Ned Yost?
What do you guys think about the Giants letting go of Boch and gettting Ned Yost? Bochy isnt the right manager for what were trying to do, he can do the whole older team thing, but thats not exactly our siutation. Ned Yost has expierence with a younger team, and he knows how to handle them and get them to produce. Is it all his fault for the Brew Crew's recent slide? Remember, they do have Rally Killer Ray, or whatever negative nickname you want to use for him.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on
Sep 17, 2008 3:52 AM PDT
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uh
he is. Sorry if that doesn’t agree with your preconceived notions.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM PDT
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It appears we disagree about many things. Such is the world.
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on
Sep 17, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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Please, Define "Good"
Is above average for his position “Good” or not?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Sep 17, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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Occasional defensive miscues aside, Ray’s offense is above average for a second baseman. He gets on base and has some pop, both valuable abilities to have at the top of a lineup.
by Natto on
Sep 17, 2008 12:32 PM PDT
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Oh, and to think that I thought you were laughing about the fact that it seemed like Natto was making one final fatherly defense for his former adopted Giant.
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by howtheyscored on
Sep 17, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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/jponry
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by oldjacket on
Sep 17, 2008 7:11 AM PDT
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I think that Brewers fans would know better than us whether this is a good idea.
Brewers fans say: this is not a good idea.
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by groug on Sep 17, 2008 12:12 AM PDT 0 recs
He probably is better than Boch, but he is not the answer. I think that Boch should go, but not for Yost, or Valentine. Maybe its time for Wotus, he has been watching some great managers for awhile, maybe he learned something. What is Roger Craig doing?
by Big Daddy J on Sep 17, 2008 12:15 AM PDT 0 recs
Humm Baby!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Sep 17, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
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Uhh...
…which great managers has he been watching, exactly? And if there are great managers around, why not try to hire one of them instead of a guy who’s just been watching them?
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
Sep 17, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
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Well
He has a TV, doesn’t he?
I’m sure he watches post season baseball. Its not like he’s had anything else to do in October for the last few years…
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Sep 17, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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Well, heck, if that’s the qualification, hire me! I’ve been watching some great managers too.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
Sep 17, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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We should have an election for manager
I’ll run on the platform of never using Tyler walker vs. left handed hitters.
Or maybe just at all.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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Now that’s a platform that I can support.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Sep 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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My Vote...
You Have It.
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by nvsfg on
Sep 17, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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Maybe not great. But-dusty took us to the series. Felipe took us to the playoffs and if it wasnt for the sure hands of jose cruz maybe further. Bochy was great(with the Padres)when given some talent. If he takes the best of all these guys, he’ll be better than all of them. I am not saying I want him right now, but I like him better than some scrubs out there who are re-treads. Plus, does he get a chance to show us what he can do?
by Big Daddy J on
Sep 17, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
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Vizquel for Manager
I’m all for getting a bat out of his hand but having his presence around. He’s a good guy and has valuable knowledge to pass down to the youngins. He’s young to be a manager and I know he still wants to play but I’d offer him the job.
by IVSPORT on
Sep 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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without ANY experience?
I say give him a season or two on the bench or managing in the minors before putting the rebuilding project in his hands.
by sam23 on
Sep 17, 2008 3:12 PM PDT
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anything that gets his bat out of the lineup and doesn’t involve bochy is alright by me
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on
Sep 17, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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Ned Yost watched Bobby Cox
It apparently didn’t do him any bit of good.
by Hobbes2d on
Sep 17, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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Nah mang
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by stealth snail on Sep 17, 2008 12:59 AM PDT 0 recs
Trey?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
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No.. Actually I was thinking of Todd Linden.
by AmorVincitOmnia on
Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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me no like
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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 17, 2008 1:00 AM PDT 0 recs
When in Mesa , AZ...
Ned Yost stays at the Hiway Host.
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by victor frankenstein on Sep 17, 2008 2:05 AM PDT 0 recs
No thanks
I’d like us to have someone else other than Bochy as manager, but not interested in Yost. You need to make some pretty terrible decisions to be sacked when in the position he was in!
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by GiantFan on Sep 17, 2008 3:10 AM PDT 0 recs
Yost was fired for a reason, dude.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Sep 17, 2008 5:13 AM PDT 0 recs
But was it a good reason?
Seems to me he was fired for the same reason most managers get fired: the team started losing and management wanted to show they were doing something. Is there really any reason to think that the Ned Yost who managed the Brewers to a 3-11 record in September was any worse a manager than the Yost who led them to an 80-56 record through August?
