Don't Want to Jinx it....
and plus the fact I donno how to post a fanshot. Webb had another terrible outting with his 3.1 innings, 11 base runners and 6 earned runs. That's 2 bad outtings in a row (and thus killing my fantasy team, like he cares). He now has an ERA over 3 with a 3.19 ERA, and I know personal records don't mean as much as team records but if Timmy can get this Cy Young, I feel his chances of resigning with the Giants are much higher. So... Can he do it?
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Timmy has no chance for a Cy Young
I was watching ESPN last night and they said the Cy Young award was a duel between Brandon Webb and CC Sabathia. Tim’s name never came up. That’s why I rarely watch ESPN these days.
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by rxmeister on Sep 1, 2008 6:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If CC had pitched a entire season in the nl he would be a lock, but with like 15 starts i dont think you can overlook Webb and Lincecum. Tough luck for CC because he has had a great year. I also think Webb will win unless he has 2 or 3 more of these kind of starts, but no doubt Lincecum deserves it.
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by CB30 on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC no CY?
I wouldn’t rule out CC, although like Tim, he has been coming from behind in the Cy race.
I figured the formula for Tim would be to keep doing what he has been doing and have Brandon have two or three visible collapse games down the stretch. Little did I know that two of them would come in Brandon’s next two starts.
Prior to Brandon’s last two starts, I sent an e-mail that it was possible Tim and CC might wind up being the two best pitchers in the majors — and yet neither would win a Cy Young Award.
Awards are important in that they factor into how players are ultimately viewed, but the most important thing is for Tim to keep up his great pitching. Right now the strongest argument for him would be that his ERA is as low as anyone’s, that he leads the majors in strikeouts (although CC is now only two behind him), that he has left with leads in six games in which he didn’t receive a decision, that the Giants have scored only two runs total in his three losses and that while he is four wins short of Webb, he also has three fewer losses.
The award was Webb’s to lose — and while Brandon certainly hasn’t lost it, he has provided an opening for both Tim and for CC. I can’t imagine anyone aside from that trio winning the award, but a strong case can be made for any of the three. In reality, Webb may be the weakest candidate of the three, but because of the heavy importance placed on wins by the voters, I would still say he is the favorite entering the stretch.
To some degree, it truly DOES come down to the month of September, just as it ideally should.
by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do C.C. and U.S. female gymnasts have in common?
They’re both filing for awards after the fact and probably won’t ever let it go.
He could have a legit case for the Cy Young, but if his arm falls off in September Ned Yost will have to rearrange his last name with a few new letters.
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by sectionop92 on Sep 1, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really deserves it
The stats the Cy Young voters will look at (all rankings NL-only):
Wins: 4th
Strikeouts: 1st (by far)
ERA: 1st
The stats casually serious baseball fans will look at:
WHIP: 10th (only 10th? Oh wait your K rate is insane, who cares)
HR/9: really really really small
BABIP: .308 (it’s not a fluke! wahoo!!!)
OPS against: 1st
VORPie stats:
VORP: 1st
DIPS: 1st
Too bad nobody outside of the Bay Area notices that Lincecum is a few lucky wins away from winning the freaking pitching triple crown in his SECOND SEASON.
Pitch a perfect game tomorrow, Tim, just to show up CC’s no-hitter-or-not-it-was-his-own-damn-“error” and secure your rightful place as the Cy Young favorite. Pretty please.
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by samlet on Sep 1, 2008 6:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
- in WPA (4.71, Santana 3.04, Webb 3.00, Dempster 2.90, Sabathia 2.87)
- in WPA/LI (3.18, Hamels 3.11, Dempster 2.91, Santana 2.89, Haren 2.84)
Think the CY Voters are going to say “Damn, kid’s good and how could he be expected to win with that crappy SF offense.”
He’s also got the fewest losses of an 14-game winner… “Poor kid’s lost a lot of games to that sketchy SF bullpen.”
No way you can give it to Sabathia when he spent 2+ months in the other league.
