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minor lines, 9/11/08

AAA: Fresno completed its season on September 1st

AA: Connecticut completed its season on September 1st

A+: San Jose lost in the divisional championship series on September 10th

A-: Augusta defeated West Virginia 4-3
(sweeping the SAL best-of-five championship series)

Augusta: CF Shane Jordan: 1 for 4, BB
Augusta: 2B Nick Noonan: 2 for 5
Augusta: 1B Angel Villalona: 0 for 4, 3 SO, E
Augusta: DH Thomas Neal: 0 for 2, 2 BB
Augusta: 3B Andrew Davis: 1 for 3, BB, SO
West Virginia: 3 for 4, 3B, SO
West Virginia: 1 for 4, HR, GiDP

Augusta: LHP Scott Barnes: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 2 PO
Augusta: RHP David Mixo: 1.0 IP
Augusta: LHP Andy De La Garza: 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 K

Noonan had two of the GreenJackets' five hits, including a two-out, two-RBI single in the 4th inning, as the first batter facing the second of three Power relievers.  Noonan had a post-season AVG of .333, easily the best on the team (next best were .250 and .222).  Jordan, Neal and Davis also reached base twice, although all of them finished with post-season AVGs well below the Mendoza line (.167, .143 and .154).  Villalona suffered the oh-fer with the hat trick but still finished the post-season with an AVG above .200.  For the Brewers' affiliate, Wilson, a 28th round draft pick a year ago out of Harvard, had three hits, while the young Gindl connected for his only post-season HR.  They were among five Power hitters in last night's lineup who finished their post-season with AVGs above .300.

On his 21st birthday, Barnes won his second post-season start.  The three walks was a season high for him, but two of those walks went to the Power's leadoff hitter, whom Barnes picked off both times.  The homer was the first he had allowed as a pro (43.2 IP during the regular season).  Mixon pitched a perfect 7th inning.  De La Garza allowed a run after a triple to lead off the 9th inning, but the tying run never reached base as he had his 3rd post-season save.

ssA: Salem-Keizer lost the NWL championship series on September 7th

R: Giants won NWL championship game on August 31st

DSL: Giants lost DSL championship series on September 5th

Below is a list of the pitchers who had at least 55.0 IP with a full-season affiliate this year.  There were 41 such pitchers, with one (Snyder) reaching 55.0 IP for two different affiliates.

Fresno (11):
4.18 ERA, 1.48 WHIP and 143 K in 142.0 IP (26/25 G/GS) by Matt Palmer
6.38 ERA, 1.67 WHIP and 107 K in 139.2 IP (29/27 G/GS) by Victor Santos
4.83 ERA, 1.47 WHIP and 69 K in 132.1 IP (21/21 G/GS) by Brad Hennessey
5.70 ERA, 1.61 WHIP and 86 K in 101.0 IP (19/19 G/GS) by Nick Pereira
5.38 ERA, 1.47 WHIP and 56 K in 87.0 IP (20/13 G/GS) by Pat Misch
4.80 ERA, 1.56 WHIP and 72 K in 80.2 IP (31/11 G/GS) by Ryan Sadowski
6.08 ERA, 1.62 WHIP and 54 K in 66.2 IP (13/12 G/GS) by Steve Hammond
3.39 ERA, 1.34 WHIP and 46 K in 66.1 IP (37/4 G/GS) by Erick Threets
3.96 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and 46 K in 63.2 IP (41/0 G/GS) by Randy Messenger
5.69 ERA, 1.49 WHIP and 39 K in 61.2 IP (25/6 G/GS) by Julio Mateo
2.66 ERA, 1.10 WHIP and 48 K in 61.0 IP (38/0 G/GS) by Geno Espineli

