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From Rotoworld:

Matt Cain was tagged for six runs in 3 1/3 innings by the Padres in a loss on Thursday.

Stick a fork in him. After the rest of the Giants put up a great fight against the Diamondbacks over the previous three days, Cain came out tonight and gave the team no real chance of winning. He must be hurting, because the alternative is worse."

Weirdest Rotoworld quote ever. I know that Cain has struggled over his past three starts, but what in the hell does, "He must be hurting, because the alternative is worse" mean?

Cain doesn't lactate quality starts like Tim Lincecum. We get it. Cain is probably a little tired. But, good gravy, have a little perspective. Pitchers will have back-to-back-to-back poor outings. Don't get all Dylan McKay on us, Rotoworld. Don't jump on your hog and withdraw from society because all is lost. It isn't quite time to say, "Gee, I hope he's hurt, otherwise, he just stinks now! Trade him for Shane Reynolds in your keeper league if you can."

It's time to monitor Cain closely. Don't let him suffer for inning after inning if he's struggling, and don't let him throw 130 pitches the next time he has a good game. It would be a good idea to ease him out of the season. But am I the only one who isn't freaking out about Matt Cain?

Though, if he continues to struggle, we might have to include an additional prospect in the Fielder trade.

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Are you worried about Cain?
Yep. His fastball doesn't have the same zip, his change up is sloppy, and his mental toughness is giving way to a Jan Brady-complex
60 votes
A little. But I worry about all young pitchers who throw a ton of pitches over a season.
183 votes
Not at all. The dude's 23. Twenty-freaking-three. If he were a Red Sox prospect in AA, he'd have a .82 ERA, and the media would be giving him backrubs upon request.
219 votes

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And if I receive a certain amount of Buzzes, I get 10% at Outback.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 10:40 AM PDT   0 recs

10% of...

total caloric intake of a normal meal at Outback? Still enough to feed a family of four.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 12, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea who Dylan McKay is but I’m buzzing this post anyways!

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by xanthan on Sep 12, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WTF? You cannot be serious.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just googled it and I still didn’t know.

I’ve never seen 90210. Your pop culture references are wasted on me!

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by xanthan on Sep 12, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't know who he was either

We’re not all Luke Perryheads like you are, Grant.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Sep 12, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

She was killed by her own father, guys. And they were trying to kill Dylan. You can’t respect that kind of pain? You guys are heartless dicks.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm With Ya

Long live the Dylan McKay and Luke Perry references. Next time you could go with a reference to him in Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.

by thecrippesking on Sep 12, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or 7 Seconds or whatever that god awful bull riding movie was…..not that I saw it…um…nevermind.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 12, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

8 Seconds?

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 12, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

8 Seconds is correct.

"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.

by thecrippesking on Sep 12, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Went over my head too.

Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.

by EliminateMe on Sep 12, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I always thought that the hole thing was kind of a Godfather I ripoff.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 12, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hole = whole

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Sep 12, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Sadly to say, I remember that episode. My freshman year of college, that was on in the dorms and most of mine attended. I remember the Noxzema chick getting shot and Luke Perry crying like he was going for a Primetime Emmy or something. It did have the whole mafia undertone thing going for it. Funny what you remember from college.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 12, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my dick never had a heart

by Giant Voodoo on Sep 12, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN

All of you, what with your Gossip Girls and your vampire books.

Goddamn kids

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 12, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was 7 when the show started, so I was alive but I never watched it. I know the name of the show but none of the characters or really anything about it.

/lights bag of poop and places it on old man Delorean’s doorstep

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My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 12, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In college, we used to play Drinking 90210. Unlike most drinking games, this one didn’t really have a lot of rules:

1. Pick a character. Ex: “I’m Steve Sanders tonight!”

2. Whenever your character would say something stupid, wear something stupid, or look stupid, people would yell at you to drink.

3. Only pick Tori Spelling’s character if you wanted to blackout and wake up in a vomit-strewn laundry basket.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That sounds fun, it probably made the show watchable!

What year was this, if I may ask?

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My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Sep 12, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The 1860s, I believe.

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by Natto on Sep 12, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1997ish?

Of course, there’s a moral to the story. I’m still in college.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahhh…the Academic Decade. I remember it well.

by bgunn on Sep 12, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If you remember it...

you didn’t do it right.

by toofruss on Sep 12, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe Natto's answer.

