Suck it Randy Winn haters
Offense isn't everything (that feels dirty to write for some reason).
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Offense isn't everything
I’m pretty sure Timmy’s score would be far better than Randy’s.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Yea..
But Cy Young is for pitchers, MVP should be for batters.
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OK, I'll bite...
Why? Why couldn’t a pitcher be the league’s most valuable player?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I don't think anyone here hates Winn.
Some people would just like to see him traded for some prospects. I’ve always been against trading Randy, but there is a good argmument to do so.
i'll get to pitchers eventually
still not sure what stats I want to use for starters. WPA? ERA? something fielding-independent like FIP?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
i totally understand
ideally i’d use a WPA/zone rating combination, but that doesn’t exist. FIP (or xFIP) is totally context-neutral, which isn’t ideal for MVP, although that’s probably what i’ll do. and FIP-runs above replacement are already available and are park-adjusted.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
why's that?
and what do you think of tRA — statcorner.com?
the HR/FB skill takes a long time to settle down, meaning you should regress heavily over one season. the fact that xFIP is 100% regression isn’t correct, but i’m guessing 100% regression is more accurate than 0% regression (FIP). HR/FB would ideally be park-adjusted, too.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
haven't seen much tRA in action
but it seems sound. FIP is tried and true.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
My reason is prejudice and not reason at all.
Giants pitchers work up in the zone at home, to get more strikeouts/flyouts within AT&T’s generous dimensions. XFIP tends to consistently portend doom for them.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
well, AT&T kills homeruns, so Giants' pitchers have HR/FB rates around 9% instead of league-average 11 or 12%
are they taking advantage of the stadium intentionally or are they overrated by the stadium?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Well,
I don’t really think those two things are mutually exclusive. It is intentional, though. Flyball/strikeout pitching is an organizational philosophy that’s taught way down in the lower minors.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
Well, you’re at a Giants site, so clearly the answer is there is no way they are overrated. Probably underrated. :)
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Does it measure heart or grit?
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I’m for trading Randy, for a good package in return. I don’t think that will happen though. The perception of Winn is pretty different from his actual value. Anyways, I too don’t think many people dislike Randy, I just don’t think most realize how valuable he’s been.
BTW, the title is intentionally aggressive, not seriously though.
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I agree with all that.
However, “perception of Randy” isn’t a static thing. The dude has basically gone insane over the last month, and I think that needs to be taken into account.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Static
Very true, and if the Giants can trade him for a nice package this offseason I would be ecstatic (while proofreading this I just realized I unintentionally wrote a shitty pun). Although, and I don’t remember who brought this up, but I liked the idea of the 4 OF for 3 spot platoon that was outlined where Lewis, Rowand, Winn, and Schierholtz all get ~500 ABs. Dammit, back on the wishy-washy fence….
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for a team like the Giants who aren't ready to compete
why would you spend money on a guy like this? fans don’t appreciate him (although they appreciate his wins, i suppose) and you might as well give a young guy the playing time, no? seems like a great trade option.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
I understand, I’m just saying that having the 4 isn’t the worst thing in the world. Really, it’s just a necessary rationalization for what we know is going to happen (not trading Winn).
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The haters are out there.
Baseball Prospectus is one of them. Many people on this board refer to Winn as a fourth outfielder, too.
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Randy Winn
better than mark teixieria
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 18, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
only considering Teixeira's contributions with Atlanta, naturally
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 18, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
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