If you were GM this offseason......
by oldrips on Sep 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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At the risk of getting hijacked.......if you were the Giants GM what 3 moves would you make this offseason to get the Giants more competitive?
Personally, I would start with:
1) Eat the contract of Dave Roberts and tell him to consider being a coach. He might be useful schooling our youngsters in baserunning, but it fairly obvious that he should not be occupying a roster spot.
2) Try to trade Jonathan Sanchez to the Brewers for either JJ Hardy or Prince Fielder. We'd probably have to give something else in Fielder's case, maybe not in Hardy's. Hardy makes sense for us because he is young, has some pop and is a decent SS, a position we desperately need to upgrade. Fielder obviously has a lot of pop, which we desperately need, and is also young. We should have plenty of room in the salary budget to fit either of these guys.
3)Try to move Molina for some type of solution to 3B. Sandoval is obviously the immediate future and, despite Molina's whining, Bengie is not. Bengie will not bring us the eventual solution, but you'd have to think he bring back something better than the crap we've run out there this year.
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Hm
I say old bean
The biggest thing that grinds my gears is why we feel the need to move our whole infield to 2B. Oh man this person is a decent SS but man if he was a 2B… wow! Great. I dont need 4 second basemen. play the people there that absolutely cannot handle day to day SS, i. e. Denker and Frandsen. Burriss… i’m sure yo uwould make a great second baseman but we don’t need another one so stick to SS.
So, i guess my point is to stop wavering so much with people and let them get settled. Keep Bengie, play Sandoval at 3B. Trade Bengie and put Sandoval at C. Trade (not Furcal) for a SS and put burriss at 2B and Frand at 3B. Put Buriss at SS and Frandsen at 2B. stop with the goddamn carousel. It seems the Giants whole gameplan is to build 1 good player with 2 platooners and its tiresome.
by Giant Voodoo on Sep 11, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Versatility
Versatility is a GOOD thing — particularly among mediocre players, a category most of the young players you mentioned fall into.
by sharksrog on Sep 12, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is it
old rips, or ol’ drips I like ol’ drips because it makes me think you had a hiarious nick name in highschool football or somthing?
I agree with your moves for the most part, Sanchez is pretty awesome when he is on but
I have an eerie feeling his lack luster performances lately have been because maybe he cant pitch a full season as a starter. So will other GM’s be hip to this and not take him for what he feel he is worth? if that is the case than it may take more than just dirty to score even Hardy and he is not that good.
First I would agree and cut ties with grandpa Roberts, hes old and sucks.
Second trade Molina, I think with his numbers this season a competitor ( Yankees ) would be happy to have and would probably part with something at least as decent as Burris for him.
Third I would let some guys play next year, Frandsen, Burris, Denker, Sandoval etc.. just give our guys some sort of chance, I dont know that is a foregone conclusion that we must trade for some pop. Did anyone else watch the game that other night where Dunn smashed two balls that were harmless pop ups in atnt, that is going to happen to a lot of balls here so whats the point in pushing for so much pop, it might just get wasted on our park.
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and my point with the Dunn hits is that if those are line drives and not in the air they are triples and those are pretty good to.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade idea
Got an idea and I suggest it as a response to your trade because I don’t think there’s any chance that the Brewers deal Fielder or Hardy. They don’t have tons of prospects behind those two guys at those important positions and I also don’t think they need the pitching (assuming they keep either CC or Sheets, not both) because Gallardo is coming back.
I know fan-suggested trades don’t usually make any sense and I may be missing some things but how’s this:
Yanks need young, quality pitching. Giants have a ton of it and need solid position players (notably 2B). Yanks also need OF with Abreu gone and Matsui and Damon DHing a lot.
So without further ado, here’s my trade suggestion:
Giants trade Jonathan Sanchez and Randy Winn to Yankees for Robinson Cano
Sanchez is a promising young lefty with a great K rate who would be much more entertaining to watch than Ponson or Pavano. Winn is a solid veteran who can hit almost anywhere (I see him either in No. 2 or 6,7,8 on stocked Yankee team) and is a plus defender.
Cano has struggled a lot this season and maybe he needs a change of scenery without the pressure of being an athlete in NY.
Any thoughts? Mutually beneficial? A possibility or am I crazy?
If the Yanks scoff at this, I’d even throw in Bengie b/c the Yanks have two geezers in Posada and Pudge right now. Cano may have struggled but he’s a great hitter and would be valuable to this team for years to come (at a decent price too, assuming he shows the stroke he did in 2006/2007)
by IVSPORT on Sep 11, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless I am hugley mistaken the Brewers have an A prospect ready to take over for Hardy. And we dont have that much young starting pitching that we should trade all the mlb ready guys off.
