Rotoworld >:( "Bowker is clearly a better bet than Travis Ishikawa for the long term, but the...

Rotoworld >:(

"Bowker is clearly a better bet than Travis Ishikawa for the long term, but the start tonight was just his third since he was recalled on Sept. 2."

How is that even remotely true? I mean, there are legitimate arguments for both of them, but in what world is Bowker clearly a better bet than Ishikawa? Why does Rotoworld always talk out their ass like this? Why isn't there a way to preview fanshots so you know whether or not you're doing this right?

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Whyyyyyy!?

I wouldn’t say he’s “clearly” better. It’s probably a toss-up between the two.

Q: If you had to take one, who would you take? Bowker might have more flexibility, he can play OF and 1B (I use that term loosely).

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by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 5:17 AM PDT 0 recs

I do prefer Ishikawa, though it certainly could go either way. It’s just… Bowker is clearly better, based on what? His worse major league performance to date? His minor league OPS, which is something like .010 higher than Travis’s? Travis has had a couple seasons in the minors that are better than anything Bowker’s come close to putting up (2005 in San Jose, this year in Fresno), but he’s also had a few seasons that are way worse than anything Bowker’s come close to putting up (last year in particular, though I know he was okay in SJ.) Hell, if you’re going to go by scouting, I’m pretty sure Ishikawa has always been the more highly touted player.

Anyway, I would say I prefer Ishikawa because I think his overall package of secondary skills (OBP, power, etc) is a bit better than Bowker’s, but like you said, it’s a toss-up.

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by jponry on Sep 25, 2008 5:40 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, I think Ishikawa might have Bowker at defense at 1B, too. But, Bowker could get better, I don’t know. Bowker was a ~~5 in +/~~ at 1B this year.

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by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

That’s a ‘-5’ in +/-

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by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

Obviously Bowker is still learning, but he made his share of boneheaded plays at first this year. Then again, I can remember a few from Travis too. But Travis has always had the “GOLD GLOVE FIRST BASEMAN” moniker connected to him, hasn’t he?

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by jponry on Sep 25, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, GOLD GLOVE

/ball rolls under glove into OF

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by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 7:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

Gold gloves

Only slightly less hard than Iron gloves, but much heavier.

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by FairweatherFan on Sep 26, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

I love the gold glove, it’s so bad.

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by howtheyscored on Sep 27, 2008 3:30 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, i thought the same thing when i read it. You could make an argument for either player being the better bet long term. But to say that either is clearly a better bet is asinine, they’ve both around the same level. It’s pretty standard fare for Rotoworld though, where logic is replaced in favour of vitriol.

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by GiantFan on Sep 25, 2008 6:32 AM PDT 0 recs

BOWKER hit a DINGER last night. He’s clearly better.

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by xanthan on Sep 25, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, but was it MAJESTIC?

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by marcello on Sep 25, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

HORN FANFARE!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 25, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up 0 recs

GLORIOUSNESS

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by marcello on Sep 25, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

The best pro Bowker arguments I can think of is he was playing out of position and learning the MLB on the fly. That does add an extra level of difficulty to things. With 322 Ab’s he is getting out of small sample size territory. So it might worth noting he is tied for 3rd in hr’s on the squad. He has 77extra bases ( doubles, triples & Hrs) . Aurilia 85 with about only 80 more P.A.s.

Personally I don’t really think it clear cut. Fun fact I stumbled upon – How has Rowand not hit a triple this season?

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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2008 9:09 AM PDT 0 recs

It is hard to get all the way to 3rd base when you have to stop and dive head first into every bag.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 25, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

Aren’t the new poly fibers wonderful? Any fabric hit with something that hard 20 years ago would have ripped.

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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

DUDE HITS DINGERS

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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2008 10:01 AM PDT 0 recs

Oh, are we still taking Rotoworld seriously?

Okay.

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by groug on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 AM PDT 0 recs

Oh, are we ~~still~~ taking Rotoworld seriously?

Okay.

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by Cookyman on Sep 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

I just saw it on the sidebar and it made me >:(

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by jponry on Sep 25, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think Rotoworld does its player evaluations by watching the computer play itself using custom rosters in MVP 05.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT 0 recs

Best baseball game ever.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 25, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

Brian Sabean says:

Hey, they ripped off my method!

Note: I would have logged in as Brian Sabean to post this, which would have made it much funnier. But I can’t remember the password for that account. I won it in some contest ages ago. sigh

by Salemicus on Sep 25, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'd just try the obvious passwords

Gamer
Gritty
Dirt

Hack the planet!

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by marcello on Sep 25, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

MVP 05 is too next gen for Sabean

He’s probably doing RBI Baseball. Or Ken Griffey JR’s SNES video game that has nothing but fake players outside of JR. Too bad Sabean doesn’t know that and is in constant search of a former White Sox player named “Slugger Magoo”

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by NeifiChicken on Sep 25, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'll take Ishi

Bowker isn’t bad really, but I never really see him turning into the type of hitter we’d ever want to play on a daily basis (unless we loaded up our other positions with above average players).

He’s certainly a safer bet than Ishikawa, but Ishikawa has greater upside IMO since he has the ability to take a good share of walks

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by NeifiChicken on Sep 25, 2008 1:19 PM PDT 0 recs

Well, I’ll say this. Bowker is BY FAR the grittier player.

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by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 2:03 PM PDT 0 recs

Grittier = whiter?

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by delorean on Sep 25, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

I can’t think of a much better metric for that.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think Ishikawa is the better bet at this point. Bowker’s never had a season as good as what Ishikiawa’s done this year, plus he’s generally had better scouting reports.

by Dan from NM on Sep 25, 2008 6:57 PM PDT 0 recs