minor lines, 8/3/08
AAA: Fresno lost to Nashville 15-9
(despite leading 9-7 after four innings)
Fresno: 2B Travis Denker: 2 for 5, 2 2B
Fresno: 1B Travis Ishikawa: 3 for 4, 2 HR, 3B, SO
Nashville: 2B Chris Woodward: 4 for 5, HR
Fresno: RHP Victor Santos: 4.1 IP, 9 H, 9 R, 9 ER, 4 BB, 2 K--3 HR
Fresno: LHP Pat Misch: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 2 K
Fresno: LHP Erick Threets: 2.0 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Ishikawa had another huge game, with his 6th and 7th HRs in his last eight games. With three XBH, he raised his SLG above .700. Denker also had a couple XBH, improving his PCL line to .284/.400/.459 in 109 AB. The Brewers' Woodward, who spent all of last season in the majors, had a huge game, but the 32-year-old is still hitting just .233/.299/.314 in 210 AB in triple-A this year.
Santos had his third straight poor start. He has allowed 25 H, 11 BB and 28 ER in 11.0 IP over those three starts. After eight starts since being demoted, Misch made a brief relief appearance on one day's rest. Threets had allowed just 1 ER over his previous seven appearances but was tagged for a big crooked number in the 6th inning before rebounding with a perfect 7th inning.
AA: Connecticut lost to New Hamsphire 8-0
Connecticut: 1B Pablo Sandoval: 1 for 4, 2B
Connecticut: RF Carlos Sosa: 1 for 3, 2B
Connecticut: RHP Garrett Broshuis: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
Connecticut: LHP Paul Oseguera: 2.0 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K--3 HR
Connecticut: RHP Kelvim Pichardo: 1.0 IP
Connecticut: RHP Justin Hedrick: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K
The Defenders managed just six baserunners, and Sandoval's 12th double and Sosa's 19th double accounted for two of the six baserunners. No Defender reached base twice.
Broshuis's starts seem to be getting shorter. Is he wearing down? He strung together in June and July several starts in a row of 7.0 IP. He has not pitched past the 6th inning since, and not into even the 5th inning with this most recent start. Oseguera allowed 3+ ER for the fourth time in his last nine appearances. Pichardo did not have a strikeout for just the second time in his last ten appearances. Hedrick allowed a run for just the second time since June.
A+: San Jose defeated Modesto 4-3 (13 innings)
San Jose: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 4, BB, 2 SB
San Jose: 3B Matt Downs: 3 for 6, SO
San Jose: LF-RF Tyler Graham: 4 for 6, 2B, SO
San Jose: RHP Tim Alderson: 6.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
San Jose: RHP Danny Otero: 1.0+ IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB
San Jose: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 1.2 IP, 1 BB, 3 K--1 IBB
San Jose: RHP Steven Edlefsen: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 3 K--1 WP
Ford, Downs and Graham each had multiple hits, accounting for nine of the Giants' thirteen hits and raising their respective AVGs to .244, .296 and .269.
Alderson had his second straight start allowing neither a walk nor an earned run, improving his ERA to 2.82. With 27 H and 32 K in his last six starts, Alderson now has more strikeouts than hits allowed this season. After a scoreless 8th inning, Otero allowed a game-tying, two-RBI double to the third batter he faced in the 9th inning, raising his ERA above 6.00. Joaquin and Edlefsen both had three strikeouts. Since the start of June, Edlefsen has 29 H, 18 BB and 40 K in 34.2 IP. He has become more of a strikeout pitcher and less of an extreme groundball pitcher.
A-: Augusta defeated Savannah 10-0
Augusta: 1B Angel Villalona: 1 for 3, HR, BB, 2 SO, E
Augusta: LF Dom Duggan: 3 for 4, 3B, SB
Augusta: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 K
Augusta: RHP Mitch Lively: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Villalona connected for his 13th HR. He also committed his 14th error. Duggan, playing his fifth game for the GreenJackets after 46 games with San Jose earlier this year, had three hits while batting ninth in the lineup.