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about the Brewers
The Brewers have Alcides Escobar ready to step in at SS. They may try and deal Hardy, even if the Giants weren’t interested, in a cost-cutting move. They would also part with Fielder in the right deal, too. As they have Mat Gamel in the minors crushing the ball, but playing some very ham-manded defense, ala Ryan Braun. If they move Fielder and his big contract, they may be able to make a play for CC. It’s highly unlikely, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 11, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't part of the Brewers' problem
that their lineup is drastically right-handed. seems confusing that they would part with their big lefty slugger…
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I am hearing about the Brewers and their potential FAs is that it’s basically either CC or Sheets who gets re-signed. I’m under the impression that they’re happy to let Prince walk and get the draft pick, or trade him for young talent. Same goes with Hardy though he won’t command nearly the same in return. I discuss the future FA situation in Milwaukee with a fellow who knows the Brewers inside out and that’s what he has to tell me.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers have a hole at 2b
Hardy can be moved there, to make way for Escobar; whereas both Fielder and Gamel are realistically stuck at 1b, so either one needs to be moved.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cano thing interests me
He’s been horrible both offensively and defensively this year (last among AL 2basemen in Dial’s latest rankings), but everyone was so convinced that he is special that I’d have to think about it. He’s also signed to a longterm deal – if he’s starts playing like in ‘07, he’d be a great value. Dunno what the Yanks would think, but surely they’d be interested in a young arm like Sanchez. Do they have middle infielders on the way up? I mean, I’m happy enough giving Frandsen a shot next year, but I do think you’d have to think about a rare value like Cano.
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees don’t have to worry about filling any spots because Steinbrenner will provide whoever the new GM is with a blank check to sign any FA. Another option unless Jeter’s still a prima donna is moving DJ to 2B (since his defense has drastically declined) and finding a FA 3B or SS depending on whether they would keep A-Rod at 3B. Basically, dealing Cano wouldn’t kill them because they have all the money in the world and can rearrange their infield depending on the FAs available.
Frandsen deserved a shot this year and it’s a shame he got injured before getting his chance but I think he’ll be a step behind all the rooks that got their chance this year and Ochoa/Burris/Velez may be better options than him at this point.
P.S. What happened to my reply about hijack abuse? I saw that some heated responses were made but when I try to find them, they are nowhere to be found. Did it get too heated?
by IVSPORT on Sep 11, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we don't do anything
I want Burriss at short and Franny at second. Velez (even more clearly now) has some value, but the guy is not a regular secondbaseman.
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Status Quo
Given what the Giants have right now, I really like your idea of teaming up Emmanuel and Kevin. Velez could start at second against some right-handers, giving Kevin’s Achilles extra rest.
I think that if healthy, Kevin has a chance. He showed last September that he could be a good hitter when he showed the patience to wait for more balls to drive. Can he repeat anything approaching his .900+ OPS that month? Why not give him a chance and see?
by sharksrog on Sep 12, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get a bit wary over players who are as dependent on a high batting average in order to be productive as Cano is.
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by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m mostly standing pat as GM. Certainly not moving any starting pitchers. I’d see if anyone would be willing to take Roberts, but wouldn’t hold my breath. I might consider packaging him with a Sadler and a position player piece just for the helluvit.
Mostly I’d be worried about 40-man roster management so I don’t lose anyone in a rule 5 oversight.
Also, I’m pretty pleased with how my prospects are performing at this point.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with delorean
I guess that makes me Ned Coletti.
by Natto on Sep 11, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree too, but need a power bat where we have holes. For instance, a stud 1B who switch hits and hits in pressure situations. This is the year to do it too cuz we do not lose our pick for signing Tex.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
Giants aren’t in a position to contend in 09, so if I’m GM, I don’t spend a single dollar on free agents.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I have to see the free agents. I don’t think it’s worthwhile to stand pat on any of Burris, Denker, Frandsen, Ochoa, Ishikawa, Lewis, or Shierholtz just for the sake of standing pat on them, because I don’t think any of them stand a good chance of being much better than league average over the long-term, and many of them stand a very good chance of petering out below league average.
I don’t know the free agents, so I can’t say that any would be worth the investment, but I think being satisfied with even the young guys we have now is as much of a recipe for continued long-term suck as anything else.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a very good year for free agents. The best ones out there all play first base or corner outfield, between Dunn, Teixiera and Burrell, and I don’t know that I’d like to give any of them the type of money they’ll probably get on the market this year.
Though there’s always Joe Crede. And CC Sabathia, i don’t think we’ve discussed the possibility of him on the Giants much yet.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, no shit?
they gotta try to sign that guy.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Sep 11, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard..
he wants to play for SF, he might give us a hometown discount! ! 11!!
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Sep 11, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED BEFORE NOW?!?
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Sep 11, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some FAs this offseason
Teixeria, Manny, Dunn, Burrell, Sabathia, Sheets, Lowe, Burnett.
When was the last time there was this much talent available in FA?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only the top
I would go after only the top free agents — although most if not all of them are likely to become too expensive. That’s what happens when demand is high and supply is low. Fortunately the Giants are beginning to do a good job of growing their own stars.
If I were convinced that Rafael Furcal were fully healthy, I might look to him if he were a bargain free agent in that he didn’t generate a star-quality contract. I doubt he will be healthy enough though — and he’ll STILL probably get too long a contract (three years?).
by sharksrog on Sep 12, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year would be a good year to try and get the division. Manny should be in NY. The dodgers will suck, Dback old, Padres(are us last year), and the Rockies should get worse as well. Its a good time to take a shot and win the west and go for it all. Can you see the playoffs and series,. Franchise, Cain, Madbum. there you go, seires victory. And Madbum will be up by July next year.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sayin’ mostly yes with a slight aftertaste of no. But definitely mostly yes.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dbacks old?
