Left 4 Thread
by Natto on Sep 13, 2008 9:32 PM PDT
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looks like a NERD to me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
A nerd with awesome numbers!
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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why’s the guy so old?
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Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
He played INDY ball for awhile, I’m not sure. Like I said in the last thread, he was a guy I was hoping the Giants might pick up.
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I think at one point, he was even a minor league FA but the Yankees signed him and put him in the Rule 5, I think.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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Capellan..
He was a guy from A- ball, what do you expect him to do against major league hitters? It was a gamble.
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Wow..
Those are pretty good statisticles.
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Heckler...
JOHNNY!!!!!
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Kuiper with the Lisp
Linthicum is coming out.
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somehow I'm worried
because what happens on McCovey Chronicles has more effect on the Giants game than the Padres do, at this point.
fixed
Can Lincecum survive this thread?
by i wish we were good on Sep 13, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
The best heckler
would be a middle aged woman who sounds like everybody’s mom. All she’d have to do is holler your name in that “oh, you’re gonna get it” voice.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
Let’s go Tim.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2008 9:36 PM PDT reply actions
Timmy in the MLB
is like Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl.. it’s just not fair.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
whoo one out
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
2 outs!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply actions
I LIKE TIM LINCECUM
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
/puts on baseball glasses
Timmy should wear them on the mound when he pitches.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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He should wear those awesome sunglasses he made a few games ago.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah!
Those are the ones I’m referring to
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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Oh I thought you meant like the K-Rod/Gustavo Chacin goggles.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
TIM FINISH THIS MOTHERFUCKER
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
don't remind me :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
OR READ YOU
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMN IT
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:40 PM PDT reply actions
haha, lets go Giants chant going.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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meh
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
I love Bochy and his HES NOT A TOY quote from last game.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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A-Gon
chooses NOW to not strike out. What a dick.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
C’MON
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:41 PM PDT reply actions
meh
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
How do they not pull him now? Geez. I blame Barbieri and also Bochy for being stupid enough to be swayed by the rant of a dumb radio host.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
Umm no
Bochy has been leaving guys in all year. I really don’t think something some dumbass radio host says will sway his thinking one way or another.
who's crying already?
i’m close
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BOCHY PULL HIM YOU FUCKING IDIOT
We now return to your normal WalrusMan
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Nothing surprises me anymore.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
WE ARE 11 FUCKING GAMES BACK OR SOME SHIT WHY IS E STILL IN THIS FUCKING GAME ARRRGH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
DESTROY DESTROY
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Baker & David Tennant are my faves
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I just knew
When I came home and saw the situation I just knew the McCoven would not be pleased
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
I wouldn’t even have sent him back out for the 8th
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Kruk just summed it up perfectly
We need this CGSO. The team does.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
not really.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
This CGSO will win us the division…wait
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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What does that even mean?
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
You need your ace to have the confidence
To finish a game
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If he doesn’t already have confidence from everything he’s already accomplished, he doesn’t belong in the major leagues.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
sorry but
that’s stupid.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
No...
I can see. We’ve seen pitchers fail in the 9th as closers, I can see how it can be the same with starters.
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Okay, but that doesn’t mean you need to force him to throw almost 140 pitches.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Clearly yes.
But yea I can understand the idea.
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FINISH HIM
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
Hey Xanthan, you're #6
Was trying to find the most pitches by a starter this year.
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Tim stop trying so hard
That is how injuries and more bad pitches are made.
PRAISE JEEBUS
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
truer words were never spoken
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Sep 13, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
COMPLETE MOTHER FUCKIN' GAME!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions
STFD GONZALEZ
BUT STILL AAAAAARGH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
YESYESYESYESYEYSYSYSEYSEY
HOORAY.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 13, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions
Hooray meaningless short-term awesomeness at the cost of potential arm problems in the future!!!!!!
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
YEAH
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XIIK
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
It’s starts with ice. But soon they move on to harder stuff. Balms and oils, stuff you and I have never even dreamed of. Before they know what hit them, they’re mop-up guys for the Long Island Ducks.
who told you to put the balm on?
Jackie didn’t tell you to put the balm on!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Absolute CLASSIC!
Jackie Chiles might be the best Seinfeld character ever. I think we need a 200-thread OT on this.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't tell what a balm's gonna do!
A balm is unpredictable!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Jackie Chiles..
