Offseason

by giantsrockdudes on Sep 2, 2008 5:06 PM PDT

This offseason should be very exciting and all I reall want to see done are 2 moves: Sanchez for Davis, therefore giving us a stud young 1st baseman, dont give me the Villonava argument, he is 17 years old. How much can you want from one kid? If he devolps then great, then we have 2 of the best young and upcoming 1st baseman in the game. (This is a Good thing) We could also just put Big V in the OF if necessary. He figures to be ready in about 4 years, when Rowands contract is up.

Second, and final move, sign Rafael Furcal to a very lucrative 4 yr/ 55 million dollar deal. We have no legitate Middle infield prospects (This means that Ochoa, Burris, Velez, and Denker are not real prospects) Its time we face reality, these guys have very low cielings and cant really amount to much. Thus leaving us with a projected lineup in 2011 with

C- Posey 1st- Davis 2nd- One of the attempts that we cal a "prospect" SS- Furcal 3rd base- Sandavol (assuming he can handle it, which i think he could) OF Lewis, Schierholtz, Rowand and a staff with Lincecum, Cain, Burgmarger, Alderson, Some guy named Zito.

The roster looks pretty legitmate with maybe a whole in the OF lacking some power and possibly a 2nd baseman but that can be solved in coming years if Frandsen doesnt work out. I know this is a long way away and very hard to accomplish but if done we could maybe just maybe bring SF its first ever World series. (From the Giants)

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AnVil is 18, not 17

by silentearth36 on Sep 2, 2008 5:14 PM PDT 0 recs

Also

Burgmarger ftw!

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981

by Lyle on Sep 3, 2008 2:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

We don't exactly have a plethora of major league ready starting pitchers

At least good ones, so I don’t know if I would be trading Sanchez right now.

"Forget it Donny, you're out of you're element"-Walter Sobchak

by icanplaythird on Sep 2, 2008 5:16 PM PDT 0 recs

Sanchez for Davis would be a great pick up, but most say that Davis would actually cost more than Sanchez

by silentearth36 on Sep 2, 2008 5:17 PM PDT 0 recs

Rajai Davis is not a young stud first baseman.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 2, 2008 5:23 PM PDT 0 recs

You're confused

He meant Russ Davis.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Sep 2, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

Both wrong

He meant Chili

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 2, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ossie.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 2, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

Baron

Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.

by ThrillisGone22 on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

Have we figured out which Davis he means?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

Sammy Davis Jr.?

by chilibean_3 on Sep 3, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

farther off topic...

I love the golf story about him. When golfing he was asked what is his handicap? To which he said I am a one eyed, black, Jew how many more do I need?

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 3, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

Speaking of golf…

Davis Love III?

"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."

by stobgopper on Sep 3, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Jonathan Davis?

by chilibean_3 on Sep 3, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

I figured Crash, but we already called him up from Fresno.

Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.

by EliminateMe on Sep 3, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

chris davis?

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

oh wait 2nd base

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

yes chris davis

by silentearth36 on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

hold up

save sanchez, use him in the rotation next year, trade him at the deadline next year, up his value, bring back a prospect, sanch hasn’t peaked in value yet and we are not in a hurry to trade him

"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored

by CPGiant756 on Sep 2, 2008 5:36 PM PDT 0 recs

Thank you for the excellent and intelligent post

by allfrank on Sep 4, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

That's too much for furcal..

Odds are he’s going to be hurt for a total of 2 out of the 4 years.

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM PDT 0 recs

Only 2? I’d say he’d spend the majority of a four year contract hurt or subpar because of a prior injury. Aging SS with back problems… no thanks.

"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!

by GiantsFanInExile on Sep 3, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

hey, anyone here see "Best in Show?"

great movie.

by joe t on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM PDT 0 recs

I thought it was a dog.

– clank –

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 2, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

Cookie? Cookie Googleman?

by tyrannoman on Sep 3, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

does this sound familiar?

“I’m not wearing any under-pants…..”

by joe t on Sep 3, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Thanks a lot, you stupid hotel manager!

by satyricrash on Sep 3, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

good

but I likes “A Mighty Wind” better.
And of course, Spinal Tap wins teh thread

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Sep 3, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like Waiting for Guffman the best, though all four are brilliant.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 3, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

My ranking:

1 This Is Spinal Tap
2a. Waiting for Guffman
2b. Best In Show
3. A Mighty Wind

And a final thought regarding Parker Posey: Yes, please!

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 3, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up 0 recs

I’d have to go with:

1) This Is Spinal Tap
2) Best in Show
3) Waiting for Guffman
4) Mighty Wind

by tyrannoman on Sep 3, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

Guffman?

I’ve got it on DVD, but haven’t seen it yet. On par with “Tap” and “Wind?”

