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Rating the Major and Minor League Depth of the San Francisco Giants, Part II

Stop hitting F5! Here's the second part of the organizational depth chart!

Corner Outfield (LF/RF)

Majors: B

High minors: D+

Low minors: D

Left field was a historically chronic hole for the Giants that was finally filled by Fred Lewis this year. Lewis was an average offensive left fielder, so even if he doesn’t improve at all, his panicked-yet-strangely-effective defense pushes him just into the top half. Dave Roberts is a decent backup, albeit an expensive one.

Randy Winn is good. Not average, not acceptable, but good. I feel like I’ve made a breakthrough. Of course, this acknowledgment probably comes with a .260/.320/.340 line next year, so I’ll have to enjoy it while I can

The rest of the system is iffy, at best. Only Nate Schierholtz projects as a potential starter, and even that’s debatable. He’s the only thing saving the high minors from a failing grade. If Winn were traded, I’d be more than happy to start Schierholtz. Heck, most of us would trade Winn for the express purpose of getting Schierholtz at-bats. But if Schierholtz is the starter, there isn’t a great young hope anymore. There isn’t a medium young hope, and there isn’t a passable young maybe. Brian Horwitz could probably be a decent bench player right now, and Eddy Martinez-Esteve might be one in the future. Thus endeth the good news.

Center Field

Majors: B-

High Minors: D-

Low Minors: D

Aaron Rowand, when defense and offense are both taken into account, is a slightly above-average center fielder. Maybe. I guess. Kind of. I’m not convinced he will remain one for very long. I’m not that impressed with his range, and his post-May hitting implosion has been ugly. When I watch him hit right now, I can’t imagine how he’s ever had a season better than, say, Pedro Feliz. For now, I’ll give Rowand some slack based on his fast start and his past history of mixing brilliant seasons with ugly ones.

Apart from Rowand and Winn – and I guess Fred Lewis wouldn’t kill a team if pressed into emergency service – the Giants don’t have anything at the higher levels of the system. After 2007’s .301/.363/.395, Clay Timpner seemed to be a defense-first backup-in-waiting, but he was awful this year. Antoan Richardson had .356 on-base percentage in Connecticut, which isn’t the end of the world, but he complements that with total unpower and poor contact skills.

Mike McBryde was a bright spot in the low minors. According to some scouts, he’d instantly be one of the better defensive players in the game if he were promoted, so it was nice to see him put up a .295/.368/.383 line, even if he was a 23-year-old in high-A. Of course, he was also a 23-year-old in high-A. Wendell Fairley is the best center field prospect the Giants have in the minors, but he hasn’t made it out of rookie league. And, really, the dude’s 20 already, so I can’t take his merely decent numbers with as much salt as I’d like.

Starting pitcher

Majors: B+

High minors: D-

Low minors: A

See, I’ve confused myself. If Bumgarner and Alderson are going to start in AA next year, for which group do they qualify? High minors or low minors? It’s almost like I’m making the rules up as I go along.

Lincecum and Cain, and pray that Sanchez’s control can maintain? Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez, and pray that Zito doesn’t make us anxious? And if you don’t think that "Sanchez" rhymes with "anxious", it’s because you’re from Wales, or something. Leave me alone. At any rate, it’s a fantastic front two, I have a lot of hope for the third starter, and then…blech. Zito will pitch until he can’t, and I’ve lost a ton of faith in Kevin Correia this season. Still, if Sanchez can be more consistent, and if Zito and the eventual fifth starter can pitch like league average fourth and fifth starters, the rotation will be the biggest strength of the team.

Matt Palmer was called up to start a major league game this season. That’s about all one needs to say about the state of the starting pitching prospect in the Giants’ upper levels. Joe Martinez is about the best thing above A, but his numbers were helped a great deal by his league and park.

