Powerage
by Grant on Aug 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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Note: This post was planned before the Giants took two of three from the Braves. Hooray for series wins! The following grumbling has nothing to do with the last series.
There are 118 players in baseball with more home runs than the Giants' team leader.
The Giants are on pace to hit 90 home runs as a team, which would make them the first team to finish under 100 home runs since the Marlins were an expansion team.
The Giants haven't had a home run from a shortstop this season, and that probably won't change. That probably isn't a record, but it must be an extreme rarity in modern baseball to have an entire position go oh-fer-the-season.
It took 113 games for the Giants to have a hitter with 10 home runs.
If the Giants really, really wanted to focus on power over the offseason, they could look at the following free agents:
Joe Crede
Adam Dunn
Carlos Delgado
Troy Glaus (if he opts out)
Manny Ramirez
C.C. Sabathia
Mark Teixeira
To which of those players do you give a three-year deal? Dunn, maybe. Glaus, maybe. Teixeira, for sure. It's a trick question, though, as all of those players (with the exception of Delgado) will probably get at least four-year deals. Even if you can forget that minor detail, all of these players have serious warts. The offensive contributions by Burrell, Dunn, and Ramirez are diminished by their awful defense. Delgado's awful first half was more likely a warning sign than a fluke, and Mays Field would eat him alive. Crede isn't barely acceptable out of Comiskey, and Glaus isn't a good bet for anything over 300 at-bats. Teixiera will get a Zitonian contract, which wouldn't be a huge deal for the Giants if they didn't already have Zito.
My plan: Give up on any hope for power in 2009. If Dunn, Burrell, or Glaus want to sign for less money than we're all thinking they will, that'd be something to consider. Otherwise, just focus on finding good players.
My prediction: The Giants sign Crede to a four-year deal, pronounce "clean-up hitter found!", and start pushing a "we're a win-now contender because of the pitching"-mindset on us.
Remember when there were a handful of people who thought that this "right way" of playing baseball (situational hitting, stolen bases, bunting, etc...) would be more fun to watch? I hope they're watching every inning and getting just the biggest kick out of all this.
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This is the most brutal poll ever. My god, so many options!
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just added one more.
Anyone else? I’ll turn this blog around right now.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll behave.
I’ve just never had to scroll through a poll before!
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one forgot what the question was halfway through.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Aug 7, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a question?
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care how many HR's this team his or doesn't hit
But I do care how many XBH’s they get, and that is what is killing (and will continue to kill) us.
Power is a problem, but it’s not JUST home run power that we need. It is overall offensive production.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HOME RUNZ R THE ONLY WAY TO MEASURE POWER
Fucking nerd! Don’t you listen to Mike Wilbon??!!111
by bondslegend on Aug 7, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame me
I voted for Adam Dunn.
I think he’s generally undervalued, and could add some pop for notta lotta chedda (at least relative to the Teixeiririas of the world).
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be okay w/ Dunn
But it’s not a forgone conclusion that he can play 1b.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it is a forgone conclusion that he’s pretty bad in LF.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that hasn't stopped us before
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched some brutal Giants defense at 1st of the decades. But I am currently down with a Dunn/Burrell bringing first baseman’s glove if we get their legit stick.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol he’s a punk ;) I remember, they were playin’ vs the Giants during the end of the season last year. Him and Hopper (CF) were playin’ catch.. game was about to start, so the bleacher fans were askin’ for the ball. This little kid in all giants gear was up at the edge of the wall, with his glove out, waving. Dunn made eye contact w/the kid, held the ball up.. then tossed the ball towards the kid. But he purposely threw the ball up and short (he was about 10-15 feet away), hitting the wall.. everyone booed and he just kinda smirked. Hopper picked up the ball and they continued throwin’ around lol.
I thought it was funny & mean @ the same time. poor kid. We lost the game, btw ;)
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by GiNgiNxbOi on Aug 7, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, what an ass if this is true
I vote no. We had our AJ already.
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe his arm is just really bad?
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by Azmanz on Aug 7, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His arm is really bad. But….he is an asshat as well.
Pass on ” the big Dumbass” err…..Donkey, and his 1200 career strikouts over eight years.
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by nvsfg on Aug 8, 2008 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Ryan Howard Ks a lot too
I’d still take him…
by bondslegend on Aug 8, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not crazy about Dunn, but it is starting to seem like he’s seriously underrated by GMs.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is my main point
I don’t love the guy, but his low batting average seems to scare people off, which depresses his value, which makes him a smart pickup. which means there’s not a chance in Hell the Giants will pick him up.
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was thinking “If GM’s are undervaluing Dunn, what in the hell are the chances that Sabean values him?”. After all, this is the man that tried to sell us Speed’n’Defense 2: Electric Boogaloo this season.