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by S.F. Giangst on Sep 1, 2008 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah!
I had forgotten how good Hamels has been this year.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 1, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its just me.
For playing on the east coast it kind of amazes me how little "love" Hammels gets on ESPN and it ilk. They don’t down right disrespect him yet to me it always seems like he is mentioned more like a foot note less as a headliner. I do know if i see him on the hill the surfing stops in my house.
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by daveinexile on Sep 1, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a WINNER
If he was a winner then he’d be winning games, which he’s not.
What a not-winner.
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by groug on Sep 1, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC could win it
in 1984 Rick Sutcliffe won the NL Cy Young after getting traded from the Indians to the Cubs midseason. He started only 20 games for the Cubs and went 16-1 and led them to the NL East title.
CC has 11 starts for the Brewers and could get 6 or 7 more, so it wouldn’t be without precedent for him to get the award. Right now, he has an ERA+ of 302(!) in 88 innings for the Brewers. He could win the NL award and I wouldn’t put it past the voters to give it to him because they’ll give him credit for doing it in a playoff race.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 1, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim’s going to need to finish ridiculously well to even get the attention of voters, it seems, which is ridiculous. That said, I hope no one’s really mentioning Webb as a legitimate candidate anymore. He had a good year, but his ERA is no longer CY quality. And you have to think the writers won’t want to give it to him for falling apart when his team needs him the most.
Then again, that will probably just lead them to give it to Sabathia.
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by jponry on Sep 1, 2008 6:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m wondering why nobody is mentioning that at this point CC has only been in the NL for about seven weeks. Should that qualify you to even be mentioned as the best pitcher in the league for the entire season?? Perhaps if Tim falters and Brandon continues to falter, while Sabathia puts up another undefeated month you might consider him, but everyone else would have to be pretty bad for you to give the award to someone who was in the other league for more than half the season.
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by rxmeister on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Mac
Not the same award, but in 1959 Willie McCovey won the NL Rookie of the Year Award despite being a major leaguer for only two months.
I think it may well boil down to who has the most impressive September.
If Brandon Webb is hot and wins up with 22 or 23 wins and gets his ERA below three, his two late-August bobbles will likely be forgotten.
If Tim doesn’t lose another game, continues to lower his ERA and winds up with say 18 wins and has the most strikeouts in the majors and sets an SF Giants record in the process (which would take 251 whiffs to tie Jason Schmidt), he becomes a tough guy to vote against.
And if CC continues his whirlwind run through the NL and winds up leading the majors in strikeouts, he could be remembered for putting one of the top stretch runs of all time.
I think Tim is in better position now than he has been in since very early in the season. The Giants have actually given him about a run and a half more per nine innings than they have given their other pitchers. Only their bullpen has let him down — and of course he didn’t get much of a break from Gary Darling, who himself balked when he called a game-deciding balk on Tim.
by sharksrog on Sep 1, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me like there’s just some sort of general “Giants fatigue” throughout the industry this year — like everybody was so disgusted at having been forced to cover the Bonds march last year that now the mere mention of “San Francisco Giants” fills them with revulsion and nausea. Sort of like that beer you can never drink again because it was the first alcohol that ever made you puke (Miller High Life for me). And apparently it’s not just reporters, either, because it’s hard for me to understand why nobody thinks Rich Aurilia could be a useful bench player unless GMs are being afflicted by this malady as well.
However, I do have to question Azmanz’s basic premise that winning the Cy Young Award would enhance the Giants chances of resigning Lincecum long term. To be honest I’m not sure that I see any link between the two. But just to check my assumptions, I went back to 1980 and looked at all the young players who won Cy Youngs with their “parent organization” prior to qualifying for free agency. I believe that includes the following pitchers:
LaMarr Hoyt
Brett Saberhagen
Roger Clemens
Frank Viola
Jack McDowell
Pat Hentgen
Barry Zito
Roy Halladay
CC Sabathia
Fernando Valenzuela
Dwight Gooden
Orel Hershiser
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Eric Gagne
Jake Peavy
And then let’s add to that group a second, made up of young players who won the Cy Young, not with the organization that drafted them, but with a second team that acquired them after no or very little major league time with their parent club:
Randy Johnson
Johan Santana
Doug Drabek
Pedro Martinez.
