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There's a huge and interesting profile on Barry Zito in the New York Times right now. I started to get fired up at this:
I hope They never come around here. They sound like jerks.
But Dave Righetti had our backs with this:
Really, if Zito becomes a league-average, 4.30 ERA guy, he'll be cheered. As long as he's one of the worse pitchers in the league, though, the fans will boo the front office. I don't know of anyone who is booing Barry Zito, the human; I only know of people booing Barry Zito, the bad decision.
It's an interesting article. It does have a downside, though, as it makes you actually think about Barry Zito's contract.
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So emo

#1 JUDY STEFFES FAN
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Sep 13, 2008 10:38 AM PDT 0 recs
BE QUIET THEY’RE IN AN IMPORTANT MEETING!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Also… this is totally worthy of a caption contest.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand… CURVE!
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on
Sep 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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nice
your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid
by Lyle on
Sep 13, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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The perspective on the wall behind him is FREAKING ME OUT.
by satyricrash on
Sep 13, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
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“I…I…can’t do that, Seams. I’m no killer. But, what is evil? Is evil just a construct? Nietzsche said that evil is the struggle between slave morality and master morality. I’m not sure if I believe that.”
* listens intently *
“Well, I understand that. But that also fits into your whole theory about dolphins and opposable thumbs. Maybe we’re not doomed, you know?”
* listens intently *
“Again with Foucault. You can’t just avoid hermeneutics entirely, you know.”
* listens intently *
“Oh, Seams. I wish I could share you with the world. I wish society would understand us.”
by Grant on
Sep 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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It’s no fun to have caption contests if you’re just going to win them all.
by Dan from NM on
Sep 13, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
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"FEAR ME BALL!!!
For I will rear back and throw you at 83 miles per hour. Yes, I am become death, destroyer of worlds. FEAR ME.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on
Sep 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
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Woody is that you?
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by daveinexile on
Sep 13, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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“It’s almost like this is some kind of…ball or something.”
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
2008 Season in Summary: We haven't had a twenty-first baseman all year. How did that happen? Silly. It's almos.
by Zetsuboushita on
Sep 13, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
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Baseball shot first! Don’t believe the digitally “enhanced” special editions!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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If Zito really gave a crap he would hire Rick Peterson as a freelance trainer.
by rotorueter on Sep 13, 2008 11:04 AM PDT 0 recs
?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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Maybe Zito was slow to make mechanical adjustments because of all that new agey Power of Positive Thinking stuff.
Just a thought.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2008 11:17 AM PDT 0 recs
After Zito signed with San Francisco, he ran into an old teammate who was out of baseball and in Los Angeles, where Zito lives in the off-season. Zito took him to dinner at an expensive restaurant, then to a popular nightclub and then back to his home, where they were joined by a couple of other friends. Zito showed him his BlackBerry, with all his text messages from famous actors, actresses and musicians. "Not to brag," Zito said. "Just to share my blessings with him. I told him, ‘I love ya, man.’ " The former teammate stood up and said, "Dude, I’m outta here," and left. A few days later, a mutual friend told Zito that the teammate said Zito was showing off, "to stuff it down my throat, like, ‘I get it, dude, you’re this big fancy dude.’ "
Zito had been staring down at the table as he told me this. Now he looked up. "But I was the same kid I always was," he said. "My having money now threatened him. It was his perception, not who I was."
His perception was that you’re a douche. Mine kinda is too.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2008 11:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Yeah, I’d probably be put off by that too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on
Sep 13, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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My perception of Zito the entire article is that he’s a gigantic douche.
Make me proud again Hen
by AndYourBirdCanSing on
Sep 13, 2008 11:35 AM PDT
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OJ speaks the truth
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on
Sep 13, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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Yeah
There’s been a lot of evidence mounting lately that Zito is really into himself.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on
Sep 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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My impression...
is that you’re reading a quote entirely out of context about an incident you didn’t witness. My perception is you have absolutely nothing upon which to base such an opinion. Unless, of course, you’re just plain old jealous.
Hum-baby!
by Danger on
Sep 13, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
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So, in what context would those quotes be okay?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on
Sep 13, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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Yep. That’s it. We are all jealous for some reason.
by chilibean_3 on
Sep 13, 2008 6:59 PM PDT
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what was the context? Did I miss something? As far as I can tell, I quoted the quote and I quoted the context.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on
Sep 14, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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Great story. It’s nice to see a national reporter get beyond the Surfer Dude cliche.