The actor may never have happened. When they taped the episode featuring the non-fat yogart and the mayor race in New York, one version used the episode you see now. The other episode featured the man who played Jackie Chiles as the “mayors spokesman.” If he played that part he wouldn’t have come back for Jackie.
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Sure
His celebratory drinks will be a lot better if they’re cold.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
We get the best tonight and the worst tomorrow afternoon.
A gamer does NOT wear a foam finger, a dork does.
ah thank the maker
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
Whay part of Tym LynCYcym don't u understand?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
FUCKING A
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2008 9:45 PM PDT reply actions
wow....
come on Bochy…
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I love Tim though.
He just won the CY with that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
against the team with the 3rd worst record? Thoe intent on doubting will not be convenced.
It should be Tim’s as of 2 Webb dud starts ago.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Yes. And Webb has had better run support. And has “faded” in the final 6 weeks of the season.( Traditionally the later is unforgivable for a Cy Young want to be.)
I am just saying those that want to doubt will not be impressed that much.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
This is a big moment
It’s Natto’s first shutout thread. How does it feel?
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
Grant, sign Natto to a $126M deal!
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Just don't take me out...
To clubs and dinner and to look at your blackberry with celebs texts when you get famous Natto.
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HEY WALRUS MAN, CHECK OUT MY SWEET NEW IPOD
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iPods SUCK
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So, the NEXT start they’ll ease up on him, right? Right?
I’ve been saying this since August.
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He's gonna pitch every game until the end of the season
The Giants need those victories. And Timmy will just cement his case for the cy.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
or they could have him skip a start here pretty soon, so that he ends up pitching the season finale on the 28th
The Giants could do a lot of things, probably none of them will be prudent.
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yea..
After tonight’s game I wouldn’t mind them putting an extra starter in.
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Now that he’s got the fucking shutout, can we keep him to 100 pitches a start the rest of the year?
I mean, I should have enjoyed that a lot more than I did. :\
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I concur
instead of woohoo electricity it was oh god arm ligaments stay together
by Sammy Danger on Sep 13, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he ever look tired to you?
If not, why worry?
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
lol...what?
What is wrong with it and what is a better way?
If velocity is dropping, that is an indicator you can see from watching.
If he is losing command, that is another indicator.
If he is missing up in the strike zone, that is a third.
He was doing none of those three. Well, he was starting to lose command in the ninth….but that could also have been his trying to strike every single batter out.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, you're right
from sitting on your couch watching the guy on TV you can tell if he’s tiring.
Throwing 130+ pitches at 90+ MPH is not good for your arm. Why do you need me to explain this any deeper? It is never a good idea. You can nitpick if 100 or 110 is bad, but 130 is considerably more than 100. This is how you fuck up a young pitcher’s arm, and it’s not even for a playoff push. It’s completely meaningless
Kramer was at the nexus of the universe..
he got a ride from a nice maid service owner.
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This is still theory
If pitchers were able to do it in the past, they can do it in the present. What evidence is there that Tim is unable to do this?
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
Please tell me we’re not actually having this conversation
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
This is the internet, friend, anything goes!
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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He's right.
Why can pitchers of old do it but not pitchers of now?
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Are you kidding?
There is case after case of pitcher throwing too many pitches and then never being the same 1 or 2 years later. I don’t have the time or patience tonight to go back and look up all the data, but there are a LOT of examples.
KERRY WOOD!
Yes..we know.
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What?
What is so wrong about citing an example of a young pitcher who threw a shit ton of pitches then was never the same? That’s EXACTLY what we’re talking about!
because
there happens to be quite a difference in mechanics in play.
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
by fanofvanlandingham on Sep 13, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea but..
Wood was said to have great mechanics.
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Because..
That’s one example of thousands of players.
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There a individuals that went through WWII start to end with out a scratch. Does not mean most of their unit did.
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by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
you are right
sitting on your couch you can tell the difference between 110 and 130
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
by fanofvanlandingham on Sep 13, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Rally my new daughter!
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions
I might plot Tim’s release point tomorrow, inning by inning, to see if he changed it as the game went on. He seemed to drop down a few times tonight.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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you read the Driveline Mechanics thing?
dude was saying he alters his slot a bunch
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Yeah, I glanced over the article today. I need to read it more closely.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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it's pretty awesome
That guy seems to really know his shizz.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Is it Dixieflatline that did the article? If so, that’s Josh Kalk of the PITCHf/x tool fame.