Which ones?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rnady Jonson
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea why i did that
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rnady Johnson, Byrnes, and just the fact that they are getting older and not better.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes is not an important member of the Diamondbacks. It is true that almost all of their young talent has been a big disappointment, but most of them are still in the 23-26 age range, hardly time to write them all off.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, those guys are old-ish, but the core group of players (Conor Jackson, Justin Upton, Chris Young, etc.) is not.
by Natto on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but other than Hren and Webb, no pitching.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the Giants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Hudson
will be 31. And more importantly, he’s an FA too.
He’s probably been one of their best position players over the last few years.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't forget about him
The point still stands that they’re building around younger talent.
by Natto on Sep 12, 2008 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell
no
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Sep 11, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I would look around for some Carlos Pena possibilities and try to dump D-Robz but I wouldn’t make any huge moves.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Guzman would be a good example of a Pena-type.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'd take a flyer on that dude if he were available
If only to make sure Paul Stanley doesn’t get all fat and cocky.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that
a Kiss joke just went right over my head…
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Sep 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Stanley = Pablo Sandoval.
(DOn’t ask)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Thank you for keeping that alive.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Sep 11, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And not just because I am a follower. (BAAAAAAAA.) I don’t think it’s wise to upset the track the team already seems to be on. In general, I think it’s good not to be so reactionary, but to step back and see the road ahead. Reactionary brings more Shea Hillenbrand.
by satyricrash on Sep 11, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GROUGTHINK ALERT
NATEY AT 3RD
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that’s groudthink.
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by groug on Sep 11, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here goes.
1. Package Winn and minor leaguer to Tampa for infield prospect. Brignac would be nice but it will likely take more than Winn so perhaps Winn and Sosa (Noonan perhaps). Brignac has been up and down and I am not sure if he is still in Tampa’s long term plans. He may be too far of a stretch. Winn, if he would accept the trade, would give Tampa a veteran presence and versatility seeing as he can play all three outfield positions.
2. Sign veteran bull pen arm. [Insert Name Here] could help bring stability to a young but talented pen and possibly account for more wins than one would initially think. Try not to overpay but when it comes to bullpen arms it is almost unavoidable.
3. Sign reclamation project like Joel Guzman or other failed position player prospect. Or perhaps make an offer to LAAofA to steal Wood. Find someone who needs a change of scenery.
Bottom line: Don’t go crazy thinking World Series or bust in 09. Playoffs probably ain’t gonna happen so be patient. The team is finally looking at a future of young hitting talent so don’t go signing expensive veterans who will end up blocking those guys.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that the deal?
yeah I know he has like 10 teams he doesn’t want to get traded to. I was not sure if Tampa was one of them. Maybe he would change his mind seeing as they are good now. I am not sure. Fucking no trade clause. Sabean I hate you.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was just all the Central teams he didn’t want to be traded to
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by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is also what i had been led to believe
GROUPTHINK ALERT
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winn does not want to go anywhere. Plus he is a good clubhouse guy. And Rowand, Lewis, Natey all will need time off no matter what they say or someone will get a bunion. So I say keep Winn.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could get a Brignac type for him and a Henry Sosa type (I’m not sure we’d be able to, for what it’s worth), that’s a deal you have to make though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right jponry.
Maybe a Molina, Winn and cash. Those are two positions they could use.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but that is the point.
Winn is good so you trade him to a team that can benefit from his services. We can but the difference between 70 wins and 65 isn’t that great. We need to get younger and that means giving up good older players to get young unproven ones.
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thing is that where trading him sounds good, I want to go from instead of 70-65, I want to go 92-87 and a guy like winn can do that..
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s going to take a lot for this team to become an 87 win team in one offseason and I don’t think the tools are out there to make that possible in 2009.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think...
that by the way that they are playing the last couple months, that it is out of the question that they are a above .500 team next year. Yes, some kids are playing above their heads, but I think it’s totally possible to have 80-85 wins next year, if not a few more. I honestly think, as bad as we were at the beginning of the season, we can make a few small changes and be contenders for the division next year, definitely not getting past the first round, if we make it, but I think there is really a good chance that it happens.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Sep 11, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a team that is good. The Giants are not there yet.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the west is going to be worse next year and a free agent or two with the pitching we got could be the difference.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning the NL West = world's tallest midget
No point in blowing one’s load to win the NL West only to get rolled in the 1st round (see Dodgers, Los Angeles, 2008)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily with our pitching.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it's not necessarily
but i think it’s pretty likely.
As pretend GM, i’m putting my eggs in the 2010/2011 basket.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good thing about 2010 is Posey/Lil Money will be tuff.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean our mostly pretty mediocre starting pitching outside of Caincecum and our terrible bullpen?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched any Giants games this year? Yes, it’s pretty terrible.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
romo looks good. hinshaw looks good. wilson is a stud(otherthan the last two games).
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo does look good and Wilson is all right, but Hinshaw walks way too many batters. And 3 sort of good pitchers does not a playoff caliber bullpen make.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quality depth
isn’t as important in the postseason as it is in the regular season.
4th and 5th starters are much less important in the postseason than they are in the regular season. A guy who can go 200 IP with 96-100 ERA+ is much more valuable in the regular season.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our pitching isn’t that good.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Sep 11, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It is. How many pitchers do we have with ERA’s under 4?