Bumgarner had another outstanding start, improving his ERA to 1.70 and his W-L record to 11-3. He has pitched a full seven innings in seven of his his last nine starts. Over his last four starts, he has 18 H, 2 BB, 3 ER and 32 K in 28.0 IP. Lively, who was signed and drafted by the Rockies a year ago, made his full-season debut, striking out two of the three batters he faced.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Eugene 12-2
Salem-Keizer: SS Ryan Lormand: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Salem-Keizer: 1B Mike Loberg: 2 for 3, HR, 2B, HBP, SO
Salem-Keizer: CF Damon Wright: 2 for 4, 2B
Salem-Keizer: RHP Wilbur Bucardo: 2.0+ IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Salem-Keizer: RHP Brian Irving: 2.0 IP, 3 H, 1 K
With his 5th HR and 9th double, Loberg raised his AVG above .300 and his SLG above .475. Wright was the other Volcano with multiple hits, extending his hitting streak to six games and raising his AVG to .280. Lormand had not struck out in any of his previous four games and had a SO/AB ratio barely above 10%, but he suffered the oh-fer with the hat trick in this game.
Bucardo had perhaps the worst start of his pro career, watching his ERA balloon by more than a full run from 4.20 to 5.27. Irving was the only one of five Volcano pitchers not to allow an earned run. His fourth straight appearance without an earned run lowered his ERA by more than a half run to 3.86.
R: Giants lost to Cubs 7-5
Scottsdale: C Ryne Price: 2 for 3, 2B, HBP, SF, SO, E
Scottsdale: RHP Kyle Nicholson: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 WP
Scottsdale: LHP Mario Rodriguez: 0.1 IP, 2 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
Scottsdale: RHP Geomar Patino: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 3 K
Price was the lone rookie Giant with multiple hits, raising his AVG to .282 through 71 AB.
Is the 23-year-old Nicholson too good for the AZL? He has gone exactly 6.0 IP in each of his last three starts and has allowed just 8 H, 0 BB and 1 ER in that time with 18 K. The 19-year-old Rodriguez had perhaps the least effective appearance of his career, although three of the runs did score after he left the game. The 21-year-old Patino now has 11 K in 5.1 IP in his second season in the U.S.
DSL: Giants had their typical Sunday off-day
Gigantes on DSL leaderboards:
--Hitters:
OBP: Sanchez 8th
HR: Windster 1st
RBI: Sanchez 7th
R: Willoughby 2nd
SB: Willoughby 3rd
--Pitchers:
H: Concepcion 5th
BB: Azocar 6th
HR: De La Cruz 1st
G: Mendez 3rd
W: Concepcion 5th
Sv: Mendez 3rd
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As I mentioned in the previous day’s minor lines thread, TI was just killing the ball last night. Also McClain looks good at third base and he says he likes being back at his natural position.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 3:53 PM PDT 0 recs
Ish, Ish, Give us the Ish!
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on
Aug 4, 2008 3:58 PM PDT
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I feel kind of dumb for having completely written off Travis before the season now.
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by jponry on Aug 4, 2008 3:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Who didn’t? TI has had a great season at the make or break level of AA and shot himself back into the mix. Alderson and Bumgarner on the same night is twice the fun.
by wilriv21 on
Aug 4, 2008 4:01 PM PDT
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66 Pitches?
Any reason Alderson only went 66 pitches?
by SF Fan on
Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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no idea
he was never in trouble at any point, and 66 seems way too low to pull him based on teh number of pitches. Maybe he was just going to go 6 no matter what?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on
Aug 4, 2008 4:06 PM PDT
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Maybe he could have added another win if he stayed in – are wins important in A+?
by SF Fan on
Aug 4, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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i think Decker manages to win every game
but I don’t think he necessarily cares about getting wins for his starters. The only thing I can think of is that he had some relievers that needed work and wanted to get them in.
He got more than he bargained for tho when the game went 13!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on
Aug 4, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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I went back and looked, and I had Ishikawa in my top 40 list in early May. I didn’t go back and check, but my recollection is that his inclusion was fairly criticized.
by steve S on
Aug 5, 2008 4:34 PM PDT
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don't blame you
the guy was just awful last year and was demoted to SJ, and he didn’t exactly tear it up there. Though, he was repeating AA this year, it’s great to see him play well there and succeed in Fresno.