#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
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Yeah, dude does know his stuff.
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Somewhere, Ralph Barbieri is very satisfied with himself.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Z
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:50 PM PDT reply actions
yes. it in no way was accidental.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 13, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I request Dancing Goofus please. Multiple Goofi, preferably
Noonan. Nooooonan!
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, can you get some caps of the Rookie Hazing stuff?
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don’t have a my editor on this laptop. I’ll try Monday
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Goofus chewing gum and dancing at the same time?
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Yeah, sweet moves like that could really wind you.
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That's dangerous...
Remember last time he did that? Not a good outcome..
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Grant’s nodding NO
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I enjoyed that game.
Unf unf unf.
by Bruce Jenkins's Boner on Sep 13, 2008 9:51 PM PDT reply actions
I think it is cogent to point out
That Timmy just recently threw 130 pitches in a game, as well.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
And 127.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
September and he is pitching stronger than at any point during the year.
I think he’s still strong.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...but he threw a slider
IIRC. Slider = incredily hard on the arm, especially the elbow. Fastball, Change = not too hard on the arm, especially the change. Curve, not too hard on the arm, either.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
FALSE
There is no data that shows one type of pitch is any more or less injurious to a major league pitcher. Do some research.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
False..
If a pitcher throws fastballs most of the time I’d take his chances of being healthy over a guy who throws sliders and curves all the time.
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Look at the data, WM
You taking your chances =/= data.
There hasn’t been any correlation b/t pitch types and injury made.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
There's some logical evidence behind it..
Your fastball you throw it as you can. Your offspeed stuff you actually put more effort into it so you have to use more energy to propel them and more energy to stop your arm.
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I haven't seen any evidence either way.
Although I do think it’s probably a God position. There’s no evidence out there to prove his existence, but there’s also nothing out there to disprove his existence.
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That's a whole different conversation
I personally can’t walk through a forest and then say that God doesn’t exist. Sounds like BS.
BUT we’re talking about baseball. And this discussion is old and tiresome and neither side ever concedes.
by bondslegend on Sep 13, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
so pretty much every book on teaching baseball that says not to let young people throw breaking pitches because they’re harder on the elbow/shoulder are just making shit up?
No, that's not what I'm saying
What I’m saying is that the people who have done the studies, most notably the USS MAriner guys, have found no correlation b/t pitch type and injury incidence.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
i'd have to see their data
but I’m confused as to what that even means.
There are so many different types of injuries, and so many different ways of throwing pitches, and it’s often hard to pinpoint exactly what caused the injury.
(note: I’m not saying slider/curve pitchers are more likely to get injured, I’m just saying that those particular pitches are harder on the arm)
I can't find the post right now but
I don’t get what you don’t get. The data doesn;t support any theory that the type of pitch thrown is any predictor of injury.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I do not think that's accurate
you’re going to tell me that throwing 95+ about 110 times in 2.5-3 hours is better than throwing a curveball? I don’t buy it.
by bondslegend on Sep 13, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Arm speed is similar still..
except you snap your wrist with a curve ball and grip the change up differently adding stress.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
in fact
really the point of the change is to keep your arm speed the same while reducing the velocity of the pitch
Yeah
a change is not hard on the arm at all.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 13, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely listening to the post game show tonight...
Sandoval is trying to expalain how he’s hitting the ball, he should just say “I just sweeng and heet the ball.”
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
DANCING GOOFUS!!! Please?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 9:53 PM PDT reply actions
MOAR GOOFI
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Pablo, Timmy is a good pitcher and he throws the ball good.
I love this dude.
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Game Score = 88 ?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
I wrote this this past week and I think it still stands.
If you want to defend the pitch count by stating reasons for trying to win the Cy Young Award or trying to get Linecum his first career game, I won’t stop you, but I’ll have a hard time agreeing with you. I’ve been waiting for the Giants to ease up on Lincecum for most of the year and it hasn’t happened. I much favor the long term outlook of keeping Lincecum healthy over the immediate short term rewards of a first career CG or a Cy Young Award, which even though Linecum is the best pitcher in the NL this year, he isn’t a lock to win the award.
In the Chron recap, Bochy was quoted as saying:
"He’s a human being, not a toy," Bochy said. "We can’t keep running him out there."
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Also, tonight makes Boch’s quote even more laughable.
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HOW FAR CAN HE BEND?