When I was 11 or so, my mom started going to the same church and reading the same books that Zito mentions. So I know what’s it like to try to apply that stuff to your life, your sporting life in particular, at a young age. In the end, that stuff wasn’t really for me, though I suppose some of it’s still bouncing around my head.
by Dan from NM on Sep 13, 2008 11:31 AM PDT 0 recs
Quotes that made me sick
"It’s the people around me who’ve changed," he said. "I can count my friends on one hand."
WAAAAAAAH
After Zito signed with San Francisco, he ran into an old teammate who was out of baseball and in Los Angeles, where Zito lives in the off-season. Zito took him to dinner at an expensive restaurant, then to a popular nightclub and then back to his home, where they were joined by a couple of other friends. Zito showed him his BlackBerry, with all his text messages from famous actors, actresses and musicians. "Not to brag," Zito said. "Just to share my blessings with him. I told him, ‘I love ya, man.’ " The former teammate stood up and said, "Dude, I’m outta here," and left. A few days later, a mutual friend told Zito that the teammate said Zito was showing off, "to stuff it down my throat, like, ‘I get it, dude, you’re this big fancy dude.’ "
Zito had been staring down at the table as he told me this. Now he looked up. "But I was the same kid I always was," he said. "My having money now threatened him. It was his perception, not who I was."
Or, you know, this guy was pissed because you were obviously being a jerk. Also, WAAAAAAAAAH.
He told the magazine FHM that when he went out chasing girls he brought along a "wingman," because, he said, "if I’m talking to a 9, but she’s hanging out with a 2," the wingman had to flirt with the 2 no matter "how big or ugly she is."
Wait… this article wants to make you seem like you’re NOT a jerk, right? Right? What the hell? There are five more pages of this?
I didn’t have a girlfriend until I was 21. I was this 5-7 pudgy kid in high school. . . . I wasn’t a popular kid. I was an outcast. The popular kids weren’t accepting of us. We’d go to these parties, and the popular kids were hanging with the pretty girls while we hung in the back and left after 20 minutes. No one wanted us to be there." Zito said the first two girls he ever really dated were soccer players, because he felt that "athletic girls would understand the mind-set of an athlete"
WAAAAAAAAH
He began to incorporate his parents’ New Age theories, this "pretty deep stuff," into the narrative he had been creating about himself: he was not going to be "some stereotypical ballplayer that has no interests, really — no life, no depth, no intelligence." He began to talk to his teammates, the media, fans, everyone, in a kind of New Age psychobabble not often heard in a baseball clubhouse. He said he believed in spiritual rebirth, which was why he wanted to experience "how cool death is." He put a sign on his truck: "Normal People Worry Me."
So what, now you’re not a jocky, chauvanistic jerk, you’re just a weirdo jerk? And a weirdo jerk who looks down on his peers and mocks people who don’t subscribe to your weirdo jerk lifestyle?
I wasn’t a blue-collar Oakland guy anymore.
I was a white-collar guy on a white-collar team in a white-collar city.
Oh, fuck you.
"It’s a struggle for someone who’s super-aware, like me. It would be a blessing to be a typical jock."
So back to insulting your peers?
But at 30, that "free-spirited kid" is gone forever. Zito said: "I can’t trust people anymore."
WAAAAAAAAAH
I went to the players’ clubhouse to wait for Zito. A few younger players were laughing, shouting, playing noisy video games on TV: car chases, shoot’em-ups… Then he glanced toward the players with the loud video games. He frowned and said, "Excuse me." He went over to the TV and lowered the sound without a word. The young players said nothing. Zito came back to his locker. "What was I saying?" he said, then continued.
So you’re a jerk to your teammates, too? If you want a quieter interview, why don’t you GO somewhere quieter???
There’s more.. but… I’ve gone on too long already.
Shit, I don’t really like this guy. Granted, this doesn’t tell me very much about his actual personality, but it doesn’t help. But the pitching is bad, and he seems like a jerk and I’ve never seen anything to make me think he’s not a jerk. The charity work is good, at least. He does do charity work, right?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT 0 recs
Seriously he seems like a massive delusional douchebag.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on
Sep 13, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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Is it wrong that I want Zito to fail, now?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on
Sep 13, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
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Survey says: 92 points for “No”
There are also 3 points for “Nope,” for what it’s worth.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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Hehe, that reminds me: anybody else see this?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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And check out the source code while you’re in that site, too.