Sabean probably only sees a .240 BA from Dunn and thinks to himself “RANDY WINN HITS BETTER”
Dunn has his problems, defense mostly, but he can hit and if you stuck him at 1B it wouldn’t be a bad deal.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is a Veteran. And Sabean does run the Home for Unloved Savvy Veteran Goodness. Just saying.
Of coarse in his world we play him L.F. and D.F.A. Lewis.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Sabean’s fallen out of love with power-hitting savvy veterans. It’s all about speed and defense anymore. I don’t think Dunn meets the criteria.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Aug 7, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was all about ball bearings these days
i can’t hardly keep up anymore
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plastics dude, plastics.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 8, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carbon Fiber and BioFuels
Keep Up Man !!! :-)
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by nvsfg on Aug 8, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm Joe Castle is all speed. and Sabean was pimping his “power”.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean's valuation system
Trades:
- Giants veterans = over value (because of the veteran savvy and clubhouse presence they offer) and demand so much that we can’t possibly trade them, unless offered a no power/speedy CF or 6th/AAA starter.
- Giants young guys/prospects = undervalue and exchange them for overvalued veterans with lots of savvy.
Free Agency
- Free Agents = over value, offer way more money and years than other suitors, overpay, blame Peter Magowan and Barry Bonds.
- Giants free agents = if they’re any good, undervalue and let them walk. If not, overvalue and offer them one year deals.
It’s foolproof!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t voted yet – too confusing, man. Anyway, I wouldn’t be upset if we went after Dunn, but none of those other jokers. I would prefer if we went after someone like the Bucs’ minor league 3b Neil Walker. He’s having a bad year in AAA, and he’s blocked by Andy Laroche now. Maybe we could get him for Henry Sosa. A move like that is not going to powerize us immediately, but at least it opens up the possibility for a good, young, stick in the order.
by BigO on Aug 7, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be able to get Walker for a lot less than Sosa at this point. He’s also blocked by Alvarez assuming he signs.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is exactly
the wrong guy for the Giants. He is hitting .156/.258/.325 with an OPS of .583 in 21 games at Mays Field. He’s got 4 HRs which would project to about 15 in a full season.
Give me a guy that hits for average and drives the ball up the alleys for doubles and triples. For homerun hitters at Mays Field, Bonds was one of a kind. There is no one out there now that will even sniff Barry’s production.
by marklar on Aug 7, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Mays being tough on lefties
But the sample size, she is very small.
Still, it’s something to consider before signing a left-handed power hitter.
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted is 89 P.A.’s
What I find interesting numbers in the rest of the divisions parks not named Coors..
Place – Pa’s – Ave/OBP/ SLG
AZ- 69 – 150 /261/ 333
LA- 96- 247/365/420
SD – 70 – 310/429/724
How could Towers not be intrested in that.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your math, it is bad.
That would be about 15 AT HOME in a full season, so 30+ total. Which would be way more than enough to lead the team.
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what I meant
I know it looks like I meant total for the whole season, but i meant to only focus on what he would do at home. Too many players are signed by the Giants without a better idea of how they will hit in our park. I would think if you sign a guy to hit homeruns you would sign a guy tailored to your park where he should hit more than on the road.
I just think Dunn is totally unsuited for Mays Field.
by marklar on Aug 7, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you also implied that 15 HR in our park is a BAD thing (or, at least, not a good thing) (hint: 15 HR will probably be within a couple of HR of the giants team leader this season.)
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d be pretty happy if we had a guy that hit 15 at home and another 15-20 on the road.
So AT&T is tough on LHHs not named Bonds. Doesn’t mean we should never have another power LHH in the lineup.
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by Goofus on Aug 7, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Sabean...
While he’s GM, I bet we don’t see another power hitting lefty.
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by JRPhillips on Aug 7, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he were more complete...
I’d be with you. But the trouble is, 15 HRs in our park is about all you will get. I would gladly trade those 30 to 35 HRs for a guy that doesn’t hit a lot of HRs, but gets on base, hits for average, and can play some defense. He’s a fly ball hitter which may help us get runners in from 3rd, but jeez, don’t we want more than that?. That low average will be even lower at Mays Field. I also think those 89 PAs, though a small sample, is a little more valid than what he might have done in a continuous stretch. They are spread out over the last 7 seasons, and should cover a number of variables. Whereas a guy that gets off to a slow start in his first 89 PAs might be injured, or simply in a slump.
I just think he isn’t well suited to our ballpark.
by marklar on Aug 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone who "gets on base"
like Adam Dunn? (.381 career OBP, .381 this year, would currently lead all SF giants)
Oh, and no, 89 PA are not “a little more valid” than his whole career.