Connecticut (12):
3.78 ERA, 1.36 WHIP and 99 K in 157.0 IP (28/28 G/GS) by Garrett Broshuis
2.49 ERA, 1.14 WHIP and 112 K in 148.0 IP (27/27 G/GS) by Joseph Martinez
3.76 ERA, 1.44 WHIP and 73 K in 138.2 IP (32/23 G/GS) by Adam Cowart
4.57 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and 74 K in 124.0 IP (28/22 G/GS) by Dave McKae
3.10 ERA, 1.43 WHIP and 47 K in 72.2 IP (46/0 G/GS) by Ronnie Ray
1.37 ERA, 0.94 WHIP and 74 K in 65.2 IP (43/0 G/GS) by Justin Hedrick
3.38 ERA, 1.30 WHIP and 70 K in 64.0 IP (44/0 G/GS) by Jason Waddell
5.98 ERA, 1.62 WHIP and 44 K in 61.2 IP (13/12 G/GS) by Ben Snyder
2.48 ERA, 1.33 WHIP and 62 K in 61.2 IP (46/0 G/GS) by Kelvin Pichardo
1.84 ERA, 0.95 WHIP and 22 K in 58.2 IP (18/8 G/GS) by Brooks McNiven
2.64 ERA, 1.19 WHIP and 28 K in 58.0 IP (17/10 G/GS) by Nate Bump
4.58 ERA, 1.46 WHIP and 45 K in 57.0 IP (19/8 G/GS) by Paul Oseguera

San Jose (11):
2.79 ERA, 1.09 WHIP and 124 K in 145.1 IP (26/26 G/GS) by Tim Alderson
3.19 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 135 K in 135.1 IP (26/26 G/GS) by Jesse English
3.02 ERA, 1.13 WHIP and 102 K in 125.1 IP (24/24 G/GS) by Kevin Pucetas
3.69 ERA, 1.39 WHIP and 84 K in 117.0 IP (24/24 G/GS) by Clayton Tanner
2.00 ERA, 1.13 WHIP and 73 K in 85.2 IP (15/14 G/GS) by Ben Snyder
3.36 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and 77 K in 77.2 IP (40/0 G/GS) by Steve Edlefsen
3.39 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 74 K in 71.2 IP (46/0 G/GS) by Taylor Wilding
3.28 ERA, 1.29 WHIP and 51 K in 60.1 IP (33/0 G/GS) by Dan Griffin
1.53 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 49 K in 59.0 IP (43/0 G/GS) by Juan Trinidad
4.88 ERA, 1.56 WHIP and 59 K in 59.0 IP (42/0 G/GS) by Craig Whitaker
4.31 ERA, 1.42 WHIP and 58 K in 56.1 IP (12/12 G/GS) by Henry Sosa

Augusta (8):
1.46 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and 164 K in 141.2 IP (24/24 G/GS) by Madison Bumgarner
3.77 ERA, 1.19 WHIP and 95 K in 136.0 IP (24/22 G/GS) by Oliver Odle
3.51 ERA, 1.03 WHIP and 111 K in 115.1 IP (23/21 G/GS) by Craig Clark
2.95 ERA, 1.17 WHIP and 72 K in 113.0 IP (23/21 G/GS) by T.J. Brewer
1.55 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and 92 K in 104.2 IP (21/13 G/GS) by Daryl Maday
3.33 ERA, 0.98 WHIP and 79 K in 78.1 IP (53/0 G/GS) by Andrew De La Garza
2.93 ERA, 1.34 WHIP and 45 K in 67.2 IP (13/12 G/GS) by Chance Corgan
3.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP and 48 K in 62.2 IP (40/0 G/GS) by Daniel Turpen

Observations/comments:
a) Would the ERA suggest that Threets is still one of the top three pitching prospects on Fresno's roster?
b) How tough is it to distinguish among Palmer, Hennessey, Pereira and Misch as prospects (although they don't actually all qualify as prospects)?
c) Very solid seasons by Joe Martinez and Justin Hedrick, as well as Ray in the second half.
d) How do Broshuis and Cowart compare as prospects?
e) A great year for the San Jose rotation, led by Alderson.  They were even better than the bullpen for the most part.
f) How do English and Pucetas compare as prospects?
g) Very nice ERAs in Augusta, and they in fact led all minor league baseball in ERA.
h) How do Clark, Brewer, Maday and Corgan compare as prospects?
i) The only pitchers with a K/IP above 1.00 (min 55 IP) were Palmer, Hedrick, Wilding, Bumgarner and three others who barely eclipsed the mark--Waddell, Sosa and De La Garza. 
j) Hedrick, Bumgarner and De La Garza were also the only three pitchers with a WHIP below 1.00 (min 55 IP).  (McNiven and Maday both have WHIPs above 1.00 when you include their stints with all affiliates this year.)