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then why are we looking for to 2010 and 2011 season. Out pitching sucks that bad. Or by then will have alderson, madbum, puectas, and the crew came up and saved the ship.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to say it, but zito doesnt look that bad, lately. not 120M good, but not bad.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember Zito not looking that bad at the end of last season too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhat better, but he still sucked.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second half Zito 2008: 4.94 ERA in 62 IP
Second half Zito 2007: 4.11 ERA in 92 IP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did not seem to look so good though. Last year he seemed to be eeking out of situations. he at least is trying new things.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K/BB and WHIP were both better last year as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until Zito pitches 126 mm good then he does not deserve to be int he same sentence as good!
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are a bit different
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a smart man once told me, why is a pitcher thats good ever a free agent?
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he’s got a good agent?
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fool me once… Shame on… Shame on YOU.
You fool me can’t get fooled again!
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by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were talking about 2009.
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by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think our pitching is not as bad as everyone is saying it is. The pitching is good. the bullpen does need work. But one or two vet arms might just do it.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The conventional wisdom all year has been that the Giants have good pitching. But their team ERA is 9th in the National League and the team ERA+ is 99, below average. This is not to say that it won’t improve, but it’s not exactly a big strength.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tyler walker is reason for not being 3rd :-)
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the era where Misch started a bunch of games…and Hennessey blew goats.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Sep 11, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen pitchers can easily turn to garbage between seasons. Can’t just bring a couple people in and expect them to be good.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 11, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have lost this argument man, plus why would you hate to say Zito is pitching better. I would be stoked as hell if Zito would finally live up to 3/4 of his contract.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont get your panties in a bunch. its just fer grinz.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love your optimism in that the Giants are close to being good. I just can’t join you.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 11, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point is why not with such a crappy west. the fodgers are freaking just over 500 and are leading by three and ahalf games.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so all of their young players will stay the same or get worse?
And they won’t sign any free agents this off season?
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dodgers cant really sign cuz of jones and pierre(i love you ned coletti).dbacks will have spent cash and prospects and doubt they’ll be looking to replace their young talent. Pads, HA! The rockies are all you really ned to worry about, but from whta I hear they want to trade holliday. So who is looking for free agents? The only thing I see is CC going to either the Dodgers or Dbacks
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
The Dodgers ran out of money? They decided that Pierre and Jones were bad investments so no more free agents from now on? Get real. They will make a splash like they always do. Remember no cap.
The Dbacks will probably get better. Upton, Young, Drew, Jackson. Those are all very good players and will probably get even better.
I am just not with you on this NL West is teh sux wagon.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
So… they will have an idetical year. I still don’t get it.
Players get better. Kershaw will probably be better. Loney wil probably be better. Kemp will probably be better. What does this year have to do with next year?
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What???
What about it? The Dodgers said they forfit that year? I don’t get it.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the NL west this year sucks. It did last year. it should next year. why not jump in and see what we can do in the playoffs with Caincecum starting 4-5 games in the playoff series.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the nl west is good this year?
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
so obviously it will not be good next year.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more likely than not. unless the west is the san antonio spurs.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wanna see how far i can get this box
by kingofthacove on Sep 11, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s what she said?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL you were the one arguing it sucked last year, buddy. You can’t say “It sucks this year, it sucked last year, it’s going to suck next year!” and then when people point out it was good last year, say, “WELL IT SUCKS THIS YEAR.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellp the Rockies did win the NL last year.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were en fuego though
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
21 out of 22 happens all the time.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ended up being between the Rockies and the Padres for the Wild Card, I think that means the division was pretty strong.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
iawtc
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping that was far enough over that nobody know what comment I was referring to.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hit the up button and it became apparent.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on Sep 12, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NL West was pretty good last year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is silly.
To believe that the Dodgers and the Dbacks will not only not get better but actually get worse is stupid.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so next year we give up on to look forward to 2010?
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that can live with one more shitty year and the possibily of actually being quite in 2010 rais your hand. Hand raised!
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow. I am going to give up on mccovey chronciles now and come back in late 2009. peace.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
About time.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have fun wasting your year ladies
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will, thanks! :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen sister, and if im a lady that makes like
Marla Hooch, and that not very lady like.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry meant to that make me like Marla…
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are still things worth discussing even if we aren’t contenders next year. I mean… come on.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you don't give up
You just don’t go running around like a chicken with its head cut off thinking we are one or two pieces away from a championship team.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bwahahaha
Best tangent in a long time!
CONTENDARZ!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 11, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton, Drew, Jackson, Young
are good PROSPECTS. They have yet to become good players.
Those supposedly “good players” are part of the reason why that offense has a 93 OPS+.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s ease up on the “Natey” talk.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in Lou?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you schlur all your words.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plain “Nate” is one letter shorter. ;-)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, but he’s gunna be good next year, so he is going to need a nickname and Nasty Nate sounds like a porno name
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the better!