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by WalrusMan on Sep 12, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember a house full of girls at my college had a “Hot Damn Dylan’s Back!” party when Dylan returned to 90210. 1999 I believe.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Sep 12, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All of this 90210 talk is making me feel really old.

I couldn’t even relate to the original show because all of the actors were younger than me….BACK THEN!

GET OFFA MY LAWN…AND MY OXYGEN HOSE!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 12, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well I wouldn’t mind hearing about the “Who Shot JR?” party you guys had back in the day.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Sep 12, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm fine!

Wait… Are you threatening me???

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 12, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well now i need to clean my keyboard again.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 12:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Afton was a hottie.

Charlene Tilton…lip gloss FTW!

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

STFU, Gossip Girl is quality trash television!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 12, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought Dylan McKay is a AA prospect for the Cardinals (i.e. Dave McKay’s son). I had no idea this was a character on 90210, a show I never watched once nor do I know who was even on the show.

A gamer does NOT wear a foam finger, a dork does.

by SFGuy on Sep 12, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don’t know what you guys are talking about.

Are those lotto numbers?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yahoo buzz, eh? Well, I’m sure the Yahoo community will have some very intellegent non-racist/sexist/homophopic things to say about this.

by chilibean_3 on Sep 12, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This sounds like a pyramid scheme, one of those GET A FREE* iPHONE deals.

by satyricrash on Sep 12, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt Cain sucks.

by Rusty the Robot on Sep 12, 2008 10:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Backrubs...

… lead to happy endings?

by Rusty the Robot on Sep 12, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gross...

have you SEEN THE BOSTON MEDIA?

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Sep 12, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not concerned.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 12, 2008 10:42 AM PDT   0 recs

I am.

“Noah Lowry”

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lowry

was obviously hurt for more than 2 seasons. Until I see the same type of signs then I’ll be worried. Until then, no.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 12, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just general concern then.

If it’s fatigue , shut him down. What do we – or he – lose at this point?

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

We should have gone with the AAA rotation so we can tank for Strasburg this entire month.

by Hobbes2d on Sep 12, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotoworld...

Providing quality insightful baseball commentary since…. uh….. wait, I just had it here somewhere. I’ll get back to you.

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by leftymalo on Sep 12, 2008 10:45 AM PDT   0 recs

I’m not worried at all.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Sep 12, 2008 10:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Color me concerned.

He’s thrown more pitches and more innings than ever before in his career, and he’s getting hit hard. I hope Bochdoz will handle him gingerly the rest of the way, even though I know he won’t.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 12, 2008 10:50 AM PDT   0 recs

I am with you here.

Look at the list of the 10 players thrown the most pitches in ‘07 and then look at their ‘08 campaigns and I am defiantly whistling has we walk past this grave yard at night .

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually this outing was better

His fastball had the right movement and velocity although he was leaving it up; alas the Padres and especially Gonzalez were hitting well. The last game with Pitt Cain was throwing 89 mph fastballs which is very uncainlike. Since he’s young and showing signs of wear maybe the G-men can skip him once in the rotation for rest and keep him at or under 100 pitches for the re0st of the season.

by Change Up on Sep 12, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I thought that was a really bizarre blurb as well. Stick a fork in him… for this season? For ever?

I’m a bit worried that his K/BB ratio has gone to shit the last few starts, but overall, I’m pretty sure he’s just tired. He’s going to be fine.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 12, 2008 10:50 AM PDT   0 recs

Even Johan Santana will have wonky K/BB ratios for a couple of starts. But this reminds me of the first half of last year. OMG Matt Cain isn’t striking out enough people over his first nine starts! His arm is shredded!

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

“This”, meaning the Rotoworld blurb, not your comment. Your comment reminds me of “Midnight Cowboy”, for some reason.

by Grant on Sep 12, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahahaha what.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Sep 12, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The first half of last year? How about the first half of THIS year? It’s time to face it, guys, Matt Cain isn’t it! He’s a third starter at best! He has no swing-through stuff! Sanchez is better than Cain!

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by jcb9 on Sep 12, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

Are you crazy? He’s #1 material who could be forced to a #3 spot because of Timmy and MadBum in a few years. I hate people like you who always insult people at the first sign of failure.

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by WalrusMan on Sep 12, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This reply was almost too subtle.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you guys read Rotoworld on a regular basis?

