OT: Info please
This has literally been bugging me for years.
My earliest baseball memory, and possibly my first exposure to baseball ever, was a game I saw on TV when I was very young. It was probably in the late 60's or early 70's (yeah, probably before most of you young whippersnappers were born!).
For some reason I think it took place during a pennant chase or even in the post-season since I got the impression it was a very important game. My memory is fuzzy but I vividly recall some details.
The game ended when the centerfielder (?) climbed the outfield wall, reached over the fence, and robbed the hitter of a homerun, then threw the ball back to the infield to double up the baserunner who was either tagging up to 3rd or trying to get back to 2nd. Now here are some other details... I didn't realize it until I learned baseball better, but I now believe the runner who was thrown out was a pitcher because he was wearing a warmup jacket on the bases. And he must have been a pitcher who was in the game, as opposed to a pinchrunner, precisely because he was wearing the jacket. The color of the jacket leads me to believe the team at bat was the Orioles. I am not so certain about the team in the field, although I do recall lighter colored uniforms and for some reason I seem to think it could be the Yankees or Tigers. I cannot picture the details of the stadium but I do recall that the wall must have been at least 8 ft high, since in making the catch, the outfielder ran back and jumped onto the wall with his right leg and simultaneouly grabbed the top of the wall and propelled himself way over the wall to make the catch.
In the days before the internet, I actually wrote to some sports publications hoping they could help me identify the details of the game, but to no avail. So now I will try again. Does anyone out there know which game I am describing?
I am not going to undergo regression hypnosis or seek out a oracle, and I am definitely not going to buy farmland in the central valley in order to mow it down to build a ballpark so they will come and replay the game. But it would be nice to know since it really made an impression on me... much to the chagrin of my parents I spent many afternoons reenacting that final play using the walls of our house as the outfield fence... and I have become a lifelong baseball fan.
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you really got me going...
and I’m at work. After searching a bit on baseball ref’s “bullpen”, I came up with this:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/baseballs_best/mlb_bb_gamepage.jsp?story_page=bb_69ws_gm3_balnym
It doesn’t sound as though he went over the wall on either catch, but some of the other details sound similar. Maybe Tommy Agee is your guy?
Must work now.
by BigO on Aug 5, 2008 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He got you so you can’t sleep at night?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 6, 2008 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then there's this...
Work is overrated. How about Joe Rudi’s catch in the ‘72 series against the Reds? Again, he didn’t double anyone off, and it wasn’t the last play, but he saved the game in the bottom of the 9th by leaping “spider-like” up the wall…
Here’s a boxscore
by BigO on Aug 5, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
here's a nice description of the Rudi catch
courtesy of BF Bullpen:
By the time the ninth rolled around, the Big Red Machine was 0-for-17 with runners in scoring position. The Reds tried to come to life in the ninth, but would be left frustrated by the two best defensive plays of the Series.
Tony Perez led off the inning with a single to right and then Denis Menke, the Reds’ 32-year-old third baseman, hit a long fly to left.
Said Williams in No More Mister Nice Guy, We jumped to our feet and, amid shouts of “No! No!” we twisted and contorted our bodies in hopes of somehow willing the ball back to our side of the fence. Then, while in a crouched position, I saw it.
“Joe Rudi’s body, his glove, his arm, an arm that seemed at least eight feet long, springing above his body like a burst of water from a fountain as he leaped against the green left field fence, the ball falling out of nowhere into the glove at the height of the jump, the white part shining against the brown leather, a catch, an out, a 350-foot unbelievable out.”
Rudi’s catch is still considered one of the greatest in World Series history, although Williams wasn’t happy that he took too long showing the ball to umpires and missed a chance to double off Perez at first.
“It happened so fast that I didn’t even know what happened.” Rudi told Bergman. “It was just one of those lucky plays. But I figure that any ball I can reach and get my glove on, I can catch.”
by BigO on Aug 5, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this might not fit the time frame, but in game six of the '75 series...
Dwight Evans scaled the wall in the 11th to rob Morgan and throw out Ken Griffey (not a pitcher, obviously), but it didn’t end the game. Fisk did in 12.
by bendito on Aug 6, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Hope the boss doesn’t come down on you. Those were nice catches, but I still distinctly recall the outfielder going over the wall and then throwing someone out on the basepaths.
by baseballjunkie on Aug 5, 2008 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was when they played REAL baseball, not the impure form we have now!!!
by Natto on Aug 5, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they used Greenies in the coffee. In a couple years they used animal steroids ( if Tom House is to believed) unlike sissy players now days. But I like, and admire, your proficiency with Sarcasm so I will not turn the sprinkles in my lawn on you at this time.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 6, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sprinkles in your lawn?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 6, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has an ice cream lawn. It’s actually pretty awesome.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, you are tight.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 6, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grrrr! Pesky kids. Now were is my Cream of Wheat and Geritol?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 7, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Just went through the Retrosheet game logs of Orioles home games ‘65-’75 and there just isn’t one that ended on a double play started by an OF.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 6, 2008 3:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Orioles regular season home games, that is.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 6, 2008 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I’m a moron! O’s would have been the road team… Meh.
OK, time to find my Retrosheet parser…
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 6, 2008 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only one I can find without sending you an invoice.
Pitcher-as-PR out on the back end of a DP started by an OF to end a game.
But it’s early season and involves the LF, and it’s not bang-bang stuff.
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1973/B04180MIN1973.htm
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN197304180.shtml
The Retrosheet even files say:
play,9,1,braus001,,,S7
play,9,1,thomd103,,,16(1)/FO
play,9,1,mittg101,,,NP
sub,terrj101,”Jerry Terrell”,1,7,12
play,9,1,mittg101,,,7/L/DP.1X2(714)
com,”Terrell running with pitch, had taken step past 2nd and”
com,”returned to first without retouching. Throw in got past”
com,”first baseman. Ryan picked up ball and threw to Alomar”
com,”at second for out on appeal. No DP since intervening”
com,”misplay”
com,”except film says McCraw did get DP and assist”
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 6, 2008 6:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Need more info, like where are you from?
did they have local TV then? Obviously, neither of these teams were your local team.
Which means it was probably on network TV. So, possibly a playoff game, which narrows it down a lot.
Could you narrow down the years at all? late 60s to early 70s? so 68-72?
If it was late in the game and the pitcher was running the bases, my guess is it was an extra inning game.
An extra inning playoff game ended on a homerun saving catch and outfield assist double play shouldn’t be too hard to find. Or at least you can eliminate the playoffs and focus on some game of the week’s.
by bendito on Aug 6, 2008 7:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the research, everyone!
Although I am not certain it could have been a Saturday game, especially since not many games were broadcast back then. And it probably was in the ‘68-72 range since I would have been too young to comprehend TV before then (not that I am much better these days… but that’s besides the point). Again, I’m not sure it was the post-season, and sorry if I lead some of you down a wrong path by saying that.
I didn’t know there were such powerful research tools available!
by baseballjunkie on Aug 6, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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