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juggernate is his nickname.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I been gone for a week and a half. JUGGERNATE IS AWESOME> Can he wear the whole outfit like in XMEN
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH man, you missed some epic awesome. I don’t remember what thread Natto’s picture was in though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah… Ellen Paige is just gonna pwn him, anyway… :(
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes the y just jumps on the end… I know that every time I type the wor ever, I always end up actually typing every. I don’t know why that is….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I heard somewhere that Winn still has a Tampa home….
by aGIANTfan on Sep 11, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus that would screw up Goofus’ 4-man OF dealio.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for screwing up anything Goofus comes up with.
by Natto on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty Much Stand Pat
I wouldn’t sign any free agents. I’d allow Pablo to continue to bounce between 3B, 1B, and C. Benjie can catch, and The Goofus Principle will be in full effect in the OF. The one major acquisition I would look at is IF 9big if) the Giants’ could pick up Beltre in a salary dump from Seattle, take it. If they want a real prospect of player, no thanks.
Dont’ trade a starter at all. Hope that Lowry comes back, and Correra can be moved to the ’pen.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Beltre = Pedro meme is really tiresome.
It’s not accurate in any way.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much there only similarity is that they are from south of the border.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lulz
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they both cannot hit in pressure situations at the bell
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow they are finally using the hits in pressure situaiton stat! AWESOME!!!
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you even quantify that?
Beltre’s hit .296/.345/.447 in his career at AT&T. I don’t know what the breakdown there is between pressure situations or not but that’s a shitload better than Pedro.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What to give up for him though? Sanchez? lowry? its grasping for 3B.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s where I said salary dump only,. DO NOT GIVE UP GOOD PLAYERS FOR HIM!!!!!! Maybe a Brian Horowitz & Pat Misch kind of deal.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the M’s would do that. Remember Beltre’s worth 2 picks at the end of 08.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he doesnt take the arbitration
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s only going to be like 30 at the end of next year, he’ll get another long term deal somewhere.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they don’t, they don’t. They would have to offer him arbitration, and then he would have to sign elsewhere. Nobody is going to pay him $12 mil +, which is what he would be assured of in arbitration.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you believe
that the arbitrator is going to award him a sum that nobody is going to pay?
And if you think that nobody is going to give him $12M, I suggest that you’ve not been paying attention the the salary inflation in MLB.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won’t realisitically get a cut in pay if he accepts arbitration, especially with the numbers he puts up in a pitchers ballpark.
I have been paying attention to the salarys that FA’s are attracting these days, and the $$ amount for midlevel, older players is starting to fall as more and more teams look to internal options. The three huge money teams that would traditionally bid up a player are all set at third base (NYY A-Rod, NYM David Wright, BoSox Lowell, Youklis) so they would be out of the picture. The Angles would have some interest, but they have discussed cutting payroll. I just don’t see much of a market for Beltre in 2010. Of course, injuries could change all of this, but that’s just my opnion.
by tyrannoman on Sep 12, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The $$ amount
amount for midlevel, older players is going down? Jose Guillen. Luis Castillo. Kaz Matsui.
It’s the price for midlevel older players that is inflating ridiculously, whereas the price for top level elite level talent, has stayed fairly constant.
The Angels have discussed cutting payroll? Since when? They have saidthey don’t want to go the Yankee route. That’s not cutting payroll.
Also, the Yanks, Mets, RS, Angels really aren’t only the teams that can afford Beltre. The WS have a $121M payroll this season. The previous 2 seasons, they had > $100M payrolls. The Dodgers have a $118M payroll, after a >$100M payroll last season. The Cardinals are just at around $100M. Even the small market Brewers had a $80M payroll at the start of this season. All of these teams could potentially need a 3b.
he won’t realisitically get a cut in pay if he accepts arbitration, especially with the numbers he puts up in a pitchers ballpark.
Why not? His raw numbers are depressed by playing in a pitcher’s park. IIRC, park adjusted numbers like OPS+ and EQA are not used in arbitration. Instead raw numbers like OPS are used.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Sep 12, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then make that argument, don’t start comparing him to a player he’s not really comparable to.
I have no idea what the M’s are going to want for Beltre, but it’s very possible the cost will be prohibitive, in which case I’d rather not get him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather not get him. between pablo and fransden it should be covered.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo and Frandsen aren’t really 3Bmen though.
by Natto on Sep 11, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but whats better now though? Rohlinger? Or go get Fragile Crede?
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that as “Fraggle Crede” and that made me laugh.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well be...
he’s about as sturdy as paper or film, or what have you..
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Sep 11, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo’s defense there over a full season might negate his offense and LOL Frandsen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way you would even have to quantify that would be RISP.
Beltre Career: .271/.327/.460
Beltre Career RISP: .262/.344/.436
So a .787 OPS versus a .780 OPS… Really significant.
Feliz Career: .252/.290/.430
Feliz Career RISP: .251/.297/.434
A .719 OPS versus a .731 OPS… FELIZ IS BETTER IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS!
According to this crap metric, but really… come on.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hate to see another re-tread at 3b though.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’m not saying that I want him. I’m just saying the pressure situation thing is really flimsy.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not a retread.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is though and what has he done in Seattle? They are doing great things with him.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
non-sequitur
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Sep 11, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are a bad team. Has nothing to do with player analysis.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were competitive last season with him, if we want to go by flawed measurements.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and that’s his fault.