That’s 20 pitchers. By my count, 8 of them ended up signing contract extensions with their parent organization (Fernando, Gooden, Hershiser, Glavine, Peavy, Clemens, Hentgen, and Halladay). 6 of them filed for FA when the time came and signed with a new team (Hoyt, Zito, Maddux, Gagne, Drabek, and Pedro), and 5 of them were traded prior to qualifying for FA when contract extension negotiations broke down or in Viola and McDowells case, became so antagonistic and public that the team just wanted to be rid of them (Viola, McDowell, RJ, Santana, Sabathia). And finally there’s one player that I just can’t remember the circumstances of and can’t find evidence on: Brett Saberhagen. He played most of 8 season for KC before being traded to the Mets (by which time he was already bothered by shoulder troubles). It seems likely that he had signed an extension with KC and then was traded when his performance dropped low enough to make his $2mil salary onerous, but I can’t find any definite evidence that this was true.
So, it looks like 9 stayed on and 11 left. Which leads me back to my initial suspicions — the award the contract have no direct correlative relationship. If things stay cordial, deals can get done, but there’s no strong likelihood that they will. Apparently Timmy’s agent has already gone on record as saying that they’re not going to buy out his arb years, and will play one-year contracts one after another which isn’t a particularly good omen (as it means there’s the potential for 4 years of rancor to build up) but doesn’t mean that they can’t develop trust and respect during that time.
Oh and for anyone who wonders about Brandon Webb, I didn’t include him in the list because he actually signed his contract extension the winter before winning the Cy Young (though his agent was smart enough to put in significant CY vote incentive clauses).
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by Roger on Sep 1, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
look who made the list, the albatross himself
I’ll say it again, what happened????
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by CB30 on Sep 1, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant was..
If he wins Cy Young with the Giants, I think he will have a HIGHER chance of resigning. If he gets close, but never wins it with us for the next 3 years because of wins, he will likely leave. But if he were to win one, I think that would help immensely. Also, if we were to shut him down early and take away his chance for Cy Young, I would guess he would leave ASAP.
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by Azmanz on Sep 1, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over on the left, right where it says “New FanPost,” instead of clicking that, click the link directly beneath it that says “New FanShot.”
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by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, this already was a FanShot.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/31/605232/webb-roughed-up-against-do
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by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you post a fanshot..
do you have to link something? That screen confused me, and I was a little under the influence so I gave up easily.
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by Azmanz on Sep 1, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can post one of five things: a link, a quote, an image, a video, a list, or a chat, which is probably what you’d want to use for a topic like this.
by Natto on Sep 1, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sorry. I should have realized that was the trouble. Yeah, like Natto said, depending on what you want to post (link, video, thought, etc.) there’s a corresponding link for it on the top of the “text” box.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a fanshot is like a tree falling in the forest with nobody around to hear it. This should be a fanpost anyway, because at least it’s about baseball. No offense to the other fan posts and the posters who wrote them, but if we can have fanposts about Omar’s artwork and zooperstars, we can certainly have a fanpost about Brandon Webb and Tim’s chances of winning the Cy Young.
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by rxmeister on Sep 1, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to my curtness above, Azmanz did a fine job of making this a FanPost. Relevant information and no filler = generally dandy in my book.
I only pointed to the FanShot stuff because Azmanz seems to have originally wanted to make this one to begin with.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redundancy FTW! (… originally… to begin with).
Now that’s style.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 1, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by S.F. Giangst on Sep 1, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By saying “don’t want to jinx it”, you’ve already jinxed it. Thanks a lot, man.
by Natto on Sep 1, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was knocking on my desk
the whole time I wrote this. I hope that helps.
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by Azmanz on Sep 1, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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