.70 as a starter (he’s only had four starts though). In his first start, he no-hit the Yanks for 7 2/3 innings. Plus he’s a local kid from Santa Rosa.
by Natto on Sep 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you'd rather have Morrow than Sanchez, basically?
Assuming Beltre = Bowker + Velez
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by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
For Sanchez, are you more concerned about injuries or ability to pitch a standard amount of starter innings for a whole season?
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by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just feel like Morrow will be the better pitcher, but Sanchez’s durability does concern me.
by Natto on Sep 29, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Velez = 0.
Beltre > Bowker.
Beltre > Bowker + Velez.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Sep 29, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't given up on Velez
Maybe it’s irrational but those infield singles excite me. Plus he’s clutch!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait...
The Mariners passed on the local kid and took the Californian, and the Giants watched the M’s take their local kid, and took the Washington guy. Geography is fun.
by woomikee on Sep 30, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he went to cal
meaning that my girlfriend who went to cal and is a mariners fan because she grew up in washington is completely obsessed with him. Also, he is, apparently, dreamy.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Oct 1, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I’d want to continue dating someone who was completely obsessed with another person.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 1, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Lincecum
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Sep 29, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the M’s do this?
I can’t think of logical reason they would either.They don’t gain in the O.F., first or starting rotation that much. And then they have to think Tuiasosopo is near ready.
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by daveinexile on Sep 29, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldnt
Its a stupid fan comment on Baggs blog.
by Hobbes2d on Sep 29, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for saveing me from the ’Chasm.
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by daveinexile on Sep 29, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade all those guys
for Morrow straight up.. adding Beltre just makes it an easy decision. No way M’s do this though
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Sep 29, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow
I played baseball in high school against him and he threw really really hard
by lincysgiants on Oct 2, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo penciled in at first?
Not sure what I make of that. Part of me say why not lets him get time between c, 1st & 3rd . If he logs 150-200 innings and over 125 P.A.’s at 3rd that all gives him more time and gives the other first basemen that much more of a chance to maybe prove useful. The other part of me thinks, " How Sabean. Now he can lure Blalock or Crede and block any chance of adding value to Travis Ish and company."
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by daveinexile on Sep 29, 2008 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Sabean’s “zero chance” quote was taken out of context and that it was preceeded by glowing praise of Vizquel for his four years here and followed by “we wish Omar nothing but the best.”
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Sep 29, 2008 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His clock ran down
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Sep 29, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just karmic payback for Omar being out of position a few years back.
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on Sep 30, 2008 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What will it take for this Idjit to learn diplomacy with these older players?
How could Sabean support the toxic waste of Armando on his way out the trapdoor…
yet so crudely disrespect Barry (franchise maker), Omar (clubhouse maker) and Bengie (boiler maker)?
by Moggeee on Sep 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I hope so too..
I hope it just means Baggs was in too much of a rush to give us the information so he typed it in as few words as he could.
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on Sep 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can’t afford to get scooped by the JUDY STEFFESESESES of the world.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 29, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No More Omar, No More Boch
No more stupid pitching Coach
(School’s out for Summer)
by Moggeee on Sep 29, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball's out for-ever :(
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean's been blown to pieces?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joy to the world
Sa-be-an’s dead
They barbequed his head!
What happened to his body
They flushed it down the potty
And round and round it goes
And round and round it goes
And rou-oooouuund and rouuuund and roound it goes
by Natto on Sep 29, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Delorean
This is what I was taking about in my post in Grant’s latest main page. The blind hatred without any understanding that keeping Sabean has worked out pretty well in this year’s rebuilding effort is very much alive and well.
by giantsrainman on Sep 29, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just laughing at the funny song.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 29, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pssst
I don’t hate Sabean. I was going along with the schoolyard songs joke.
by Natto on Sep 29, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah seriously.
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by UnleashTheGore on Sep 29, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh rainman. never change.
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by jponry on Sep 29, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too excited about having a 5’11" overweight firstbaseman.
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on Sep 30, 2008 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hearing that our bold, fearless leader called Cain “untouchable” does make me feel pretty good about the offseason to start. Hearing people bring up Crede does not produce the same feelings.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Sep 29, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am glad Sabes put the “untouchable” label on Cain right away. Hopefully, other teams will now come forward with trade proposals that don’t start with “Cain & Lincecum for Carlos Delgado” or some such claptrap.
by tyrannoman on Oct 1, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seconded!
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by daveinexile on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean talks the same shit every year. Every offseason and every trade deadline he talks about the big players he’ll be able to get cheaply because they’re arb eligible, and he somehow manages to never bring in anyone who fits that description. More and more teams are locking up their arb eligible players, and if he couldn’t do that before, he won’t be able to do it now. Sure, Brian, there’s plenty of arb eligible superstars out there that other teams will hand over for a package of less than Matt Cain.