He’s played great defense and averaged about a 110 OPS+ since his first year there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow. the market for him must be insane right now. i think its the former dodger thing.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it…Why do you hate him so much?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Sep 11, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not that i hate him, i just dont want him to be a giant.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen what we’ve put at third base the last few years?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems that everyone wants him to come here and save the day and he wont. he’ll play good for a one year deal or in the last year of a contract. hes another durham.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one thinks he’d save the day but he’d be a significant upgrade at third base and probably also be worth draft picks at the end of the season.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only similarity between Durham and Beltre: both dark complected.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot see when beltre turned great.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loss of words jponry?
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t know what he even means by that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there is little hope next year of going anywhere, why not see what pablito, and fransden, and rohlinger can do? Why get the stopgap player when the money could be used elsewhere
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On what?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on our crappy pitching from what i read
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our pitching would probably improve if we improved the infield defense as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$$ can always be used to sign kids not in the draft, or applied directly to the draft.
by tyrannoman on Sep 12, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are still talking about a salary dump here! its not like we are talking about sending them Cain and a three way with tasch’s wife and Amy G. So if we did pick him up in this scenerio he would cost next to nothing for us.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we are trading Amy G for him for draft picks? and a year of double plays and great defense
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure doesn’t sound like the M’s are thinking about it as a salary dump. That’s why I think the thing is moot, since we’re not giving them Sanchez for a year of Beltre.
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, obviously if that’s the sort of price we’re looking at, I’d say no in a second.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really happy
with the prospect of any of these three at 3b
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot see when beltre turned great.
- Big Daddy J
There is this stage called “good”. It between “great” and “average”. Ussaly far above crap ( ie Crede, Joe Castle).
Perhaps good is the word you wanted – No? Other wise your the only one here linking Beltre and great. The only one.
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by daveinexile on Sep 11, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, he is leaps and bounds above castillo, but so is my gramma. He would probably take the arb too.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is going to be thirty years old. He will get a long-term deal from someone.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Florida border?
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Sep 11, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry ot replie to you on this but it is related to what you said. Can anyone think of a pitcher to come back strong from what Lowery had.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think any pitcher has undergone the sugrery that Lowry had, so no. At this piont I’m hoping for Lowry to be good again, not counting on it. Unless Hennessey shows a lot between now and the end of Spring Training, I think the Giants’ may be shopping for a #5 starter.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is Correia realy that bad of a fifth starter, especially on this team? I mean bad enough to quantify spending money on someone.
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is. rather see madbum or someone.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok I see so lets bring in the MadBum while he is still way to young and only realy has one pitch to pitch in the bigs, good idea! Your super smart!
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is going to start out at triple a and shoot up like timmy.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim had 3 years of Div 1 baseball under his belt and still spent pretty much an entire season in minors!
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by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rahter not see him in the bigs next season at all. Let him work on the breaking ball, then come in like gangbusters with a Cy Young/ROY/MVP season all in one as he leads the Giants’ to a world series vicotry in 2010.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way he’d be a really great major league pitcher by next year, I’d rather not start his clock so early. Plus, it’d be a lot easier to monitor his inning totals in the minors than it would be in the majors. He’s already moving pretty fast, we don’t need to accelerate it anymore than it already is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely no way he starts out at AAA.
He might start at AA if the Giants are really confident, but I’d expect him to start the year in San Jose.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he rolls through the low A’s and MId A’s like he should, why wont he be a major leaguer next year. Plus with the horrible # 3 we have in cain.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain joke is old, and there is no rolling through the minors that i have heard of for MadBum, he needs more pitches if he is going to be able to succeed!
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no need to accelerate his development that much. As good as his performance this year has been, he still doesn’t have a very good second pitch. He would get killed at the majors right now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This ain't happenning
Madbum is a long way from AAA, much less the majors. Is he a good prospect? Yes, but he’s not on the fast track to the majors by a long way.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 11, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This ain't happening
Madbum is a long way from AAA, much less the majors. Is he a good prospect? Yes, but he’s not on the fast track to the majors by a long way.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 11, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong! He starts next year in AAAAA.
Its the next generation of Minor League Baseball on the moon! Zoinks!
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how will he adjust for the lower gravity?? Answer me that, smart guy!
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two words
Rocket boosters attached to the ball!!!!
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, jeeze. I should’ve figgerd that out.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crazy. Madbum isn’t ready.
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so. Not that the overall totals would’ve been much better, but he’s really taxed the bullpen with his inability to throw more than 5 innings a start.
BTW, I don’t mean spend a lot of $$$. A Jamey Wright type, throw a bunch of innigs and save the bullpen.
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had read an article a couple weeks ago...
where it was predicting that the Giants sign Lohse this offseason for 2 yrs at 7or 8 per.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Sep 11, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had read an article a couple weeks ago...
where it was predicting that the Giants sign Lohse this offseason for 2 yrs at 7or 8 per.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Sep 11, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not want
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not want
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tia Carrere in the bullpen?
That would put asses in seats fo sho
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the plan:
1) Trade Matt Cain for Prince Fielder
2) Sign Mark Texeira, CC Sabathia, and Joe Crede
3) Trade Jonathan Sanchez, Randy Winn, and Bengie Molina for any sort of prospects we can get. Same with Rowand.
World Series, here we come!!!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with and endorse this plan wholeheartedly
in a totally non-ironic fashion
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot: 4) Reverse the rotation of Earth, go back and don't trade Lirano and Nathan for AJ.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was implied.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it should have read:
3) Trade Winn, Molina and Rowand for any prospects we can get.
