Lincecum and Rush
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:30 PM PDT
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PrintSo, if you didn't know, there is an epic Rush debate going on in the McCovey Chronicles Prospect Night Thread. As I was listening to Tom Sawyer at my desk twidling my thumbs due to the slowness of the day, I decided to rewrite the song about Timmy. It couldn't just sit in that thread, I had to post it.
A modern-day warrior
who throws 95,
Today’s starting pitcher,
Mean mean pride.
Though he looks as if he nine,
He’ll get you swinging every time.
His windup, mechanics so fine,
Might as well just grab some pine.
Lin-ce-cum
You know this kids got the pedigree
Been working on his stuff since he was three.
Modern day legend, he’s no myth
You just cant hit him, catch the drift?
His curve is, his curve is,
sharp and it buckles knees,
come on, have another try….
Todays Nolan Ryan,
He throws strikes on you,
And the zone he invades
He waves “bye bye” to you.
No, his arm is never spent
so Barbieri likes to vent,
To be the greatest, his one intent,
He'll blow the mustache off Jeff Kent,
Go Tim-my
Yea his ERA is under three
Best pitcher alive, we’d all agree.
Gets Martin, Pujols and Holiday,
Lookin' like children, come and play.
The league is, the league is,
on its respective knees,
Go ahead, Connor Jackson, cry…
Exit the warrior,
better hire a lawyer
He throws strikes on you,
leaves with 13 K’s,
He gets right through, recievin’ Cy Young’s like bouquets.
Slow Day at work... and I'm pretty proud of that.
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looks like you put an extra “the” in there, it’s okay, we all make mistakes. :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
HA
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you still suck
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how the anti rush support is usually
Rush Sucks.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
Aside from Metallica, Rush is my favorite band
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
umm
my guess is they sobered up.
yeah i heard about unforgiven III. I’ll wait until Death Magnetic comes out before I make my decision, but it feels like they’ve just mailed things in at this point and are just trying to milk every dollar possible.
That being said, ...AJFA and MOP is some of the best compilation of music I have ever heard.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah i have RTL- Justice on vinyl and obviously those are the cream of the crop for them but everything after that has been worse and worse
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
disagree, vehemently
IMO, MOP was the last listenable album. KEA and RTL were also great, but in different ways. Maybe you had to be there… ;-)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
agreed for 2 exceptions
The Black album, while certainly a mainstream concession, has some fantastic songs on it, IMO.
And I also LOVED, LOVED S&M.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 for S&M
But I’m a whore for orchestral music anyway. The bassoon solo at the beginning of Battery is head explodingly awesome.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Metallica fan or no...
if you haven’t yet you really really need to see “Some Kind of Monster,” the documentary about Metallica in therapy. If only to see Dave Mustaine cry.
Disfrute Los Gigantes every day at www.leftymalo.com
top 10 movie moments ever, for sure
and yeah, a great documentary. it explains a lot of why st. anger sucked so much. apparently not drinking makes your voice change and makes your drummer use tin cans for drums.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That movie
was INCREDIBLE. I couldn’t get over the sight of James Hetfield at his daughter’s dance recital. Or the super-awkward scene where Lars and Kirk go see Jason Newstead playing with his new band.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
you gotta read The Monster Lives for the background info on that event and making of the movie.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Justice is the greatest metal album of all time….and that’s with the bass turned down!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Flotsam And Jetsam
So apparently when I saw therm at the Mason Jar in Phowenix in the early Eighties I saw the pre – Metallica Newsted?
I’ve never unwrapped my vinyl KEA but AJFA got a lot of rotation. My girlfriend at the time used to get annoyed when I vocally imitated Hammett’s intro to “Shortest Straw”.
There’s a book called “Johnny Got His Gun”. It’s written from the point of view of a WW1 soldier who…well , I’ll give you “One” guess…heavy reading.
