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Matt Cain Trade Proposals

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et me state clearly that I still love seeing this horse take the mound every fifth day, but I am beginning to think that if there is a time to trade this stud it has to be now. The need for a trade this offseason is to ensure that other teams still want him and his stuff before he gets tabbed as being a loser (a pitcher who consistently loses). There are a select few players that I would try to pry away using Matt Cain as the primary trade chip.

Matt Cain for SS Jimmie Rollins

Pros: They both have reasonable contracts that end in 2011 (Rollins owed 28.5M for the next 3 years and Cain is owed a little over 13M over that time) This would be a good homecoming for Rollins to the Bay Area where he calls home. Injects a MVP SS into the 3 spot in the lineup that has plays good defense and has speed that could play well in our park. This move provides a legitimate solution at SS through 2011 and Jimmie will still be under 33 when his contract expires. Could have one of the speediest teams in baseball.

Cons: Rollins is a speed player that may be on his way down in his career. Moves Burriss into the 2B mess.

or

Matt Cain for Prince Fielder

Pros: A legitimate power bat at 1B to plug into the clean up spot for years to come. Only just turned 24 this past May. Daddy could hit and this little tank appears to be getting better and better. Could offer substancial contract for him. Being a vegetarian in SF is not a bad thing.

Cons: Little on the heavy side and could worry about him ballooning up. Limited to 1B where Villalona could be the future. Don't have a contract set in place for him and would have to negotiate to keep him in San Francisco. Left handed batter whose numbers could drop from not playing home games in the bandbox that is Miller Park. Could have one of the pudgiest teams in the majors(Bengie, Pablo, Prince).

Potential 2009 Roster/Lineup:

1.RF- Winn 2.LF- Lewis 3.SS- Rollins 4.C- Molina 5.CF- Rowand 6.3B- Sandoval 7.1B - Ishikawa 8.2B - Velez/Burriss

or

1.RF - Winn 2.SS- Burriss 3.LF- Lewis 4.1B- Fielder 5.C- Molina 6.CF- Rowand 7.3B- Sandoval 8.2B- Velez

1. Lincecum 2. Sanchez 3. Zito 4. Lowry 5. Hennessey/FA

CL- Wilson RSU- Romo LSU- Hinshaw RhP- Correia LHP- Taschner RHP- Valdez RHP- Yabu/FA.

My final thoughts: Losing a Matt Cain type of pitcher could hurt for a little while without a quick replacement available for 2009, but the need for a substantial bat is that dire. You need to give up value to get value and I would roll the dice on either one of these to batters. I like that lineup a whole lot better than what we had this year with Omar or Aurilia at 1B

Thoughts? Who would you consider for Matt Cain?

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.. and I thought this had to be a joke

… no.

I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..

by lmaozedong on Sep 18, 2008 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs

I’m not going to blurt out WE CAN’T TRADE CAIN but let’s examine something.

I have Cain valued as +3.6 wins above replacement. Fielder is valued at +2.3 wins above replacement and Rollins is valued at +2.5 wins above replacement.

Cain is worth +1 win over each Fielder and Rollins. Also, consider that Cain has a more attractive contract than Rollins who is earning $7.5M, $7.5M, and $8.5M over the next three years (still a good value for the Phillies but more than what Cain is earning). Prince will start to get expensive as he goes back to arb.

Cain is clearly a better value than both Fielder and Rollins right now, he gives you more wins above replacement for less cost. Also, add in the fact that teams will most likely undervalue Cain because of his win totals, and I’m not sure you would get close to fair value in a deal for him.

Keep Cain, let him continue to grow and deal him when you can get fair value for him. If Bumgarner and Alderson make it to the majors and succeed as well as Cain has (which is probably a huge stretch, let’s be realistic) then you can think about moving Cain, but until then, keep him.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Just putting out an idea of players I would consider for Cain. I didn’t know about that wins over replacement stat, but it is pretty interesting. Thanks

by krukuipandclint on Sep 18, 2008 11:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, and Prince and Jimmy are common targets because they represent big weaknesses on the Giants, that being SS and 1B. But, Cain is adding more value than either of them right now and I think people have started to underrate Cain. He shouldn’t be someone we need to trade right now.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess in short: The Giants would be worse off if they traded Matt Cain for either Jimmy Rollins or Prince Fielder.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

I’m glad that’s solved

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by BrianBokake on Sep 18, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Next?

High gas prices!

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well , DUH!