4) Trade Sanchez, MadBum, Sosa and a throw-in of Schierholtz for Reid Brignac or Robinson Cano.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH! And
5) Trade Lincecum for Alex Rios!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now I get it :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
about going back to 1971 and killing Scott Spezio’s father.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Sep 11, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terminator! The Spezio Chronicles
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 11, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so where would Prince play and where would Tex play?
Unless this is a joke post.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Line 2 there…
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince would play SS. Duh.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell with that!
That’s a badass first base platoon right there! They both play first exclusively!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand it is a joke but am I stupid for really wanting the Giants to sign CC?
It’s like the new bike that I want. I already have two and the one I want is crazy expensive but it would be sooooo cool.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The brew crew are blowing out his arm though.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen the MRI.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing him to a zito like deal will be another zito like deal.
by Big Daddy J on Sep 11, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen the tarot cards.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, Prince would play CF! WTF is wrong with you people?
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you good at dealing with customers so the engineers don’t have to?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Sep 11, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone hook me up with a link to the Tomko paper doll dancing thing, that shit is so funny!
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait...
you want to hook up with Tomko? You know he’s married to a Playboy Bunny, right?
by tyrannoman on Sep 11, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beard
He probably wants to hook up with jbowl.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 11, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://natto-chan.livejournal.com/123101.html
I forgot that I did a Lincecum one.
by Natto on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I love those so much! Shouldnt Omar have been a little balder?
I'm young but i didn't fall off the truck yesterday!
by jbowl on Sep 11, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
Hardy is ranked dead last in fielding in Dial’s OPD stats released last week. I know it’s good to take these things with a grain of salt, but…dead last? Yech.
by BigO on Sep 11, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.....
I guess we couldn’t use a 26 year old SS who’s hitting .284 with 24 HRs & 70 RBIs.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 11, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average and RBI's FTW!
HE also hits Majestic HR’s.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Sep 11, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least he didn’t use RBI+R/PA.
:)
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Sep 12, 2008 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hijack!
If you were GM, what three moves would you make during the off-season to get the Giants more competitive?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 11, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would move the team to play in the ocean – fighting off sharks and whales is a great way to build up gamerism.
by satyricrash on Sep 11, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude. Sharks are from San Jose and it’s easy to fight them off. Just get them in a playoff series and they’ll fold right up.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 11, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 11, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left, right, and left again.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given: the owners had hide the Axe so can’t rearrange the middle management types much.
#1: No Free Agent contract over 2 years this off season.
#2: Winn rotates. The Jugger Nate owns right field tell at least flag day. Questions or problems with this the door is over there – Deal With it!
#3: I hold in reserve. As situations develop, or don’t.
When in doubt see rule #1.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 11, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Questions or problems with this the door is over there – Deal With it!
I think the door is broken. It’s not helping at all. It’s not responding to any of my questions. In fact, it’s not doing anything at all, really.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 11, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just run at it real hard and fast.. It will work… Honest.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 11, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it did work!
Thanks!
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Sep 11, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the door is broken, and we’ll have to bring in a free agent dorr at $13 mil per for 8 years…it’s hard to find and devolp good doors, after all.
by tyrannoman on Sep 12, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just were not running hard enough. Lower your head as well.
/ caries can of paint away from brick wall.
Here try it on this wall err door.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with his struggles
Correia is still a Viable 5th starter in the ML.
Take a look at who is filling the 5 hole for most other teams, It isn’t pretty.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Sep 11, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with them keeping Correia in the Steel Cage match for 5-7 starters. None at all.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 11, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread was EPIC.
Where was I!?
That’s it, I’m not coming back until 2009, when you people will appreciate me.
Michael Ambort: Dude hits TATERS.
My favorite pie is (name of pie flavor)
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Sep 11, 2008 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In case you missed it, my first move was “Get rid of xanthan until 2009”
Success!
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on Sep 11, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if xanthan’s not going to be here, then I really have no reason to stick around. I can see Grant’s writing offline anytime I want to, anyway.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry that was a typo. I meant, “I can see Grant writing…”
Don’t know how that possessive snuck in there.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 12, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to stick around!
If not for yourself, do it for your lair!
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.
by groug on Sep 12, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Sit and do nothing
2) Sit and do nothing
3) Sit and do nothing
by ACgiant97 on Sep 11, 2008 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not bad
This sitting and doing nothing isn’t a bad idea — except that the Giants wouldn’t have made room for Nate Schierholtz and they would still be short of right-handed hitting.
But generally I think you’ve got it right.
Here are the three things I would do:
. Sign only top free agents, not the mediocre-to-good ones of the past.
. Look to trade players who might decline in the future (perhaps such as Fred Lewis if he were healthy), obviously the older players such as Winn to make room for younger players, and trade them for prospects, hopefully undervalued ones.
. Exercise patience. I believe the Giants are building a potentially great team for the upcoming decade — if they don’t screw it up. :)
by sharksrog on Sep 12, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exercise patience. I believe the Giants are building a potentially great team for the upcoming decade — if they don’t screw it up. :)
- Sharksrog
It’s the Giants. What could possibly go wrong?