If you pick 89 PAs at random from any player, you’re going to see some funky results.
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all he is saying with the “little more valid” is the PA’s were not gatherred all in a short time. So one hot, or cold streak, does impact the sample body as greatly. I don’t see him claim such a streak has no effect.
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by daveinexile on Aug 8, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to add...
that I did not mean to imply 15 HRs in our park was bad. In fact, as you point out, it’s pretty good. But I meant that that is about all the good stuff I think you will get with Dunn. If he doesn’t hit a HR, and it isn’t a sacrifice situation, chances are much greater with him that you will get an out than with someone else.
by marklar on Aug 7, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
granted and true.
But the counter potnt is Dunn is one of the few batters that could hit the ball out of Yellow stone Park on any given P.A. Now also granted he doesn’t do that with a lot of regularity but the threat is there and the pitcher has to be mindfull of it. That something sorely missing from this Giatns squad and probably the next couple Giatns squads as well.
In the intrest of disclosure getting Dunn is not my dream answer. I am not a big fan of his. But I can see were ,at the right price, he could give the team something it is largley lacking in or be the new Rennie Stennett . And if Sabean has to spend ( presumming contract lengths and ammoutns roughly equal) on one the free agents i would rather him ( or Burrell) at first then either of Crede or Blalock at 3rd.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it's not true
Dunn gets on base more than any current SF giant. That makes him actually LESS likely to make an out than other SFGs
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in any case
the guy has an OPS over .900 and is under 30. Yes please.
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FJM is funny on people who don't understand how good Dunn is
They’re fucking morons, I believe is what they say. I’d be tickled pink if we got Dunn personally.
Don’t mean to offend anyone, though.
by bondslegend on Aug 8, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
viliphied which part are you objecting to? Sorry for not figureing it out on my own.
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by daveinexile on Aug 8, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
If he doesn’t hit a HR, and it isn’t a sacrifice situation, chances are much greater with him that you will get an out than with someone else.
by Viliphied on Aug 8, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is not a speedster.
Groundballs in 06 he was 156/165 ( OBP/slg).
Fly balls in 06 he was 279/953
Groundballs in 07 he was 172/195
Fly balls in 07 he was 325/1.088
Ground balls in 08 238/239
Fly balls in 08 330/1.115
I would say it’s a valid comment that ground balls are not good for him. How relevant the comment is for a guy that would be stuck in the hart of the order might be up for grabs though.
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by daveinexile on Aug 8, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
I’m not so sure Dunn is totally unsuited for our park. If any left can survive at Mays Field, it might just be Adam Dunn. He’s not exactly hittin wall-scrapers. He leads the majors with 32 bombs. You could argue that he plays in a hitter’s park but if you look at average HR distance, he leads both leagues in that area as well (413.3 ft.).
The dude has serious pop and a career OBP in the high .300s. I’d love to have him fumbling around first base or left field in 2009.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 8, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
third base
We have absolutely no in-house 3B options, and given that our front office is probably itching to spend more money we are virtually certain to spend some money on a 3B. My preference would be to take Adrian Beltre’s salary off the Mariners hands once they wake up to the fact that nobody is going to give them a good prospect for the pleasure of paying Beltre $12 million next year. I would rather overpay him for one year than sign Crede for 3 years. That doesn’t do much for the lack of power, but Beltre probably would lead the 2009 Giants in home runs
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’d go for Beltre too, as long as none of the top prospects go for him.
by BigO on Aug 7, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take it even further
and say not even a good prospect for him. Nothing about “decent” or “interesting”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, this blog needs a feature that allows idiots like me to edit their own comments.
what I mean to say was…”Nothing ABOVE “decent” or “interesting”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This blog does have a feature for idiots like you. It’s called the “ban” button. :-)
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by Goofus on Aug 7, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll pass and wait on Conor Gillaspie. I think we all agree that the Giants’ won’t be contenders next year, so why give up anything for Adrian Beltre on the last year of his deal?? He’ll be gone by the time they’re good, and his name won’t sell tickets. I’m more of an FA guy than a trade guy anyway. I think I would rather have an FA like Crede for three years than a guy like Beltre for one. At least you don’t have to give up anyone to get Crede, and if Crede does a good job, Gillaspie can move to second. My preference is still waiting on Conor, though.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even IF Conor works out
Someone has to play 3rd base next year.
Might as well be Beltre if all you have to give up is PTBNL and some AA releif arm.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone has to play 3rd base next year.
Umm…Castle! Hello, McFly!
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Buster Posey once his year is up and sergio Romo?
