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Ned Yost?

What do you guys think about the Giants letting go of Boch and gettting Ned Yost? Bochy isnt the right manager for what were trying to do, he can do the whole older team thing, but thats not exactly our siutation. Ned Yost has expierence with a younger team, and he knows how to handle them and get them to produce. Is it all his fault for the Brew Crew's recent slide? Remember, they do have Rally Killer Ray, or whatever negative nickname you want to use for him.

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Ray Durham is good, dude.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 17, 2008 12:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 17, 2008 3:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

uh

he is. Sorry if that doesn’t agree with your preconceived notions.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It appears we disagree about many things. Such is the world.

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please, Define "Good"

Is above average for his position “Good” or not?

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Occasional defensive miscues aside, Ray’s offense is above average for a second baseman. He gets on base and has some pop, both valuable abilities to have at the top of a lineup.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 17, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and to think that I thought you were laughing about the fact that it seemed like Natto was making one final fatherly defense for his former adopted Giant.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

/jponry

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 17, 2008 7:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that Brewers fans would know better than us whether this is a good idea.

Brewers fans say: this is not a good idea.

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by groug on Sep 17, 2008 12:12 AM PDT   0 recs

He probably is better than Boch, but he is not the answer. I think that Boch should go, but not for Yost, or Valentine. Maybe its time for Wotus, he has been watching some great managers for awhile, maybe he learned something. What is Roger Craig doing?

by Big Daddy J on Sep 17, 2008 12:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Humm Baby!

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 17, 2008 9:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhh...

…which great managers has he been watching, exactly? And if there are great managers around, why not try to hire one of them instead of a guy who’s just been watching them?

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Sep 17, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

He has a TV, doesn’t he?

I’m sure he watches post season baseball. Its not like he’s had anything else to do in October for the last few years…

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, heck, if that’s the qualification, hire me! I’ve been watching some great managers too.

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me 3

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We should have an election for manager

I’ll run on the platform of never using Tyler walker vs. left handed hitters.

Or maybe just at all.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that’s a platform that I can support.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My Vote...

You Have It.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Sep 17, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe not great. But-dusty took us to the series. Felipe took us to the playoffs and if it wasnt for the sure hands of jose cruz maybe further. Bochy was great(with the Padres)when given some talent. If he takes the best of all these guys, he’ll be better than all of them. I am not saying I want him right now, but I like him better than some scrubs out there who are re-treads. Plus, does he get a chance to show us what he can do?

by Big Daddy J on Sep 17, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Vizquel for Manager

I’m all for getting a bat out of his hand but having his presence around. He’s a good guy and has valuable knowledge to pass down to the youngins. He’s young to be a manager and I know he still wants to play but I’d offer him the job.

by IVSPORT on Sep 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

without ANY experience?

I say give him a season or two on the bench or managing in the minors before putting the rebuilding project in his hands.

by sam23 on Sep 17, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

anything that gets his bat out of the lineup and doesn’t involve bochy is alright by me

Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.

by jasomack on Sep 17, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ned Yost watched Bobby Cox

It apparently didn’t do him any bit of good.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 17, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah mang

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by stealth snail on Sep 17, 2008 12:59 AM PDT   0 recs

I’d like to see Lunsford as the manager.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 17, 2008 12:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Trey?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No.. Actually I was thinking of Todd Linden.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

me no like

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 17, 2008 1:00 AM PDT   0 recs

When in Mesa , AZ...

Ned Yost stays at the Hiway Host.

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by victor frankenstein on Sep 17, 2008 2:05 AM PDT   0 recs

No thanks

I’d like us to have someone else other than Bochy as manager, but not interested in Yost. You need to make some pretty terrible decisions to be sacked when in the position he was in!

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by GiantFan on Sep 17, 2008 3:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Yost was fired for a reason, dude.

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by jponry on Sep 17, 2008 5:13 AM PDT   0 recs

But was it a good reason?

Seems to me he was fired for the same reason most managers get fired: the team started losing and management wanted to show they were doing something. Is there really any reason to think that the Ned Yost who managed the Brewers to a 3-11 record in September was any worse a manager than the Yost who led them to an 80-56 record through August?

And his replacement is sure to win over lots of fans among the MCC statheads with this:

He told players in his first team meeting to expect to bunt and hit-and-run more often. In other words, the Yost critics who insisted the team should try to play more small ball may be getting their wish.