Thanks to everyone for their kind comments.  It was another long season.  Thanks to Baron and Brute for filling in this year a few times.  That really helped to give me a break a few times.  Maybe we'll pick this back up with fall/winter lines from Arizona and Hawaii, although I know that was only a partial success last year.

I probably owe an updated version of my Future Forty list, but I haven't given that too much thought yet.  I don't yet see a lot of changes from my previous edition, although Posey moves in and Schierholtz no longer qualifies.  There are quite a few pitchers, who absent any recent scouting report, I could see them being listed anywhere from #25 to #50 very easily.

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Congrats to the Greenjackets!

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Sep 12, 2008 10:56 AM PDT   0 recs

I see Ballatore Gran Spumante in there.

Nothing but the best for our youngters!!!

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Sep 12, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Spraying Angel with bubbly…scandal!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 12, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Call CPS

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Sep 12, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

looks like there’s a Coors Light in there too.

I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by Takimoto on Sep 15, 2008 12:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

d) I still like Cowart as a middle reliever, and I think he could reach that ceiling. I’d take him over Garrett.

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by xanthan on Sep 12, 2008 11:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Yeah, I’d take anybody over howtheyscored.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Sep 12, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

3rd best poster

Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.

by EliminateMe on Sep 12, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

…to have signed up for the site on 4/2/05…

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I see Project Echelon is still up and running….

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 13, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I reckon if a pitcher doesn’t dominate in conn., then that’s a mark against him.

Maybe we can get some bullpen help out of that AA squad next year, but I don’t see any mlb starters in that group. (Maybe Joey-Joe-Joe as a number 5, but that’s it).

Hasn’t English been around forever?

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 12, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Joey did it outside the home park, too

If anything, he might have been slightly better away.
away, 80.1 IP, 6.4% BB, 19.6% K, 54% GB, 2.46 ERA
home, 67.2 IP, 5.6% BB, 16.8% K, 60% GB, 2.66 ERA

That 2.46 away ERA puts him at the same position (2nd) in the league that his overall does.

I agree that his upside is end rotation or long relief, but before this year, I thought he’d never even sniff the majors. After this year, even at age 25 in double A, I think he has a shot.

by wcw on Sep 13, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As I recall, the Eastern league is a pitcher’s league and that park only the most extreme pitcher’s park in the league. But hey. It was a good season. If he can get some PCL hitters out, he’s worth a shot.

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 17, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

a) If it does, that’s more of a statement about Fresno’s pitching than about Threets.

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by groug on Sep 12, 2008 12:09 PM PDT   0 recs

I’ll be happy to lend a hand for HWB/AFL minor lines if you decide to do them, Steve.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 12, 2008 1:19 PM PDT   0 recs

Count me in...

…but you still aren’t getting an expense account to cover the HWB, Baron. ;)

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by BruteSentiment on Sep 12, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You never let me have no fun. :(

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 12, 2008 4:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maday

Personally, I think Daryl has really emerged as a prospect. For his time in Augusta, he had numbers around MadBum’s…albeit, less impressive as he turned 23 late in the season, but still, hard to ignore. Add in his numbers at San Jose (2.05 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 27 K in 22 IP, 4 G/4 GS), and the performance looks even better. Not bad for a 30th round pick. The only question for me is, where will he be next year: SJ or Connecticut?

Another question: how to judge Scott Barnes? The 2008 pick (turned 21 a few days ago, on his first playoff start) had a 2.06 ERA, 0.82 WHIP and 63 K’s in 43 2/3 innings overall between the AZL, NWL and SAL. In Augusta, six regular season starts, he had a 1.38 ERA, 0.67 WHIP and 41 strikeouts in 32 2/3 innings. Even without a read on his stuff, it’s hard not to look at him as one of the quality picks of the draft, at least on first, sample-sized impression.