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to think that waiting around for our one guy in the minors who fits the bill is the wrong way to go. And I generally have been thinking that way. Not only do you not know how Gillaspie is going to look in a couple of years, but healthy organizations need to have 2 or 3 guys gunning for one position (though of course, it makes sense to try to stagger them in age). This point may seem obvious to some, but I realized that I’ve begun to thinking about single players filling single slots. Probably because we’ve had so little depth (better since the draft, for sure).
Now, this doesn’t mean you go get Beltre necessarily. I can see balking at going after him. One way or another, though, I think you need to go after good, young hitters, regardless of their position. And while I may set myself up for ridicule here, I don’t think you give up on next year just yet. Not with the NL like it is.
by BigO on Aug 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you and that’s why I think Beltre is a good idea. Getting him for a year is a good test-drive. If he does great and is happy here, both sides can talk about dancing to the next tune at the end of the season. If Beltre doesn’t work out of Gillespie tears through the minors next season; no harm no foul.
(Extra points for mixing car, dancing and basketball metaphors.)
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by Goofus on Aug 7, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre=Pedro Feliz. No Way. Rowand is going to work Crede over here or a little cheaper than normal and then go after Tex. It would give a name, power, a 3-4 combo that doesnt include the name Molina. I love Benji, but he’s a 6 hitter at best.
by Big Daddy J on Aug 7, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre hits for a better average, walks a bit more, and has more power than Feliz. Don’t forget what park Beltre plays in, that place absolutely kills his numbers.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the love of God Adrian Beltre is much better than Pedro Feliz
I am annoyed that people keep making that comparison
career numbers:
Feliz .253/.290/.432 121 HRs in 3180 ABs
Beltre: .270/.326/.458 236 HRs in 5711 at bats
Beltre has averaged 23 HRs in his 9 full seasons (1999-2007) while Pedro Feliz’s CAREER HIGH is 22 HRs. And Beltre has consistently played in worse hitters parks.
Yes Beltre’s 2004 season was a fluke, but he is a lot better hitter than Pedro Feliz.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs more vitrol.
But otherwise nicely done.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and pac bell is a great hitters park!
by Big Daddy J on Aug 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! This guy hit .335/.526/.763 there, so it can be done…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a fair park.
And Pac bell the closed field is Right. In Safeco its Left.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if its not a day game, its not a good hitters park. Ask Carlos Lee. Last year, he hit a blazing rocket out to right center. He stood, watched, admired his work, and then saw it being caught by Roberts or whomever.
by Big Daddy J on Aug 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Carlos Lee
Well that settles it then.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I am sayin is, is that you either need a gap-to-gap hitter which has not worked for years cause we need some power. Or we need a BIG bat.
by Big Daddy J on Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee obviously knows and wants to play on a wining club. I mean that is why he signed with the Astros..no?
I seen spanked balls ( insert preferred joke here) die in Wiggly as well. But he wind was blowing in. Does that make Wiggly a pitchers park?
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FunFact: there’s a dog park in Chicago, close to the ballpark, called Wiggly Field.
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool.
both for keeping me honest. and a nice story.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s neutral.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
at Safeco: .250/.307/.412
at Pacbell: .296/.345/.447 (41 games)
The stick wasn’t exactly a hitters park either, but in 9 games he hit:
.440/.517/.560
Safeco is definitely bad for him. Career splits:
Home: .252/.312/.419
Away: .287/.339/.493
by marklar on Aug 7, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pac Bell
Terrible lefty power park. Good lefty UBER power park. Good lefty gap power park (Triples Alley FTW).
Average righty power park.
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre is probably the best option, at this point.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge Cantu
i mentioned this in another post, but it seems like the only two options ever brought up for 3b in 2009 are Beltre and Crede. Cantu is 26, has more runs, RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS, and HR than Crede or Beltre. The Marlins weren’t even going to start him until we claimed Jose Castillo off waivers (cringe). His glove is pretty atrocious, but he is still pretty young and can play 1st and 2nd, FWIW. We may have to give up a little more, but he would come at a much cheaper price than Crede or Beltre. With the Marlins’ constant turnover of players, he might not be completely insane to speculate about.
by stealth snail on Aug 7, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cantu
His name was kinda thrown around the blog last off-season. I think the consensus was that he generally sucks at getting on base. Until this year, he’s had a Pedro Felizish sub-.300 OBP. He’s up around league-average in ‘08. Fluke? Who knows. Maybe he finally realized he needs to be more patient. Your guess is as good as mine.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 8, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...except, of couse, that defensively he really sucks. Doesnt’ really fit in with the Speed/Defense mantra that idot boy Sabean is allegedly following.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 8, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. Grant props
He dropped Cube on us yesterday and gets an AC/DC nod in today. Nicely done.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Favorite AC/DC song from Powerage:
a. Rock ‘n’ Roll Damnation
b. Sin City
c. Riff Raff
d. What’s Next to the Moon?
e. other
f. I’m a hipster weenie who doesn’t listen to AC/DC
It’s got to be “b.” for me.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sin City, hands down, no question
We even tried covering it in my current mmmmmetal band, but it was a total disaster.
