How do you really feel?

It was a great game and I think Bochy made the right move leaving him in. Maybe you are a big Tyler Walker fan but I would rather see timmy’s arm fall off than to see that fat cow blow another game.

CY YOUNG!!!

And sorry, I know this probably shouldn’t be a fan post but just needed to vent and the post game thread wasn’t up.

I’m not really freaking out over this. I’m not entirely happy with the decision, but unless it becomes a regular occurrence, in which case… yeah, I won’t be pleased.

In any case, it should have been Wilson he was warming up to start the inning and he should have brought him immediately after Tim gave up the first baserunner.

I’m all for Jenkins jumping off a bridge. Hopefully someone will chain Boras too him as he does so. I don’t wish for Boch to make the jump, as I think he is a good manager, who is not in the right situation—he needs competing vets.

However, I didn’t really mind the rain delay game that much. Lincecum’s freakishness does come in to play there: no ice ever and seems fine (loose, etc.) The issue with starting and stopping that makes most pitchers stop after a delay is that they tighten up, and thus starting again can be very dangerous. Lincecum doesn’t really tighten up, and wanted to go out there. The rule has exceptions and lincecum’s case satisfies the criteria for it.

Lincecum needs to man up and pitch until his arm falls off, you know, like a hundred years ago.

Lincecum’s motion means he’s not subject to the normal pitch count rules?

Guess a lot of people would just have to STFU huh?

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read. Do you really think Bochy picked up the Chronicle the other day and thought to himself “Geez, I really should listen to Bruce Jenkins and start running up my pitcher’s pitch count”? If you are upset, that’s fine, to each their own, but to assume a writer had something to do with Bochy’s thought process is absolutely insane.

Is anybody else just disturbed by the fact that it now appears that Bruce Jenkins and Ralph Barbieri’s opinions have an effect on the day-to-day management of the Giants?

If the Giants were making these decisions based on analysis or a top-notch medical consultant, then I would feel differently. But Bochy appears to be influenced by a dull-witted, cliche-spouting sportswriter and an emotionally unhinged drivetime radio host. Not a good process.

I love these in-skirmishes among Giants fans. Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912? Die, heretic!

all this arguing over one game! i don’t think this will really matter much at all in the end. after one or two more starts, Timmy’s workload will probably be strictly limited, with the extra pitchers who will be available to bolster the bullpen. the only factor that might prevent this lightened workload is his contention for the Cy. if that wasn’t a factor, they might shut him down completely in september

You know what would protect Lincecum the most? Not pitching him at all. C’mon, these freakouts over pitch counts are getting old fast. Nobody knows how many is too many. I sure as hell don’t. The only “safe” move is not to pitch him at all.

I don’t really have a thought on whether 130 is too much or 100 is not enough. He came closest to injury this year by getting hit with a liner and by slipping off the mound, so I’m just still praying for good luck for the kid in general. I’m glad to see him lasting longer into games, which I think was a bigger problem early on in the year (too many pitches too early in the game).

My concern is: I can read the paper too. Does that mean I’m now qualified to be the pitching coach/manager? Do Jenkins and Ralph really have that much pull? Did Bochy just win a free subscription to the Comical? These are the interesting questions in this exciting discussion.

This was showing up on the SB Nation website, and I had a request to family up the title. That’s why there was a change, in case you were wondering.

apparently, there’s a pitcher abuse stat. I did not know this. Here is the page the fjm article linked to.
Check out cain and lincecum. uh oh

How big a jackass is Ralph Barbieri? Prior to the last couple of weeks I was just mildly annoyed by him. But, wow, has he taken it up a notch.

I already knew about his penchant for never giving certain things a rest. But this whole July 26th game thing has taken that to new levels. I already knew that he liked to pat himself on the back at times. But today was absolutely unbearable.

He was talking about how he hates it when talk show hosts act like they influence people and the front office. But then he goes on to talk about how he’s done just that a couple of times. His examples were 1) their riding of Jeff Kent, which apparently influenced people to boo him 2) their riding of Armando Benitez, which apparently influenced people to hate him and 3) their railing against pitch counts. All three are ridiculous.

1) Does he honestly believe that people weren’t going to boo Jeff Kent? He was kind of jerk when he was here. When he left he took some shots at the organization. When he left he said he wanted to join the team with the best chance at winning a world series (The Asstros…huh?). Then he became a Dodger after talking about how great it was to be “home” in Texas.

2) Does he honestly believe fans needed prodding to hate Benitez? He was acting like their talking about how Benitez struggled in big games and stuff was some sort of novel revelation.

3) Isn’t a little early to be declaring anything about this topic considering they just barely talked about it?

I already knew he had no problem criticizing fellow members of the media on air (as if he [Mr. Incredibly Long and Self-Congratulating Questions] is above reproach). But in the last week I have heard him smugly criticize Joe Starky, Amy Guittierez, Dave Fleming and Mike Krukow. I realize that many of us have criticized Amy G and rightly so. But it’s incredibly unflattering for him to be doing so on the air. The criticism of Dave and Mike was especially galling because he implied that they were just a couple of guys who toed the company line and they were so stupid they didn’t even know what the company line was.

Does he really think that the reason they disagreed about the pitch count thing was because they were just toeing the company line? He kept talking about how there was no mention of the pitch count on the wrap last night. Hmm. Maybe that’s because it was a freakin’ awesome game that the Giants won?

Okay. Yeah. So this was semi-off-topic and long. Sorry. But I just wanted to rant because it’s freakin’ hot and I had to listen to them because my truck only has a radio and I didn’t feel like listening to music or politics.

as in all workings of the universe, the one known as Jon Miller arose and calmed the waters with humor and grace, disproving Barbieri’s point without him even realizing it.

While the Giants have been rode the shit out of their young pitching this year, they haven’t done so with the intentions of “making the wild card.” This is a classic Sabean-Magowan front office effort to court back wayward and disgruntled fans, and impress the yet faithful. The Giants continually look at a running a ML baseball team as it were some sort of Roman spectator sport in which we, the fans, would lose interest (and they, dollars) should they not come up with a charismatic figure to replace the destroyer-of-worlds that Barry Bonds was (enter Zito). This seems rather stupid until you read all these posts where people are going absolutely apeshit over Lincecum “finishing his starts” and “being a man”. Baseball should be beyond mere entertainment; this isn’t the UFC after all. The Giants have oportunity to build a modern dynasty around this once-in-a-decade core of young pitchers. That isn’t hyperbole; that’s fact. Instead, Tim’s being treated like a circus bear and it’s starting to make us all a little sick.

Now, that being said, he can handle it. Every article I’ve ever read on Tim that deals with his mechanics, states unequivocably that for a man of his size and ability, he might be one of the most durable pitchers today. I look forward to a time when the Giants do not suck balls, when the Giants have a WORLD SERIES calibre team. In such a time, Lincecum will be asked to finish epic games. In such a time, his late game heroics will become legendary. In such a time, Cy Young Awards will fall upon him like soft kisses of November rain. He will be the cornerstone of a historic championship team.

If, however, something goes wrong and he is over-worked into injury—none of that is possible.

It doesn’t hurt to be careful. Delay immediate gratification for long term satisfaction.