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
i rilly liked F&J
before Newstead joined Metallica! (I’m not saying i’m old school, just old!)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Rush is not your favorite band.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
well...
we could delve into why prog-rock is soulless music but its a lot easier to spurt out rush sucks. To me, Getty Lee is as brutal and grating as a lead singer could be. Its a matter of taste but i can’t imagine my brain firing in a way where rush would even be palatable.
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
He takes some getting used to
I can agree with you on that.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah i used to hate them
they’re like coffee or booze. to get to like it, you have to keep trying it until one day you realize, “hey this is pretty good stuff!”
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
ya, maybe actual crap has an aquired tatse as well?
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Aug 8, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
"Stereo Review" magazine
once compared Lee’s vocals to those of “A guinea pig on amphetamines.”
Included in my “desert island” collection: “A Show Of Hands”.
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The song is about
”...a portrait of a modern day rebel, a free-spirited individualist striding through the world wide-eyed and purposeful. I added the themes of reconciling the boy and man in myself, and the difference between what people are and what others perceive them to be”
Sounded very Lincecum to me.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:50 PM PDT reply actions
sounds like Bonds.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
When Matt Williams was with the Blanks I SO tired of that intro.
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 Rush=f'in awesome
Haters to the left. Though I guess everyone gets one of those “I hate Band X” things. I for one can’t stand Pink Floyd and everyone is all OMGWTFBBQ at me when I say that.
Also an outstanding effort by Angel.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
OH YES I WENT THERE
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
DID YOU KNOW
THAT IF YOU SYNC FLOYD WITH OZ IT SYNCHES UP!? OMFG!
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the prision show...
Although I bet some one has attempted.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
omgnowai
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
MY SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD SELF WOULD BE A LOT MORE PUT OUT ABOUT THIS
I do still love the Floyd though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Careful with that axe , Eugene."
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
Red Hot Chili Peppers is my “I hate band X”. Yick. One of the most overrated bands ever.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too!
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa
Anthony Kiedis is awful but John Frusciante is a genius, Flea is B+ bass player (at worst!), and Chad Smith is around Steve Kline’s “pretty ok” status
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
Good Giants reference...
But their mainstreams songs all sound strikingly similar to me. I dont hate the artists, but I’m over the RHCP all up on my radio biz.
Funny note: I was going out with this really strikingly gorgeous girl, we were driving home for dinner after our third date, things were going great. Snow came up on the radio, and I made a giant “uuuuuuuughhhhh”, reminiscent of a Castillo GIDP. She said “what, you dont like the Chili Peppers?” And I gave the, “Well, they definitely aren’t my favorite”
Turns out she had been to like the last 5 RHCP concerts in the area, including a trip to PHI and NY to see them play on consecutive nights. Lets just say I dropped her off on the porch, and she never called me again. FU RHCP!
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
fair enough
but do yourself a favor and check out John Frusciante’s “Will to death” and “Shadows Collide With People”. If you don’t mind some Sonic Youth style noise they’re great records. By the Way is the true gem of rhcp in my eyes.
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
RHCP
I don’t listen to them much, because the radio pretty much plays them to death, but to me it’s amazing that a band that’s been around for about 25 years is still selling records like crazy to teenage kids. How many bands have stayed so successful for so long??
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
Rush?
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
;)
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I like their earlier stuff a lot better, I’ll admit.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about the Red Hot Chili Peppers, not Rush. When’s the last time Rush had a hit??
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
I am also talking about RHCP here.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Flea=good
the band’s music…not so much.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
um excuse me?
Flea a B+? Flea is arguably the most talented in the group. I know of only one bassist better than him. And Chad Smith is also an excellent drummer. It’s kinda tough to show your talent when your playing that style of music. Kiedis is pretty shitty, though.
i love flea and chad
but flea has even said that frusciante is the most talented member of the band.
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
+1
on a scale of 10 RHCP gets a 6, with +8 from Frusciante and a -7 from Kiedis.
you can't block the Bocock
everyone gets one of those "I hate Band X" things
Well, look, if we’re going to go there, can I get any support for the thesis “Radiohead = Most Overrated Band of All Time Except Possibly the Doors”? Almost everyone I know worships this band, but after ten years of trying to care, I still nod off every time I listen to them.
bends = good
Hail to the Thief = pretty good.
everything else = SUCKS!
the doors are pretty overrated to. They’re good, but rather overrated.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 8, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a radiohead guy.
and in rainbows is a pretty great “chill out” cd. They are hit or miss though.