GOD I LOVE THAT SONG
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, do you guys like Rush?
Tell me I’m not the only guy in here that likes Rush.
/weenie
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
up to and including 2112, yes, but Peart’s lyrics drive me up a fucking wall. It’s some serious high-school-girl poetry Ayn Randian nonsense. But yeah, I like my Rush.
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, i didn't mean 2112!!
I meant Moving Pictures.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2112 is so good.
I don’t listen to Rush for the lyrics, brother, I listen for the ROCKING!!
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snakes and Arrows...
Not a dull moment on that CD.
And yea I hate the singing, sometimes the lyrics are ok, but the music.
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my cutoff is Permanent Waves. I agree with the lyrics gripe, but Hemispheres is one of my favorite albums.
Worst lyricists of all-time, decent-to-good music division:
- Juliana Hatfield
- King’s X
- Neil Peart
More as I think of them….
by Grant on Aug 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Primus and Les Claypool, but some people can’t handle his nasally voice.
I say, bring it on!
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wynona had a big brown beaver..
/ begins bobbing head as if riding in the Mirth Moblie from Waynes World.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Corgan
though he may not count, because his voice is enough of a hindrance to degrade smashing pumpkins below the good line.
A lot of people have a hard time with Tom Waits. (I don’t)
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Waits is the man
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
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by groug on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw them once
Boring, uninspired.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Mueller and Matt Herges like Rush
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember how billy mueller would only hit HRs when Estes pitched?
that was cool
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding? Love 'em.
I even like Counterparts and Test for Echo.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Test for Echo..
Nice album.
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush=TEH AWEZOME ROKIN!
Seriously, their musical genius knocks my socks off. I can listen to Limelight like 200 times in a row and never get sick of that riff.
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush = Good.
Just ripping Rush in Rio right now to my laptop. Did you know i got a new laptop?
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE ALL RUSH >:(
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by jponry on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disliked Rush before Steve Finley
Now I HATE them.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 8, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too am not a fan
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by groug on Aug 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on this antibandwagon too. Rush? Seriously? Ugh.
by Evan on Aug 8, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go e.
since I remember really digging Gone Shootin’
by BigO on Aug 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about trading for a young power hitter?
for example, what about Brandon Wood?
we discussed this a bit in the transaction fetish talk last week. The Angels seem to undervalue him and they are set on the left side of the infield (at least in their eyes). Would you be willing to give up one of MadBum/Alderson for him? Scouts seem to think he may be able to stick at SS and probably at least has a chance to be a decent 3B.
what about the general idea of offering one of our young pitchers or pitching prospects for a young power hitter under team control (I see 3 people at least like that idea)? I know it would be tough to part with one of those guys, but to get something you have to give up something…
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get Wood.
Seriously though, I would be very happy if we traded for him, depending on what we gave up.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the halos are not going to trade wood for anything. They have more than enough wood. Specially in the morning.
by Big Daddy J on Aug 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCovey Chronicles
Where gamers NEVER grow up.
by cheno on Aug 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could get arrested for that, buddy.
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get Wood.
Having problems?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your 2008 Giants
Causing impotence with the bat and in the home.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something about...
Having a hard time (doh) getting past first base.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Aug 7, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPEED AND DEFENSE!
aka Two-Minute Lovers + Condoms?
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the thing about the winning option.
A team doesn’t develop power by being patient. It develops power by having young guys with power potential. You can’t just give a nobody three years and expect he’ll blossom into somebody, just through the sheer power of exposure.
Who, in the Giants’ system, is a reasonable bet to provide plus power—honest-to-God, no-kiddin’, thirty-homers-a-year power? To be honest, there’s almost nobody. Maybe Angel way down the line… maaaaaybe Ishikawa. Bowker and Schierholtz could, but there’s no compelling reason to think they will… not-young guys who hit 20-22 home runs with low walks in the minors generally don’t become viable power hitters.
This might not be a problem if we had high-OBP types who ran well… but we don’t. We don’t have anyone who projects to have a .400 OBP… we don’t have anyone who’s likely to average a .380 OBP. We have some semi-credible on-base guys, but no standouts.
Our offense is terrible throughout the system… we have no hope of credible offense for the next three years. These young hitters aren’t the young hitters we’ve been looking for.