"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."

by stobgopper on Sep 3, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

on par with tap, much better than wind.

by haverecords on Sep 3, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

this

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 3, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

See

I felt entirely opposite. I found guffman boring and forced.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 3, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

nah

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 3, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

“Wind” was good, but the subject matter being spoofed didn’t seem to cry out for a spoofing like the other movies. But then again, I’m more familiar with rock & roll, dog shows and bad community theatre than I with folk music.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 5, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'M NOT WEARING UN-DER-WEAR!

F___ Mike Marshall!!!

by NuschlerFace on Sep 3, 2008 9:23 AM PDT 0 recs

that’s the first..and only..time I’ve done it on a roller coaster…

by tyrannoman on Sep 3, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

"I've banged a lot of waitresses in my dad

but you were the best."

by joe t on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

In your Dad?

Eww

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 3, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

“You’ve grown.”

“I’m growin right now, baby…”

by tyrannoman on Sep 4, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up 0 recs

I am a huge fan of any type of citrus fruit.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 3, 2008 9:57 AM PDT 0 recs

LOUD NOISES!!!

CAN WE JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT SIGNING FURCAL!? I have gotten tired of reminding everyone that he is always hurt, and when he’s not, he hasn’t shown anything to prove he is worth $10 million per year.

No offense, but this is a pretty ridiculous post. I think there’s a good chance Big V will be up before 4 years, and don’t kid yourself, there’s no way he’ll be able to play OF. I think it’s pretty safe to say he can be penned for 1B. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to acquire through trade or FA a 1B, but I think 3B would be much more beneficial, as Pablo can play 1st much better and longer than 3rd (and Bowker is also available). There are no viable 3B prospects in the system.

Trading Sanchez at this point wouldn’t be a great idea unless a young stud infielder could be acquired in return. If a good hitter can be had, it could make up for the gap in the pitching depth with the loss of Sanchez, but don’t trade him just for the sake of getting any hitter. I would be much more comfortable with waiting until MadBum and TimA make it closer to the bigs…then, there will be a surplus of pitching and it will be reasonable to trade Sanchez or someone else.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 3, 2008 10:34 AM PDT 0 recs

CAN WE JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT SIGNING FURCAL!? I have gotten tired of reminding everyone that he is always hurt, and when he’s not, he hasn’t shown anything to prove he is worth $10 million per year.

I don’t think the potential of getting Furcal is in the same category as “Schierholtz at 3rd”. Because you’’ve “gotten tired” of it is not enough of a reason for the subject to become off limits.

Like him or not, he’s a plus player at a position of need in this organization.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 3, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

this is my Nate-at-3rd, yes.

I would argue that he’s a plus player (albeit, it is a positional need on this team, but not worth $10 million + per). Career stat line:

.287/.352/.412 12 HR, 59 RBI

That is not the line of a difference maker. That’s Rich Aurilia-like for almost all his stats. Would you be willing to pay at least $10 million for an average Aurilia year? That’s not even taking into consideration that he’ll probably only play 2 out of 4 years because he’s hurt so often. It says something when you type “Rafael Furcal” into Google, and the first auto-fill search that comes up is “Rafael Furcal injury”.

I guess people can talk about it if they want, I’ll just keep reminding them that it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 3, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

whoops

meant to say “I would argue he’s NOT a plus player”

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 3, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

+1

SS with back injuries are not good bets. SS over 30 with back injuries are really, really bad bets. SS over 30 with back injuries, hammy injuries, etc are really, really, really, really (…..) bad bets.

"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!

by GiantsFanInExile on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

If you’re going to go after a SS, Furcal is not the one to go after. JJ Hardy would be a much better target, younger & more durable. I’d think that Sanchez for Hardy might be a fair trade.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 3, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

When the Brewers stopped laughing, they would ask for our Third Starter AT BEST

by tyrannoman on Sep 4, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

He’s not “always hurt.” He’s been hurt this year, but before that he’s played 138 games, 159, 154, 143, 156, 154 (going backward).

The back problem is a huge red flag, but it’s also an opportunity, since no one is going to give him the huge contract his talent deserves. I’d be happy to give him a bunch of money for one or two years, if we can’t acquire a good young shortstop (and we probably can’t). More than two years is probably a poor risk.

by Evan on Sep 3, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up 0 recs

This

I agree that it might be a good opprotunity to buy low.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 4, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

would it really be buying low, though?

Even, say, if somehow he agreed to a 2 year contract, wouldn’t it cost at least $10-15 per year? I fail to see how that’s buying low. And, by the reasoning of most on this blog, he won’t be part of the next great Giants team, so why spend the money on him when it could be spent elsewhere on someone that could be had for the long haul?

You’re right, most of his career he’s played more games than I thought he had. Most of those seem to be in Atlanta, though. Recently he’s been hurt quite often, though. And I also fail to see how it would be reasonable to pay a lifetime .287/.352/.412 12 HR, 59 RBI hitter at least $10 million (which, to my understanding, is what it would cost to get him).