< script type=“text/javascript” >
if (!(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined")) {
document.write(“YUP.”)
It makes me giggly.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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haha
by Viliphied on
Sep 13, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
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NERD!
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on
Sep 13, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
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It's an interesting article for sure, but
before I just disliked Zito the pitcher. Now I dislike Zito the person. Yep, I’ll be booing both the bad decision and the human now.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT 0 recs
remember when he put up 38 against Utah in the Finals even tho he had the flu?!?!?!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on
Sep 13, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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It’s an interesting article. It does have a downside, though, as it makes you actually think about Barry Zito’s contract.
Fixed it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2008 12:05 PM PDT 0 recs
I feel rally bad for the guy, and before you say “WAAAA, HE’S GOT 126 MILLION REASONS NOT TO BE UNHAPPY”, I totally hear what he’s trying to say, that he thought that being a great ballplayer would make him happy -wrong, that people in the “real world” don’t take sports seriously. He thought that signing a contract for a ton of dough would make him happy – wrong, as it happens (and i have seen it first hand), people DO start treating you differently, because they don;t know how to deal with your new found wealth, and ultimately you (the new rich guy) don’t know how to deal with it either. There is no primer for suddenly finding great wealth, other than the bad examples we see of it in the media. And even if you try to be the same dude as you were before, you best friend will be all “that rich asshole”, when nothing has changed but the zeros on your paycheck. I feel bad for the guy in that regard, and I feel bad that he lets this shit effect his head SO DAMN MUCH that he cannot do his job anymore. Oh, irony. I don’t think that there isn’t a Giants fan out there that doesn’t want to see Barry return to his 2002 type form, but (After-School Special Alert) if he doesn’t believe in himself and disregard all of the self-pitying bullshit I read wrapped up in quotes, he never will.
Bla bla bla
by satyricrash on Sep 13, 2008 12:07 PM PDT 0 recs
I hear that’s close to Russia
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on
Sep 13, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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No, you should be the VP.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Sep 13, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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just slap some lip stick on it.
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by daveinexile on
Sep 13, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
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I actually agree
people are all under the delusion that anyone who’s rich doesn’t have any right to complain- that’s just completely untrue and unfair. If anything, their lives are MORE fucked up than many people who don’t have a lot of money. If I had to choose between being a 20 year-old broke dude or a 30 year-old barry zito, I’d take my current situation. Money isn’t worth it when you really think about it.
by bondslegend on
Sep 13, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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That's only cus Zito sucks.
I’d rather be a 25 year old David Wright than a 21 year old broke dude.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on
Sep 13, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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I'd rather be Barry Zito than you
no offense intended.
Let’s see, 20 year old on the internet vs. Cy Young winner, financially set for life, dates movie stars, knows how to play guitar, another guaranteed 90 million coming in the next 5 years and the potential to be a great pitcher again.
A note about the $$$. Being rich will never make you happy, but it can make you much more comfortable and here is the real key: it makes you much more effective when it comes to helping other people. It’s difficult to help when you have very little to spare, but when that little becomes millions, you are taken more seriously by other people, and can even do things alone.
by positiveuphemism on
Sep 13, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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Maybe
and no offense taken- I don’t want others to be me, b/c then I wouldn’t be me. Also I can play the guitar, so I’ve got that on him!
It’s true that money helps you help others, but it just seems like rich people are very rarely happy. It may be better to be a ballplayer, where you’re not quite so famous, but it would totally suck IMHO to not be able to walk down the street without everyone freaking out. You couldn’t even have a normal conversation with people, because they’re so star struck and expecting a demi-god-like figure or something.
IDK it just seems like the bad outweighs the good to me. Not that I wouldn’t take a big inheritance or something, but money isn’t the goal of my life- I want to enjoy life, and that’s very possible to do without a ton of cash. And it’s not like you have to be rich to help others, either. You can do a lot of good without having your own wealth.
by bondslegend on
Sep 13, 2008 7:42 PM PDT
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I don’t feel sorry for him simply because he appears to be doing enough of that for the both of us.