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok Computer is still great after listening to it a thousand times over the years
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by joeytothelimit on Aug 8, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy Radiohead. I’m definitely not OMFG about them, but I like a lot of their stuff.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 8, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hee hee
Anagram for MR MOJO RISIN’ – JIM MORRISON
Apologies to Mr. T-T-Tamargo
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I got incredibly sick of every Doors album after about two listens.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
Wait, I only get to hate one Band X?
That’s not gonna work for me. I hate Journey, Styx, Supertramp, and most bands that sound anything like them. Rush is terrible, and prog rock sucks something awful. Coheed and Cambria shouldn’t have happened. Most, MOST, of the 80’s shouldn’t have happened.
Radiohead, The Doors and Pink Floyd are all pretty good when you’re on a lot of drugs. Radiohead is the only one that stands up decently while sober.
And, just to piss more people off, I sure do like that Bright Eyes.
"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.
by thecrippesking on Aug 11, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You hate Journey? I go cry now.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I always get shit for that. I really just never got that band, and why everyone seems to like them. I just can’t.
"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.
by thecrippesking on Aug 11, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh… fucking Bright Eyes…
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't listen to them
Even crappy music needs love.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Most, MOST, of the 80’s shouldn’t have happened.
I cannot take seriously anything you say, ever again.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Musically it was the worst decade
Now, this is one guy’s opinion, but I stand by it. Frankly, there was some great cinema in there, but the music was just bad, for the most part.
But, I wouldn’t blame you for taking nothing seriously from me, most of the stuff coming from me is nonsense.
"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.
by thecrippesking on Aug 11, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Do I really need to compile a list of all-time, super great, undisputably awesome records from 80-89? I will, cuz I’m bored at work and have a fast cnxn….
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Here's a jumping-off point
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/36736-top-100-albums-of-the-1980s
Not that I necessarily agree with many of those picks, it’s just a point of reference.
For god’s sake, man, the ‘80s saw the birth of hip hop! I can think of 10 near-perfect hip-hop records right off the top of my head!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
FAIL
this decade isn’t even over yet and it’s already the worst decade of music
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
IMHO
Everything made today has already been done. There’s nothing original that I’m hearing.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 12, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
people have been saying that for 50 years
and they haven’t been right yet
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I think
it’s a function of your age. The older you are, the more music (and eras of music) you’ve been exposed to, the better able you are to hear influences from the past.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
I don’t think that holds, especially when you consider a lot of the various drone and ‘noise’ albums that have been produced this decade. You could say that for some Black Metal albums (surprisingly enough), and some funeral doom and neo-psych (particularly out of Japan and Finland).
As for the drone music, sure one can refer to the Taj Mahal Travelers, and their use of ancient eastern music-but three is certainly work of this decade is significantly different, if not entirely new. Nothing is entirely new, but thats a false standard to hold.
Very nice job
I saw Rush live for both the “Power Windows” and “Roll the Bones” tours, so there will be no hate from me. Just love.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
you either like them or hate them
with rush there is not in between. rush fans are very defensive, trust me i am as big a rush fan as there is. where else can you find a band that has been together for over 30 years, every album has gone at least gold (i think only second to like the beatles or elvis or somebody like that) and most have gone platinum. but they are an acquired taste. rush is not your typical sellout band, meaning they don’t write songs just to sell albums. they are as appreciative to their fans as a band gets. they continue to strive to write better and better songs. they don’t write stuff for radio or MTV. you won’t find them on your local alternative rock station. they put out a new album and you wouldn’t even know it. but they continue to rock for 3 hrs every show!!!! neil still is one of the greatest drummers of all time, that is not arguable. i am not saying he is the best, but he is top 5 and that is saying something considering the company he would keep.