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 4, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

But at any price, 6, 8, 10, 12 mil, how many more games will he put in the win column that Ochoa – or Ochoa and Burriss?

by allfrank on Sep 4, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

Now THAT is a good question.

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981

by Lyle on Sep 4, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

If he stays healthy and plays at his career averages? Three or four.

Which isn’t going to get the Giants into the playoffs unless they’re very lucky in other areas. But what’s the alternative? Ochoa would also be a stopgap. Burriss might evolve into a solid shortstop, but (a) he really needs more time in the minors, and (b) the Giants seem to see him as a second baseman anyway.

by Evan on Sep 4, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up 0 recs

I dunno. They’ve been starting him more at shortstop lately.

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by Natto on Sep 4, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

the alternative

would be to start Burris/Ochoa, and take the money to upgrade at a different position, say 3B or 1B.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 5, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up 0 recs

Will. Not. Happen.

Sanchez for Davis won’t happen. Cain for him? Maybe, but I don’t know if I’d want to do that.

The offseason needs to be about making shrewd gambles that do not sacrifice the future, but the can only help it

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Sep 3, 2008 11:02 AM PDT 0 recs

It better be Davis AND Andrus if Cain is involved!

F___ Mike Marshall!!!

by NuschlerFace on Sep 3, 2008 11:07 AM PDT 0 recs

No and No

Sanchez was brilliant in the first half of the season. I think he wasn’t used to pitching as much as he did this year and got tired after the ASG. I agree with CP Giant756 and UnleashTheGore that Sanchez’s value will be higher next year. I was ready to see him traded last year, but seeing how much he progressed this year, trading him now seems like a mistake.

Furcal – do not want. Way to injury-prone, and too expensive for what you’d get.

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Sep 3, 2008 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs

Plus, you’d have to get rid of all that Dodger smell on him…

by tyrannoman on Sep 3, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah,

If he came here, spent most of his time on the DL, and swung a weinie bat when he played, that Dodger smell would make it even worse. On the other hand if we got Russell Martin to play 3B, I think I could live with the Dodger smell until it wore off.

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Sep 3, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up 0 recs

ok ppl

its VILLALONA SHIT GET IT RIGHT!!! He is 19 scott boras is his agent he signed for 2.1 million or so and is not 17 nope not 18 yes 19 i said! He will be up by 2010 opening day not four years from now maybe 2 or 3. Thats being said u want to overpay another crappy player with a history of injuries? ya good 1 2 for 2. BURRIS WAS OUR 2nd round pick in 2006 and we gave him a million in signing bonus! Scouts have called him a pesky reyes without the power if he can become a gap to gap hitter. so no angel in 2011 u r crazy he is there for sure. We will get another OF by 2011 nate and lewis likely wont be there too

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Sep 3, 2008 10:50 PM PDT 0 recs

19?

Source?

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by Natto on Sep 3, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

ya

i meant 18 august 13 1990 but u know wat i mean the kid has been here since he was 16 so hes learning and he has decent stats .260 15 bombs not bad for just turnin 18

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Sep 3, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

Speaking of 'get it right'

As Natto called it, you’re wrong on his age.

Burriss was not a 2nd rounder; he was a sandwich round player, which under the scheme of the time, that is a first round pick.

Boras was only a semi-agent for Villalona, and wasn’t included in the paperwork for his signing (and Boras, true to form, threatened a law suit over it.) It seems Boras was more the agent for the Buscone, than Villalona. And this should be a caution to you: agent/player interactions area different animal with dominican IFA’s than with American draftees.

2010 opening day is extremely optimistic. They likely let him spend the whole year at SJ next year (unless he just rakes the hell out of the ball). Then AA the next, with a possible callup if he’s raking. And attempted evidence of signing bonuses and how fast one reaches the majors has little to it (you have to compare IFA’s to other IFA’s on time to the majors, btw). And even with Burriss, he wasn’t called up because of his bonus, he was called up because the Giants were silly thin at SS, and to everyone’s surprise, he’s stuck.

And by the way, you’re grammar and writing style is awful. This isn’t a text message, and this isn’t tmz.com, so don’t be a english deficient douchebag.

Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?

by haverecords on Sep 4, 2008 3:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thank you!

Better, and more calmly, said than I could have put it.

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981

by Lyle on Sep 4, 2008 7:14 AM PDT up 0 recs

Applause!

And by the way, you’re grammar and writing style is awful. This isn’t a text message, and this isn’t tmz.com, so don’t be a english deficient douchebag.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 4, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

But if you’re going to slam someone’s writing and grammar and call them a douchebag, shouldn’t you spell “your” correctly to not look like a douchebag yourself?

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Sep 5, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

pwned?

by chilibean_3 on Sep 4, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

tht funy

by tyrannoman on Sep 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thanks

Thank your for demeaning my english. I promise that I will no longer use the shortcuts in my posts. Im an intelligent college student, and I should know better.

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Sep 5, 2008 11:32 AM PDT 0 recs