And his replacement is sure to win over lots of fans among the MCC statheads with this:
He told players in his first team meeting to expect to bunt and hit-and-run more often. In other words, the Yost critics who insisted the team should try to play more small ball may be getting their wish.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
Sep 17, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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Yes, it was
For things like this:
Yost has to take a big part of the blame as well, after making some of the worst tactical decisions you’ll see. In the eighth inning of yesterday’s first game, the Brewers were tied 3-3. Guillermo Mota allowed a leadoff single to Jayson Werth, and was lifted for Brian Shouse so that Shouse could face Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. (Charlie Manuel’s refusal to always put a right-handed batter between those two is a big reason why the Phillies will have trouble winning a short series.) Utley sacrificed Werth to second, setting up Shouse versus Howard.
Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was… well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can’t. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can’t hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.
That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn’t have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he’s a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.
Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That’s when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.
So it was no surprise that four pitches later, the Phillies were up 7-3. Burrell singled in one run, and Shane Victorino cleared the bases with a three-run homer to left.
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by marcello on
Sep 17, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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Well, even if that were the reason given, he’s been a terrible manager the last few years, especially with regards to … managing pitchers and bullpens!
He continued to bring Eric Gagne into high leverage situations this year, even with an ERA over 7. I mean come on. He basically decides on roles for players early in the year and then refuses to deviate from them even if circumstances dictate that he should.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Sep 17, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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He basically decides on roles for players early in the year and then refuses to deviate from them even if circumstances dictate that he should.
Sounds like another manager I know.
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by xanthan on
Sep 17, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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Yost would appear to be even worse though. I mean, this is mostly based off rants by Harveys Wallbangers over on BBTF, but it sounds like Yost last year basically decided that the goal for each game was for the starter to go 7, Turnbow to pitch the 8th and then Cordero to pitch the 9th. When that didn’t work (or when Turnbow and Cordero got gassed from pitching too much), Yost had no clue as to what to do.
In addition, I think it’s more than a bit telling that his teams have had complete meltdowns two Septembers in a row.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Sep 17, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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Isn’t this the guy that made Gallardo pitch with a torn ACL?
No thanks.
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 17, 2008 5:39 AM PDT 0 recs
From what I have been reading
Yost has made some in-game decisions that make Bochy look like a genius.
You think Bochy’s love for Tyler walker is bad…
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 8:50 AM PDT 0 recs
Bob Brenly
Nothing against Ned, but I’d prefer Bob Brenly. He has the experience of developing younger players, was a cather and thus knows a few thing about pitchers, has won a world series, and has great Humm Baby Giants lineage. Supposedly he and Magowan did not get along, but now maybe there would be a chance.
by Sblantonus2002 on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM PDT 0 recs
hmmm
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Sep 17, 2008 8:57 AM PDT
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“Has won a World Series”… come on, a dog with a laser pointer could have won with that team.
by satyricrash on
Sep 17, 2008 8:57 AM PDT
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Dogs don’t have index fingers!. How else is he going to say to Luis Gonzalez, “Hey, you, hit it over there and we win.”
by satyricrash on
Sep 17, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
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Something to be said for a trained monkey that does not press the buttons out of sequence.
/ looks at Yost.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Give me brenly over boulder skull any day of the week
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by BrianBokake on
Sep 17, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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I don’t think the question Brenley vs. Bochy, I think the question is Brenley vs. an open field of candidate, some of whom aren’t retreads.
by satyricrash on
Sep 17, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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+1
well said.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Sep 17, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
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well then, who would you suggest?
Rafael Rodriguez: More tools than Home Depot.
by BrianBokake on
Sep 17, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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hope you like Bunts!
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by oldjacket on
Sep 17, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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love em’
Rafael Rodriguez: More tools than Home Depot.
by BrianBokake on
Sep 17, 2008 5:14 PM PDT
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HATE ’EM!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 17, 2008 9:04 PM PDT
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And you other brothers can’t deny…
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on
Sep 17, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
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yes
i’ve been in favor of BB as mgr for a long while now.
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by The Gene Hackman on
Sep 17, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Barry Bonds? I don’t think he’s going to go for it.
by chilibean_3 on
Sep 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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HA!
see, it’s funny because they share the same initials.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on
Sep 17, 2008 12:50 PM PDT
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Yes to Brenly
or even Wotus, who I think might be underrated as a potential manager.
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by Buck Henry on
Sep 17, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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Finally Some Love For
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by nvsfg on
Sep 17, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
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Anagram of "Ron Wotus":
WOOT, RUNS!
Okay, I’m sold.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on
Sep 17, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
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Anagram of "Ned Yost?"
Y STONED?
(didn’t use the anagrammer for that one)
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 17, 2008 10:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Den o' Sty
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by marklar on
Sep 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT
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Hell No
The September collapses of the last two seasons tell you all you need to know about that bum. Forget him.
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by Skaldheim on Sep 17, 2008 11:26 AM PDT 0 recs
Hmmm
Cain and lincecum kept in for 130 pitches per start? Pass
Actually, I don’t really know how he’s handled pitchers besides Sabathia, but still…
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by raisingcain on Sep 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT 0 recs

