geddy’s voice is, again, you love or hate it. personally, i like the screaming. today everybody wants to sing deep and raspy. hell even our lead singer has that. its ok, but geddy is in a world of his own. alex is one of the most underrated guitarists. his music writing is underestimated and under appreciative. if you don’t like the opening to the spirit of radio (which got me hooked) then nothing will please you.
bottom line is you won’t get an argument to be a rush fan. if aren’t by now, then you won’t be. but to say they just flat out “suck” then to me you just like “popular” music. i can respect anybody for writing music. it is difficult. and today music, like sports, is such a business that, again like sports, the business gets in the way of the pure enjoyment of the sport or the song. that fact that somebody has written a beautiful piece of music gets lost because it is not “radio worthy” or it won’t sell CDs or MP3s. to me that is sad. music and sports should be for fun, not money. save the money for the oil companies.
www.myspace.com/cynemamusic.com
to say they just flat out "suck" then to me you just like "popular" music.
abject failure
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
to say they just flat out “suck” then to me you just like “popular” music.
objective success!
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
what they said i mean....
i need to work on thinking before i post haha
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
actually
I am completely lukewarm on them. I think they are good considering the attention they’ve gathered though the years, and a decent late prog band, but blow out of the water by some of the late sixties, early seventies european prog, and some krautrock (though it isn’t fair to compare them to a krautrock band). They are good, but not particularly brilliant or creative; just solid.
that is, ‘blown out of the water’.
(you are right though, that were someone to say they flat out suck and mean it, they are probably a top 40 fan).
because this is the direct opposite of Rush and nothing on top 40 radio can qualify as such
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
They have all that technical ability, but to my ears, they make music that is profoundly dull and boring. All the technical ability in the world does not automatically make a band great or even good. I believe I gave Rush a very fair chance. I wanted to like them, I felt like I should like them, but there was nothing about them that ever managed to appealed to me. I strongly dislike listening to their music. They bore the hell out of me. Therefore, to me, they flat out suck.
It’s my personal opinion and I understand that there are many of those who would disagree with me. I was never presenting my opinion as fact or anything (come on, Rush fans just get so defensive, it’s fun to rile them up a bit).
And I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that if you don’t think Rush is any good, you must only listen to Hannah Montana or the Jonas Brothers or whatever other crap is permeating the airwaves these days. There’s a wide variety of music out there, it’s not a choice between RUSH or Top 40. I don’t think I listen to anything that could be qualified as top 40. I even used to listen to a LOT of prog, but try as I might, Rush never came close to appealing to me at the same level as King Crimson or what have you. (I don’t like prog much anymore though.)
That said, I think Geddy is pretty cool for being all into baseball and shit. And YYZ is a pretty cool song.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I’m more or less with you, though I think you are using ‘flat out suck’ indiscriminately. I’m also more or less in the same boat, as I tend to find them boring, and the interesting moments usually don’t justify the whole for me. But I can see what they are trying to do, and in part they pull it off-moments again- and they can clearly play—all of which keeps me from saying they are bad or worse.
My problem is with the ‘They bore the hell out of me. therefore to me they flat out suck. The ‘to me’ makes the statement go in two different directions: you can either elide the ‘to me’ and take the statement as an aesthetic judgment (which, on most accounts, is about the object, not you); or focus on the ‘two me’, which reduces to preference. Ultimately, the distinction is collapsed, and preference is presented as aesthetic judgment—which is an opinion of fact (the object).
This is where it isn’t ridiculous to suggest that if one thinks they suck, they are likely a top 40 person: suck is in this case an aesthetic judgment of the object. The musicianship is good, there is an idea to it-and it isn’t foolish-, and they are trying to do something interesting (whether or not they succeed), they are somewhat creative (relative to much that is out there, though by an absolute measure they aren’t much so). If these and similar things are are contested, it is likely by a top 40 fan.
That is what I was getting on about, at least.
I think you’re being too formalistic here (structuralistic? whatever the hell the one is where things fall into neat categories).