LETS FIND OUT
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And then he runs him out there.
BOCHY BEING BOCHY.
If Lincecum had a CGSO earlier in the year, they wouldn’t have left him in so long tonight Y/Y?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Who fucking knows, I can’t find any rhyme or reason for his usage patterns.
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He might actually be insane.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Thanks
I now have a mental image of Bochy in his office wearing a tutu while crouching on top of his desk speaking into a bannana like a telephone saying “leave him out there, he’ll be fine. Just so long as we have veterans backing him!”
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
He’s got most of the warning signs: large skull, dead fish eyes, goatee.
Yup, insane.
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No worries. No post-game wrap
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB.tv comes with Gameday Audio right? They air the wrap on GA.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
yes
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
According to ESPN, Timmy only threw 86 pitches...
…as he “breezed through 9 innings.”
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
I like this alternate reality.
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Great!
Bochy hears that, he’s pitching Timmy again on 3 days’ rest.
ESPN is filled with fucktards
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They really don't know much about the west coast, eh?
by bondslegend on Sep 13, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s only the land of New Boston
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
huh?
Lincecum (17-3) hadn’t thrown a complete game in his first 54 starts, but sailed through nine innings against the Padres, needing 138 pitches. He held the Padres to four singles and struck out 12 to win his sixth straight decision.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
They just changed it
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Kruk, urge to kill rising.
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HE REALLY MADE THE GAME HIS OWN
TOTAL GAMER CONFIDENCE WINNER AKLALKLKAENVIOANVOINIOANE
by bondslegend on Sep 13, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME DEBATE BECAUSE HE THREW SO MANY PITCHES, BUT BOCHY WAS DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON’T.
SADHKASHD
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THE THING IS IF BOCHY HAD LET TIM START THE INNING BUT TAKEN HIM OUT AFTER A BASERUNNER, NO ONE WOULD HAVE CRITICIZED HIM AAAAARGH.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I think I’ve just been grumpy for most of this baseball season, but Kruk reallllly bugs me sometimes.
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Me too. I like it better when he’s being goofy and he doesn’t start in with the TRADITIONAL OLD SCHOOL bs.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, less player stories plz.
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He does really great analysis too a lot of the time. Or he used to anyway. I’ve learned a lot about pitching strategy from him!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, he does, but like I said, maybe I’m just grumpy this season.
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Yeah
Like what to do with an open base!
Seriously, though, Kruk ain’t bad. We don’t need to complain. You can if you want but I think there are much worse things to complain about.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
IT WAS HIS GAME
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Kruk talking about Tim's ~soft smile~
Is that like calm eyes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Sorta, but calm eyes are +20 clutch and soft smile is only +4 clutch
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/rolls saving throw vs. Bochy
//doesn;t make it
///arm falls off
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I'd smile softly too if I've been throwing 95+ mph 140 times
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Kruk really likes it when somebody takes ownership of a game.
Me, I kind of think it’s selfish. Isn’t selfishness supposed to be bad in baseball?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
That's kind of what I was getting at
Kind of poorly. But still.
Seriously, I think Kruk’s gamerisms are silly. But they aren’t infuriating.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Let's ignore the 138 pitches for a split second and appreciate Tim's stellar performance
That was an awesome game.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 10:07 PM PDT reply actions
/turns off brain
It was awesome.
/licks electric outlet
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I thought you were a computer.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
DRATS
HUMANS HAVE DETECTED ME
1010010101111000
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Stupid Dalek
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I’m going to have to neutralize you.
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Agree
it was muy fun to watch. I’m glad he got the job done, but yeah.
by bondslegend on Sep 13, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am trying to.. honest.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This...
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
ROTOWORLOL--- Manager Fail
Tim Lincecum’s first career complete game was a 138-pitch shutout of the Padres on Saturday.
Lincecum is an incredible pitcher. We’re really hoping that’s still the case in a few years, but we’re becoming more skeptical every time Bud Black sends him back out for that one extra inning. Does anyone really think the NL’s ERA leader needs a confidence boost at this point? Why on earth send him back out to pitch the ninth in a 7-0 game when he’s already thrown 118 pitches? He just threw 127 pitches on Monday. He had an 132-pitch outing on Aug. 27 (and followed it up with one of his worst starts of the year). Lincecum gave up two hits in the ninth tonight, bringing the Padres’ total for the night up to four. He ended up striking out 12. It was an outstanding performance. However, it wouldn’t have been any less impressive had he left after eight.