Their respective ERAs are astronomical.

OK , seriously. If WARP is comparing a player’s win contribution value to the theoretical replacement player …umm…

Look , they tell me there’s an afterlife but I’m still skeptical.

I guess I just don’t understand how there can BE a stat like that – sometimes players are swapped for players who exceed or underperform when compared to their predecessor – how can this be any kind of a known quantity?

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I just don’t understand how there can BE a stat like that – sometimes players are swapped for players who exceed or underperform when compared to their predecessor – how can this be any kind of a known quantity?

I’m not sure what you mean, Vic, care to re-phrase for me? If you’re wondering how they define a replacement level player it’s defined as talent that is freely available or able to be traded for at minimal cost. Think AAA players.

Now, if you want to debate at where you set the bar for replacement level, you could have a debate. Some still wonder where to set the bar but it’s closer than you think. A team comprised of replacement level players would win about 50 games in a season. You can then find out how many wins above replacement your guys are adding, then add it to the 50 win baseline to find out about how many games you should win.

The Giants would be losing about 1-win if they traded Cain for Rollins or Fielder.

This is a great post on WAR, and explains it better than I can.

http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/14/2008-win-values/

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WAR?

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

GOOD GOD YA'LL!

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

say it again…

by tyrannoman on Sep 19, 2008 8:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like a particular West Coast MLB franchise...

IT AIN’T NOTHIN’ BUT A HEARTBREAKER

This phrase popped into my head last night which elicited a wry grin

“West Coast offense”

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by victor frankenstein on Sep 19, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup. Def. Thx.

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by victor frankenstein on Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You have Rollins at +2.5 wins above replacement? Did you include defense? His offense is worth about 2.5, but his defense adds at least another 10 runs, putting him closer to 3.5 WAR, probably more.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 18, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve got him at +17 runs right now on defense, that’s like 1.5 wins.

I shorted him a +1 for his defense now looking at my spreadsheet. So, you’re right, he’s about a 3.5 WAR.

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed it.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you using -/+?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 18, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, he’s +22 plays, best defensive SS in the NL right now. That works out to about +18 runs right? So he’s like 1.7 wins on defense, correct?

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 1:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, I was wondering how you had him +2.5 on offense? His wOBA is only .342, which is good for a SS, but it’s right around league average.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

His wOBA*, according to StatCorner, is .347. I’m using the WAR calculator to translate it into wins.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 18, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, way better than I thought. But that’s plays above average, right? Replacement level for a SS is what – at least 10 runs below average (BP say it’s 20 , but their replacement level is really low)? So, 28 runs on defense + 2.5 wins on offense = ~4.7 WAR. That is really good.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 18, 2008 1:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Memo To: Anyone who wants to trade Matt Cain in a One-For-One trade

NO!!!

How many fucking times do I have to spell this out??? Trading an established major leaguer for ONE other established major leaguer DOES NOT improve this team! Let me repeat that, in case you missed it the first time:

How many fucking times do I have to spell this out??? Trading an established major leaguer for ONE other established major leaguer DOES NOT improve this team! Let me repeat that, in case you missed it the first and second time:

How many fucking times do I have to spell this out??? Trading an established major leaguer for ONE other established major leaguer DOES NOT improve this team! Let me repeat that, in case you missed it the first, second, and third time:

How many fucking times do I have to spell this out??? Trading an established major leaguer for ONE other established major leaguer DOES NOT improve this team!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:24 AM PDT   0 recs

he called the shit poop

don’t tell me my business, devil woman

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by BrianBokake on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is the greatest day of my life!!!

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by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently more than four

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by delorean on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Omar's established.

I’d trade him.

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by victor frankenstein on Sep 18, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Should that have read, “Trading one valuable established major leaguer for ONE other valuable established major leaguer (of approximately equal value) DOES NOT improve this team?”

It’s sort of implied, but I’m with you that I’d trade Omar too.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

depends on need, tho

(Hypothetically) If we have 17 center fielders but need a 1st baseman, and another team has the opposite, then a trade of 2 established major leaguers could help both clubs.

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by delorean on Sep 18, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

“In a situation like the Giants are in, where very good talent is a rare commodity, trading one valuable established major leaguer for ONE other valuable established major leaguer (of approximately equal value) DOES NOT improve this team!”

Apparently this is a work in progress. But the general concept stand, especially in regards to the Giants.

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by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How about

Plugging one hole by unplugging another is a net stagnant process.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 18, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Concise. I like it!