But, oh, were the Giants stacked in the low minors. They have two top-25 pitching prospects in Madison Bumgarner and Tim Alderson, other interesting prospects like Henry Sosa and Kevin Pucetas, and a mixture of high- and low-upside arms scattered throughout, like Clayton Tanner, Jesse English, and Scott Barnes. The Adam Cowart Award for low-level control-based excellence was given to Mike Loree, which isn’t a bad thing for a 50th-round pick. If everything goes well, the grade for the high minors will go from "D-" to "A" next season.

Relievers

Majors/High minors: B-

Low minors: No idea.

The promotions and demotions of players like Geno Espeneli, Billy Sadler, Sergio Romo, Alex Hinshaw, and Osiris Matos made it pointless to try and differentiate the majors from the high minors. The Giants have a ton of hard-throwing, plate-missing relievers. This could turn out really well, or it could end in tears. All that I know is that Brian Wilson is kind of a badass, that Sergio Romo is 31 different varieties of awesome, and that every non-youngster in the bullpen is completely expendable.

And the only thing I know about the low minors is that Edwin Quirate seems like a pretty solid player for a fifth-round pick, so that rates a big, fat incomplete.

Conclusion:

The Giants have a good prospect at every position except for left field and center field, and both of those positions are filled for the long term. The organization has at least four top-100 prospects in the system, and Aaron Rowand is the only long-term solution over 30. Compared to what things looked like at the end of last year, I think we all would have taken that. There’s probably still a whole mess of short-term pain ahead, but this is the first time I remember having interesting young players at almost every spot on the diamond. It feels…odd.

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Horwitz was recently removed from the 40 man and outrighted…

…or something to that effect.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Sep 23, 2008 2:26 PM PDT   0 recs

What about Roger Roger Kieschnick? I guess it’s too early to tell, but he was supposed to be a comp-round pick this draft but fell because…. hell, i don’t know why. I just know he’s got the 5 traditional tools and has some upside.

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Sep 23, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

corner outfielder, btw

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Sep 23, 2008 2:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

scratch that, apparently his approach is subprime

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Sep 23, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I keep misreading the title of this post

Grant is rating thedepth of Mayor of 311

"Ice is made for two things: injuries and my drinks." The Lincecums

by igotnothing on Sep 23, 2008 3:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Should read "Rating 'The Mayor and the Miner'"

You know, the new sitcom about a sophisticated urbanite and a grizzled West Virginia coal miner who become zany roommates. I hear it’s a yuk a minute.

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Sep 23, 2008 3:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Mayor is about as deep as a dust pan.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 23, 2008 5:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IF....

The Giants starters rate a B+ and their relievers rate a B-, how is it that they have only a league average RA/ERA? Defense?

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Sep 23, 2008 3:12 PM PDT   0 recs

I think the grades are more reflective of the talent level at the moment, rather than the raw performance. Tyler Walker might be screwing up our bullpen ERA, but that shouldn’t obscure the promising relievers we’ve got, too.

by Dan from NM on Sep 23, 2008 4:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ding ding ding.

Stop trying to mess with me, ZB.

by Grant on Sep 23, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is to say, stop calling me out as if these posts are ill-informed, rushed, and hastily slapped together. They are certainly not.

I spent, uh, six..teen hours on this marvelous piece of thesis pie. Yep. So appreciate its brilliance.

by Grant on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And I spent uh six…tenn minutes proofreading it

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 23, 2008 5:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Boy...

You must have spent a long time. Sixtenn isn’t even a number!

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Sep 23, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually caught that while typing it, but thought it was funnier to leave it in.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 23, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

stop

being so pollyannaish! Then.

Or, if you prefer – With whom shall I mess with, my Liege?

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Sep 23, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Xanthan. His stats give him power, but he has become drunk with this power. His greed and ambition frighten me, and he must be stopped.

Go! Like the wind!

by Grant on Sep 23, 2008 5:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

STATS GOONIES, GO!

ABACUS AND PROTRACTOR, GET HIM!