< insert Alfred E. Newman "What me worry?" face here >
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with standing pat......
…is that does not address the huge problem the Giants have with not having any impact bats. How are they possibly going to be competitive any time in the near future if they don’t address this issue? Where is the power going to come from? Standing pat is accepting future medicority and a line of #7 hitters, now and into the future.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory I get what your saying here. But the Debil’s in the details. A power bat is basically a monster contract to Tex which would guarantee we suck for another 4+ season because we would be staffing 20+ men with an average of 1-2 MM per slot on the 25 man.
Or we sign one of the left fielders. Which might allow the team to avoid but no guarantee the Fate of a Tex/ C.C. / Johan sized contract but would still severally limit the ability to retain talent. Such a move also costs the team the chance to see if they can turn any of the JuggerNate, Bowker, Copeland etc crowd into either useful MLBer’s and thus, in turn replaced by an upgrade, lower level minor leaguers that might help the franchise 3+ years down the road.
So basically any power we get will have to be from dumpster dives or pleasant surprises inside the system. Regardless if they sing a free agent this winter. Thus might as well keep the money and the roster flexibility for when a significant part can be had that will up grade the team dramatically.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Tex would be a huge mistake. They need to try and acquire young, power bats, not old expensive ones. Targeting a player like Fielder, for example, would make a lot of sense because he’s what they need and he is likely available. They need to make some definitive moves to change up the punc-and-judy hitters that they seem to have collected. They need to do this before they lose control of the the young pitching that has been accumulated.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
28 year old sluggers aren’t young? I mean I don’t believe that anyone should be signed to a 10 year contract, but Mark Texeria is the definition of a slugger entering his prime.
by dogdays on Sep 12, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex doesn’t meet the definition due to his 10 year contract demands that will be prohibitively expensive.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 12, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok say Fielder.
So now you have a power hitting first baseman. A position non Sabean Gm’s tend to be able to fill rather easily so you have an even smaller group of interested parties if you need to move hima long. Something that will eventually have to be done. You have a couple years of his batting Left handed in Mays Field ( rather tough on lefties) and away from a Miller Park that inflates Hitters numbers thus shrinking the pool of intrest parties even farther. Also his odds of being a Type "A" free agent drop dramatically if the team needs to move along in a couple years. So no help there.
The team could now need fill the front of the rotation hole? You drop 20MM + / per year on a C.C. or Johan type? Then we are back to needing to staff 20+ active roster spots with 1MM-2MM a spot. Hello to leading the league in Ochoa clones.
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by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
long thread is long
I’m with the stand pat crowd.
We need to see what we have, as I’m not sure whether a lot of our youngish guys are mlb quality. IF by some miracle, we’re still in it by the AS break make a trade to fill whatever holes we have.
Oh yeah, I would make some 1-year deals with mediocre starting pitchers so that our fans don’t have to watch any Matt Palmer starts next year. Maybe big, fat Bartolo Colon or similar.
Travis Denker can hit a little. That's why I drive his bus.
by oldjacket on Sep 12, 2008 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Slightly off topic…
Any one think most of this yeas Conn. Rotation does not move up to Fresno? If for no other reason open slots for movement out of "A" ball?
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by daveinexile on Sep 12, 2008 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm mostly with the stand pat crowd...
The one move that I really agree with is getting rid of Roberts. He seems like a nice guy, but there is absolutely no reason in hell that he should be in the lineup with Shierholtz on the bench.
There are two guys that I would definitely look into:
1. Joe Crede
2. Rafael Furcal
Both of these guys are coming off of injuries with the potential to be signed for cheap. Perhaps Rowand can still have some pull from his playing days with Joe, and can convince him to sign here for cheap.
If we do stand pat, I’d like to see us give this lineup a try.
1. Burriss SS
2. Winn LF
3. Sandoval 3B
4. Molina C
5. Shierholtz RF
6. Rowand CF
7. Ishikawa 1B
8. Frandsen 2B
Let lewis backup all 3 outfield spots. If Furcal is signed, swap him for Burriss. If we sign Crede, move Sandoval to 1B and bat him in Ishikawa’s spot.
I’d really like to see us give Burriss a shot at leadoff. He seems to have fixed some of the slappyness to his swing, and could make some things happen in the leadoff spot.
A lot has been said about playing Sandoval at 3B. I’d like to see us give him a shot next year. He has soft hands, a good arm, and is pretty quick for a big guy. Its amazing that he has played it as well as he has with his experience level. Frankly, we won’t be contending next year so if his glove costs us some games while he gets experience, who cares.
by Suckabus on Sep 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, I didn’t realize Crede’s season had gone SO RIDICULOUSLY FAR down the crapper.
With chronic back problems, I want none of that career .306 OBP over nearly 3000 well sampled at bats.
Furcal’s not bad. He’s not great, but he’s not bad. He also won’t come cheap. At least, not as far as I believe. He’d probably be better than Burriss. My acceptance of signing him depends entirely on the contract.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort as agree with you on Furcal.
Cheap and short well? Ok..I guess .. Sort of. I rather like the looks of next winters possible free agent market. A few of our kids prove/ disprove themselves in ‘09 and there is a real chance to get a decent vet to plug a hole without hand cuffing the team for several years.
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by daveinexile on Sep 13, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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