Great story, though. The Giants paid a lot of money to sign him out of high school and it’s nice to see him finally starting to play up to his natural talent at the higher levels.
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 4, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
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I said this season was the last chance for TI (and EME) to do something before I wrote him off. I’m glad TI is making his chance now.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 4, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
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Yes we all wrote TI off. I doubt a single one of us wanted to. Now he has resurrected his career that’s what makes this story so good! It’s why you play the game , as the saying goes.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Aug 5, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
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should anyone be interested
i posted my thoughts on TIm A et al. in yesterday’s Minor Lines here.
Also, something I neglected to mention was that the Nuts starting pitcher Simon Ferrer is a knuckleballer. Kinda amusing to watch an A-ball catcher try to cope with the knuckler. He was consistently around 67-71 with ridonkulous movement.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 4, 2008 4:05 PM PDT 0 recs
I wish the Giants would give Denker a shot at 2B and move Burriss to SS.
by xanthan on Aug 4, 2008 4:09 PM PDT 0 recs
no, dude. there's a plan.
didn’t you get the memo?
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by delorean on
Aug 4, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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Brian Sabean’s plan is to drink 100 beers. Exactly 100.
by xanthan on
Aug 4, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on
Aug 4, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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Pshaw..
Stupid beer counts in drinking, back in the day GMs would drink way more than that and be fine.
by chilibean_3 on
Aug 4, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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Krukow mentioned this the other day – that there’s no reason a GM can’t drink 125 beers per outing and still have a good career.
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 4, 2008 5:12 PM PDT
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I don’t know, if you look back at Ken “The Hawk” Harrelson’s GM career he really burned himself out with heavy beer counts early on. Obviously one case does not make a trend, but it should serve as a cautionary tale against heavy drinking loads early in a GM’s career
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 4, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
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would this explain Dave Littlefield as well?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on
Aug 5, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
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Ishikawa, prospect or not?
It is interesting, if you check out Baseball America’s Daily Dish today, MadBum and Alderson are both Prospect of the Day in their respective leagues (which really isn’t that interesting because they are pretty much every time they start) but Ishikawa gets no mention at all in the PCL write up which indicates to me that they don’t consider him a prospect anymore. On the one hand, it’s understandable given that he was repeating AA this year and seemed to have completely stalled out, but on the other hand, I think it is a tad harsh considering he is only 24 (25 next month) and this is his first go round in AAA. Personally I wouldn’t relegate him to non-prospect status yet, but it is an interesting philosophical debate.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 4, 2008 4:14 PM PDT 0 recs
I think he’s on the edge, but his season this year over AA and AAA has made him a prospect again in my opinion. Especially in a Giants system that has hardly any hitters in the upper levels. I got a Ishi question in a BP chat a few weeks ago and KG, whom I generally really like, had questions about Ishi’s power.
by xanthan on
Aug 4, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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What’s interesting to me is that Fresno, which I thought was a hitters park, hasn’t played that way over the last four years apparently.
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by marcello on
Aug 4, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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New stadium is much more neutral than the old one
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on
Aug 5, 2008 6:18 AM PDT
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When
is Mad-Bum going to get promoted??
He obviously has mastered low-A
waiting for 2011....
by Osama91w9 on Aug 4, 2008 4:28 PM PDT 0 recs
don’t think the Giants are in a rush to promote him
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 4, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
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Bobby Evans addressed this a couple weeks ago
He said the only promotion they might give him this year is for SJ playoffs. The goal for this year is to just let Bumgarner get some pro innings under his belt. They’ll probably rush him a little more next year if he dominates SJ.
by superk1ng on
Aug 4, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
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that’s the opposite of the typical Giants strategy—demote a coupla ringers from AAA for the high-A playoffs. :-D
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by delorean on
Aug 4, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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Typical? The only example I can recall of this is Frandsen, and that happened after someone else was injured and apparently Frandsen lobbied fairly hard for the opportunity to play in the Cal League playoffs.
by steve S on
Aug 5, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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i thought they had done it with Lewis as well
But it’s very possible that I’m misremembering. Maybe it was other PCL teams complaining about ringers playing for the Grizzlies in the playoffs?
Anyway.