There are warts on all of those free agents, but if we’re not blocking the real prospects - Villalona, Sandoval, Posey, Gillaspie - I’ll take a warty major-league-calibre hitter over a bright-eyed minor-league-calibre hitter every time. Rebuilding only makes sense if you’re rebuilding towards something. Without a free agent hitter or two, we’re not moving towards anything… we’re deciding to be the Pirates, for some bizarre, masochistic reason.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we were Deciding to be the Pirates we would be doing things like Renting the Zombie Corpse of Matt Morris for an imagined pennant push.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem
Shea Hillenbrand?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 No! I thought i had succeeded in blocking that. Were is that glue? I need a huff.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue. . .
For WilltheThrill, this is Jon Miller saying goodnight. . . .
by WilltheThrill on Aug 7, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a mild Pat Burrell supporter. Why? Dude gets more home runs and more OBP than the current Giants roster will get in a million years. Granted that he sucks in every other way. I want a motherfucking cleanup hitter! Who knows how to take pitches!
Wait, didn’t we used to have one of those?
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt mind Burrell
just for the sake of someone getting to 20 homeruns next year
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, my interest in Burrell shot up a bit looking at his home/road splits this season:
Home: .240 / .358 / .458 / 9 HR
Road: .312 / .438 / .688 18 HR
Is the new stadium in Philadelphia a pitchers’ park or what? Anyway: .438 road OBP + epic road power? MMMMMMMMM.
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s a severe hitters park.
You’ll get weird numbers like that when you’re looking at less than half a season. Last year, he was exactly the opposite.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
111 games is a lot more than half a season. Unless you mean both half of his 2008 splits representing less than half a season.
He also did somewhat better on the road than at home in 2006, as well. His 3-year averages from 2005-2007 do favor the road, though he still has power (43 HR in 756 AB) and a very good OBP (.370) on the road.
Point taken, though.
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, since you’re splitting it up into home/away, you’re looking at less than half a season. Sorry, I should have clarified.
Anyways, his base hitting skills are decent enough. I’m just not sure they’re worth what they’ll cost, especially when you factor in his defense and what we already have in the outfield.
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by marcello on Aug 7, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m thinking of him more as a first baseman, given the outfield situation. He hasn’t played there since 2000, which is another issue.
Like I said: I just want a cleanup hitter, dammit. If we have Molina hitting #4 another year, I may have to weep.
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking of him more as a first baseman, given the outfield situation. He hasn’t played there since 2000, which is another issue.
Well we are already force converting an O.F. are first on the MLB level as it is. Why not a guy we already know can hit MLB pitching with some effectiveness? It could also prolong his career so he might be open to it.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I disagree that all of those guys will get four-year deals. Some will, undoubtedly, but I’m guessing at least one or two sign Andruw Jones-style deals. And while that deal’s obviously been a disaster for the Dodgers, it was praised at the time… many people here wished we’d done that over signing Rowand. Teixeira is a stretch, but I don’t think it’s at all ridiculous to think we could get into the Burrell/Dunn/Crede-type sweepstakes with lucrative two-year offers.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would still take
2 years of andruw over 5 years of rowand
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by Azmanz on Aug 7, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Teixeira idea, but only because we have 30 mil coming off the books in 2010. As far a fluke years go, there is no better example than Crede. I go to church on Sundays praying that Sabean won’t buy into his year and just stick with Frandsen on the cheap.
Plus, after 2010, how good does our offense really have to be when we have 5 of these 6 starting: Timmy, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner, Alderson, and Zito (who should only be allowed to start against offenses similar to San Diego?
The 2008 Giants: Think 2005 Rockies with a payroll twice as big and half as much talent.
by BCsteve on Aug 7, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crede’s not even having much of a fluke year to buy into. He had a fluke start, but at this point he’s hitting around .250, his OPS is sub-.800, he’s been hurt, and he’s on pace to hit more home runs than anyone we have, but still well under 30. But yeah, I’m scared of Sabean going after him, too.
I can’t agree with the “how good does our offense really have to be” line of thought – just ‘cause you have good pitching doesn’t mean you can neglect the lineup and still expect to succeed. That’s just the kind of thinking that got us the current roster.
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger's blog slogan
“Where Manny Ramirez makes you forget Joe Crede will be our 3rd baseman next year”
Molina's gonna test his arm...
by Victorious Secret on Aug 7, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice. they must of stole it from one of the McCoven.
There are Spies among us.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teixeira would be great if Scott Boras wasn’t his agent.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Aug 7, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not gonna make a FanShot (a what?) for it, but
Baggs seems to think Barry will show this weekend.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/08/07/bonds-publicist-barry-is-on-vacation/
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked what Kruk (or Kuip?) said this morning, with Barry parachuting in and landing in left ready to play.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bahahahahha
that rules
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by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would rule INDEED
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably should have made a Fanshot
and 2-3 fanposts about it, actually.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on it.
Maybe I should post a fanshot about my fanpost….