You make the very convenient distinction that preference = aesthetic judgement, but this isn’t really true at all except in the most base sort of way. The problem is that preference IS an aesthetic judgement, but it is NOT aesthetic judgement itself.
A square is a rectangle, for instance, but a square does not represent the totality of rectangles.
Your deconstruction is flawed on this level, in my opinion. You see a square (jponry’s individual preference), and you interpret it as the concept of the rectangle itself (the whole of her aesthetic capacity). In reality, as I see it, there is a square (jponry’s individual preference), and it exists as a single actualization of the concept of the rectangle (a single judgement derived from the whole of jponry’s aesthetic capacity), when in fact there are countless unique ways for the concept of the rectangle to be actualized, many of which are not squares.
Analogy over.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 9, 2008 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither Formalist, or Structuralist,
actually, you misread me as I am saying something similar else (the distinction I made in is service of distinguishing the act, and that which is acted upon.
And the attempted analogy based on the relation of a square and a rectangle doesn’t apply. The distinction I made has nothing to do with jponry’s particular taste, in minutiae, or at the level of the whole. Rather, the distinction I made is purely a matter of reference: I j think jpornry is unintentionally collapsing a valid distinction (that between what one ‘likes’-which is typically tied to preference rather than a qualitative hierarchy-which an aesthetic judgment such as ‘what it seen to be good’ is. Of course the two can coincide, but they do not have to: I think the pixies are a ‘good’ bad, however I do not like them, and do not enjoy their music.
ack, I really need to proofread.
should start:
Neither Formalist (usually an art term) nor Structuralist (typically a mid 20th century element of French philosophy),
Actually, you misread me, as I am saying something similar to your second paragraph, and the distinction I am making is something else entirely.
Yeah, after I wrote it I meat to erase the first line because I knew it meant nothing, but I forgot to.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 9, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Rush write that analogy?
Freaking ROCKED, dude. You can make a rectangle out of a polygon with two sides of 2 and two sides of 1, too. Peart!
I mean seriously, dude, LOL OVERANALYZING MY HATRED OF RUSH.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Changed line 4 in verse six...
Million times better.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
Great Work Angel
I think that was the most boring thing I’ve partially read in my life.
But I applaud your manlove for the enchanter.
guess it looses a bit.
from the in my head version to the text version
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 8, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever listened to Working Man...on weed?
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 8, 2008 4:37 PM PDT reply actions
angel:
analog kid?
or digital man?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 8, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
Rush is banned from Giants baseball
Don’t blame me, Herges ruined it for everyone.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Tom Sawyer
Not exactly the most intimidating song in the world…...
Heck, Celine Dion would probably strike more fear in the hearts of men….
Tommy Lasorda HATES GIANTSBOARD.COM
Why not the intro to Working Man?
Either that or Subdivisions… there’s a real terror-maker.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Aug 9, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Mitchell......on the tube
Jogged my memory
July 4th weekend 1987
On vacation with the Family in Tahoe…..
We get Dravecky, Mitchell, and Lefferts…..
My older brother exposes me to my first Rush….. Cygnus X1
All in all a good weekend =)
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Okay.
Here are the rules of this site:
Rush is optional. I like them, but I understand why some don’t.
Radiohead is not optional. You love them.
Red Hot Chili Peppers absolutely suck. Anthony Kiedis is a tone-deaf gibbon. Frusciante and Flea can come up with interesting things, but the vocals ruin it all.
Metallica: Kill ‘em All – A, Ride the Lightning- A, Master of Puppets – A++, ...And Justice For All – A, Black Album – B-, everything else- F-
Flotsam and Jetsam: Meh. But Newstead also played with Voivod, which is super cool. I have Angel Rat in my car right now.
Please conform your musical tastes to mine, or you risk total bannination. Thank you.
Your musical tastes are very white. :)
I have set Dave Roberts free; if he comes back, it was meant to be.
