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TV Station: Gillaspie Signs

A television station out of Kansas is reporting that Conor Gillaspie signed with the Giants and is on his way to Arizona. Supposedly, he's going to get slot for the No. 37 pick, which is surprising to me 'cause I thought he'd get more.

Also, Andy Baggarly recently reported that the Giants are in the "finishing" stages of negotiations with the top four picks.

I suspect Gillaspie's deal will be a 2009 contract and that he won't play in games this year.

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When’s the deadline?

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Aug 4, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aug 15

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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, great news!

that is interesting if he signed for slot, I read somewhere that some teams were saying his bonus demands were “delusional.”

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eeeexcellent

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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness we finally got one of them.

by rotorueter on Aug 4, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The story makes it sounds like he may actually play this year in rookie ball, at second and third. That part about it being a 2009 contract was just my conjecture.

by Dan from NM on Aug 4, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to see one of the top four finally putting name to paper! Regardless of whether it makes sense or not, it’s been hard not to get nervous, seeing none of them signed and the deadline approaching.

by jcb9 on Aug 4, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woot

Hey Sabes call the kid up now. Whats the worst that could happen?
/ducks
/feeds ducks bread

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by camwoody on Aug 4, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FIRST!!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 4, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Aug 4, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SCOUTING DEPARTMENT! \o/

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 4, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hasn’t played an inning. Might that be a little premature?

Adoptive father of howtheyscored. The beatings will begin momentarily.

by Goofus on Aug 5, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Half of that’s what she said!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 5, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But why would she say “hasn’t played an inning” ? That doesn’t make sense.

by kaliber on Aug 5, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had to be there.

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by Natto on Aug 5, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe she said “Hasn’t an might be little”.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Aug 5, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, she said “CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SCOUTING DEPARTMENT! \o/”

You should pay closer attention.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Aug 5, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m confused.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Aug 5, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, won’t congratulations be due if he turns out to be a good professional player?

Adoptive father of howtheyscored. The beatings will begin momentarily.

by Goofus on Aug 5, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great news!

Not only is it great to have Conor in fold, if he truly signed for slot, it would appear that the change where teams get to retain their high draft pick the following season is giving them more equal leverage in negotiations.

It will be interesting to see if the Giants have Conor playing at least some second base. He is said to have the athleticism to switch there. And the Giants are saying that AnVil’s switch to first base may not be permanent.

Is it reasonable that Conor might develop quickly enough to be in SF sometime in 2010? Given that he outhit Buster Posey with the wood bat in the Cape Cod League and was in fact the league MVP, is it reasonable to think he might get to the majors as quickly or nearly as quickly as Buster?

by sharksrog on Aug 4, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck reasonable. I want the Koolaid!!!

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Aug 4, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also I believe this is where I do the I Told You So dance. :)

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know I might be totally off base on this

but the way I read that rule, I don’t think they would receive compensation for Gillaspie’s pick if they failed to sign him. It’s pretty specific about everything, and it pretty specifically does not mention compensation for the supplemental compensation rounds (though they are mentioned elsehwere, as for instance team’s failing to sign a 3rd round pick would get a compensation pick in a supplemental round between the 3rd and 4th rounds). I think that, being a compensatory pick already (for a lost free agent), there is no compensation gained if a team fails to sign the player (just as there would be no compensation if the team failed to sign next year’s compensatory pick for failing to sign this year’s draft pick).

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Aug 4, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Supplemental round is considered part of the first round

Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...

by tedfordfan on Aug 5, 2008 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Officially?

MLB never ever lists supplemental 1st rounders in it’s list of 1st round picks, nor does it refer to them as first round picks. On the MLB website draft tracker the Supplemental Round is listed separately in the Round List (one of the search tools) between the first and second round and separate from each. I’m just saying, is all.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Aug 5, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure officially...

...but BA always calls it the supplemental first round when discussing:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/263869.html

So I always assumed it was part of the first round and subject to the same rules governing the first round.

Also, supplemental picks are usually referred to as first rounders (Joba Chamberlain & David Wright come to mind as examples).

Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...

by tedfordfan on Aug 5, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES COME ON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 2:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Listening to that in the background while I read this thread is making me happy!

That should just be played on a loop on this site when we win.

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by camwoody on Aug 4, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t the A’s play that after they win? I’ll stick with “I Left My Heart in SF”.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they do …
[play Celebration at the coliseum after an A’s win]

by Merope on Aug 4, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, whenever I hear that song I feel like I’m back at an A’s game watching Dennis Eckersley slap Terry Steinbach’s hand before turning to Lansford, McGuire, et al.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 6, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, it should be a midi version.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants have also signed 23rd round pick Jason Jarvis.

Jarvis has been playing in the indy leagues since his problems with ASU. The bonus was not disclosed. It is expected Jarvis will head to Salem-Keizer.

SFDugout.com is BACK! See the Top 50 Giants Prospects!

by BruteSentiment on Aug 4, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tally ho!

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

^^^ 'shopped

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 4, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t wait for the Vision movie to come out when they run out of superheroes.

by Grant on Aug 4, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ant-Man movie is already pushing it.

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACEâ„¢ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Aug 4, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least that’s going to be directed by Edgar Wright, which makes it instant awesome.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think Simon Pegg will play Henry Pym?

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACEâ„¢ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Aug 4, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since they’re planning on an Avengers movie, I count on it.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And DC is trying really hard to get Justice League back on. Which seems like a big recipe for FAIL to me… but what do I know?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 4, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, U.S. Agent & Beta Ray Bill flicks!!!!

If the next Fantastic Four movie REALLY wants to rule, the subtitle should just be “The Fall of Jessica Alba’s Panties”. That way no one cares about the plot, the special effects or the overacting. It’s about the one thing promised in the one sheets and ads. And if it doesn’t deliver, it’ll be murdered online for infinity billion years…kind of like Mike Myers’ career right now.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Aug 4, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“The Fall of Jessica Alba’s Panties”

I don’t want to spoil anything, but I hear it has a twist ending.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 5, 2008 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, they already have a black Nick Fury for the movies. Why not?

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 4, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black is the new French?

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on Aug 5, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good news. I wonder what the other incentives are? Now let us get the other top draft picks signed along with some of the lower picks. It would be great if we could entice one or two of the high schoolers we drafted in the latter rounds to also sign, but not likely.

by APGiantsFan on Aug 4, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a win/win
  • SF gets the player at slot
  • Dizzy gets a 2008 contract even though Sabean mentioned any player signing after ASG would be signed to 2009 contract

by wilriv21 on Aug 4, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

Sabes saying one thing and doing another? No way!

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 4, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least....

It’s with a promising prospect and not a free agent wearing a Michael Tucker mask.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Aug 4, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neato!

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Aug 4, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, can anyone tell me...

What “Getting a player @ slot” means?

Also, anyone going Sat. Night vs. the Bums?

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on Aug 4, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot of slots in Vegas

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

slots?

oh slots, with an o.

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 5, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

n Pittsburgh, Rob Biertempfel wrote the draft’s slot system, which “assigns a suggested” bonus amount for each pick, “like the draft itself, exists to save teams money.” It has “little to do with competitive balance,” and because the slot figure is “merely a suggestion, not a mandate, the system’s legality has never been challenged.”

MLB simply recommends a bonus for each selection

by wilriv21 on Aug 4, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope this is true. Gillaspie needs to get on that fast track. I think he could be our Utley. Yes, yes he supposedly doesn’t project to have that much power, but neither did Utley. And Utley’s numbers are inflated in that bandbox anyway. Gillaspie has a great compact, quick swing with really quick wrists and hands. He’s going to be a .300 hitter. I can’t wait to see him in action.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 4, 2008 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefull he and Posey start next year at SJ

Wow, next year we might see Villalona, Noonan, Posey, Bumgarner and Gillaspie all at SJ. I CANT WAIT!!!

by superk1ng on Aug 4, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

brb

gotta change my pants

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 4, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I picked the right year to move to the South Bay!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, it’s never the right year to live in Sacramento…

by chilibean_3 on Aug 4, 2008 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you like indian food

that’s what you’re getting!