Believe me , this is not the oddest post…if it’s at all possible go back to when they bought Gillaspie’s contract.

Rotoworld is NOT objective , and they are DEFINITELY not pro – Giant.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually considered making a fan post based on that very quote. It’s puzzling.

by rotorueter on Sep 12, 2008 10:59 AM PDT   0 recs

They need to shut him down

I said the same in last night’s game thread while watching him pitch.

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 12, 2008 11:06 AM PDT   0 recs

yeah, i don’t understand why they kept him in as long as they did last night

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by The Gene Hackman on Sep 12, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am definitely concerned

Lots of innings & lots of pitches for a young arm when it really is meaningless doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I think we have some serious mismanagement going on here.

I know it’s not a popular concept here, but I think the Giants should seriously consider trading Cain for the young impact needs that they sorely need.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 11:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Cain's not young?

This based on your bolding…

“And now in prep action…”

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 11:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OOPS

…meant to read “young, impact bats”

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IAWTC and your sentiments.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There are maybe a handful of teams that could afford to trade value with us. Then you have to factor in which ones would. then factor in Sabean does not accept minor leagues as any sizeable part of any trade. Then add to it most teams currently are not trading any young help. Top that off if the Giants are not getting 2-3 impact players it does not make since. Its just shuffling the holes around and the Giants would need to find a front of the rotation pitcher to boot. I much harder hole to fill.

In summary would say trading Cain is just not a viable option. The only guy that might bring an impact player at a price other teams would part with is Sanchez.

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by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm very concerned!

It’s not that I think he’s done, or injured, or necessarily that it’s anything more than a rough patch. I don’t like that it’s happening at the end of the year, to be sure. But ultimately, it’s just in my nature to worry about Matt Cain. It’s what I do.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 12, 2008 11:14 AM PDT   0 recs

"...that it's happening at the end of the year..."

Better now than in the middle of (snort) a pennant race (stifles additional nasally dichargelike indicators of amusement)

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This made me laugh

I simply mean that it seems like it could be fatigue-related since it’s happening at the end of the season. However, Cain tends to have rough patches occasionally, so it’s not necessarily worrisome. But because I don’t know, I’m going to worry about Matt Cain.

Then I’m going to recommend we put him in a package deal with Jonathan Sanchez, Nate Schierholtz, Henry Sosa, and Randy Winn for Prince Fielder. Problem solved on our end!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Sep 12, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Except finding clubhouse room for Fielder’s hydroponic garden.

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 12, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why the total dismissal of trading Cain?

I don’t get why the issue of trading Cain gets summarily rejected by many commenters here. I’m not saying that he isn’t good and shouldn’t bring back some value, but in order for the GIants to make a serious move in fixing their team, they’re going to have to make some sacrifices. I think Cain is the most logical guy to trade. He’s young, tied up through his arbitration years, talented, and the type of guy that could bring a good return on the open market.

I’m not saying that we should trade him for the sake of trading him, but I wouldn’t consider him untouchable, like I would say about Timmy. We need to make a bold move to get some real hitters on this team, not the likes of the types of guys that we have now, whether on the ML roster or in the minors.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 2:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m against trading Cain mostly because of my deep sentimental attachment to the guy, but also mostly because of the complete lack of any realistic scenario in which we get back fair value. Not that people don’t try to be realistic, but really…

If a good trade does happen, I’ll back it. Unless there is evidence that a good trade will or can happen, which I don’t see, then I will reject it.

That’s my stance. And explains why I reject it so readily.

The other half of this to remember is that trading Cain isn’t simply getting a good hitter, it’s also losing a good pitcher who you don’t have a replacement for. So unless you really fleeced your trading partner, you’re still looking at coming out of the trade in about the same position you were in before you made it.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Except that you become a more balanced team by acquiring a real hitter to put in the middle of the lineup. We have more pitchers that are getting close, but we don’t have many hitters that are close at all.

I just don’t think that the concept of trading Cain should be rejected summarily.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair, I don’t see many people doing that (summarily rejecting the idea of trading him). I think HTS does a pretty good job of summing up my feelings: sentimentally attached, and don’t see a plausible/beneficial trade scenario. I’ll add: feeling a little gunshy about trading pitchers. I know good trades are supposed to hurt both teams, but I’m still smarting over Liriano/Nathan/Bonser.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Sep 12, 2008 3:25 PM PDT