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Plan:
Offer a monster contract to Teixeira. Not a monster contract of the A-Rod variety, but more along the lines of an Alfonso Soriano monster deal, where yes, he’ll probably be overpaid, but at least he’ll be good and overpaid. Expect to get outbid, but at least show the fanbase and the MLB that you’re making the effort.
Backup plan, offer a more reasonable offer to Dunn/Glaus (if Glaus opts out).
Backup plan to the backup plan: Suck it up and deal with it. Give out no big contracts. Maybe sign a competent veteran reliever to replace Walker if one is available. If you can get a terrific return for Sanchez, make the deal. Throw Winn into the pot if it helps. But more than likely we’ll enter next season with the same rotation, and mostly the same lineup, plus Frandsen and Burriss, minus Vizquel and Durham.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Aug 7, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like your style, dude
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot one thing:
Fire Sabean, make Smoke on the Water the new GM
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand Sabathia being a power hitter option. Is there a joke I’m missing?
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by Goofus on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
.611 SLG in the national league, can’t beat that!
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by WalrusMan on Aug 7, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no left handed slugger will sign here because of the park.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2008 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unless maybe the Gm’s are viewing you as a freak not worth a lot of thier time. ( Might that be Dunn this offseason?)
Or they get a better contract offer. This is “bids against himself” Sabean after all. a 4 -5 year contract to one of the second tier talents would be also very Sabean.
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are not going to win in 2009
So should only be going for free agents who are either stopgaps on one-year deals, or who are really going to hold value. Perhaps Adam Dunn could be had cheaply – strange that no contender wanted him at the deadline, no? If so, grab him, if not, use the playing time to try and find out who some productive players are.
Nelson Cruz, Dallas McPherson, Jamie D’Antona, Chris Shelton… have a bunch of guys like this, give them playing time, and see what works. Even (gasp) Travis Ishikawa deserves a good look at the major league level.
by Salemicus on Aug 7, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Power Solved
The Giants power outage can be explained in three main ways ~ no veteran power, no real young power (Bowker…?) and a pitcher’s park. But here’s my plan: trade young, top pitching prospects for young, top hitting prospects. An intriguing idea I heard on this blog recently was acquiring Brandon Wood, a powerful hitter stuck in the Angels Minor League. He is widely recognized as one of baseball’s top prospects. He’s blocked by Chone Figgins (3B), Maicer Izturis (SS), and Erick Aybar (SS), all young players. Although we may have to sacrifice a Tim Alderson or Michael Bumgarner, but it seems the Giants have enough pitching to be ok. And, by the way, wouldn’t this fall under the strategy of draft pitching and trade for hitting? Like I said, built a deal around one of those pitchers and get something done, put him at third.
Also, I would love to see the Giants trade Randy Winn. He has NO power whatsoever, and is really only a singles hitter. Trade him for some prospects, but have his new team inherit the majority of his contract. Honestly, the quality of the prospects is much less important than dumping the contract. This will open up room for other prospects in the minors, including Futures Game Starter Nate Schierholtz…
Furthermore, I absolutely LOVE the idea of signing Adam Dunn, In my opinion, he is the most underrated player in the entire league. I mean, he leads baseball in homers! I guess people tend to overlook him because of his strikeouts, but there’s no question the Giants could use his power. Although he does play in a hitter friendly ballpark and would move to a pitcher friendly yard, I would guess at least 35+ homers.
Finally, always be open to little moves and small free agent signings that could improve the team’s bench or minor leagues. Especially some small signings to help shore up the bullpen leading up to Wilson.
If my moves transpired…
Lineup (Opening Day)
Emannual Burriss SS
Fred Lewis LF
Brandon Wood 3B
Adam Dunn 1B
Bengie Molina C
Aaron Rowand CF
Nate Schierholtz RF
Eugenio Velez 2B
Tim Lincecum P
Pitching Rotation
Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Jonathan Sanchez
Barry Zito
Noah Lowry
Closer: Brian Wilson
Also in the mix…
Tim Alderson/Michael Bumgarner
John Bowker
Don’t forget, even if this power problem continued through ‘09, Buster Posey’s on the fast track…and years away, Angel Villalona…
A little lengthy, but I hope interesting
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 7, 2008 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nice post.
1 quibble. Not a hitters park does not automatically equal a pitchers yard.
The Giants home games are in a neutral , or fair, yard. Show me data otherwise
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by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who exactly are you proposing we trade for Wood?
I have to think the Angels would want more than just Alderson or Bumgarner (whose first name is Madison, not Michael).