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by BruteSentiment on Sep 12, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

no harm in promoting guys like Barnes aggressively. If he continues to dominate, then we’ve got another late round steal. If, he can’t hack it at higher levels, then what have we lost?

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Barnes isn’t exactly too old relative to league though.

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by jponry on Sep 12, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought he was old for AZL and NWL, or am I wrong about that?

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 12, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If 20 is old for the NWL...

…we’re doing this wrong.

The NWL is the common place for most college juniors and seniors to end up…at what point is 20 old and not right in the middle of the mean?

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by BruteSentiment on Sep 12, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ah.

Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.

by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s your old jacket that’s confusing you.

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 13, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Barnes looks like a pretty exciting pick at this point. I’d probably send him to San Jose.

by Dan from NM on Sep 12, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Its hard to say, since so many of San Jose’s current staff will be going to AA, and there may not be much space in the rotation. He’s already pitched a little in AA, and doesn’t seem to have all that much to prove in A ball, so he should probably be in AA as well. If he starts at SJ and does well there, that doesn’t tell us much more than what we already know: we need to see what he can do at higher levels. If he struggles in a minor way, or does average in SJ, he likely goes to AA the year after anyway. If they don’t send him to AA it seems like it would be a delay without much to gain in doing so, though starting him at SJ with the intent on moving him up soon if he does well seems alright.

Barnes has pretty good stuff. We discussed him some a few weeks back, and it appears he is throwing harder than his draft time scouting report said (I forget the exact numbers). In any case, he’s definitely intriguing.

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by haverecords on Sep 13, 2008 1:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

2009 SJ Starting Rotation thoughts

1. Mad Bum – don’t really see him skipping A+. At his age, there’s no need to rush him.
2. Barnes – wouldn’t be surpised if he skipped A+, but he should at least start the season in SJ.
3. Maday – He struggled in Connecticut, but will probably get another look there next year as well.
4/5. Odle/Corgan/Clark – all seem to be fairly solid and worthy of promotions. Wouldn’t be surprised to Clark go to AA.

Some guys going to AA -

Sosa was hurt most of the year, so he didn’t get an extended look, though he’s been around awhile and if he’s healthy, he probably would go to AA. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up as a reliever, though.

Tanner had some struggles this year, and some injury issues, but he did end on a good note in August. He was on the younger side in A+ but fared alright. He should probably both get to go to AA, also.

English really seemed to tire towards the end of hte season, but he threw more this year than in a long time. Hopefully, he can stay healthy and keep moving up the ladder.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 12, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

I’m in complete agreement on the San Jose starters next year. As said above, perhaps Maday gets promoted to AA instead, mostly because of his age, but that would probably be okay too – especially if the organization really want to get Odle, Corgan, and Clark all in the SJ rotation.

your 2008 SF Giants: this isn’t totally insane, just really stupid

by Lyle on Sep 13, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Martinez

Several years ago I posted about Joey, who by chance ended up giving some ptiching lessons to my son at a local gym. I had a chance to watch one of his workouts and talk a bit with him. At the time, I said I saw his ceiling as a Hennessey-like fifth starter although I saw the odds against him making it all the way to SF. His biggest plus in my mind was his obvious attention to the mental side of the game and his choice of Greg Maddux as his model. All he has done since is pitch well at every level. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him do the same again next year at Fresno. I love Broshuis’ blog but I can’t see him surviving AAA if they promote him — his close friend Chris Begg got released this year and I suspect the same will happen to Garrett in 2009.

by NearestNorwich on Sep 13, 2008 8:40 AM PDT   0 recs

Martinez could very well be one of those pitchers who, without the fanfare, succeeds at each level and before you know it is a MLer. Continued success, kid.

by wilriv21 on Sep 15, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chance Corgan

do want. He’s got some pretty interesting mechanics, when i saw his draft video and could maybe increase his velocity just a tad. good slider from what i saw, too. I’d like to see him get some aggressive promotions.

It seems like A+ is a huge make/break year for giants prospects. Most who push past it do fine, but a ton stall there.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 16, 2008 11:48 PM PDT   0 recs

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