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The Giants must make some changes if they want to compete in MLB. First they must make changes to the yard to bring in power hitters. Bring in the damn fences a little for god's sake. I know you can't move the wall in right but 421 to right center is a joke and the left center power alley must be moved in a little.

 People want to see a little more power output by this team. Rowand is not the only one grumbling about the yard. If they don't change the fences a little the Giants will always have to overpay for power. I know there are those who don't want to mess with the sacred yard we call AT&T park but if you want a championship it must be done. The small ball era is dead and gone. Power numbers are the present and the future of baseball.

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There’s no way they’re going to bring in the fences.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2008 12:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Remodeling? Hell no!

Y’all jus’ need some mo’ Victor’s* Secret Sauce!

(*) – Victor Conte , the sig inspiration.
But you knew that , you so smaat…

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 25, 2008 7:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Veto

I hate watching games in ballparks where cheap fly balls are HR’s.

Being the ancient person that I am, I remember when baseball wasn’t pinball. I prefer it that way.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 25, 2008 12:17 PM PDT   0 recs

More like TakeAGiantStepNNO

Oh SNAP

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Sep 25, 2008 12:24 PM PDT   0 recs

I see, the park made Rowand shitty for the 2nd half.

Interesting!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 12:55 PM PDT   0 recs

With our flyball pitching staff?

No.

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2008 1:05 PM PDT   0 recs

if they moved them 100ft, Rowand would still ground into DP every other time…

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Sep 25, 2008 1:08 PM PDT   0 recs

The only way I’m moving the fences is if my foot happens to be stuck underneath them in a way that prevents me from getting my foot out without moving the fences.

But seriously, the park suppresses some homeruns, yes, but we’d see a lot more homeruns if we had players who could actually hit them to begin with. Even the Padres have two guys who hit 20+ (one who hit 30+) at their yard. I don’t remember anybody complaining when Bonds/Kent/Sanders/Bell were all hitting 20+.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 1:09 PM PDT   0 recs

lol david Bell

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 25, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, David Bell only hit 20 HRs twice in his career. Once was at AT&T.

CASE CLOSED>!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 2:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

they test for that nowadays!

just sayin’…

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Sep 25, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lemme try again.

…sauce…

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 25, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez

would probably not have hit 30 homeruns if he were a Giant this year.

by G-Rob on Sep 25, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

okay

PETCO Park’s Park Factors for the past three years is: 91

AT&T is at a cool, average 100 for the past three years.

Petco is much much worse.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But..

Against lefties ATT is very very harsh where righties actually hit a good amount of home runs here, so it evens out (since there are way more right handed hitters)

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Sep 25, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And if we were smart, we’d be drafting/trading for RH power hitters. But that sort of advanced analysis seems to be beyond the current front office.

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 25, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hell, I’ll take 25+

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

...sauce...

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 25, 2008 7:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IDNAWTFP

Adopted Son: Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 25, 2008 1:10 PM PDT   0 recs

The yard is a non-issue

It’s a NEUTRAL PARK that favors neither hitters nor pitchers. What it takes away in HRs it gives back with the lack of foul territory, 2Bs & 3Bs.

Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...

by tedfordfan on Sep 25, 2008 1:12 PM PDT   0 recs

No thank you.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2008 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

No.

The park used to be an advantage in 2000-2003, when we had better power hitters than most teams that visited. I believe the Giants have simply assembled a lot of hitters with little or no power. Thus, they cannot get back in games when the other teams get large leads. Visiting teams with real power hitters have no trouble leaving the yard on a regular basis.

by out machine on Sep 25, 2008 1:24 PM PDT   0 recs

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Sep 25, 2008 1:26 PM PDT   0 recs

this

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like bumming guy in the back.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kinda looks like Ned.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 25, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bumming guy is bummed :(

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You can tell by the mustache.

by satyricrash on Sep 25, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and the pixels

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 25, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he looks

so mournful.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 25, 2008 2:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't we just move the walls in to 75 feet behind the infield?

We would get lots of home runs then.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 25, 2008 1:42 PM PDT   0 recs

We should also eliminate third base.

by satyricrash on Sep 25, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, there are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three. P.S. I am not a crackpot.

by dmunk on Sep 25, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or

we could move the diamond out further into the outfield. It would be ugly, but <3 oh the homeruns!

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 25, 2008 2:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love fanposts..

Made by people who haven’t even made a single comment on the site.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Sep 25, 2008 1:48 PM PDT   0 recs

They're so fascinating.

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Sep 25, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh – is there a PrePostProbationary grace period?