See Grant, I told you a token Ice Cube reference wouldn’t improve your street cred.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 9, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah. I’m pretty well-rounded. I was just referencing the bands mentioned in this thread. I grew up listening to Too Short, Ice-T, and N.W.A., and I’m still pretty big into hip hop.
From Abba to Zappa, and all points in between.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 10, 2008 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Grant = Me
And I know Grant is an Andrew Bird fan… You don’t find too many “Sovay” fans out there.
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 9, 2008 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I gets rec'd again?
Yay. I’m starting to feel like an actual part of this blog. Thanks.
I have to say, you writers on McC have gotten me through alot of things, When my Grandpa (who was a Seal BTW) passed away, I really had no one to talk with about the Giants (My dad is a huuuuge fan (he named me after Matt Nokes and my brother after Robbie Thompson) but he’s too busy to really discuss Giants nuances). I miss him (Gpa), and you all really help fill the void. I still have his Seal’s jersey too, it survived the moth balls…. maybe I’ll wear it to the McC night next saturday at the SJ Giants game.
So in closing, thanks.
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 9, 2008 3:06 AM PDT reply actions
Having a grandpa who’s an ex-Seal is cool. That would be chick magnetism.
Admitting your a Rush fanboy, that’s an old standby geek admission. That would be chick repellent. Trust me – I know.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 9, 2008 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Noted.
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 9, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Historically significant jerseys=A+
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 9, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
There, now I’ve done both of these exactly one time. My quota is officially filled.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 9, 2008 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Geddy Lee can't sing anymore
Unless he was really, really suffering from a virus or something, when he was on the Colbert Report he had no kind of range at all. Toast.
However, Neil Peart still has many, many drums and is part octopus.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
What Rush Means to Me
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should.
what a retarded statement
that basically sums up all Top 40 music. most acts these days don’t write their own music. hell american idol has made gagillions of dollars to prove that fact. i challenge anybody to pick up a bass and play it like geddy lee. or sit behind the neil’s drumkit and not make a mistake for a HR show. for a three-piece band they are as loud as any other three-piece. i realize loud does not equal good or great, but you can still hear every snare, high-hat, tom, bass line, guitar riff, you name it. of course geddy doesn’t sing the best anymore, he’s been doing it for over 30YEARS. but mick jagger has proven that you don’t have to be a great singer to be successful. the stones are one of the most overrated, overplayed bands in history. just listen to the song “shattered”. saying shattered for 4mins a good song this does not make.
and those who don’t like geddy in the early days sure loved robert plant of zeppelin. both high-pitched singers, one loved by everybody, the other mocked. also, to others who have posted, my statement about only liking Top 40 hits, was based solely around no appreciation for the art that is writing music. i may not like bands, but i respect the hell out of anybody. try to put a good vocal harmony to a bass doing one thing, the guitar doing something else and neil’s eccentric drumming. then put some lyrics behind it that mean something. whether it is about an ayn rand book, tragedies in your life that are tough to deal with, and for the most part stay away from the obvious political references. its not easy.
if you don’t like their music, i am ok with that, but to not have any major radio play, be from canada and have been in the top 10 of total albums sold WORLDWIDE and do it over a 30year span, that is freaking impressive. don’t like the music, but respect the band.
www.myspace.com/cynemamusic.com
by Cynema the Band on Aug 11, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
they are horrible
deal with it. but i respect that they have sold a ton of records and have done it for a long time.
www.myspace.com/cynemamusic.com
by Cynema the Band on Aug 11, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm not a fan
at least not of anything they’ve done in 30 years. I just think it’s funny that you berate someone above for insulting Rush, then you do the exact same thing to the Stones.
Rock on!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Some Girls
was their last really good album (yeah…I said album, kids!)
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
a pill-popping, hatred-spewing, reactionary former footbal analyst
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
i'm not sure how good that game is
but i played the shit out of it when i was a kid
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 10, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Geoffrey Rush?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 9, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that was awesome!
Fuck going onto blogs just to declare a band to be shitty. That was an absolutely awesome satire. Well done!
I was worried for a second you meant Limbaugh and I might have to test my Timmah fandom to the very limit.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
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