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by rxmeister on Sep 29, 2008 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When Has Sabean Said He Was Targeting Arbitration Eligable Players Before?
I only recall last year (the proposed Lincecum for Rios trade which Sabean (not Toronto) backed out of). This year Florida has 15 arbitration eligable players alone. There are plenty more on the other 28 rosters. I don’t see why we can’t go after some of the good bats amongst these without having to include either Lincecum or Cain.
by giantsrainman on Sep 29, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with most of that. But not the Marlins. They really seem to only do the lopsided trade. He Who Create large tire Fires for Messenger might be the only exception I can think of recently.
Besides that I am tired of the MLB supplementing a Loria and his jumped of AAA club business model. That’s different rant though.
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by daveinexile on Sep 30, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for your different rant. Owners who pocket thier share of the revenue sharing without putting any of it back into the club and then cry poor should be forced to give sponge baths to Benjie and Pablo every day for a year.
by tyrannoman on Oct 1, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You much nicer then I.
After say 5-8 years of such actions I would like to see their share of ownership swapped to the AAA franchise with the best attendance, and orderly books, and that owner gets the same MLB shares. That will hit them were they live. Thus it will never happen .
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by daveinexile on Oct 3, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schierholtz
Personally, I don’t think I know enough about him…I certainly couldn’t tell you where he would hit in the order…But I’m not sure about him because of the smaller sample size, as opposed to a Sandoval, who is a no-brainer. He’s going to have to have a good spring training…
Wow. So 145 AB is enough of a sample size for you Sabean, but 5 years of great minor league numbers (plus pretty good numbers for Dodd) isn’t?
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on Sep 29, 2008 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Aam Hearing You Here
Career wise Schierholtz actually has more MLB ABs then Sandoval. I am thinking Sabean is really saying that hs scouting eye is not sold on Schierholtz while it is soldpm Sandoval. He is just using 2008 MLB sample size as an excuse to avoid having to discuss his specific concerns about holes he sees in Schierholtz’s swing.
by giantsrainman on Sep 29, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the scouting eye anything like the eye of the Jew?
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by xanthan on Sep 29, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sabean has no scouting eye
but i hope he does trade nate
let nate play for a team that knows how to work with him…not against him
cant wait to watch winn in right all next season…how exciting that will be
by bacci40 on Sep 29, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you, bacci. Nate deserves to go someplace where he’s appreciated.
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by Lyle on Sep 30, 2008 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should send him to an old farm out in the country, where he can run around all day and play RF.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Nate’s going to die?!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPOILER
We’re all going to die
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You skipped to the end and ruined it for all of us
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 30, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all of us
Ageless lefty Jamie Moyer will never die.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Sep 30, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
but with or without a world championship is the real question.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Sep 30, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm afraid i cannot reveal that
/disappears in a puff of smoke
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you kicked over the bong.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Sep 30, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further evidence that Sabean doesn’t understand sample size, though I guess it’s nice that he has now learned how to throw the phrase around.
by Evan on Sep 30, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would that be a new pharse to kick around at the end of the day?
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by daveinexile on Sep 30, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we should kick some tires first
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. How long kinin’ tire before the kick some arse? Not their own arse some one else’s please.
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by daveinexile on Sep 30, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it with due diligence.
/ buttons up vest, adjusts glasses
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude illigence
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mountain Dew XTREME Diligence.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
doesn’t Dude Illigence sound like a Def Jux album?
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d buy that for a dollar.
I don’t even know what that means. EL-P is awesome, though.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aesop Rock is the greatest living MC, imfo.
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aesop his good. I also like Mr Lif and Murs from Def Jux. I think Cannibal Ox’s the Cold Vein is one of the greatest hip hop records ever.
As for greatest living MC I’m a huge fan of Kool Keith and Dose One.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ULTRAMAGNETIC!
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STANK MCS!
<3 Keith
He just put out his second album under the Dr. Dooom alias. It’s pretty solid.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna cop that. Thanks.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No prob, if you liked the first Dr. Dooom album, you should like this one as well. KutMasta Kurt did the production on the new one as well.
Dark and weird Keith flows = yes!
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying ‘as well’ a lot.
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My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I <3 GOOD Hip Hop
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite MC? That’s a tough one for me. Too many to list. Aesop is definitely in there.
Favorite producer(s)? Shadow, RJD2, Automator, Hi-Tek, & Primo
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shadow is so gifted
I like El-P’s fucked-upedness. Never got big into Automator. Where should I start?
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
>> Never got big into Automator. Where should I start?
Go pick up Dr Octagon’s Dr. Octagonecologyst right-this-very-moment-oh-my-god.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Deltron 3030, Automator’s production is redonkulous.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Positive Contact with Del
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great track, always makes me happy when I hear it.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<3 Deltron 3030
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by jponry on Sep 30, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually have that one
cuz i’m a Del fan from way back
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by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Dr. Octagon – get the green album. It’s the instrumental.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Shadow vid
Jamming with Q-Bert
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit. How did I miss this?