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by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rather ambiguous. not sure what you’re getting at….

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 18, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

JR, this message was not very helpful. Can you please not swear to make your point seem more important. Thank you

by krukuipandclint on Sep 18, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fuck that shit with a rake. Swearing is good for you. Don’t take it personally, we’ve just seen a lot of Matt Cain trade proposals in the last couple months.

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by marcello on Sep 18, 2008 5:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If that is how it has to go then swear away and thanks for the heads up

by krukuipandclint on Sep 18, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am fucking offended by that shit.

by rotorueter on Sep 18, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d apologize, but you started it, what with the “Trade Matt Cain for one established major leaguer” thread. When you die and stand before the pearly gates, Saint Peter is going to ask you why you felt the overwhelming need to make JR Phillips swear on the internet. And what will you answer then?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 9:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Take a lesson out of the A's book

If you trade 1 of your superstars, you do it for a group of potentials and 1-2 sure things. This will be the only trade i will do for Matt Cain.

Matt Cain sucks at pitching.

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 18, 2008 11:36 AM PDT   0 recs

Thank you.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Trading one valuable established major leaguer for ONE other valuable established major leaguer (of approximately equal value) DOES NOT improve this team!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

Well technically it depends on who the established person IS. i.e. Omar (established) for A-Rod (established).

BUT

That would be downright nutty.

Mimic the Dan Haren trade and get a bunch of guys who are goign to be league average at least and you will probably get suprised by at least 1 or 2 of them. Frankly I would rather be shocked at that new SS hitting .315 with 25 HRs than Omar Vizquel getting over the Mendoza line.

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 18, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There are a bunch of trade proposals I could see involving multiple players for Cain. He should have similar value to Dan Haren, so a similar trade should be something to go down.

If the Rangers think they can take the division next year, I could see something like Chris Davis, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison and Max Ramirez. If the Rangers offered that package I don’t see how the Giants could turn it down. Whether they’d do such a thing is another question entirely.

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by iamawesomer on Sep 18, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this is the only type of Cain trade scenario even worth discussing. Look at the hauls that the O’s got for Bedard or the A’s got for Haren. Trading Cain is at least in those categories.

However, he won’t be a free agent until after the 2011 season. I’d consider trading him in the offseason prior to 2011 if the team decides that they won’t be able to sign him and have fully committed to Lincecum (via a long term deal) by then. Otherwise, keep him!

But I wouldn’t trade a pitcher of that caliber making 3/$13M. The Giants love his deal. They’re not going to trade him away for one more expensive player.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 18, 2008 1:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this is the only type of Cain trade scenario even worth discussing.

Truer words were never spoken.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I could see something like Chris Davis, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison and Max Ramirez.

That’s basically my trade-Cain proposal from a couple of months ago.

Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.

by thehavenot on Sep 18, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be where the “valuable” and “of approximately equal value” parts of what I said come into play. You’d have to be a stupid motherfucker to take Omar Vizquel in exchange for A-Rod, at this very point in time.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM PDT   0 recs

Dammit all to hell!

This was supposed to be a reply to Giant Voodoo… Apologies for the messup…

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like the real J.R. Phillips, you fail.

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by xanthan on Sep 18, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

I agree. I think we, as well as most the McCoven, are on board for a trade of our non-Lincecums for a package of awesome quality and quality.

For Cain i would want 1 surefire pitcher, 1 good bat that is guaranteed to be above average, and 2 or 3 others that are going to be league average at best relievers or whatever. No reason to sell low on the Cainer since he is definitely solid like a Haren.

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 18, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On board: Anyone but Lincecum for surefire prospects – multiple, not one. This is called stockpiling talent.

Not on board, but what I continually see: Half-assed proposals of Cain for one major league hitter, with the ridiculous notion that this will cure all that ails the Giants.

What I never want to see again: Half-assed proposals of Cain for one major league hitter, with the ridiculous notion that this will cure all that ails the Giants.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 18, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree and disagree

I agree with part of what you’re saying here. If the Giants could get two top-notch prospects for Matt Cain, I would make that deal. But I would also trade Matt for Prince in a heartbeat.

I agree with you that Prince alone won’t make the Giants a contender. But at 24 he should be in his prime when the Giants do become very solid contenders in three or four years. Prince was Rookie of the Year in his first season, and finished third in the MVP voting his second. That was at ages 22 and 23. At those ages Matt has been a very good but not great pitcher.