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 23, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

giants system

very top heavy with several elite prospects
strength in mlb sp’s and lower minor sp’s
the bats they do have past the couple elite guys have disappointed some or are fringe types
lacks depth in position prospects, lots of pressure on the 08 draft to provide those position players

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 23, 2008 3:32 PM PDT   0 recs

He didn’t play this year, but you can throw Rafael Rodriguez in the hopper for future corner outfielders.

I’m also interested in Thomas Neal. I know he played first base, but I’m holding out hope that he could end up in left eventually. His slash line of .276/.359/.444 isn’t bad for a guy who was 20 for most of the year in Low-A.

Neal had good scouting reports, too, back when he made the Baseball America prospect lists for SF.

by Dan from NM on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM PDT   0 recs

I always root for the bear

FU, AJ.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 23, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of the Twinkies

I’m sure Joe Maddon will be the runaway AL Manager of the Year winner, but Ron Gardenhire deserves some major props for the job he’s done this season. They lose Santana and Hunter in the offseason and most people picked them to finish just above the Royals, and now they’re a series sweep from leading the division and making the playoffs. (And yes, credit to Bill Smith/Terry Ryan as well).

No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.

by Kitspool on Sep 23, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder how these rankings improve if Lowry and Hennessey come all the way back.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 23, 2008 5:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Lowry is a pretty big “if”, and Hennessey might not even be back next season. IIRC, he’s only signed through the ’08 season.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 23, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea..

Hennessey is only signed through this season but is still up for arbitration at the end of the year, maybe one more year as well. He’s making over a million this season, and probably wouldn’t take much of a pay cut. If he’ll stick around here for around 500k and be a swingman in the bullpen then I’d take him back but otherwise I’d release him.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!

by WalrusMan on Sep 23, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Giants aren’t allowed to offer him less than 80% of his current salary. They’ll probably non tender him.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 24, 2008 1:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder what it would be like if I won the lottery.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 23, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you won the lottery

You might have a shot at Steffes!

Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.

by thehavenot on Sep 23, 2008 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A man can dream.

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 23, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m glad Hennessey gets one more start. Seems more likely than anybody else to be 5th starter in 09.
I picked him for about 14 wins in a pre season poll a couple years ago. His physical health (not arm) has been shaky at times, but when that’s OK, he’s effective. That mysterious late movement, the pitching to contact, the winning a 3-0 game with a 3 run HR in 06 or so.

adopter/sponsor of "Go, Antoan" Richardson

by foothillsfan on Sep 23, 2008 5:40 PM PDT   0 recs

huh?

"Left field was a historically chronic hole for the Giants that was finally filled by Fred Lewis this year. "

Does my sarcasm meter need fixing?

by Bitter Fan on Sep 24, 2008 1:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Look, it’s not as if we had a perennial All-star and MVP candidate there for the past 15 years or something.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 24, 2008 1:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously

Now if we were talking about first base, that’s a different story!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 24, 2008 2:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rankings seem pretty fair, i’d say your corner outfield rankings are a little harsh though. As mentioned by others, with Kieschnick & Rodriguez in the corner outfielders, the low minor ranking probably should be at least a C.

It depends on who you count in the high minors grade, but if you’re including Bowker & Schierholtz then i’d say it should be at least a C as well.

Proud owner of the most boring Username! Alex Hinshaw: Now showing in a bullpen near you!

by GiantFan on Sep 24, 2008 4:26 AM PDT   0 recs

On the high minors O.F section what is the conscious on Copeland?

Personally I think he is interesting. He will be 25 next season. I know there is small sample size issues in Fresno ( 96 P.A.s) yet more BB’s (11) then K’s (9) at Fresno is not something we see often in the Giants system With Tipner already having 5 minor league seasons he might be moving on making it possible to play Copeland in C.F more often.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM PDT   0 recs

Juan Carlos Perez

Find this kid intriguing. He turns 22 years old in November and recently had ACL tear but should be ready by January. He combines power and speed and can play CF! Wonder if he begins at Augusta or San Jose in 2009?

by wilriv21 on Sep 24, 2008 12:13 PM PDT   0 recs

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