Come off it.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 25, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I happen to hope there is, at least for the fanpost type thing. For me I look at a new person here as someone who does need to prove himself. If he sticks around he’s usually even good. But my favorite people here either were here before I started, or are people who don’t post fan posts all the time, but comment in them, comment in the gameday threads, and generally learn the blog.

It’s just from me being online so much, for basically 8-9 years now, that usually the newbies who come on and just post one thing are either going to not stay, or post that same type of post several times and then leave. When someone is interested in what other people have to say instead of someone being interested in what they have to say, they add much more to the community.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Sep 26, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"For me I look at a new person here as someone who does need to prove himself."

This is a public forum , not some exclusive socialite venue……or is it?

So they post and move on – what lasting , unspeakable pain does it cause you? Of course then it’ll only serve to support your assumption , but if they bravely post their opinion and you ridicule them for it what are the chances they’ll be masochistic enough to come back for more?

Sometimes this place seems like an elitist circle jerk…and the accent doesn’t fall on egghead or circle…

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 27, 2008 12:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I happen to hope there is, at least for the fanpost type thing. For me I look at a new person here as someone who does need to prove himself. If he sticks around he’s usually even good. But my favorite people here either were here before I started, or are people who don’t post fan posts all the time, but comment in them, comment in the gameday threads, and generally learn the blog.

I’m newish, and I don’t post much on gameday threads – why does that make my opinions any less valid than yours? Why should you get to feel superior just because you joined this blog 2 years before me?

This guy got gang banged for writing 3 lines about a subject that (OMG) has already been discussed. Like victor said: What lasting, unspeakable pain did reading that comment cause? Or is it the 4 seconds of your life that you (well not you in this case) wasted on reading it?

This is a blog. Nobody has to prove anything. Anyone can post a FanPost. If it bores you – don’t read it. If it’s a double post or something like that – delete it. It’s pretty simple.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 27, 2008 5:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you’re both overinterpreting WalrusMan. He said new people have to prove themselves to him. He didn’t say they HAVE to prove themselves against a barrage of ridicule. I just acknowledged that happens.

And you’re definitely twisting his words in trying to figure this against you somehow.

I mean, seriously, if you don’t just just knee-jerk overreact to somebody saying something even remotely negative about new members, you’ll see all he’s saying is that he doesn’t invest himself in a new member until that member has shown that they’re actually interested in being a part of the community. It’s not some proclamation against anybody who has less than 7,000 comments.

For crying out loud, people can really irrationally jump on any comment that even barely suggests that there are new members who don’t contribute anything.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 27, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that third sentence wasn’t supposed to make the final cut. It doesn’t make any sense.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 27, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And you’re definitely twisting his words in trying to figure this against you somehow.

I was just using me as an example. I don’t really think that he has anything against me (though he probably does now:-))

I mean, seriously, if you don’t just just knee-jerk overreact to somebody saying something even remotely negative about new members, you’ll see all he’s saying is that he doesn’t invest himself in a new member until that member has shown that they’re actually interested in being a part of the community.

Uhh…no. He’s basically saying that new guys/guys that don’t have a lot of comments shouldn’t be able to post FanPosts, which is bullshit. This is a blog, FFS.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 27, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He said that he’d appreciate a short probationary period before you could post a FanShot,, not some strange, unheard of comment limit. The probationary period is really common among SB blogs. Grant chooses not to do it. That’s the only thing.

He did say that he tends to like posters more when they comment regularly. He didn’t even say “when the have lots of comments.” I don’t see what’s so weird about that. He never said he thinks those who haven’t made a lot of comments should.get railed on or have some sort of limited n00b treatment..

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 27, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not saying that it’s weird, I’m just saying that I disagree with it. People shouldn’t have to “prove themselves” in order to post a FanPost. If a certain FanPost bores you that much, just delete it, or hijack it, or don’t fucking read it.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 27, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying that they shouldn't..

But I think that members should by their own conscious just learn the community before jumping into it. For example, if you join, read for a couple days, notice many posts talk about OPS, OPS+, and other “advanced” stats (many I don’t understand, but trust others understand) instead of AVG and HR to talk about a player, then you’ll be most likely not to post a fanpost on “OMG THIS GUYS AVERAGE HIS GOOD” when he’s hitting for a .300 average but only with a .320 OBP and .340 SLG. We can pretty much tell that a .660 OPS is pretty meh in this place. Also they’ll be able to see that fan post that happend 2 days ago discussing the topic that you want to post about, and instead of making your own fanpost you can just add your thoughts to the older fan post.

I’m not against new members to the blog, I’m just someone who waits for the new member to gain respect instead of giving them respect.

