posey or weiters?

by sugarandspice on Aug 3, 2008 11:04 PM PDT

As you know in 2007 and 2008 both #5 picks in the amateur draft were catchers. I just wanted to know your guys' thoughts on what catcher you think will be a better major leaguer. Matt Wieters of the Orioles organization or Buster Posey who is currently in draft limbo. BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER BUSTER

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Hard to know

I think it is hard to know whether Buster Posey or Matt Weiters will turn out better, but the consensus seems to be Matt.

by sharksrog on Aug 3, 2008 11:10 PM PDT 0 recs

i hear weiters

will hit the crap out of the ball.. but posey seems to be the more developed catcher, defensively

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by Azmanz on Aug 3, 2008 11:10 PM PDT 0 recs

Matt Wieters might be the best prospect in baseball at the moment (certainly the best or second best position player prospect.) Posey is certainly good but he can’t be put at anywhere near that level at this point.

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by jponry on Aug 3, 2008 11:13 PM PDT 0 recs

but can he play cf?

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by BrianBokake on Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

Actually, given Posey’s all-around athleticism, I’ll bet he could.

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by Goofus on Aug 4, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up 0 recs

this

Weiters has all of posey’s skills, but with more power and an even better arm.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 4, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'm not sure Weiters has ALL of Posey's skills

I think most people see Posey as significantly better defensively (but other than that I agree).

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 4, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think people are just concerned about his size. BA says he’s got great footwork, good receiving and plus-plus arm strength. “The best defensive catcher he had seen since Charles Johnson”.

He hit 96 as a closer at G Tech so I think he may have been a better pitcher than posey too.

Matt Weiters is all sorts of good.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 4, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

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by Natto on Aug 3, 2008 11:14 PM PDT 0 recs

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by groug on Aug 3, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up 0 recs

Oh, come on!

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by Natto on Aug 3, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

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by SoFa King Mike on Aug 3, 2008 11:19 PM PDT 0 recs

Damn you beat me to it.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 4, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

Wieters easily

He’s just fine defensively, and he can flat out mash at the plate.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 4, 2008 1:58 AM PDT 0 recs

Wieters by a long shot

And perhaps literally so. Now if we had chosen Justin Smoak, that might have been an interesting comparison….

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by Lyle on Aug 4, 2008 6:14 AM PDT 0 recs

Not even close. Wieters would still win by a long shot.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 4, 2008 7:38 AM PDT 0 recs

Wieters, no doubt about it.

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by Anticon23 on Aug 4, 2008 7:40 AM PDT 0 recs

Wieters easily. Total masher. The only question about his C ability is whether he’s too tall to stay there long term (similar to concerns re: Joe Mauer). But his bat would play anywhere.

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by Roger on Aug 4, 2008 7:59 AM PDT 0 recs

Wieters is better, but there’s no shame in that given that he’s just about the best prospect in baseball and Posey hasn’t played a professional game yet.

by Dan from NM on Aug 4, 2008 8:14 AM PDT 0 recs

I’m going to say Posey, becausse the question was what CATCHER will be the better major leaguer. I just don’t see Matt being able to stay behind the plate with a full MLB season grind- too much wear and tear.

by ProspectHound of the Baskervilles on Aug 4, 2008 8:14 AM PDT 0 recs

Wieters is doing great in the pros, so I guess he’s a better prospect, but their college numbers are pretty damn close.

Wieters: .359/.484/.594, 35 hr, 152w/108k, 6 for 6 stealing bases
Posey: .398/.493/.626, 33 hr, 127w/101k, 18 for 25 stealing bases

Posey’s the better pitcher, for whatever that’s worth …

by Evan on Aug 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT 0 recs

Yea, it’s not really a fair comparison with Buster yet to take a pro AB.

But I think Posey has to be considered the better prospect coming out of college. I mean, his senior season (in the same conference as Wieters) was just ridiculous (1.445 OPS). Plus he’s projected to stay at catcher and be good there.

by mxmob33 on Aug 4, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

(edit)

I meant junior season, where Posey put up this line .463/ .566/ .879. That’s crazy even with aluminum bats.

by mxmob33 on Aug 4, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

We all have a tendency when we see a line like that to think “fluke!”—especially in light of his first two college seasons, which weren’t especially impressive. But if you disregard the season-by-season ups and downs (which are quite possibly just random fluctuation) and consider a player’s entire college career to be one 850-plate-appearance sample, as above, then Posey looks as good as anyone.

So yeah, I’ve convinced myself that he’s a better prospect than Wieters was this time last year.

by Evan on Aug 4, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

The only issue with lumping it all together is that we’re evaluating a period in which players are developing fairly rapidly, both physically and mentally. So his freshman season stats are not nearly as relevant as his junior season.

And with a stat line like that, there almost has to be some flukiness. But you could .200 points from his OPS and he’d still be coming out of his junior season more impressive than Wieters did.

by mxmob33 on Aug 4, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

this is a silly comparison

but this is far less annoying than your first Fanpost, so I give you credit for that.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 AM PDT 0 recs

Just Curious

Why is this a silly comparison?

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Aug 4, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

because Weiters has torn up 2 different levels of professional baseball and has established himself as the consensus top hitting prospect in baseball, whereas Posey is yet to play a professional game. It would be kind of like saying “let’s compare Derrick Rose to Chris Paul,” it is just not a fair, or even worthwhile, comparison.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 4, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Rose vs. Paul

Well, I understand the analogy. Paul is entering his 4th year though. Plus, I’ve read comparisons between Rose and D. Wade and Jason Kidd. Although usually BS, sportswriters still take the time to make comparisons because fans can easily comprehend them. I think the comparison between Posey and Weiters is a bit more relevant because they were drafted in back-to-back years, play the same position, and were selected as the same overall picks.

Comparing their college statistics may help to project Posey’s future. Maybe not. I don’t think the comparison is useless though, mildly though-provoking I’d say.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Aug 4, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

Offensively Wieters, defensively Posey

It just needs to be measured how many runs each save with their defense vs their offense.

My guess is Wieters is better

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by NeifiChicken on Aug 4, 2008 10:30 AM PDT 0 recs

baserunning

Posey obviously has the edge, but by how many runs is the question

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by NeifiChicken on Aug 4, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

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by camwoody on Aug 4, 2008 11:49 AM PDT 0 recs

Pablo Sandoval

not really, Wieters is better, and Pablo might not stick at catcher either, but his numbers are comparable this season, though slightly less impressive than Wieters and Sandoval is 3 months younger.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 4, 2008 12:59 PM PDT 0 recs

How about signing the guy first?

If Gerald requires a $12M+ bonus, then by the logic of pure sticker-shock, the guy better be the #1 prospect in all of baseball after three weeks of the Arizona Summer League. Of course, I’m pretty sure that if he requires that much, the Giants will have an extra first round selection next year…

by Rusty the Robot on Aug 4, 2008 1:26 PM PDT 0 recs

Per Andrew Baggarly:

• The Giants’ top four draft picks remain unsigned 12 days before the Aug. 15 deadline, at which time the club would lose their rights. Scouting director John Barr described talks as in the “finishing” stages.

by wilriv21 on Aug 4, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

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by howtheyscored on Aug 4, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

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by nvsfg on Aug 4, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up 0 recs

LOL you guys are dorks.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 5, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

Third base

I heard the Giants were seriously considering switching Buster Posey to third base—until they read The McCovey Chronicles and learned that third base belongs to Nate Schierholtz.

by sharksrog on Aug 4, 2008 2:12 PM PDT 0 recs

This joke has finally jumped the sharksrog.

by Evan on Aug 4, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up 0 recs