Prince isn’t having his best year this season, but isn’t it better to trade for a player when his value is up, not down? Probably the biggest reason I WOULDN’T trade Matt now unless the deal was quite good is that Matt’s value isn’t really at its peak. Two very good starts to finish out the season (to go along with his last, good outing) would help.

Certainly it is impossible to predict the future, but Prince Fielder has established himself, while Matt is still struggling to do so. He’s fallen back a bit this season, but in 2007 Prince likely played at or above Matt’s ceiling.

If the deal were offered — which I doubt — take it!

by sharksrog on Sep 19, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In 3 or 4 years, Fielder will be "in his prime" and... a free agent

Why not keep Cain and sign him in 3 or 4 years?

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by PaulThomas on Sep 20, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Is this what we've been reduced to?

We’re officially eliminated from playoff contention and it has begun.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but the one thing I’m NOT looking forward to is the countless, “We should trade …. for ….” and “My hairbrained GM ideas” and “Projected 2009 Roster/Lineup Circle-jerk” threads that will plague this offseason on the McC board.

I don’t know about you, but I’ll be hibernating down at the end of the bar. Someone gimme a swift kick up the arse if I’m needed for random and inappropriate image posting.

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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 18, 2008 12:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Hey PBB...
I’ll be hibernating down at the end of the bar

Dude, wake up, it’s your turn to buy a round.

by bgunn on Sep 18, 2008 1:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Then don't fucking read them

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by S.F. Giangst on Sep 19, 2008 5:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's what he was saying...

Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.

by thehavenot on Sep 19, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or, as I always say, if you’re tired of something, actually say that you’re tired of it. That way people know. And if enough people are tired of something, the people who wouldn’t know if they hadn’t said anything might just consider that.

That surest way to make sure that something everybody’s tired of keeps happening is to ignore it.

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by howtheyscored on Sep 19, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade for Arod you say?!?

A-rod Small

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gtfo, thnx.

by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 18, 2008 12:06 PM PDT   0 recs

It never fails to amuse me that, in the macho world of sports, men love to refer to athletes as “studs.” And a “horse,” in this case.

Holy homoeroticism, Batman!

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by jcb9 on Sep 18, 2008 12:09 PM PDT   0 recs

aaaaand

cinderella story?

really? how about like, a die hard analogy or something.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 18, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A Rudy story?

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 18, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They like big ones.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 18, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What if we traded Matt Cain for...

Matt Cain! OMG!

Get this: Yeah we would be losing a potential stud pitcher and anchor of our rotationbut in return we would get back a potential stud pitcher and anchor for our rotation.

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Sep 18, 2008 12:17 PM PDT   0 recs

i laughed.

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 18, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nicely done

Nicely done — but at this point the BEST we can say is that Matt is more potential than reality. Matt is either a really good #2 starter or a poor #1starter at this point.

Matt doesn’t really have great swing-through stuff, although it certainly is well above average and it has been better this season than last. Much of Matt’s success has come through his ability to limit opposing batters’ BABIP — but Matt has regressed back toward average since putting up an obscene BABIP figure when he came up three Augusts ago.

If Matt could ever find his control, he would become a #1. A year ago it appeared he would do so. After walking 4.50 batters per nine innings in the season’s first four months, he had reduced that to an amazing 1.80 in August and September. But this season he’s back up to 3.65 per nine even after his no-walk performance in his last outing.

By the way, when Prince Fielder won the Rookie of the Year Award two years ago, Matt finished 5th. Has he since closed the gap?

by sharksrog on Sep 19, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way, when Prince Fielder won the Rookie of the Year Award two years ago, Matt finished 5th. Has he since closed the gap?

Actually, Hanley Ramirez won the ROY in 2006. Fielder finished 7th – two spots behind Matt.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 19, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops!

Oops! I saw ROY next to Prince’s 2006 season but failed to notice the (7). So forget THAT reason. But Prince’s 2007 season was far better than any Matt has put up, and I would take his 2008 season over Matt’s, as well. They’re within five months of each other age-wise, with Prince the older.

by sharksrog on Sep 19, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Has he since closed the gap?

Hell yeah, he’s closed the gap! I’d say Cain’s chances of winning the Rookie of the Year is just as good as Fielder’s chances of winning it!

Though judging by Cookyman’s comment above, I guess it’s Fielder whose chances of winning the ROY are now just as good as Cain’s chances.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 19, 2008 2:29 PM PDT