For example, a new guy shows up on the job. Do you automatically trust him with the Big Johnson project? Or do you start him as an observer on the Smaller Smith project? You don’t give him a huge important project right off the bat, you’d start him watching other projects, then doing smaller projects until he’s gotten enough knowledge and respect to learn the job.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Sep 27, 2008 2:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't believe small ball is dead.

You have to have a group of good players be it with power or not to win.

The small ball era is dead and gone. Power numbers are the present and the future of baseball.

Look at the team 2nd to last team in home run totals this year, the Twins, they’re leading homerun hitter, Morneau, has 23, albeit more than any Giant but not a monster total by any means. And yet they’re still only a half game behind in the AL Central. How have they done it? Good Pitching, good defense and timely hitting, not by mashing homers. So your point that this team can’t win without a Homerun bomber in the lineup to me is not a valid one. But I will admit having one would help, but you can still win by playing small ball. Because the last time I checked small ball includes getting hits, which in turn I believe score runs.

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Sep 25, 2008 1:59 PM PDT   0 recs

The twins

have scored about 70 more runs than you would expect from their OPS. That’s timely hitting alright. And pretty lucky.
Also, their pitching is totally average. Their pitching is basically average+, with a good bullpen. They’re an 85 win team with some clutch hits and a weak division.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Sep 25, 2008 2:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So luck is also a good way to win.

Tough to harness, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 2:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We should totally trade for some more luck this year

or sign it, I guess. Is luck on the market by any chance?

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Sep 25, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, we haven’t seemed to draft much, have we?

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 25, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

luck would be our best way to contend next year

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Noah Lowry?

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Sep 26, 2008 7:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Twins situation is bit smilar to Giants’ though, and 85 wins in our weak division could get it done. But my point being you don’t have to have a power hitter to win games.

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Sep 25, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

But the Twins get SIGNIFICANTLY more hits than the Giants. They get more hits than almost anybody else in the league. Luck aside, they’re not where they are for lack of hitting. Whereas, we pretty much are where we are for lack of hitting.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

they just got lucky while the rest of their divison was rather unlucky this year. I mean, hell, the last place Tigers lead that division in team OPS+ this year.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 25, 2008 2:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Tigers

didn’t win because they don’t have pitching.

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Sep 25, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And D

Their D is poor.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Sep 26, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Twins don’t have a pitcher batting 9th which really affect you ability to score runs when you have a team that doesn’t hit homeruns.

by G-Rob on Sep 25, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 25, 2008 2:03 PM PDT   0 recs

How About No...

Changing the "yard’ is not an option. The issue is not with the yard, it is with the current roster.

When it is all said and done for 2008, I am feeling somewhat optimistic. The Giants drafted well this spring, had a few surprises here and there, and of course Timmy’s very good year on a bad team.

Don’t screw with one the best parks in baseball. I caught Lincecums start in Petco on August 1. That park is just boring as hell except for the Western Metal Supply Building.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Sep 25, 2008 2:08 PM PDT   0 recs

That park is just boring as hell except for the Western Metal Supply Building.

I never thought a metal supply building could be so exciting.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Sep 26, 2008 7:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you've been to Petco..

you would understand :-)

It’s not that it is such a bad park, it’s just really a “white-bread” type of place. Think Jeff Kent’s personality, no real “soul” or character. I have to been to quite a few parks across the country. Many of the “older” parks (Fenway, Wrigley ) have character and quirks that make the place come alive. Pac-Bell has that without all of the smelly alleys and sticky seats.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Sep 27, 2008 10:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pfft

Yeah, it would have been real nice if the Giants had hit twice as many HRs…and their opponenets had hit four times as many HRs.

Lame idea, especially for a team building around its pitching.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 25, 2008 2:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Worst Fan Post Of The Year

I nominate this one.

No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball

by Skaldheim on Sep 25, 2008 2:38 PM PDT   0 recs

I dunno, there’s been some pretty stiff competition.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 25, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Early in the year, there was one suggesting that maybe the Giants deliberately don’t score for Cain because he beats his girlfriend. That one definitely gets my vote.

What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC

by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m pretty sure its because every Giants pitcher smokes crack in Arizona.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Sep 26, 2008 7:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Needz moar Matt Cain trade proposal.

by dmunk on Sep 25, 2008 2:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have been planning one...

about how the Giants should tear down ATT and build in its place a huge mountain. Then build a new park on this huge mountain where the air is much thinner. Thinner air would lead to more homeruns thus making baseball more exciting for the fans who don’t understand baseball. Problem solved.

Of course, I would go much more in depth in my fan post.

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Sep 25, 2008 3:18 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

And by in depth, I am sure you mean all caps.