Anyways, El-P knows a lot of words, but that doesn’t mean that they have to go into every freaking verse. Does anyone even know what he’s saying on the first two songs of Fantastic Damage? Does he? Luckily, he’s a helluva producer.
Aesop Rock is kind of similar, but I think he’s just talking his own language by now. And when he isn’t making sense, he’s still 50 times more interesting than El-P.
Mr. Lif is awesome, but he has, like, two deliveries (Del-itis).
So give me the GZA or Sage Francis as the best around right now.
by Grant on Sep 30, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EL-P is a talking dictionary sometimes but I just love his style. I think it fits perfectly with his production, which is amazing.
And don’t you go bad talkin’ Fan Dam, I won’t allow it. Did you hear his new album? It’s good, maybe a little more polished and not as gritty as Fantastic Damage.
I laughed at Aesop “might be talking his own language now”. Funny because it’s true.
GZA Liquid Swords? Hell yes. I still think Wu-Tang’s 36 Chambers is the greatest hip hop record of all time. The production still amazes me for a record thats over 15 years old.
I also like Sage but I never listened to him much past Personal Journals, am I missing anything? Do you like Dose One of cLOUDDEAD? That shit fries my brain, but in a good way.
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My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sage: Non Prophets’ Hope is start-to-finish amazing. I’ve never been huge on Personal Journals, though I appreciate it.
Don’t get me wrong — I love Fantastic Damage. I just hate about 40% of El-P’s rapping on it. But I still love the album. I have the instrumental version, too. I actually think El-P’s rapping improved 300% on I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead, and I might prefer it. But if we’re talking El-P + good rapping, that = Cannibal Ox.
I know a lot of Anticon stuff, but other than Eyedea and Slug, I can never remember who’s who. Is Dose One the nasally fellow?
by Grant on Sep 30, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll find Hope and give it a listen, thanks for the recommendation.
I love Cannibal Ox. The first time I heard The Cold Vein it blew me away.
Yeah, Dose is kind of nasally, but in a good way. You’ve got to listen to cLOUDDEAD’s s/t album. It’s Dose One, Why?, and Odd Nosdam. It’s what I would call collage-hop and it’s amazing. It’s definitely in my top-5.
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Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Oct 1, 2008 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked RJD2 before he went folktronic or whatever the hell he was trying to do. Deadringer is great.
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by xanthan on Sep 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think keeping Cain is the right move.
by Dan from NM on Sep 29, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont get kicking omar to the curb...not after his recent statements
he has accepted that his age and diminishing skills will not allow he to play everyday….but there will be a definite need for someone of his caliber to mentor the kids….and i dont like richie in that role
and i guess we are stuck with sabean for at least one more year…happy, happy….joy, joy
by bacci40 on Sep 29, 2008 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants main page has more explanation...
Story is here.
Asked if he could envision a scenario in which Vizquel would return to the Giants, Sabean said, “I see zero with Omar. We pretty much talked about that in person yesterday.”sounds like they talked (maybe Omar telling Sabean that he was done). Sabean NEVER gives absolute statements, so I’m guessing Omar gave him something pretty definitive. Otherwise it would’ve been “kick the tires on him”, or “at the end of the day”….
by lucecooler on Sep 30, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Omar’s being kicked to the curb, I just think the sun has set on his time in the sun.
by tyrannoman on Oct 1, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar's clock was tolling for almost two years
but Sabean kept hitting the snooze button.
by Moggeee on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Full transcript is up at Extra Baggs
Here’s a gem:
from a won-loss total, I think we were really affected losing Lewis and Burriss when we did.
So with Burriss and Lewis they lose 88 games instead of 90? wtf, man.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(Magowan) wanted to know what you thought and he knew how tough your job was. At the end of the day, he let you be yourself. He wasn’t interested in controlling people, how they act or dress.
/ snickers at Sabean’s vest
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Sep 30, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rowand
Sixth or seventh place hitter for $60M?
by wilriv21 on Sep 30, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another
The good thing is I think we very much distinguished what our problems are. The bullpen was just not up to par talent-wise and performance wise. And we also know the lineup needs some injection of run-producing help.
Wow!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 30, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy why do I see 15 MM for 3 years of a professional arsonist or 3 in our future?
Perhaps a more then 110 IP from our #5 guy or more then ~ 100 quality innings Sanchez gave use would help the ‘Pen more? I will not even mention He Shall Not Be Named ( not even for $126 MM). Just a thought.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 30, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it, we are going to go totally Milwaukee on the bullpen (acquire a bunch of expensive old relievers).
by rotorueter on Sep 30, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The future
The transcript make it clear the Giants are looking more to the future than the present. I see that as a very good thing.
by sharksrog on Sep 30, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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