Everybody Loves Rotoworld.
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
Yesterday's comment about Ishikawa really pissed me off
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Get your B's right
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
::runs up hill in bear costume::
::punches girl in face::
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
/punches lady in face
Is my favorite part.
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I’ll handle this one, Michael. Don’t you worry. It will take a lot more than a heart attack to kill that old bear. Old bear! He likes the honey. He never got a chance to see my bee business take off.
They don’t allow you to have bees in here.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo
Watch now.
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LOL
why is he punching women in that movie?
Because they had it coming!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo
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The Wickerman remake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
GET OFF THE BIKE.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
ALL OVER MY EYES
RAGGGGLEEEEHHHRRRR
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STEP AWAY FROM THE BIKE!
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
classic! now that put a smile back on my face.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I would totally wear the bee hat.
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I can tell you watched that movie
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
"I think I was the best player I ever saw"
Willie Mays, you ain't kidding
by CB30 on Sep 13, 2008 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
McCovey Chronicles presents: McCovey Chronicles After Dark!
A rare politically charged photoshop job that’ll be deleted before the casual readers pick over the thread tomorrow:
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
b&
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It's a drunken Friday night! All Fark-related Photoshop contest entries must go!
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Aww, man, why’d you have to go and give me nightmares.
Is this from that alien hoax video? I’m creeped to the max.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6sTOUPk90w
Enjoy the hilarity.
Or scariness.
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Also: SHE KNOWS TEH ENERGY
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I facepalm’d IRL.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
This election is going to depress the hell out of me. I can just feel it.
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I’m optimistic, which means it’s only going to hurt worse.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
That will make it your fault.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
I see what you did there
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see any lipstick
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think my roommate thinks I’m insane.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I can’t stop laughing at it either.
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That one got me for, like, an hour. I don’t know why, but I’m pretty sure that’s the Mona Lisa of the internet age.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s truly a masterpiece. Every time I scroll past it, it gets me.
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It’s seriously amazing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
My favorite forever (I think the thread is too skinny now)
http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2008/03/obamacampaignholyshit.jpg
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
his font got serifs or something goddamn…
…exactly.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I could have used four more pages of that!
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That one might be a little obscure, on second thought….
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Simpsons when Homer goes to NY and gets booted?
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Now, I’ll butcher a Simpsons quote….
Messing up Simpsons quotes = nerd rage
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LOLOLOL
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I NO LONGER FEEL COMFORTABLE ON THIS INTERNET WEBSITE
SINCERELY JUDY STEFFES
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
Another high quality gameday thread.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Timmy brings it out in people
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 13, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m looking forward to playing it!
Zombies = yes
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What are you playing it on? PC or 360?
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I’ll be picking it up for the 360. I need to buy the 360 wifi thingy, I had to move my router downstairs and I can no longer reach it with my 360.
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They just price dropped them!
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I’d invite you over, but you kind of creep me out.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I come over?
Because I creep everybody the same, and it’s something that I can fix if they let me fix it.
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You’re fixed?
Well, then, by all means….
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s why I needed the enhancing so bad :(
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Despite recent tough dominance by the green AL in the yellow All-Star game and inter-league play, the nice NL won the World Series last year as well as in three of the past six seasons and two of the past four. Rajai Davis has the electric tall lid from last year.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I am intrigued.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
2008 Season in Summary: We haven't had a twenty-first baseman all year. How did that happen? Silly. It's almos.
by Zetsuboushita on Sep 13, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
and apparently Sarah Palin is playing the “maverick” in this election.
by i wish we were good on Sep 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah. All-time obvious casting choices:
1. Danny DeVito as The Penguin
2. Tina Fey as Sarah Palin
3. Barry Zito as Eternal A’s-Fan Guffah Attractor
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 13, 2008 10:57 PM PDT reply actions
The guy in the middle
looks like he’s booing.
I think he’s really saying “Boo-uincecum.”
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Terrible…or awesome?
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
Looks like Timmy Day caused a lot of excitement
I just hope the overnight cleaning crew can mop up all of the Bruce Jenkins mess in time for tomorrow’s gameday thread.
by rightcenterfielder on Sep 13, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions
Just remember
if you’re still around in 4 hours, seek medical attention
by rightcenterfielder on Sep 13, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
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