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 7, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

F that, gimme the Vietnamese food in San Jose!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 7, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009 season tickets at Muni Stadium

I can haz ‘Nuff said?

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACEâ„¢ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Aug 5, 2008 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF Gillaspie goes to 2nd...

How do we feel about Nick Noonan? Granted, he’s a couple of years younger than Conor; I wonder if the brain trust would consider switching Nick back to SS, given the brilliance that is embodied in Charles Culberson?

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on Aug 4, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its a good problem to have, depth that is. I think Gillaspie will stay at 3rd and possibly could get some action at 2nd in the upper minors, assuming that he moves faster than Noonan. Should be noted that Utley played some 3rd base in addition to 2nd in the minors. I think the two compare pretty well.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 4, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t Noonan switch to 3rd or possibly the OF if Gillaspie is moved to 2nd? He is a highly athletic player and has a good bat, plenty of speed and a decent arm. I’d rather have this situation than what the Padres have with Khalil Greene, who pigeon-holed himself with good defense, is always a tease offensively and is now unmovable until he becomes a FA. The Padres don’t have a suitable replacement in sight and makes our SS quandary looks almost suitable.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Aug 4, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehhh

Utley his 22 HR’s his junior year

Gillaspie hit 24 HR’s in his entire 3 years at Wichita State

However I really do like Gillaspie but i think he will be more of a .330/.400/.450 guy than Utley who was around .330/.400/.560 last year

waiting for 2011....

by Osama91w9 on Aug 4, 2008 6:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really shouldn’t use compare guys college stats. Seems pretty unreliable.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 4, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

I Hate Baron Davis

by Tchli on Aug 4, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Henry Schulman says the deal isn’t official.

by Dan from NM on Aug 4, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Schulman is so stealing content from McC.

by mxmob33 on Aug 4, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080804&content_id=3253591&vkey=news_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf

The Wichita report said Gillaspie flew to Arizona on Monday morning - presumably to the Giants’ Minor League complex - to sign his deal.

“As you get into the last 10 days [before the deadline], little rumors like that creep up,” Evans said. “We’re working hard to sign everybody now, but nothing with Gillaspie is done.”

Per club protocol, Evans wouldn’t discuss the details surrounding negotiations with any of the top picks. The Giants won’t publicly discuss the signing process because “details about one situation could bother kids who are dealing with a different situation.”

by KCE on Aug 4, 2008 11:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s agreed to terms, but it’s probably above slot, so MLB doesn’t want the Giants to announce the deal.

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Aug 5, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Argh!

What’s all this 2nd base talk? Don’t we have a ton of 2Bs and a black hole at 3B since AV moved to 1B? I want Gillespie at 3B until he proves he can’t hang. I want my “Bill Mueller – 21st Century Edition” fantasy to play out.

Adoptive father of howtheyscored. The beatings will begin momentarily.

by Goofus on Aug 5, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

musical chairs with the IF is full of suck

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 5, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 5, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think the headline was intentionally verbless?

Giants sandwich pick Conor Gillaspie

I have to believe they meant to drop a “sign” in there somewhere.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never used it as anything else.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what kind of sandwich?

A delicious one?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

italian sub, mm mmm

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 7, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

foot long yum rocket?

by chilibean_3 on Aug 7, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can be

but it isn’t here, I don’t think. it’s an adjective modifying “pick.”

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 6, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I’ll sandwich myself between any two women

Adoptive father of howtheyscored. The beatings will begin momentarily.

by Goofus on Aug 7, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/makes a The View joke

by xanthan on Aug 7, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any Two?

That’s brave… you might not come out.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it meant a Giant sandwich picked Gillaspie.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 6, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love this parsing

if only we had subject-verb number agreement!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Aug 6, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s actually a direct quote from the Sandwich. He talks like a caveman.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 7, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m just a caveman. Your world frightens me.

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's more likely to mean

that the Giants’ sandwich picked him. They forgot the apostraphy.

Only 863 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Aug 7, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pickled Gillaspie on a giant sandwich?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 7, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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