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by groug on Aug 7, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but there's the trick
We’ll be trading Bumgarner’s brother, Michael, so we won’t have to give up Madison.
by Natto on Aug 7, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or they could finally dump winn
and bring up nate…
but pumkin head likes winn…hes his kind of player
eff this org
by bacci40 on Aug 7, 2008 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and let me add this
at the end of the season, sabean again must be asked what the point was of bringing rowand here
rowand is a clone of winn
by bacci40 on Aug 7, 2008 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
I disagree that Rowand is the same type of player as Winn. He has more power, is a better fielder, and is a good contact hitter as well. Plus, his all-out effort makes him a fan and personal favorite. With regards to my earlier post, all aspects seem plausible accept Sabean’s end of the deal. Unless he actually does his job, the team will sign Crede to a trade in the ballpark of 4 years, 50-55 million. Yet another poor move…Even if you look at the moves from a financial perspective, the Giants would only be adding approximately 5 million dollars (if you dump Winn somehow). The team’s next priority should be to lock up Cain, Lincecum, etc. They’re the future
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 7, 2008 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are you dumb as well as blind???
where is that power???
the man is hitting 280….and its a weak 280
he is a singles hitter
please dont quote me his power numbers in that band box in philli
i dont give a royal crap that rowand is a fan fav…he is a piece of a puzzle….if you have all the other pieces allready in place
we didnt and it was a bad fa signing
and now….everyone is bringing up crede
what a joke that would be
this team is not 1 player away
unless that player is of bonds stature
and the closest to that is now playing for the bums…and he aint coming here next season
by bacci40 on Aug 7, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, hai.
Rowand:
A) Is not a “singles hitter”. See Randy Winn for an example of such.
B) Is indeed a “piece” and not a star in himself
however, you don’t need to have all the other pieces in place to acquire one.
Rowand is an above average fielder and hitter at a relatively premium position, is one of the best hitters on this team (not that that’s saying much) and may very well be a part of the next good Giants team.
by Viliphied on Aug 7, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISo
Rowand ISO: .153
Winn ISO: .100
Rowand hits for WAY more power than Winn, and is certainly not a “singles” hitter considering he is only 10 off the lead for doubles in all of baseball.
Aaron Rowand is a quality player at an okay price. If the Giants could make 2-3 more signings like him we would be in very good shape.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 8, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. He’s also four years younger than Winn, which further makes the comparison absurd.
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by Goofus on Aug 8, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, but ur wrong tho
uh so everyone below ur strange, obviously inaccurate post proved my point. i never said rowand was a star, but a good/nice piece of the puzzle. the giants may have overpaid for him a little, but they have an established CF that plays good defense and can hit fairly well. but how can it be a weak .280 with all those doubles? and btw, .280 isn’t that bad at all. and i have no idea why i wrote michael bumgarner…
i think the angels would accept alderson + another prospect for wood.
in a recent list, i saw that tim alderson was the 4th best prospect in baseball…idk, that seems pretty good.
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 8, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wait, there's more
I just keep adding extra thoughts, but I honestly, HONESTLY believe that the Giants could be looking at an 85 win season w/ this team. I’m acting like this could really happen, but I believe this team would be both in contention and have an excellent chance to win the division. That lineup is fairly potent actually.
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 7, 2008 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The +reply button at the bottom of your post helps the rest of us know who you’re responding to.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 7, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can also be found at the bottom of other people’s posts, which is presumably more helpful to you.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 7, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh aight I didn't rly know that was a bid deal but ok my bad
its in the title
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 7, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush is awesome!
You don’t know what you’re talking about, jponry!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 7, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RUSH SUCKS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 7, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you were hurt badly as a child. Probably something like abducted by Dodger fans as an infant. Dressed in that awful blue and then many photos were taken. Its ok. Its not your fault. We certainly understand your acting out in anger at a misplaced target.
;)
the men who hold high places must be the ones to start…
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 8, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RUSH IS PRETTY OKAY
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2008 2:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DON'T YOU SOIL STEVE KLINE BY IMPLICITLY COMPARING HIM TO RUSH
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T LIKE RUSH, THANKS
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 8, 2008 6:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HEY GUYS ITS NA
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 8, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Pat Burrell grew up in Boulder Creek, so he’s a local boy. Maybe he’d take a bit less money to play closer to home. Does that still happen?
by ololo3 on Aug 8, 2008 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it does...
But it’s him taking a cut from maybe 14 million to 13 million, still absurd. idk, i just think dunn would take less money and hit WAY more homers + produce more RBI’s. I also strongly consider moving sanchez for a good young hitter. i know he has potential, but he hasn’t looked that impressive recently. i know this is a rebuilding effort (and therefore maybe reason to keep sanchez), but what hitters are we rebuilding around? Ivan Ochoa? No we need to get some good young hitters if this rebuilding is gonna work.
by FreshPrince712 on Aug 9, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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