There’s “having a hard time because of your money/etc” and there’s “thinking you’re better than everyone and everyone hates you because you’re better than them.” This article really positions Zito in the second group. I have no sympathy for that.
It always comes with the disclaimer that I can’t judge the person Barry Zito based on 1000+ words of NYT filler, but I don’t feel sorry for anything that the Barry Zito in this article represents. The Barry Zito in this article is an asshole.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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A Flakey MLB lefty. Who would have thought it? Right now he is of the unamusing Flaky MLB lefty bred. So what? Nice to see an article that isn’t a straight hit piece about a Giants Vet. . Refreshing after a The Barry Era.
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by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 12:12 PM PDT 0 recs
refreshing?
They just feel sorry for him because he sucks. Well, and he’s white.
by wcw on
Sep 13, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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teh refreshing part was the article was not a straight out hit piece.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Sep 13, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
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It is kind of a sideways hit piece, isn’t it?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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Its not flattering that’s for sure. But it lacks the amount of Venom for me to call it a hit piece.
In a way it’s a good example why some players just don’t talk much to the media. If he Zito is not so open with the guy a lot of that stuff isn’t in the paper or get automatically put into rumor but with some truth category.
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by daveinexile on
Sep 13, 2008 12:32 PM PDT
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Lessons from this article
1. I really like Dave Righetti.
2. I get the feeling that Zito thinks he gets booed because people are jealous of his dollars. While that’s certainly true for some people, it’s not true for everyone. Zito claims that he’s the same person as he was, so he should be treated the same by everyone. But that’s not really true from a personal, professional or athletic perspective. THE TRUTH IS THAT MONEY CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. It changes your relations to organization that gives you the money, it changes the expectations of the fans, who now rightly see you as both a ballplayer and $126 million dollar opportunity cost. The idea that this complete remaking of your relations with you fans and workplace could leave your personality unaltered is completely unreasonable. Yet, I think Barry Zito, for some reason, expected just that.
I can feel sorry for Zito’s inability to comprehend how he was changing his life when he signed that contract, but I can’t help but see that a lot of his hubris went into this fall.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2008 12:35 PM PDT 0 recs
you like Dave Righetti too? <3
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by oldjacket on
Sep 13, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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I knew I couldn’t be the only one!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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I though Rags’ comment re: the booing were it to be New York was spot on, from a guy who knows firsthand. I’m not really sure what a pitching coach at this level does, and I’m not sure if Dave Righetti is good at what I’m not sure of, but I have almost always liked him.
by satyricrash on
Sep 13, 2008 12:50 PM PDT
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Only 826 games until the end of Zito’s contract.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 13, 2008 12:41 PM PDT 0 recs
Unlike Barry Zito’s friends, I can’t count that number on one hand.
(I hope this article inspires at least five different Zito mocking memes that eventually die slow, agonizing meme deaths)
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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I hope it inspires 109 Zito mocking memes.
sorry.
by Viliphied on
Sep 13, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
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He’ll be quirky, alright.
He’ll be quirky?
He’llbuquerque? OH MY GOD!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 13, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
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so wrong it’s right.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Sep 13, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
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Hell be quirky?
That’s not the way most people think of hell. Unless you mean that hell is where Eric Byrnes lives? In that case, it’s exactly how hell is thought to be like.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
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Sep 13, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
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Oh, so hard to resist. Mesquite-grilled onions. Jalapeño relish. … Wait a minute, those are Southwestern ingredients. … Mango-lime salsa? That’s the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in … Albuquerque!
by Natto on
Sep 13, 2008 12:47 PM PDT
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Man, an Isotope Dog Supreme sounds pretty good right about now.
by Natto on
Sep 13, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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I see Bags posted which rookies wore what customs.
Can’t picture Pablo in the maid outfit but Vivia Nacho Libre!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 1:06 PM PDT 0 recs
Saw that..
I’m not so sure I like Gillaspie much anymore..all based upon not very hard evidence…
1. Only will sign a contract if he’s brought up by the end of the season. Seems to think he’s too good for what he got so he needs some extra.
2. Not happy to be in his rookie hazing costume. You gotta put up with it and have some fun man.
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on
Sep 13, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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a couple mornings ago, i think it was Final Score, had pics of Gillaspie in the Scooby outfit. I’ve seen happier wet cats.
Not real impressive for a guy that has achieved nothing yet on the mLb level. Nor much as a pro period.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
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