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Sep 17, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it was

For things like this:

Yost has to take a big part of the blame as well, after making some of the worst tactical decisions you’ll see. In the eighth inning of yesterday’s first game, the Brewers were tied 3-3. Guillermo Mota allowed a leadoff single to Jayson Werth, and was lifted for Brian Shouse so that Shouse could face Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. (Charlie Manuel’s refusal to always put a right-handed batter between those two is a big reason why the Phillies will have trouble winning a short series.) Utley sacrificed Werth to second, setting up Shouse versus Howard.

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was… well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can’t. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can’t hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn’t have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he’s a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That’s when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

So it was no surprise that four pitches later, the Phillies were up 7-3. Burrell singled in one run, and Shane Victorino cleared the bases with a three-run homer to left.

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by marcello on Sep 17, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, even if that were the reason given, he’s been a terrible manager the last few years, especially with regards to … managing pitchers and bullpens!

He continued to bring Eric Gagne into high leverage situations this year, even with an ERA over 7. I mean come on. He basically decides on roles for players early in the year and then refuses to deviate from them even if circumstances dictate that he should.

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 17, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He basically decides on roles for players early in the year and then refuses to deviate from them even if circumstances dictate that he should.

Sounds like another manager I know.

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by xanthan on Sep 17, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yost would appear to be even worse though. I mean, this is mostly based off rants by Harveys Wallbangers over on BBTF, but it sounds like Yost last year basically decided that the goal for each game was for the starter to go 7, Turnbow to pitch the 8th and then Cordero to pitch the 9th. When that didn’t work (or when Turnbow and Cordero got gassed from pitching too much), Yost had no clue as to what to do.

In addition, I think it’s more than a bit telling that his teams have had complete meltdowns two Septembers in a row.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Sep 17, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn’t this the guy that made Gallardo pitch with a torn ACL?

No thanks.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 17, 2008 5:39 AM PDT   0 recs

From what I have been reading

Yost has made some in-game decisions that make Bochy look like a genius.

You think Bochy’s love for Tyler walker is bad…

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Sep 17, 2008 8:50 AM PDT   0 recs

Bob Brenly

Nothing against Ned, but I’d prefer Bob Brenly. He has the experience of developing younger players, was a cather and thus knows a few thing about pitchers, has won a world series, and has great Humm Baby Giants lineage. Supposedly he and Magowan did not get along, but now maybe there would be a chance.

by Sblantonus2002 on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM PDT   0 recs

hmmm

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

“Has won a World Series”… come on, a dog with a laser pointer could have won with that team.

by satyricrash on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

im curious

why a laser pointer?

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 17, 2008 9:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dogs don’t have index fingers!. How else is he going to say to Luis Gonzalez, “Hey, you, hit it over there and we win.”

by satyricrash on Sep 17, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Something to be said for a trained monkey that does not press the buttons out of sequence.

/ looks at Yost.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Give me brenly over boulder skull any day of the week

Rafael Rodriguez: More tools than Home Depot.

by BrianBokake on Sep 17, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think the question Brenley vs. Bochy, I think the question is Brenley vs. an open field of candidate, some of whom aren’t retreads.

by satyricrash on Sep 17, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

well said.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 17, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well then, who would you suggest?

Rafael Rodriguez: More tools than Home Depot.

by BrianBokake on Sep 17, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hope you like Bunts!

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 17, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

love em’

Rafael Rodriguez: More tools than Home Depot.

by BrianBokake on Sep 17, 2008 5:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HATE ’EM!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like bad bunts and I cannot lie.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Sep 17, 2008 9:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And you other brothers can’t deny…

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by PacBellBoozer on Sep 17, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

NO

I can’t stand Brenley, never could.

by tyrannoman on Sep 17, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

i’ve been in favor of BB as mgr for a long while now.

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by The Gene Hackman on Sep 17, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Barry Bonds? I don’t think he’s going to go for it.

by chilibean_3 on Sep 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HA!

see, it’s funny because they share the same initials.

"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Sep 17, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes to Brenly

or even Wotus, who I think might be underrated as a potential manager.

Meet my three little friends: Timmy, Dirty, and Cain

by Buck Henry on Sep 17, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Finally Some Love For
Wotus !

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Sep 17, 2008 2:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Anagram of "Ron Wotus":

WOOT, RUNS!

Okay, I’m sold.

Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.

by EliminateMe on Sep 17, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Anagram of "Ned Yost?"

Y STONED?

(didn’t use the anagrammer for that one)

Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 17, 2008 10:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Den o' Sty

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Sep 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hell No

The September collapses of the last two seasons tell you all you need to know about that bum. Forget him.

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by Skaldheim on Sep 17, 2008 11:26 AM PDT   0 recs

Hmmm

Cain and lincecum kept in for 130 pitches per start? Pass

Actually, I don’t really know how he’s handled pitchers besides Sabathia, but still…

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Sep 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

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