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by delorean on
Aug 5, 2008 4:39 PM PDT
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They sent Matos back to Augusta for the 2006 playoffs...
...after he’d gotten a late season promotion to Connecticut. Then he spent most of 2007 at CT and they sent him down to Augusta for the playoff run, and then to SJ for the postseason.
They did do it with Lewis also, but it was a rehab assignment coming off the DL.
The All-Father is now a Giant!
by EliminateMe on
Aug 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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It was Lewis. Went to the San Jose vs Lake Elsinore Cal League Championship game 1 and Lake Elsinore rode the Giants and Lewis the whole game.
by wilriv21 on
Aug 5, 2008 7:25 PM PDT
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Thank you!
I’m not crazy!
Or am I??
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by delorean on
Aug 5, 2008 9:59 PM PDT
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The kid has pitched 116 innings this season would the Giants chance Bumgarner pitching another 25 innings for Augusta and then possibly 12-20 additional innings for San Jose if the team makes the playoffs?
by wilriv21 on
Aug 4, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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Augusta is leading the division in the second-half standings. If they can hold on and win the second half they’re in the playoffs. Don’t they keep Mad Bum in the mix if that happens?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 4, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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yes, Evans said on that same show that they were still hoping that Augusta makes the playoffs in the Sally League and that he would pitch for them of course if they do.
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 4, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
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Mitch Lively
This kid is an interesting story. Recently hit 97mph on the gun.
by wilriv21 on Aug 4, 2008 4:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Cool story
I can’t totally understand why the Rockies would give up so quickly on a guy they just drafted but whatever.
by slcgiant on
Aug 4, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
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Broshuis
You gotta root for him because his blog at Sporting News is such a fun read, but doesn’t it seem like he’s gone from totally snake bit last year to quite lucky this year on the W-L side without doing anything to really become a much better prospect? The blog on his reaction to Begg’s release and the one on pitching to Big Papi were both great. It seems like Joe Martinez has replaced him as the guy on the Ct. staff whose performance is much better than his record. I don’t see Martinez as likely to end up in SF, but at least he seems plausible at the end of the Fresno staff next year.
by NearestNorwich on Aug 4, 2008 8:27 PM PDT 0 recs
ISHIKAWA
I’d like to see the Giants bring up Ish, move Bowker to right and sit Winn … and just see what happens over the course of the last 50 games. I’ll bet, though, that Ish doesn’t come up until September … along with Nate, McClain, Denker, Munter, Hennessey, Misch and Yabu. Sandoval, Rohlinger and Cowart from AA. That’s a lot of players, but could happen
by grizzled on Aug 4, 2008 10:26 PM PDT 0 recs
My understanding of Bowker’s tools is that he is strictly a LF (which is why 1B was such a reasonable option). And I would think that AT&T’s particular dimensions in RF would only exaggerate his deficiencies.
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by Lyle on
Aug 5, 2008 7:17 AM PDT
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freddie to right
bowker to left.. i think freddie could handle it. he wouldnt be as good as winn, but better than bowk
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by Azmanz on
Aug 5, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
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Bowker to the left of me Freddy to the right here I am stuck in the middle with you…
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 5, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
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Stuck in the middle
With Winn.
Angel Villalona: Waiting for fastballs since '07.
by AngelintheInfield on
Aug 5, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
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you complete me
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 5, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
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Broshuis
Nearest N…...
You are right on about the Def pitching. Joey M is the only reliable starter. I don’t want to trash GB, so I’ll only say that IMO he pitched much better last year in spite of the W/L record. I thought he would dominate this year, but it hasn’t happened.
by thehondohurricane on Aug 5, 2008 6:15 AM PDT 0 recs
Also for anyone who wanted to know Foppert’s status, Steve Decker Rated Rookie I know for sure wanted to know: Foppert is hurt again and wasn’t with the Grizzlies on Sunday.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 5, 2008 7:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Argh.
He was really (for me) the Tim Lincecum before there was a Tim Lincecum. I sure am sad that his career has been derailed by injuries. Would have been great for a local product to end up being the Giants’ ace.
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by camwoody on
Aug 5, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
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Yeah, it was really disappointing to miss Foppert Sunday. I wanted to discuss what he was going through with the injuries and flip-flopping between organizations.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
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