Who has the brighter relief future?

by Matt Rox on Sep 21, 2008 3:36 PM PDT Comment 50 comments

I have no clue regarding the possable careers for the following relievers. Sergio Romo, Geno Espineli, Alex Hinshaw,and Osiris Matos. I know that Romo has the better control. I think that Hinshaw had ther best minor league stats though, but I'm not sure. So, who do you think has the best future. Maybe suggest if any that I mentioned have a possable future in the SP role

The best career ERA and longest career would be nice to know too

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All of them!!!!!

by ACgiant97 on Sep 21, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Personally, I like Hinshaw and Romo the most. Not too big on Espineli, and Matos is slightly better, IMO.

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by raisingcain on Sep 21, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Conventional wisdom probably puts them in this order, from best to worst: Romo, Hinshaw, Matos, Espineli.

by rotorueter on Sep 21, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Hinshaw’s lefty status and platoon issues really limit his upside. True, a lefty with a good fastball can stick around long past their expiration date, but it’s difficult for even quality southpaws to lose the platoon label.

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by Bhaakon on Sep 21, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ROMO.

I think he and Hinshaw will become a fantastic set-up combo. But Romo is the more complete pitcher at this point. Also, I love him. ♥____♥

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by jponry on Sep 21, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You...you...you...you....

you’re a girl! Live and learn.

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by Idaho Nick on Sep 23, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey I loved Sergio first! FIGHT

Actually, Lisa Winston has us both beat. She was telling me how great Romo is at the AFL last November.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 23, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

TRIPLE CAT FIGHT!!!

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 24, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 24, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Romo will be a very good reliever, Hinshaw and Matos will be at least good enough to stick, and Espineli will, in a few years, be as forgotten as such former relievers as Doug Creek, Chris Hook, and Enrique Burgos.

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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It appears that I’m only the second person EVER to mention Enrique Burgos on MCC. YES!

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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Going with Fannie, Freddie, Lehman and AIG over our kids.

by wilriv21 on Sep 21, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So apparently Romo's good

by fwoty oz on Sep 21, 2008 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ranked

Romo
Hinshaw
Espineli
Matos

I was the Wilriv of Romo supporters!

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by xanthan on Sep 21, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I’VE LOVED ROMO FROM THE BEGINNING.

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by jponry on Sep 21, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Espineli over Matos? I’m not an expert on either, but at a glance, Matos has better numbers than Espineli in the majors and the minors, and is also two years younger.

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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He likes his socks.

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by jponry on Sep 21, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stirrups ftw.

Jcb, I think it’s a toss up between Geno and Matos. I went with Geno because he’s a lefty and could find a nice niche as a LOOGY.

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by xanthan on Sep 21, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Esineli’s looked horrible every time I’ve seen him pitch, so that’s probably not helping my opinion of him.

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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the lefty thing that Geno has going for him is the only thing he has going for him. He’s tough on lefties, but but righties just kill him. You can’t be a situational lefty if you’re a middle relief guy, and that’s all he could ever be. You can’t use him late in the game because the other team will just pinch hit for the lefty and Geno won’t be able to get him out.

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by rxmeister on Sep 22, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Give in to the power of the stirrups!

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have been on the Romo bus for a while.

Not as long as the Denker bus, but for a while.

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by oldjacket on Sep 21, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Earliest documented instance of my love for Romo.

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by oldjacket on Sep 21, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Romo's clearly the best.

Romo has the stamina to be a starter, and was successful in the minors at it (he was the primary pitcher in a no-hitter in Augusta). His fastball is not overwhelming, but his arm angles are quite deceptive and he has a good slider, change and control.

Hinshaw is tantalizing, when is control is good. He isn’t just a platoon pitcher, but becomes one if his control gets iffy….which is a major issue for him (61 walks in 69 2/3 innings in San Jose in 2006). He has real strikeout stuff when in control.

I do like Espineli more than Matos. Espineli went from relieving to starting in the minors, and is flexible enough to do it when needed. Espineli comes off as a platooner because his throwing motion is a very rough angle for lefties, almost starting from behind them. Right-handers, however, will always have an advantage. I don’t think his future is as bleak as some say, but he won’t be an All-Star. He doesn’t have the high potential, but he’s more likely to accomplish it.

Matos is the other way around. He has high potential, but I don’t have as much faith in him reaching it. He could be a solid setup man, but has a lot of issues with consistency. I’d put him at last.

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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Matos can at least throw in the nineties. Espineli has zero stuff, he just has the deceptive style against lefties. Matos is also two years younger. I put Matos way ahead of Espineli. I would be surprised if Espineli is even in the organization next year.

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by rxmeister on Sep 22, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

After what I saw Saturday

I would take Espinelli over Taschner.

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by marklar on Sep 22, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s between Worrell and Walker, I cant decide.

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by delorean on Sep 21, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

FASSERO!

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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Romo
4. Matos
6. Hinshaw
11. Espinelli

I adopted Sergio two years ago. Thanks, and I’ll be leaving for Las Vegas tomorrow – my future’s so bright I gotta wear shades.

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by Lyle on Sep 22, 2008 3:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I did some PFX stuff on Romo this morning if anyone is interested:

http://www.baycityball.com/2008/09/22/i-like-sergio-romo/#content

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

nah

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by delorean on Sep 22, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

y i outta….

Why do you have to be so mean, Delorean?

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice work as usual.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, JP. You’re OK for a Rush hater.

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you’re ok for a Rush fan.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 22, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Want to borrow my vinyl copy of 2112?

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually did like that album for awhile.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that people actually like Rush kind of amazes me. While they may be talented as musicians, everything else about them makes me laugh. Not in a good way.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you'll stop laughing

when Neil Peart does a complex, 10-minute long drum solo on your head.

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by Kitspool on Sep 22, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And this is something I should want to listen to!?

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Hinshaw turns into a decent reliver. Nice stuff and all…

It’s just that I have had enough of guys who refuse to throw strikes. We’ve seen these types of pitchers for quite some time now. Throw strikes!

And for goodness sake, put a bend in that cap, you knucklehead!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2008 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Romo grew up a dodger lover

this limits my ability to like him.

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by WTF on Sep 22, 2008 8:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

he used to love them, but now he kills them

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by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

this

My buddy, who is life long Giants fan, married a former Dodgers fan from SoCal, yesterday. He got her to change her tune about the Bums when they dated.

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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 22, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m getting married in two weeks and my future wife gave me a pair of Giants cuff links yesterday to wear for the wedding.

She wasn’t ever a Dodger fan, but shes a G’s fan now for sure. The brainwashing is complete.

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Congrats man!

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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 22, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Judy said Yes?

Make me proud again Hen

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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Romo has the brightest future, clearly. And after yesterday’s game, can you imagine if this wacky transaction had turned out the way we were all afraid it would at the time?

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by Kitspool on Sep 22, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs